You know Chain, that is a very interesting and well thought-out post. There are points with which I can even agree but I feel you are confusing a "legacy" with a "cyber-infection". I mean, when one says the name Charles Manson, we all know who it is and yet, is that a "legacy"?  Is a person that would come back to a place where he left in dubious "triumph" only to commit one act of malefeasance after another truly how we would label "JP. com"????? We have all seen that ANY nimrod can create a Thread ( or TEN)  and there are enough lemmings here to sustain it. Please! Creating a Thread is NO basis for admiration.

I called Darryn friend as well. We had spirited debates and I got to know a man that , at the time, I admired in spite of our obvious differences. I think this is why it is so remarkably odd that he has done the things he has here at this point. And to be perfectly honest, I am not totally convinced that this is ALL his doing! A rather intricate undertaking for anyone, I would think. I do not recall ever "attacking" him during his tenure. We disagreed occasionally but I do recall some rather "heated" PMs. The good thing was, we kept them private. When he and JD had their last "falling out" I did everything I could to try to bring them back together. I hated seeing good friends split.

And speaking of JD, I find it more than ridiculous to suggest that he has not contributed to this site or that he has only been one dimensional. There are VERY few members of this Board, past AND present, that really "get" JD. I think that galled Darryn more than anything. JD is a very special guy and, most importantly, a VERY loyal friend. That speaks volumes for his true character...not the guy you see ripping faces off here in the Threads. Like I said, very few "get it".

I guess I disagree most with your comment that Darryn has made the most impact here. I just do not see it. If anything, he took what could have been an incredible legacy and threw it away through his actions. He has had more than one opportunity to "come clean" and to atone and yet his response is that the "Respect Points" system makes it too much trouble to come back. Ummm.....OKAAAAAAAAY.....

It may be true that no one will forget Darryn Helloffs but it is equally true that the reasons are not all good. There are names throughout history that will never be forgotten and yet, I do not believe that is a foundation for some kind of canonization. Something happened to this man and turned him from an intelligent, thoughtful, participating member of this site to a punk. THAT is all the "legacy" I can see and, quite frankly, we have an abundance of "punks" here on this Board.

		Chain74 wrote:
		There is no denying that Darryn Heloffs was a very self-righteous and pompous man, but there is also no denying that Darryn Heloffs told it like it was. That irritated some people who would have preferred that he would go with the flow. But Darryn's style was to say his piece, let it fly, and then let us deal with it. When he was wrong, he said so. When he made a mistake, he said so. Darryn Heloffs was his own person. He was an individual, a one man movement. I think he was so far ahead of his time here. No one had ever seen anyone like him: funny, charismatic, opinionated, knowledgeable, over the top. Darryn Heloffs was one of a kind. I, for one, am glad that he has moved on. I think that he outgrew this place. His personality was too big. But there is no denying that almost three years after he left, his presence is felt probably more than anyone else that was here before him, or joined after him. Just look at all of his threads. That's him and that's his legacy. The thong thread, the politics thread, the sports thread, the birthday thread,... the list is endless. He did it bigger and more bad-ass than any of us. He did all of this before anyone else did. That's what he leaves behind. He's gone here and good riddance to the fucker, but no one has had more impact here on so many different levels than Darryn Heloffs. Like him or not, no one here will ever forget him. If he comes back, he will get his ass kicked. But how many members know the name Darryn Heloffs or J.D. Diamond? And to be truthful, what did J.D. Diamond ever leave behind here or create that will leave a mark? Just a smart-ass attitude that knows black metal. Good for him. That's really good. Black metal is cool. But Darryn's contribution was fast, hard and spitfire. Most attacked him because they either hated him, were jealous of him, or wanted to be him. And when he left, we hated him because he left us flat and cold. But just one person here says the name "Darryn Heloffs" and he's suddenly all over these pages. Everytime we post in the sports thread, that's Darryn Heloffs. Or when we talk politics, that's Darryn Heloffs too. When something goes wrong, it's Darryn Heloffs again. Everywhere you go in this place, it's Darryn Heloffs. Darryn Heloffs IS judaspriest.com. He's all over the place, even though he left this noticeboard almost three years ago. Edited at: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:08:07 AM

hey J.D no offence of coarse my friend but  i believe you majorly misunderstood vaillant

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		YES!  And I finally got Vaillant 3.0 to post!  Thank you Vaillant 3.0 for exposing yourself...and thanks for defending Darryn Heloffs. Now the rest of the forum sees what you are and who you are.      Vaillant 3.0 wrote: J.D. DIAMOND... will you PLEASE stop playing tough and stop fighting against "Darryn"?! This is getting absolutely ridiculous. Are you really that hell bent on bringing down this guy?? Why not go to Canada and confront him face-to-face??? Please take this name-calling and insults somewhere else... Here's a picture for both you and "Darryn"...and for all of you that pipe in during some fight here, yet still continue to preach the "ignore this person" thing. :

You know Chain, that is a very interesting and well thought-out post. There are points with which I can even agree but I feel you are confusing a "legacy" with a "cyber-infection". I mean, when one says the name Charles Manson, we all know who it is and yet, is that a "legacy"?  Is a person that would come back to a place where he left in dubious "triumph" only to commit one act of malefeasance after another truly how we would label "JP. com"????? We have all seen that ANY nimrod can create a Thread ( or TEN)  and there are enough lemmings here to sustain it. Please! Creating a Thread is NO basis for admiration.

I called Darryn friend as well. We had spirited debates and I got to know a man that , at the time, I admired in spite of our obvious differences. I think this is why it is so remarkably odd that he has done the things he has here at this point. And to be perfectly honest, I am not totally convinced that this is ALL his doing! A rather intricate undertaking for anyone, I would think. I do not recall ever "attacking" him during his tenure. We disagreed occasionally but I do recall some rather "heated" PMs. The good thing was, we kept them private. When he and JD had their last "falling out" I did everything I could to try to bring them back together. I hated seeing good friends split.

And speaking of JD, I find it more than ridiculous to suggest that he has not contributed to this site or that he has only been one dimensional. There are VERY few members of this Board, past AND present, that really "get" JD. I think that galled Darryn more than anything. JD is a very special guy and, most importantly, a VERY loyal friend. That speaks volumes for his true character...not the guy you see ripping faces off here in the Threads. Like I said, very few "get it".

I guess I disagree most with your comment that Darryn has made the most impact here. I just do not see it. If anything, he took what could have been an incredible legacy and threw it away through his actions. He has had more than one opportunity to "come clean" and to atone and yet his response is that the "Respect Points" system makes it too much trouble to come back. Ummm.....OKAAAAAAAAY.....

It may be true that no one will forget Darryn Helloffs but it is equally true that the reasons are not all good. There are names throughout history that will never be forgotten and yet, I do not believe that is a foundation for some kind of canonization. Something happened to this man and turned him from an intelligent, thoughtful, participating member of this site to a punk. THAT is all the "legacy" I can see and, quite frankly, we have an abundance of "punks" here on this Board.

		Chain74 wrote:
		There is no denying that Darryn Heloffs was a very self-righteous and pompous man, but there is also no denying that Darryn Heloffs told it like it was. That irritated some people who would have preferred that he would go with the flow. But Darryn's style was to say his piece, let it fly, and then let us deal with it. When he was wrong, he said so. When he made a mistake, he said so. Darryn Heloffs was his own person. He was an individual, a one man movement. I think he was so far ahead of his time here. No one had ever seen anyone like him: funny, charismatic, opinionated, knowledgeable, over the top. Darryn Heloffs was one of a kind. I, for one, am glad that he has moved on. I think that he outgrew this place. His personality was too big. But there is no denying that almost three years after he left, his presence is felt probably more than anyone else that was here before him, or joined after him. Just look at all of his threads. That's him and that's his legacy. The thong thread, the politics thread, the sports thread, the birthday thread,... the list is endless. He did it bigger and more bad-ass than any of us. He did all of this before anyone else did. That's what he leaves behind. He's gone here and good riddance to the fucker, but no one has had more impact here on so many different levels than Darryn Heloffs. Like him or not, no one here will ever forget him. If he comes back, he will get his ass kicked. But how many members know the name Darryn Heloffs or J.D. Diamond? And to be truthful, what did J.D. Diamond ever leave behind here or create that will leave a mark? Just a smart-ass attitude that knows black metal. Good for him. That's really good. Black metal is cool. But Darryn's contribution was fast, hard and spitfire. Most attacked him because they either hated him, were jealous of him, or wanted to be him. And when he left, we hated him because he left us flat and cold. But just one person here says the name "Darryn Heloffs" and he's suddenly all over these pages. Everytime we post in the sports thread, that's Darryn Heloffs. Or when we talk politics, that's Darryn Heloffs too. When something goes wrong, it's Darryn Heloffs again. Everywhere you go in this place, it's Darryn Heloffs. Darryn Heloffs IS judaspriest.com. He's all over the place, even though he left this noticeboard almost three years ago. Edited at: Friday, July 24, 2009 8:08:07 AM