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Irrespective of your ignorance of "Cabeza de Vaca" and thinking that me naming Tyrone "Persh" (reference to General "Blackjack" Pershing intercontintenal ballistic missile.....lame ass who couldn't catch Pancho Villa in the Punitive Expedition) would have saved your equally lame argument, you even admit to watching King of Queens?!? What a sad, sad life you must lead. You follow that up with "According to Jim" or "Everybody likes Raymond"? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:44:03 PM)
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Point is, they're not paid to try hard. They are paid to produce. Just like anything else. It isn't about how hard you try, it is about results!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:54:40 PM)| |  | Head banger wrote: | | sure, but can they make the one handed diving catch and hold onto the ball. keep holding on after a catch over the middle? you know he got crunched on the middle crossing route, every time. I will try as hard, but hell, I wont catch the ball every time if I am standing still, and its tossed straight to me, and no defense.
| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | The way I look at it is this way. There is always someone sitting out there that can run just as hard as the million dollar wide receiver and would gladly do it for a little less!!!!
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I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
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I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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sure, but can they make the one handed diving catch and hold onto the ball. keep holding on after a catch over the middle? you know he got crunched on the middle crossing route, every time. I will try as hard, but hell, I wont catch the ball every time if I am standing still, and its tossed straight to me, and no defense.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 11:08:47 AM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | The way I look at it is this way. There is always someone sitting out there that can run just as hard as the million dollar wide receiver and would gladly do it for a little less!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I am not arguing that they have help, MM. It would only make sense that they do. But these so-called "schmoes" are most often very gifted business leaders in their own right. AGAIN, they do not get THAT position by "luck" either! And, in the corporate environment, it is absolutely vital that decisions are made via discussion and imput by highly trained professionals. Differing points of view are important when making some of these very big decisions that DO affect tens of thousands of lives and economies! NO doubt.
I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
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I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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Good points. Matter of fact, I don't believe there even were "metal detectors" when I was growing up! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I will admit this, we had maybe six black kids in my school. NO lie. As for your comments regarding children from broken homes and welfare, not too sure it is all that wise to suggest that they run a corporation. (Ooo, THAT will rile up guido) HAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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not everyone can get the same education. and I agree, it woud take a miracle for a kid raised in inner city detroit to a single mom to become CEO of ford. then again, they might be looking for a new direction.
Sure they have to go thru metal detectors. sucks that so many of their peers think that the way to success lies thru 9mm, not even knowing what mm is (DF thats millimeters, as in 1/1000 of a meter, which is a bit larger than a yard). but, what we need to show them, it that sucess lies not in driving an escalade with 24 inch rims, but being able to aford to raise kids somewhere where the school doesnt have metal detectors, and where they have a chance to get into the good schools. the fact is, a lot of the poor think that sucess lies thru either
a) NBA/NFL
b) being a big name rapper
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D) the sights of a 9mm (held sideways like in the movies)
growing up knowing that, or knowing that as a single mom, the easy way to get more welfare is to have another kid, thats what creates the class impression that they cant get ahead. and the way it is, most dont.
as to video games, I grew up with tron and space invaders. man, we must have woried about aliens and computers alot. at least I didnt grow up with pong, that woul have been dull!!!
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"Education remains available to ALL classes?" Ummm...yeah, I guess but let me just take a wild stab in the dark here. YOU never had to go through a metal detector at the door of your school. Sure, THAT kid who tries hard to do the best he can at home in a single-parent house can be the CEO of some corporation some day. Better yet, can get a UNIVERSITY degree that is not mailed to you! Phoenix Online! Rise from the ashes.
While I give you credit for quoting a personal favorite (but how much "whiter" of an old man can you GET? ) in the immortal Ted Knight, Spaulding, you are off your nut if you think that PDiddy has influence over the young. I guarantee that most don't even know the name nor what he ever sang. Corn Flakes...ha! Did you know that Kellogg's almost went belly up due to labor disputes in Michigan? Union troubles. HAAAAA!!!!!! They almost cut that exact cereal because nobody was buying it nowadays.
Video games reflect society? Nice shot Mrs. Gore but that has been proven nonsense for decades. Half-Life? Hellraiser? Lego Indiana Jones? HAAA!! Sure. They all reflect society (in your mind).
My final note is that you, Sir, are a racist. Mr. Brown for security? Um...why? Communications left to a hispanic? What is next in your widget company? All Asians are accountants? HAAAAA!!!!!! What am I? The guy who climbs the tree to get your coconut milk? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I still stand by my honor of a legend. "I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that hat! Looks good on YOU though!" Hey, I think you would look good in one of those hats come to think of it! BWWWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
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Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
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Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
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Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
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Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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not everyone can get the same education. and I agree, it woud take a miracle for a kid raised in inner city detroit to a single mom to become CEO of ford. then again, they might be looking for a new direction.
Sure they have to go thru metal detectors. sucks that so many of their peers think that the way to success lies thru 9mm, not even knowing what mm is (DF thats millimeters, as in 1/1000 of a meter, which is a bit larger than a yard). but, what we need to show them, it that sucess lies not in driving an escalade with 24 inch rims, but being able to aford to raise kids somewhere where the school doesnt have metal detectors, and where they have a chance to get into the good schools. the fact is, a lot of the poor think that sucess lies thru either
a) NBA/NFL
b) being a big name rapper
c) dealing
D) the sights of a 9mm (held sideways like in the movies)
growing up knowing that, or knowing that as a single mom, the easy way to get more welfare is to have another kid, thats what creates the class impression that they cant get ahead. and the way it is, most dont.
as to video games, I grew up with tron and space invaders. man, we must have woried about aliens and computers alot. at least I didnt grow up with pong, that woul have been dull!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:33:40 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "Education remains available to ALL classes?" Ummm...yeah, I guess but let me just take a wild stab in the dark here. YOU never had to go through a metal detector at the door of your school. Sure, THAT kid who tries hard to do the best he can at home in a single-parent house can be the CEO of some corporation some day. Better yet, can get a UNIVERSITY degree that is not mailed to you! Phoenix Online! Rise from the ashes.
While I give you credit for quoting a personal favorite (but how much "whiter" of an old man can you GET? ) in the immortal Ted Knight, Spaulding, you are off your nut if you think that PDiddy has influence over the young. I guarantee that most don't even know the name nor what he ever sang. Corn Flakes...ha! Did you know that Kellogg's almost went belly up due to labor disputes in Michigan? Union troubles. HAAAAA!!!!!! They almost cut that exact cereal because nobody was buying it nowadays.
Video games reflect society? Nice shot Mrs. Gore but that has been proven nonsense for decades. Half-Life? Hellraiser? Lego Indiana Jones? HAAA!! Sure. They all reflect society (in your mind).
My final note is that you, Sir, are a racist. Mr. Brown for security? Um...why? Communications left to a hispanic? What is next in your widget company? All Asians are accountants? HAAAAA!!!!!! What am I? The guy who climbs the tree to get your coconut milk? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I still stand by my honor of a legend. "I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that hat! Looks good on YOU though!" Hey, I think you would look good in one of those hats come to think of it! BWWWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
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No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
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Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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Oh jeez! Not you TOO, Soy?!?!?!.......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:46:12 PM)| | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | EXACTLY...C.E.O.'S?....
CLANDESTINE
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CEO's .. HMM I have always noticed that the people at the top dont know what they are doing.. And In every corporation, I have worked for.. I have always had that nagging question.. I wonder how that person got that job???
Because It became very clear to me that they had no idea.. what in the hell was going on...lol or how to supervise people ect.. .. Oh well
Theres my 2 cents before taxes,,, BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:46:12 PM | |
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EXACTLY...C.E.O.'S?....
CLANDESTINE
EGOMANIACAL
OGRES
........TO PUT IT POLITELY.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Friday, December 19, 2008 2:24:42 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | What the Hell has happend to this thread?????????????????? LMAO
CEO's .. HMM I have always noticed that the people at the top dont know what they are doing.. And In every corporation, I have worked for.. I have always had that nagging question.. I wonder how that person got that job???
Because It became very clear to me that they had no idea.. what in the hell was going on...lol or how to supervise people ect.. .. Oh well
Theres my 2 cents before taxes,,, BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 3:44:03 PM | |
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Racist??!?!?!? Where did THAT come from??? Mr. Brown for security because of the BROWNing rifle, maybe??? BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!! And wasn't de Vaca some writer??? I stand vindicated! A pox upon you, tree climber! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did not know that about Corn Flakes! Actually got that line from an episode of King of Queens! HAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!! And, as I bask in the glow of victory I shout, "Hey WHITEY!! Where's your hat??" HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 3:33:40 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "Education remains available to ALL classes?" Ummm...yeah, I guess but let me just take a wild stab in the dark here. YOU never had to go through a metal detector at the door of your school. Sure, THAT kid who tries hard to do the best he can at home in a single-parent house can be the CEO of some corporation some day. Better yet, can get a UNIVERSITY degree that is not mailed to you! Phoenix Online! Rise from the ashes.
While I give you credit for quoting a personal favorite (but how much "whiter" of an old man can you GET? ) in the immortal Ted Knight, Spaulding, you are off your nut if you think that PDiddy has influence over the young. I guarantee that most don't even know the name nor what he ever sang. Corn Flakes...ha! Did you know that Kellogg's almost went belly up due to labor disputes in Michigan? Union troubles. HAAAAA!!!!!! They almost cut that exact cereal because nobody was buying it nowadays.
Video games reflect society? Nice shot Mrs. Gore but that has been proven nonsense for decades. Half-Life? Hellraiser? Lego Indiana Jones? HAAA!! Sure. They all reflect society (in your mind).
My final note is that you, Sir, are a racist. Mr. Brown for security? Um...why? Communications left to a hispanic? What is next in your widget company? All Asians are accountants? HAAAAA!!!!!! What am I? The guy who climbs the tree to get your coconut milk? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I still stand by my honor of a legend. "I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that hat! Looks good on YOU though!" Hey, I think you would look good in one of those hats come to think of it! BWWWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
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Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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"Education remains available to ALL classes?" Ummm...yeah, I guess but let me just take a wild stab in the dark here. YOU never had to go through a metal detector at the door of your school. Sure, THAT kid who tries hard to do the best he can at home in a single-parent house can be the CEO of some corporation some day. Better yet, can get a UNIVERSITY degree that is not mailed to you! Phoenix Online! Rise from the ashes.
While I give you credit for quoting a personal favorite (but how much "whiter" of an old man can you GET? ) in the immortal Ted Knight, Spaulding, you are off your nut if you think that PDiddy has influence over the young. I guarantee that most don't even know the name nor what he ever sang. Corn Flakes...ha! Did you know that Kellogg's almost went belly up due to labor disputes in Michigan? Union troubles. HAAAAA!!!!!! They almost cut that exact cereal because nobody was buying it nowadays.
Video games reflect society? Nice shot Mrs. Gore but that has been proven nonsense for decades. Half-Life? Hellraiser? Lego Indiana Jones? HAAA!! Sure. They all reflect society (in your mind).
My final note is that you, Sir, are a racist. Mr. Brown for security? Um...why? Communications left to a hispanic? What is next in your widget company? All Asians are accountants? HAAAAA!!!!!! What am I? The guy who climbs the tree to get your coconut milk? HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
I still stand by my honor of a legend. "I wouldn't be caught dead wearing that hat! Looks good on YOU though!" Hey, I think you would look good in one of those hats come to think of it! BWWWAHAAAHAHAHAAAA!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 2:33:18 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
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No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
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Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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Who you calling old??? And don't give me that downtrodden, discrimmination crap! No one is "side-stepping anything! Class is certainly part of the equation but, if I may, that's life. I mean, in the words of the immortal Ted Knight, " The world needs ditch-diggers, too.." HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And as for your "hypothetical" choices for CEO, I would choose the most qualified. Now, I know that may be a kick in the corn flakes but that is how I see it. We could argue how or why said candidate got to be more qualified if you wish but that is really NOT the point. In fact, I might have Mr. Brown head up Security, Mr. de Vaca handle Written Communications and Mr. Kennedy will deal with Government Relations...how's that?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fact that video games are a reflection of our society is inescapable. That fact that there are the "few" and the "many" was and will be life LONG after you and I have left this earth. The fact the people like Oprah and "Diddy" are influencing our younger genreation and the legions of moronic housewives/husbands with nothing better to do exists. I advocate education because it remains the one constant that WILL improve lives. It WILL. And it remains available to ALL classes.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 1:13:30 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
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No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
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Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Friday, December 19, 2008 2:24:42 PM | |
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What the Hell has happend to this thread?????????????????? LMAO
CEO's .. HMM I have always noticed that the people at the top dont know what they are doing.. And In every corporation, I have worked for.. I have always had that nagging question.. I wonder how that person got that job???
Because It became very clear to me that they had no idea.. what in the hell was going on...lol or how to supervise people ect.. .. Oh well
Theres my 2 cents before taxes,,, BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
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Well said, OLD WHITE MAN! BWWWAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!! Masterful way of confusing the subject, sidestepping the topic of class and diluting the topic of education with some stereotypical nonsense you must have seen on TV about the "boyz from the hood!" Methinks you have been playing a little too much Grand Theft Auto. Best to go back to your baseball-themed video games. LOL!!!!
Yes, Bush is not stupid. He embodies everything you advocate in terms of "doing well in school, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps, yadda yadda." Yale, like Harvard, are certainly "exclusive." Exclusively for the children of privilege! LOL!!! Come on, take a picture while you are typing and tell me that you think Bush Jr. got into Yale because of his grades. I TRIPLE dog dare you!
Take THAT from a young(er) Mexican-American! BTW, I know that neither the courts nor you like to deal with hypothetical situations but which candidate would you hire to the the CEO of YOUR widget company? Tyrone Brown, Pedro Jesús Cabeza de Vaca, or Robert Kennedy III?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:38:02 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 12:07:00 PM)
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No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
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Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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Umm..perhaps it is better that we don't have "share croppers" running corporations? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pointing the finger at Bush is also very chic but also very specious. I do not want to get into the idiocy of the voting public so I will "let sleeping dogs lie", as it were. That our school system is "dismal" has every bit as much to do with the morons kids consider role models as it does poor schools. Yeah, it is "cool" to "pimp" and shoot people and steal cars and sell drugs for money because then you are "real" and "from the streets"....Riiiiiight. AGAIN, I am only going to start a war by pointing out the painfully obvious, so it is best to drop that part as well. But, just so we are clear, let me say that George Bush is NOT a "stupid" man. Not by a longshot! You may dislike him or even hate him but he is NOT stupid. On the contrary, he is rather savvy. Smart enough to do what he had to do and use the resources he has available to become the most powerful man on earth...TWICE. HOW he got those resources is irrelevant. He did what he did.
I am probably one of the few that can appreciate the fact that Harvard and the other schools are what you might consider "exclusive". From what I see being produced in our "society" and "school system", I am grateful that they are! There, I've said it. I can hear strat typing now! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
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Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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No Guido...Yale is actually Yale Skool uf Bitnez Teknoligy in a little town called Loma Alta, TX!! George Bush rose to where he is now because of dear old dad, his money and his oil. If he was born to poor share croppers in the middle of no where TX and some who managed to make it to Yale then he would NOT have made it any further, other than maybe landing the CEO gig at Goldman Sachs!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 19, 2008 11:53:16 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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No there ARE people out there who can do it just as good if not better and would gladly do it for less.......
How was the CEO of Goldman Sachs good at his job when he collected 68 million in bonuses and within 8 months his company was at a loss for 2.2 billion!! What he was good at was BULLSHIT!!! People that know how to bullshit will get far in this world!! UNTIL THE GET CAUGHT.....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 11:08:47 AM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | The way I look at it is this way. There is always someone sitting out there that can run just as hard as the million dollar wide receiver and would gladly do it for a little less!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I am not arguing that they have help, MM. It would only make sense that they do. But these so-called "schmoes" are most often very gifted business leaders in their own right. AGAIN, they do not get THAT position by "luck" either! And, in the corporate environment, it is absolutely vital that decisions are made via discussion and imput by highly trained professionals. Differing points of view are important when making some of these very big decisions that DO affect tens of thousands of lives and economies! NO doubt.
I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
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I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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Man, you guys type a lot!
I gotta jump in on that comment of "education." While not a CEO in the strict sense of the word, our beloved President went to FREAKIN' YALE! You think he became co-owner of the Rangers (pretty darn close to a CEO), Governor and Pres because he "applied himself" with hard work and dedication in school? HAAAA!!! No, wait, perhaps it was is exemplary military service.
Sorry but your comment about good grades in high school is even more laugabable. You haven't "checked" in a long time as our school systems are in a DISMAL condition. My own state of residence, Tennessee, is just about the worst. I won't even begin to comment on a poor inner-city Detroit school. I guarantee, even if you COULD get a decent education there, you would not get into a top-tier University much less have a fighting chance at a Master of Business degree at Harvard.
Nope, you are leaving social class out of the equation. It is not by mere chance that most CEOs (and politicians) are old white men. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:26:39 AM)
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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Perhaps as hard, but clearly not as well........
I am one of those "show me" guys. I have had SO many employees claim they could do this or do that. Right. When I do their evaluations, they always have excuses for their shortcomings. RARELY did one of them have a "plan". That makes a difference, man. Come to me with your problem but have a plan. This is taught in business schools around the country. Problems are many, solutions few. And if your plan does not work, be prepared to implement another. Always be looking to effect improvement or at least prepare to change direction. These are the qualities that make a good leader. The guy that has a plan and never gives up is the guy I want working for me.
I am not saying these people are always right. In fact, I have said over and over that they DO make mistakes. Unfortunately, their mistakes take on a much larger ripple effect by sheer enormity and connection to other areas. And I still do not have an answer for you regarding 68 million dollar bonuses! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 11:08:47 AM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | The way I look at it is this way. There is always someone sitting out there that can run just as hard as the million dollar wide receiver and would gladly do it for a little less!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I am not arguing that they have help, MM. It would only make sense that they do. But these so-called "schmoes" are most often very gifted business leaders in their own right. AGAIN, they do not get THAT position by "luck" either! And, in the corporate environment, it is absolutely vital that decisions are made via discussion and imput by highly trained professionals. Differing points of view are important when making some of these very big decisions that DO affect tens of thousands of lives and economies! NO doubt.
I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
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I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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The way I look at it is this way. There is always someone sitting out there that can run just as hard as the million dollar wide receiver and would gladly do it for a little less!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 10:07:49 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I am not arguing that they have help, MM. It would only make sense that they do. But these so-called "schmoes" are most often very gifted business leaders in their own right. AGAIN, they do not get THAT position by "luck" either! And, in the corporate environment, it is absolutely vital that decisions are made via discussion and imput by highly trained professionals. Differing points of view are important when making some of these very big decisions that DO affect tens of thousands of lives and economies! NO doubt.
I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
(Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:48:37 AM)
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I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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I am not arguing that they have help, MM. It would only make sense that they do. But these so-called "schmoes" are most often very gifted business leaders in their own right. AGAIN, they do not get THAT position by "luck" either! And, in the corporate environment, it is absolutely vital that decisions are made via discussion and imput by highly trained professionals. Differing points of view are important when making some of these very big decisions that DO affect tens of thousands of lives and economies! NO doubt.
I have no idea HOW they arrived at a dollar amount for the bonuses you mention. Yes, it sounds incredibly excessive. I am not familiar with the contract so I do not know enough to say much. I am NOT arguing with you that it seems ridiculous. On the surface, it certainly does. On the other hand, I have NO idea how it was set up. I have seen colleagues get HUGE bonuses in my professional life, man. I have received a few in my lifetime. Are they fair? To ME they were! I was asked to meet a series on goals, I did it and I was paid. Simple as that. That is a big reason that people seek out these positions in the first place. And getting there is not as simple as siging up, as strat might have us believe. I am very proud of the fact that I worked my ass off for YEARS both in school AND on the job to earn what I got. Did I have disappointments? Sure. Did I feel as though I should have got the promotion another guy did? Occasionally. But I did not complain and accuse the "system" of holding me down. I stayed focused. Kept working towards that goal. DRIVE.
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I dont think, without re-reading everything here, that anyone is saying you shouldnt be qualified to be a CEO. I think you are painting a much tougher picture of what they have to go thru on a daily basis. They have staff and anaylist and a schmoe for this and a schmoe for that. They cannot run an entire company day to day, especially the size of some of these. They make decision based on the info presented to them and have to answer for those decisions...
You cannot tell me, Freeze that a 68 million dollar bonus, when your company is going down the tubes is a wise business move. Its wasnt just GS either. It was all of them. The issue here is GROSS EXCESS within a corp, namely the top brass.
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OK, so just who is Henry Paulson (Goldman Sachs CEO) ?? Just what did he "do" to get where he is??? HAA!!!!!!
Well, to begin with he has a B.A. in English from Dartmouth. (May not sound important enough, but it does help when one needs to communicate clearly) Next , he has a MASTERS degree from HARVARD BUSINESS School. He is a Phi Beta Kappa AND a Sigma Alpha Epsilon. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. He has been with Goldman Sach over THIRTY years. He actually WORKED his way up! He has held high level management positions including Head of Investment Banking AND COO. And I believe he was Secretary of Treasury for the United States. He hasn't accomplished much in his "miserable" life, now has he???
This is just ONE example of "how" one gets to the position of CEO. It is not some half-assed lottery! It is not by "luck". These men earn it with hard work and drive. Period. An unfortunate by-product of such a position is that, when he screws up, it is usually HUGE. (Regardless of if it was even HIM that did it) We see this because the population and the media are so focused on it right now, and rightfully so. But I guess he is not human and not allowed to make mistakes? Oh, and last time I checked, if you had the grades and actually DID something with your high school life, you have every bit as much of an opportunity to make Harvard as he did. The problem is that the majority of kids jack around in high school instead of working towards the future. It is always SO much easier to blame the "system" than onesself.
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