| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Friday, December 19, 2008 4:08:43 PM | |
|
 one million dollaaaaaaarrrrsss ... I mean 1 billion dollars....
MUAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! LOL |
|
| [Head banger] Friday, December 19, 2008 4:05:35 PM | |
|
raymone?? not raymond. watch pinks, or wrecked, or anything on the food network
must go see if I can get the vista computer working. POS. has a virus now and wont go. pass the hammer.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:58:35 PM)| |  | guidogodoy wrote: | | Irrespective of your ignorance of "Cabeza de Vaca" and thinking that me naming Tyrone "Persh" (reference to General "Blackjack" Pershing intercontintenal ballistic missile.....lame ass who couldn't catch Pancho Villa in the Punitive Expedition) would have saved your equally lame argument, you even admit to watching King of Queens?!? What a sad, sad life you must lead. You follow that up with "According to Jim" or "Everybody likes Raymond"? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:44:03 PM)
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:00:48 PM |
|
|
| [Head banger] Friday, December 19, 2008 4:03:04 PM | |
|
I bet he did get woken up at 3 am. negotiate on the toilet? dunno, I personaly have been so busy that my to do list has to include taking a leak, and thats several steps down the list. is 68 million right? I doubt it, but the board of directors decided that. but, yep I bet all his peeps recieved a ton of cash.
Isupose the 68 million makes sense, if the company made a ton of money. could be that he faked it to get the cash, dunno
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 6:19:30 AM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | The Puke from Goldman Sachs with the 68 million dollar bonus...Thats $33,138.40 per hour on a 40 hour work week!! WHERE DO I APPLY!!! I guarantee that that dude did nothing any where near close to a job that earned that kind of money. I will also bet that he WASNT woke up at 3 in the morning everyday or sat on the toilet negotiating this and that. I am in the trucking business, thats what I DO!!! He probably has a fleet of peeps to take care of that for him, ALL paid by Goldman Sachs and I am sure they all received healthy bonuses at the end of the year!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 19, 2008 2:14:41 AM)
| |
|
_strat_ wrote: |
| |
Formula... There is no "formula" that I would know of. If you ask me, all this shit with wages and pensions is bullshit. If one works a decent work, one should be able to live a decent life, end of story.
Earning the position... Good job, if such a position or such an income could actualy be earned. Which it cant be. It can be won in a competition with thousands of others who want to get to the same spot, it can be bought with connections, hell, maybe it can even be inherited over there in the States, for all I know. I fail to see any logic whatsoever in claiming that anyone can earn so much power over the lives of so many people, who cant do anything else but to comply, or get fired. And thats just the problem. That all the power, the control of a corporation, in some cases power to control entire national economies, is concentrated in the hands of the few. Now, I dont care how much they are stressed, how hard they try (even if they did try to do anything else apart from filling their bank accounts), if they fuckup, they fuckup good. Just like they did now. And responsability... Please. They should be held responsible, since they hold such a disproportionate amount of power, but they are not. Just look at whats happening now (at least it is happening here). Over the last few years, we had a wonderfull economic growth. Splendid. All the indexes were up, statistics were looking great, CEOs, politicians, managers were all smiling... And all that time, most of the working class lived in appauling conditions. The unions were staging strikes like crazy, and all they managed to get were a few cents here and there on the minimal wage. In short, when there was money, they wouldnt share it. But now, just before the reccesion, they talk about us "pulling together", working longer for less, and saving what can still be saved. They wouldnt share the good times, no. But when the shit hits the fan, they will pack their suitcases full of stolen money from the years of economic growth, and leave us with the debts that they created in the first place.
Then the opportunity bit... You dont actualy think that they are growing and expanding their businesses out of solidarity with us? That we would get new jobs? Theyre doing it for themselves, and thats it. You think that I would be given an opportunity to get the job I have now, if the company wouldnt be sure that they would be making more money off me than they spend on me? And, of course, do you think that the big fish would let us near their positions, just to give us the opportunity to succed? Thats just plain naive. There is opportunity, sure. But not everyone can be a winner. Basic logic: if there are 5 different people competing for 1 job, 1 of them gets it, the others dont, no matter how hard they try. Not everyone can succed in this system. Infact, only a few can.
Oh, and the equipment part... They wouldnt have food on the table, if there were no people that would buy and use their products. That is called a symbiosis. However, I still stand by the position that the CEOs are parasites.
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
OK, let's address the comments.
First; just how do you propose we "justify" an income? What formula do you feel is "fair" and , if so, why is that fairer than earning the position or whatever system we have now? What makes their income so terrible? Because it is greater than ours?? Is that it? Is that all?
Next; you claim that it is "us" who "put food on their tables". Really? Can the same be said for the person that manufactures the items YOU use on the job? I mean, without them, YOU would not have food on the table, correct? Now, by this logic, YOU are the "elite", no?
Next; we so often hear about all the "bad" things CEOs do. They make countless decisions that affect thousands of lives and, when one or two of them go bad, we are so quick to condemn that whole. Amazing. In most cases, it IS because of these people and their ability that we, the common man, are given the opportunity to succeed. As for education, it is out there for everyone. (At least in the US) NOT every single CEO is a Harvard Business grad. Are there privileged? Certainly. In every country, in all social systems, there are the few. Does not mean that YOU strat could not run a corporation if you so desired. The question then becomes, are you motivated? Do you have ambition? I scoff when I see people going on about how the "little guy" is so abused by the system. Whatever. You can be just about anything you want to be IF you have the drive.
I do not see the Business Leaders of the world as "parasites" They are no worse than you and me. We all rely on each other and I, for one, could NOT dowhat they do. I am not qualified nor do I have that kind of drive. I like my weekends! I like my evenings.
| |
|
_strat_ wrote: |
| |
|
The issue here would be, that even if they work more, it hardly warrants such ridiculously high incomes. Incomes that are made by the entire company, not just that one person that carries his laptop to the toilet.
MM has a valid point. The wages of the beourgeois are really just the tip of the iceberg. With all the incomes that they get, they could have retired at 35 or even before that, and would be much better of than the rest of us, who will have to work until we are old and gray, and get a pension that will barely sustain us.
Than there is the issue of responsability. Yes, they get a lot of shit. BUT they do a lot of shit themselves. As I mentioned earlier, their fuckups are much more serious than ours, and affect all of us. But with the current legislature in most countries, a CEO or a manager that screws something up, will like as not get away with it. And of course their decisions. Outsourcing is a great example. Is outsourcing the jobs somewhere else responsible to the workers that are being outsourced? Yet it is done more and more.
The thing is, that if a bourgeois works 24/7, I dont really care about it. The rest of us still put bread on his table, not the other way around. Even if a person works non-stop all his/her waking hours, its still just one person. Can he/she do more than thousands of others that also provide income for the company, and get a considerably smaller piece of it? Thats impossible.
These people may be visionaries, planners, and whatnot, but the problem is that they are the elite that get to fulfill their visions and dreams. The rest of us cant, because the game forces us to fulfill theirs.
And thats another point: all of us cannot be CEOs and managers. Bourgeoisie is by definition a minority social class. All of us cannot afford the education to get there, all of us wont get the sam opportunities to be at the right plave at the right time, and all of us dont have connections to the elite that would get us there.
All that said... They are parasites. We can do without them. Infact, we were doing quite well without them for decades until the privatisation.
Oh, and mybe we should continue this in the Social issues thread? Just a thought.
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night, everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
|
|
|
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 6:21:53 AM |
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 4:02:04 PM | |
|
Dancing with the Stars...........
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:58:35 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Irrespective of your ignorance of "Cabeza de Vaca" and thinking that me naming Tyrone "Persh" (reference to General "Blackjack" Pershing intercontintenal ballistic missile.....lame ass who couldn't catch Pancho Villa in the Punitive Expedition) would have saved your equally lame argument, you even admit to watching King of Queens?!? What a sad, sad life you must lead. You follow that up with "According to Jim" or "Everybody likes Raymond"? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:44:03 PM)
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:00:48 PM |
|
|
| [guidogodoy] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:58:35 PM | |
|
Irrespective of your ignorance of "Cabeza de Vaca" and thinking that me naming Tyrone "Persh" (reference to General "Blackjack" Pershing intercontintenal ballistic missile.....lame ass who couldn't catch Pancho Villa in the Punitive Expedition) would have saved your equally lame argument, you even admit to watching King of Queens?!? What a sad, sad life you must lead. You follow that up with "According to Jim" or "Everybody likes Raymond"? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:44:03 PM)
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:00:48 PM |
|
| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:58:10 PM | |
|
Point is, they're not paid to try hard. They are paid to produce. Just like anything else. It isn't about how hard you try, it is about results!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:54:40 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | sure, but can they make the one handed diving catch and hold onto the ball. keep holding on after a catch over the middle? you know he got crunched on the middle crossing route, every time. I will try as hard, but hell, I wont catch the ball every time if I am standing still, and its tossed straight to me, and no defense.
| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | The way I look at it is this way. There is always someone sitting out there that can run just as hard as the million dollar wide receiver and would gladly do it for a little less!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I am not arguing that they have help, MM. It would only make sense that they do. But these so-called "schmoes" are most often very gifted business leaders in their own right. AGAIN, they do not get THAT position by "luck" either! And, in the corporate environment, it is absolutely vital that decisions are made via discussion and imput by highly trained professionals. Differing points of view are important when making some of these very big decisions that DO affect tens of thousands of lives and economies! NO doubt.
I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:48:37 AM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:10:09 AM
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:14:33 AM |
|
|
|
|
| [Soylentgreen4u] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:57:59 PM | |
|
|
| [Head banger] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:54:40 PM | |
|
sure, but can they make the one handed diving catch and hold onto the ball. keep holding on after a catch over the middle? you know he got crunched on the middle crossing route, every time. I will try as hard, but hell, I wont catch the ball every time if I am standing still, and its tossed straight to me, and no defense.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 11:08:47 AM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | The way I look at it is this way. There is always someone sitting out there that can run just as hard as the million dollar wide receiver and would gladly do it for a little less!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I am not arguing that they have help, MM. It would only make sense that they do. But these so-called "schmoes" are most often very gifted business leaders in their own right. AGAIN, they do not get THAT position by "luck" either! And, in the corporate environment, it is absolutely vital that decisions are made via discussion and imput by highly trained professionals. Differing points of view are important when making some of these very big decisions that DO affect tens of thousands of lives and economies! NO doubt.
I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:48:37 AM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:10:09 AM
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:14:33 AM |
|
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:54:18 PM | |
|
Good points. Matter of fact, I don't believe there even were "metal detectors" when I was growing up! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I will admit this, we had maybe six black kids in my school. NO lie. As for your comments regarding children from broken homes and welfare, not too sure it is all that wise to suggest that they run a corporation. (Ooo, THAT will rile up guido) HAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:48:53 PM)
| |
|
Head banger wrote: |
| |
not everyone can get the same education. and I agree, it woud take a miracle for a kid raised in inner city detroit to a single mom to become CEO of ford. then again, they might be looking for a new direction.
Sure they have to go thru metal detectors. sucks that so many of their peers think that the way to success lies thru 9mm, not even knowing what mm is (DF thats millimeters, as in 1/1000 of a meter, which is a bit larger than a yard). but, what we need to show them, it that sucess lies not in driving an escalade with 24 inch rims, but being able to aford to raise kids somewhere where the school doesnt have metal detectors, and where they have a chance to get into the good schools. the fact is, a lot of the poor think that sucess lies thru either
a) NBA/NFL
b) being a big name rapper
c) dealing
D) the sights of a 9mm (held sideways like in the movies)
growing up knowing that, or knowing that as a single mom, the easy way to get more welfare is to have another kid, thats what creates the class impression that they cant get ahead. and the way it is, most dont.
as to video games, I grew up with tron and space invaders. man, we must have woried about aliens and computers alot. at least I didnt grow up with pong, that woul have been dull!!!
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
"Education remains available to ALL classes?" Ummm...yeah, I guess but let me just take a wild stab in the dark here. YOU never had to go through a metal detector at the door of your school. Sure, THAT kid who tries hard to do the best he can at home in a single-parent house can be the CEO of some corporation some day. Better yet, can get a UNIVERSITY degree that is not mailed to you! Phoenix Online! Rise from the ashes.
While I give you credit for quoting a personal favorite (but how much "whiter" of an old man can you GET? ) in the immortal Ted Knight, Spaulding, you are off your nut if you think that PDiddy has influence over the young. I guarantee that most don't even know the name nor what he ever sang. Corn Flakes...ha! Did you know that Kellogg's almost went belly up due to labor disputes in Michigan? Union troubles. HAAAAA!!!!!! They almost cut that exact cereal because nobody was buying it nowadays.
Video games reflect society? Nice shot Mrs. Gore but that has been proven nonsense for decades. Half-Life? Hellraiser? Lego Indiana Jones? HAAA!! Sure. They all reflect society (in your mind).
My final note is that you, Sir, are a racist. Mr. Brown for security? Um...why? Communications left to a hispanic? What is next in your widget company? All Asians are accountants? HAAAAA!!!!!! What am I? The guy who climbs the tree to get your coconut milk? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I still stand by my honor of a legend. "I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that hat! Looks good on YOU though!" Hey, I think you would look good in one of those hats come to think of it! BWWWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58:20 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:47:22 PM |
|
|
|
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:55:28 PM |
|
| [Head banger] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:48:53 PM | |
|
not everyone can get the same education. and I agree, it woud take a miracle for a kid raised in inner city detroit to a single mom to become CEO of ford. then again, they might be looking for a new direction.
Sure they have to go thru metal detectors. sucks that so many of their peers think that the way to success lies thru 9mm, not even knowing what mm is (DF thats millimeters, as in 1/1000 of a meter, which is a bit larger than a yard). but, what we need to show them, it that sucess lies not in driving an escalade with 24 inch rims, but being able to aford to raise kids somewhere where the school doesnt have metal detectors, and where they have a chance to get into the good schools. the fact is, a lot of the poor think that sucess lies thru either
a) NBA/NFL
b) being a big name rapper
c) dealing
D) the sights of a 9mm (held sideways like in the movies)
growing up knowing that, or knowing that as a single mom, the easy way to get more welfare is to have another kid, thats what creates the class impression that they cant get ahead. and the way it is, most dont.
as to video games, I grew up with tron and space invaders. man, we must have woried about aliens and computers alot. at least I didnt grow up with pong, that woul have been dull!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:33:40 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "Education remains available to ALL classes?" Ummm...yeah, I guess but let me just take a wild stab in the dark here. YOU never had to go through a metal detector at the door of your school. Sure, THAT kid who tries hard to do the best he can at home in a single-parent house can be the CEO of some corporation some day. Better yet, can get a UNIVERSITY degree that is not mailed to you! Phoenix Online! Rise from the ashes.
While I give you credit for quoting a personal favorite (but how much "whiter" of an old man can you GET? ) in the immortal Ted Knight, Spaulding, you are off your nut if you think that PDiddy has influence over the young. I guarantee that most don't even know the name nor what he ever sang. Corn Flakes...ha! Did you know that Kellogg's almost went belly up due to labor disputes in Michigan? Union troubles. HAAAAA!!!!!! They almost cut that exact cereal because nobody was buying it nowadays.
Video games reflect society? Nice shot Mrs. Gore but that has been proven nonsense for decades. Half-Life? Hellraiser? Lego Indiana Jones? HAAA!! Sure. They all reflect society (in your mind).
My final note is that you, Sir, are a racist. Mr. Brown for security? Um...why? Communications left to a hispanic? What is next in your widget company? All Asians are accountants? HAAAAA!!!!!! What am I? The guy who climbs the tree to get your coconut milk? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I still stand by my honor of a legend. "I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that hat! Looks good on YOU though!" Hey, I think you would look good in one of those hats come to think of it! BWWWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58:20 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:47:22 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:48:04 PM | |
|
Oh jeez! Not you TOO, Soy?!?!?!.......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:46:12 PM)| | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | EXACTLY...C.E.O.'S?....
CLANDESTINE
EGOMANIACAL
OGRES
........TO PUT IT POLITELY.
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | What the Hell has happend to this thread?????????????????? LMAO
CEO's .. HMM I have always noticed that the people at the top dont know what they are doing.. And In every corporation, I have worked for.. I have always had that nagging question.. I wonder how that person got that job???
Because It became very clear to me that they had no idea.. what in the hell was going on...lol or how to supervise people ect.. .. Oh well
Theres my 2 cents before taxes,,, BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
Peace .. Out.... Love..
MG~ |
|
|
|
| [Soylentgreen4u] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:46:12 PM | |
|
EXACTLY...C.E.O.'S?....
CLANDESTINE
EGOMANIACAL
OGRES
........TO PUT IT POLITELY.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Friday, December 19, 2008 2:24:42 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | What the Hell has happend to this thread?????????????????? LMAO
CEO's .. HMM I have always noticed that the people at the top dont know what they are doing.. And In every corporation, I have worked for.. I have always had that nagging question.. I wonder how that person got that job???
Because It became very clear to me that they had no idea.. what in the hell was going on...lol or how to supervise people ect.. .. Oh well
Theres my 2 cents before taxes,,, BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
Peace .. Out.... Love..
MG~ |
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:44:03 PM | |
|
Racist??!?!?!? Where did THAT come from??? Mr. Brown for security because of the BROWNing rifle, maybe??? BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!! And wasn't de Vaca some writer??? I stand vindicated! A pox upon you, tree climber! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did not know that about Corn Flakes! Actually got that line from an episode of King of Queens! HAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!! And, as I bask in the glow of victory I shout, "Hey WHITEY!! Where's your hat??" HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:33:40 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "Education remains available to ALL classes?" Ummm...yeah, I guess but let me just take a wild stab in the dark here. YOU never had to go through a metal detector at the door of your school. Sure, THAT kid who tries hard to do the best he can at home in a single-parent house can be the CEO of some corporation some day. Better yet, can get a UNIVERSITY degree that is not mailed to you! Phoenix Online! Rise from the ashes.
While I give you credit for quoting a personal favorite (but how much "whiter" of an old man can you GET? ) in the immortal Ted Knight, Spaulding, you are off your nut if you think that PDiddy has influence over the young. I guarantee that most don't even know the name nor what he ever sang. Corn Flakes...ha! Did you know that Kellogg's almost went belly up due to labor disputes in Michigan? Union troubles. HAAAAA!!!!!! They almost cut that exact cereal because nobody was buying it nowadays.
Video games reflect society? Nice shot Mrs. Gore but that has been proven nonsense for decades. Half-Life? Hellraiser? Lego Indiana Jones? HAAA!! Sure. They all reflect society (in your mind).
My final note is that you, Sir, are a racist. Mr. Brown for security? Um...why? Communications left to a hispanic? What is next in your widget company? All Asians are accountants? HAAAAA!!!!!! What am I? The guy who climbs the tree to get your coconut milk? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I still stand by my honor of a legend. "I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that hat! Looks good on YOU though!" Hey, I think you would look good in one of those hats come to think of it! BWWWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58:20 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:47:22 PM |
|
|
|
|
|
| [guidogodoy] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:33:40 PM | |
|
"Education remains available to ALL classes?" Ummm...yeah, I guess but let me just take a wild stab in the dark here. YOU never had to go through a metal detector at the door of your school. Sure, THAT kid who tries hard to do the best he can at home in a single-parent house can be the CEO of some corporation some day. Better yet, can get a UNIVERSITY degree that is not mailed to you! Phoenix Online! Rise from the ashes.
While I give you credit for quoting a personal favorite (but how much "whiter" of an old man can you GET? ) in the immortal Ted Knight, Spaulding, you are off your nut if you think that PDiddy has influence over the young. I guarantee that most don't even know the name nor what he ever sang. Corn Flakes...ha! Did you know that Kellogg's almost went belly up due to labor disputes in Michigan? Union troubles. HAAAAA!!!!!! They almost cut that exact cereal because nobody was buying it nowadays.
Video games reflect society? Nice shot Mrs. Gore but that has been proven nonsense for decades. Half-Life? Hellraiser? Lego Indiana Jones? HAAA!! Sure. They all reflect society (in your mind).
My final note is that you, Sir, are a racist. Mr. Brown for security? Um...why? Communications left to a hispanic? What is next in your widget company? All Asians are accountants? HAAAAA!!!!!! What am I? The guy who climbs the tree to get your coconut milk? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I still stand by my honor of a legend. "I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that hat! Looks good on YOU though!" Hey, I think you would look good in one of those hats come to think of it! BWWWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 2:33:18 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58:20 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:47:22 PM |
|
|
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 2:33:18 PM | |
|
Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 1:13:30 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58:20 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:47:22 PM |
|
|
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Friday, December 19, 2008 2:24:42 PM | |
|
What the Hell has happend to this thread?????????????????? LMAO
CEO's .. HMM I have always noticed that the people at the top dont know what they are doing.. And In every corporation, I have worked for.. I have always had that nagging question.. I wonder how that person got that job???
Because It became very clear to me that they had no idea.. what in the hell was going on...lol or how to supervise people ect.. .. Oh well
Theres my 2 cents before taxes,,, BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
Peace .. Out.... Love..
MG~ |
|
| [guidogodoy] Friday, December 19, 2008 1:13:30 PM | |
|
Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:02 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58:20 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:47:22 PM |
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:02 PM | |
|
Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
| |
|
guidogodoy wrote: |
| |
Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58:20 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:47:22 PM |
|
| [METAL MELTDOWN] Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM | |
|
No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 11:53:16 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 11:58:20 AM |
|
|
| [METAL MELTDOWN] Friday, December 19, 2008 11:59:51 AM | |
|
No there ARE people out there who can do it just as good if not better and would gladly do it for less.......
How was the CEO of Goldman Sachs good at his job when he collected 68 million in bonuses and within 8 months his company was at a loss for 2.2 billion!! What he was good at was BULLSHIT!!! People that know how to bullshit will get far in this world!! UNTIL THE GET CAUGHT.....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 11:08:47 AM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | The way I look at it is this way. There is always someone sitting out there that can run just as hard as the million dollar wide receiver and would gladly do it for a little less!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I am not arguing that they have help, MM. It would only make sense that they do. But these so-called "schmoes" are most often very gifted business leaders in their own right. AGAIN, they do not get THAT position by "luck" either! And, in the corporate environment, it is absolutely vital that decisions are made via discussion and imput by highly trained professionals. Differing points of view are important when making some of these very big decisions that DO affect tens of thousands of lives and economies! NO doubt.
I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:48:37 AM)
| |
|
METAL MELTDOWN wrote: |
| |
I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
| |
|
Deep Freeze wrote: |
| |
|
OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:31:21 AM |
|
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:10:09 AM
Edited at: Friday, December 19, 2008 10:14:33 AM |
|
|
|
