| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:53:20 PM | |
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Thats not what I've read throughout the years...I heard that Unleashed In The East was barely touched up at all,thats what makes Unleased In The East unbeatable.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Friday, June 12, 2009 2:59:42 PM)| |  | icecreamman wrote: | | | At least we know from the previews of the new live album, it doesnt have any studio touch ups on it. Like unleashed in the east. |
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| [icecreamman] Friday, June 12, 2009 2:59:42 PM | |
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| At least we know from the previews of the new live album, it doesnt have any studio touch ups on it. Like unleashed in the east. |
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| [hellrider 31038] Wednesday, June 10, 2009 9:12:37 PM | |
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correction spelling mistake MIGHTY PAAAAAAIIINNNKKIIILLLLLLLLLLER
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:53:14 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | personally i would much perfer one simular to the mughty paaaainkillllller.i was a little dissapointed with AOR i feel it lacks a bit of power
| | | nathan0212 wrote: | | Another studio album like AOR would be brilliant. And it would have 2 start with a blistering scream from Rob after a slow build up from KK and Glenn, which then launches into their classic metal sound. I hope they start work on it soon |
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| [hellrider 31038] Wednesday, June 10, 2009 5:53:14 PM | |
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personally i would much perfer one simular to the mughty paaaainkillllller.i was a little dissapointed with AOR i feel it lacks a bit of power
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by nathan0212 from Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:57:23 PM)| | | nathan0212 wrote: | | Another studio album like AOR would be brilliant. And it would have 2 start with a blistering scream from Rob after a slow build up from KK and Glenn, which then launches into their classic metal sound. I hope they start work on it soon |
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| [nathan0212] Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:57:23 PM | |
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Another studio album like AOR would be brilliant. And it would have 2 start with a blistering scream from Rob after a slow build up from KK and Glenn, which then launches into their classic metal sound. I hope they start work on it soon |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:44:22 PM | |
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Yeah I know,I read that a while back.....I'm not saying that Halford could'nt pull it off....I'm just saying that it would'nt be right for the name "Judas Priest" to play "black metal" at all...
But as a whole......I think that it would be awsome if Judas Priest created an album that reeked and polished "The Best Judas Priest ever recorded".
An album that could easily match greatness of Sad Wings Of Destiny,British Steel,Screaming For Vengeance and Painkiller...........................................
.....with songs on it that could easily match tracks like "Victim Of Changes",Genocide,Sinner,Steeler,Painkiller,Judas Rising,Demonizer,Hellrider..ect....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:38:22 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | Halford alwas wanted to do some black metal it was in an interview somewhere. I think he ws going to work with a couple of musicians from Emporer. But yeah i agree for with you!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | LOL! Well,I think Priest should stay away from "black metal"......me being a black metal fan since 1983.......that would be a recipe for disaster!! LOL!
They should stick to doing what they do best....and thats traditional british screaming heavy metal!!!
| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | Hmm i would definately disagree with you there. Those 3 you mentioned are great but there are others. 'Feed on Me', 'Cyberface', 'Metal Messiah' (possibly the heaviest riff they've ever done) 'Inbetween' (majorly underrated track) and of course the fantastically catchy but overlooked 'Subterfuge'. Those are great songs, the others i kind of overlook but i love Demolition as a whole it was breaking new ground. If some other band had released it everyone probably would have liked it, i did anyway. I like it when they are diverse, hell if Priest came up with a death/blackesque metal album next i think it would be awesome, Halford has the grunt for it. However I think you're right J.D, i would like to hear some more classic heavy metal again from the boys, the sound that they suit the most for me was with Angel of Retribution, i have been listening to that album religiously for the past week (as i do with all of their albums) and i honestly think they should do something like that again, the production was fantastic and the music was even better, even Lochness has its moments. So yeah go on Priest make us some good old school heavy metal.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Demolition? YUK! And tune thier guitars back down? YUK! LOL! I'll have to agree to disagree with you here.
I hate Demolition with a passion!!! That album sucks big time! The only 3 worthy songs on it are the first 3 "Machine Man,One On One and Hell Is Home". The next 10 tracks in a row are terrible.
| | | Starbreaker287 wrote: | | | I'd like to see the next album be more cutting edge, more raw, more in the vein of Demolition. They were breaking new ground on Machine Man etc.... They should tune their guitars back down, break the mold. I'd like to hear Scott try more beats, they are all so straight ahead or double bass. |
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Wednesday, June 03, 2009 7:38:22 AM | |
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Halford alwas wanted to do some black metal it was in an interview somewhere. I think he ws going to work with a couple of musicians from Emporer. But yeah i agree for with you!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:08:37 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | LOL! Well,I think Priest should stay away from "black metal"......me being a black metal fan since 1983.......that would be a recipe for disaster!! LOL!
They should stick to doing what they do best....and thats traditional british screaming heavy metal!!!
| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | Hmm i would definately disagree with you there. Those 3 you mentioned are great but there are others. 'Feed on Me', 'Cyberface', 'Metal Messiah' (possibly the heaviest riff they've ever done) 'Inbetween' (majorly underrated track) and of course the fantastically catchy but overlooked 'Subterfuge'. Those are great songs, the others i kind of overlook but i love Demolition as a whole it was breaking new ground. If some other band had released it everyone probably would have liked it, i did anyway. I like it when they are diverse, hell if Priest came up with a death/blackesque metal album next i think it would be awesome, Halford has the grunt for it. However I think you're right J.D, i would like to hear some more classic heavy metal again from the boys, the sound that they suit the most for me was with Angel of Retribution, i have been listening to that album religiously for the past week (as i do with all of their albums) and i honestly think they should do something like that again, the production was fantastic and the music was even better, even Lochness has its moments. So yeah go on Priest make us some good old school heavy metal.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Demolition? YUK! And tune thier guitars back down? YUK! LOL! I'll have to agree to disagree with you here.
I hate Demolition with a passion!!! That album sucks big time! The only 3 worthy songs on it are the first 3 "Machine Man,One On One and Hell Is Home". The next 10 tracks in a row are terrible.
| | | Starbreaker287 wrote: | | | I'd like to see the next album be more cutting edge, more raw, more in the vein of Demolition. They were breaking new ground on Machine Man etc.... They should tune their guitars back down, break the mold. I'd like to hear Scott try more beats, they are all so straight ahead or double bass. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:08:37 PM | |
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LOL! Well,I think Priest should stay away from "black metal"......me being a black metal fan since 1983.......that would be a recipe for disaster!! LOL!
They should stick to doing what they do best....and thats traditional british screaming heavy metal!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Monday, June 01, 2009 8:03:15 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | Hmm i would definately disagree with you there. Those 3 you mentioned are great but there are others. 'Feed on Me', 'Cyberface', 'Metal Messiah' (possibly the heaviest riff they've ever done) 'Inbetween' (majorly underrated track) and of course the fantastically catchy but overlooked 'Subterfuge'. Those are great songs, the others i kind of overlook but i love Demolition as a whole it was breaking new ground. If some other band had released it everyone probably would have liked it, i did anyway. I like it when they are diverse, hell if Priest came up with a death/blackesque metal album next i think it would be awesome, Halford has the grunt for it. However I think you're right J.D, i would like to hear some more classic heavy metal again from the boys, the sound that they suit the most for me was with Angel of Retribution, i have been listening to that album religiously for the past week (as i do with all of their albums) and i honestly think they should do something like that again, the production was fantastic and the music was even better, even Lochness has its moments. So yeah go on Priest make us some good old school heavy metal.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Demolition? YUK! And tune thier guitars back down? YUK! LOL! I'll have to agree to disagree with you here.
I hate Demolition with a passion!!! That album sucks big time! The only 3 worthy songs on it are the first 3 "Machine Man,One On One and Hell Is Home". The next 10 tracks in a row are terrible.
| | | Starbreaker287 wrote: | | | I'd like to see the next album be more cutting edge, more raw, more in the vein of Demolition. They were breaking new ground on Machine Man etc.... They should tune their guitars back down, break the mold. I'd like to hear Scott try more beats, they are all so straight ahead or double bass. |
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| [hellrider 31038] Monday, June 01, 2009 7:16:36 PM | |
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| BRING ON THE HARD CORE YEAH BABY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH(HALFORD METAL GOD SCREAM RIPING YOUR FACE OFF.WHAT A RUSH) |
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Monday, June 01, 2009 8:03:15 AM | |
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Hmm i would definately disagree with you there. Those 3 you mentioned are great but there are others. 'Feed on Me', 'Cyberface', 'Metal Messiah' (possibly the heaviest riff they've ever done) 'Inbetween' (majorly underrated track) and of course the fantastically catchy but overlooked 'Subterfuge'. Those are great songs, the others i kind of overlook but i love Demolition as a whole it was breaking new ground. If some other band had released it everyone probably would have liked it, i did anyway. I like it when they are diverse, hell if Priest came up with a death/blackesque metal album next i think it would be awesome, Halford has the grunt for it. However I think you're right J.D, i would like to hear some more classic heavy metal again from the boys, the sound that they suit the most for me was with Angel of Retribution, i have been listening to that album religiously for the past week (as i do with all of their albums) and i honestly think they should do something like that again, the production was fantastic and the music was even better, even Lochness has its moments. So yeah go on Priest make us some good old school heavy metal.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:26:19 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Demolition? YUK! And tune thier guitars back down? YUK! LOL! I'll have to agree to disagree with you here.
I hate Demolition with a passion!!! That album sucks big time! The only 3 worthy songs on it are the first 3 "Machine Man,One On One and Hell Is Home". The next 10 tracks in a row are terrible.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:26:19 PM | |
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Demolition? YUK! And tune thier guitars back down? YUK! LOL! I'll have to agree to disagree with you here.
I hate Demolition with a passion!!! That album sucks big time! The only 3 worthy songs on it are the first 3 "Machine Man,One On One and Hell Is Home". The next 10 tracks in a row are terrible.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Starbreaker287 from Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:39:01 AM)| | | Starbreaker287 wrote: | | | I'd like to see the next album be more cutting edge, more raw, more in the vein of Demolition. They were breaking new ground on Machine Man etc.... They should tune their guitars back down, break the mold. I'd like to hear Scott try more beats, they are all so straight ahead or double bass. |
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| [ron h] Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:57:20 AM | |
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I must admit that I will buy the latest Priest Cd, I always do...but I too, am ready for them to start there 2 1/2 year sabatical to create a new studio release...after this years summer tour, of course...as much as I like Nos, it's gonna be around forever as with everything else they've made, they are not, so the greediness in me wants them to put out as much as they can while they can... |
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| [Phantom A6] Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:43:49 AM | |
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Darryn, always look on the oink side of life??
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Diamond Jim from Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:38:47 AM)| | | Diamond Jim wrote: | | 
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | That doesn't surprise me one bit. Queensryche has never been clutch.And thier albums are really not good at all. The first EP 1983 'Queensryche" was a good debut and the songs were cool.
But with the "Warning" and everything after the Debut EP except for maybe Operation mind Crime(wich was alright) was not that good of albums at all.
I've never been impressed with Queensryche.They used to live in Bellevue Washington....about a 25 minute drive from my house....I saw them at Silver Platters around 1993 or so...they were giving out autographs and I just walked right past them!! LOL!!!
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Priest is not done after this tour!! How can you say that? Just watch them perform live and you can see that their passion and love for performing is still there 150%! They still have a lot to say and a lot to do before they retire. They always said that they will retire when they start putting on crappy shows. Well, that time isn't here yet!
I just saw Queensryche a few weeks back and let me tell you, that is a band that should have quit while they were ahead. Used to be my 2nd favorite band. Now I can't get this shitty performance out of my head. The bassist just stood there the ENTIRE show YAWNING!! He phoned in his entire performance. When bands start doing that, it's time to quit! Priest would NEVER do that, no matter how small the stage is because they are total professionals.
Priest isn't done yet, and their next album will KICK ASS! |
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| [Diamond Jim] Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:38:47 AM | |
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:51:36 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | That doesn't surprise me one bit. Queensryche has never been clutch.And thier albums are really not good at all. The first EP 1983 'Queensryche" was a good debut and the songs were cool.
But with the "Warning" and everything after the Debut EP except for maybe Operation mind Crime(wich was alright) was not that good of albums at all.
I've never been impressed with Queensryche.They used to live in Bellevue Washington....about a 25 minute drive from my house....I saw them at Silver Platters around 1993 or so...they were giving out autographs and I just walked right past them!! LOL!!!
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Priest is not done after this tour!! How can you say that? Just watch them perform live and you can see that their passion and love for performing is still there 150%! They still have a lot to say and a lot to do before they retire. They always said that they will retire when they start putting on crappy shows. Well, that time isn't here yet!
I just saw Queensryche a few weeks back and let me tell you, that is a band that should have quit while they were ahead. Used to be my 2nd favorite band. Now I can't get this shitty performance out of my head. The bassist just stood there the ENTIRE show YAWNING!! He phoned in his entire performance. When bands start doing that, it's time to quit! Priest would NEVER do that, no matter how small the stage is because they are total professionals.
Priest isn't done yet, and their next album will KICK ASS! |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:51:36 PM | |
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That doesn't surprise me one bit. Queensryche has never been clutch.And thier albums are really not good at all. The first EP 1983 'Queensryche" was a good debut and the songs were cool.
But with the "Warning" and everything after the Debut EP except for maybe Operation mind Crime(wich was alright) was not that good of albums at all.
I've never been impressed with Queensryche.They used to live in Bellevue Washington....about a 25 minute drive from my house....I saw them at Silver Platters around 1993 or so...they were giving out autographs and I just walked right past them!! LOL!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:57:12 AM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Priest is not done after this tour!! How can you say that? Just watch them perform live and you can see that their passion and love for performing is still there 150%! They still have a lot to say and a lot to do before they retire. They always said that they will retire when they start putting on crappy shows. Well, that time isn't here yet!
I just saw Queensryche a few weeks back and let me tell you, that is a band that should have quit while they were ahead. Used to be my 2nd favorite band. Now I can't get this shitty performance out of my head. The bassist just stood there the ENTIRE show YAWNING!! He phoned in his entire performance. When bands start doing that, it's time to quit! Priest would NEVER do that, no matter how small the stage is because they are total professionals.
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| [guidogodoy] Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:48:54 AM | |
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Man, am I sorry to hear THAT one about Queensryche. I remember seeing them at Wings Stadium during OM1 and they rocked. Also did a fine job, but admittedly to a lesser degree, for their warmup touring with Priest (at the Knob).
Sad news to hear that review, indeed.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:57:12 AM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Priest is not done after this tour!! How can you say that? Just watch them perform live and you can see that their passion and love for performing is still there 150%! They still have a lot to say and a lot to do before they retire. They always said that they will retire when they start putting on crappy shows. Well, that time isn't here yet!
I just saw Queensryche a few weeks back and let me tell you, that is a band that should have quit while they were ahead. Used to be my 2nd favorite band. Now I can't get this shitty performance out of my head. The bassist just stood there the ENTIRE show YAWNING!! He phoned in his entire performance. When bands start doing that, it's time to quit! Priest would NEVER do that, no matter how small the stage is because they are total professionals.
Priest isn't done yet, and their next album will KICK ASS! |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:57:12 AM | |
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Priest is not done after this tour!! How can you say that? Just watch them perform live and you can see that their passion and love for performing is still there 150%! They still have a lot to say and a lot to do before they retire. They always said that they will retire when they start putting on crappy shows. Well, that time isn't here yet!
I just saw Queensryche a few weeks back and let me tell you, that is a band that should have quit while they were ahead. Used to be my 2nd favorite band. Now I can't get this shitty performance out of my head. The bassist just stood there the ENTIRE show YAWNING!! He phoned in his entire performance. When bands start doing that, it's time to quit! Priest would NEVER do that, no matter how small the stage is because they are total professionals.
Priest isn't done yet, and their next album will KICK ASS! |
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| [Head banger] Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:12:06 AM | |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, May 28, 2009 3:53:46 AM | |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:25:16 PM | |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:49:21 PM | |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 27, 2009 5:53:30 PM | |
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| [screaming_4_priest] Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:40:36 AM | |
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There is no reason that Nostradamus will be the last one they will do. some people might not like the music or type of album it is but u have to admit the band do sound on top of ther game.
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| [Diamond Jim] Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:43:02 PM | |
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:06:15 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:36:21 AM | |
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Lol hey i'm just being hopeful but that's no bullshit either Halford said that in an interview and i pray they do release another studio album i think it's only right. I hope they don't end their career on a live album. You know what i think would be cool too, if they did some work with both Ripper and Halford that would be immense.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:44:29 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | If Judas Priest doesn't release another studio album,then its JT_Small_Deadly_Space's "fault". LOL!!!! I'm holdin ya to it JT!! lol!!
| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | We'll get another studio album, Halford said himself in an interview that they will stop when they feel they have to and he said they aren't thinking of quitting any time soon. I just wish i could find the interview it was late 2008 don't give up hope. I reckon they'll blow our socks off again when they write another album. God if Ronnie James Dio can keep going in his mid 60's i'm sure these can too.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:44:29 PM | |
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If Judas Priest doesn't release another studio album,then its JT_Small_Deadly_Space's "fault". LOL!!!! I'm holdin ya to it JT!! lol!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:48:00 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | We'll get another studio album, Halford said himself in an interview that they will stop when they feel they have to and he said they aren't thinking of quitting any time soon. I just wish i could find the interview it was late 2008 don't give up hope. I reckon they'll blow our socks off again when they write another album. God if Ronnie James Dio can keep going in his mid 60's i'm sure these can too.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Sunday, May 24, 2009 11:48:00 AM | |
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We'll get another studio album, Halford said himself in an interview that they will stop when they feel they have to and he said they aren't thinking of quitting any time soon. I just wish i could find the interview it was late 2008 don't give up hope. I reckon they'll blow our socks off again when they write another album. God if Ronnie James Dio can keep going in his mid 60's i'm sure these can too.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:06:15 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [ron h] Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:37:10 PM | |
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Gots to agree with you...Halford...retire???...Priest...insignificant???...Hang it UP???...No F&^%$^g way!!!...Of all the classic artists still around, I have to put Priest on the top of the list of still being original (like it or not) and kicking ass live...no other band comes close (Heaven and Hell, Maiden, Saxon, Metallica included!!!!!)
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, May 23, 2009 10:56:02 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I'm sure they will use some of that material plus a little more. They are not done yet. Look a the Stones, there is no reason for them to "hang it up"
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I'm sure they will use some of that material plus a little more. They are not done yet. Look a the Stones, there is no reason for them to "hang it up"
They are out touring most young bands for god's sake! Who is writting their Obittuary!? WTF!!! |
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| [chileansteel] Saturday, May 23, 2009 10:42:03 PM | |
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Yes, maybe. If next album is along the lines of Angel of Retribution that`s alright. That`s a great album. If it`s in the vein of Nostradamus, that`s alright too. The album is slower but more refined. If it`s a mixture of previous albums plus something else, that`s OK too. They have the freedom to do whatever they like and feel. They are sensational musicians. I have faith in Priest!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:01:52 PM)| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT...I'M EXPECTING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF A.O.R.,AFTER ALL ROB HAD STATED THAT WHEN THE WRITING SESSIONS WERE COMPLETED FOR A.O.R.,THEY HAD ENOUGH MATERIAL FOR TWO ALBUMS,SO I'M FIGURING PERHAPS THIS IS WHAT WE'LL SEE....
| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I disagree with you. You cannot say "the band are finished". They`re not out at all!!!. All the evolution they`ve had throughout their career, including Nostradamus, shows no sign of slowing down. On the contrary, in ability, ideas, performance, Priest still knows how to play Metal.
Quit after Angel of Retribution!!! No!!!!!. It seems that you haven`t attended the shows of their 2008 - 2009 tours. They`re playing awesome live!. I saw them last year and they blew my mind away and the Nostradamus tracks sounded so powerful. I say they are far from retirement.
I wouldn`t have liked losing this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVBh7haJMRg
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I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, May 23, 2009 9:01:52 PM | |
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WOULD AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT...I'M EXPECTING SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF A.O.R.,AFTER ALL ROB HAD STATED THAT WHEN THE WRITING SESSIONS WERE COMPLETED FOR A.O.R.,THEY HAD ENOUGH MATERIAL FOR TWO ALBUMS,SO I'M FIGURING PERHAPS THIS IS WHAT WE'LL SEE....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:43:18 PM)| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I disagree with you. You cannot say "the band are finished". They`re not out at all!!!. All the evolution they`ve had throughout their career, including Nostradamus, shows no sign of slowing down. On the contrary, in ability, ideas, performance, Priest still knows how to play Metal.
Quit after Angel of Retribution!!! No!!!!!. It seems that you haven`t attended the shows of their 2008 - 2009 tours. They`re playing awesome live!. I saw them last year and they blew my mind away and the Nostradamus tracks sounded so powerful. I say they are far from retirement.
I wouldn`t have liked losing this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVBh7haJMRg
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I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [chileansteel] Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:43:18 PM | |
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I disagree with you. You cannot say "the band are finished". They`re not out at all!!!. All the evolution they`ve had throughout their career, including Nostradamus, shows no sign of slowing down. On the contrary, in ability, ideas, performance, Priest still knows how to play Metal.
Quit after Angel of Retribution!!! No!!!!!. It seems that you haven`t attended the shows of their 2008 - 2009 tours. They`re playing awesome live!. I saw them last year and they blew my mind away and the Nostradamus tracks sounded so powerful. I say they are far from retirement.
I wouldn`t have liked losing this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVBh7haJMRg
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:06:15 PM)
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I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:46:05 PM | |
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Why thank you!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:57:27 PM)| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Well, thats a positive attitude.
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I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [icecreamman] Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:57:27 PM | |
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Well, thats a positive attitude.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:06:15 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 23, 2009 5:06:15 PM | |
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I do not think that there IS going to be a "next studio album" at all,thats why I am venting my frustrations in disappointment over Nostradamus.
I think that the band are "finished" after this British Steel tour they are doing now. What a sad way to go out.They should of quit after the tour of Angel Of Retribution. |
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| [Head banger] Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:21:15 PM | |
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they should do what they like, if we like it fine and well
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Saturday, May 23, 2009 1:09:49 PM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | At the end of the day i don't think Priest should always do what the fans are expecting cause they probably get bored of doing 'typical Priest stuff'. They are human beings and this is their career they should be able to have fun doing it and if coming up with a completely different album gives them the rush they never had from their career then they should be entitled to do that. They can't always just 'stay loyal' to there old fans cause they need to try and attract new ones too. But if you don't like it that's cool, everyone has a different opinion.
| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | I wasn't trying to get the songs to sound the same i'm tring to get the similarity in style/ mood correct, some you obviously disagree with and that's fine but it's what i personally think is round about the same style. I don't compare these songs to others and even if i did i aint dissapointed with Nostradamus it's in my top 5 Priest albums without a doubt and i'm not saying that cause it's the latest release and all the hype etc, i generally believe it is one of their best albums musically, it really hits home that they spent a hell of a lot of time on this and have put more thought into the lyrics and the composition, everything is awesome. I just wish the drumming and production were a little better, but that's my opinion. There is the odd cheesy moment in there but its Priest they've always done things like that. And yes correct Maniac i was refering to the solo section in Death that is similar to Dissident Aggressor. Nostradamus is a kick ass album and i can't wait for them to get back in the studio and start recording their next master piece. (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, May 22, 2009 10:55:01 AM)
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I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
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I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:55:46 AM |
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At the end of the day i don't think Priest should always do what the fans are expecting cause they probably get bored of doing 'typical Priest stuff'. They are human beings and this is their career they should be able to have fun doing it and if coming up with a completely different album gives them the rush they never had from their career then they should be entitled to do that. They can't always just 'stay loyal' to there old fans cause they need to try and attract new ones too. But if you don't like it that's cool, everyone has a different opinion.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Friday, May 22, 2009 1:12:31 PM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | I wasn't trying to get the songs to sound the same i'm tring to get the similarity in style/ mood correct, some you obviously disagree with and that's fine but it's what i personally think is round about the same style. I don't compare these songs to others and even if i did i aint dissapointed with Nostradamus it's in my top 5 Priest albums without a doubt and i'm not saying that cause it's the latest release and all the hype etc, i generally believe it is one of their best albums musically, it really hits home that they spent a hell of a lot of time on this and have put more thought into the lyrics and the composition, everything is awesome. I just wish the drumming and production were a little better, but that's my opinion. There is the odd cheesy moment in there but its Priest they've always done things like that. And yes correct Maniac i was refering to the solo section in Death that is similar to Dissident Aggressor. Nostradamus is a kick ass album and i can't wait for them to get back in the studio and start recording their next master piece. (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, May 22, 2009 10:55:01 AM)
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I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
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I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:55:46 AM |
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| [ron h] Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:32:14 AM | |
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Nah...you're not the only that don't like it, not all my friends like it either...but I think Turbo was more of a shock to me than Nos was...at least with Nos they weren't playing to my kids (lol), I don't think Turbo was anywhere near as accepted as Nos is...but hey, to each their own...I do agree that I hope the next studio release is more along the lines of classic Priest like AoR was as I love it when Glen and KK tear it up...the best combo in the biz I say...and I am more than ready to kick it with 'em!!!
...as for you being argumentative??...I hadn't noticed... 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:13:41 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | LOL! Upset? (lol!) Nah man,I'm not "upset" at all...I just LOVE to argue!!! LOL! And why would I not like an album because people like it? That makes no sense to me.
I don't like it because "I don't like it" simple as that man. I do like to argue and debate things,thats all. I'm no where near "upset". LOL!
This reminds me of 1986 and the Turbo album all over again with the fan base split down the middle on thier opinions about the album.
No worries,I just don't "get" Nostradamus at all,I'm glad all of you like it and are enjoying it though. I'm the odd ball out and I'm fine with that! LOL!
Upset? LOL!!!!
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D., been awhile since we chatted, eh?? I'm not sure if you don't like Nos because you don't like the music or because some ppl like it, but I know you get more upset the more you talk bout it...lol
It's cool to not like it, I don't care for Turbo myself, though there's a couple songs on it that are alright...
I like Nos, but I like it for what it is and it's definately not typical Priest, but in this case I don't think it's a bad thing...the band did tell us it was gonna be different from anything else...I do find it hard to believe that you don't like any of it as there are moments through out it that are heavily influenced by the 70's sound and the classic style...but hey, we all have our own tastes...I don't think it was a step backwards as much as a lateral move into a different style...I must admit that the more I listened to it the better it got...I can't remember the song (maybe the title track??) that the riff sounds like the riff on Nailed To The Gun, off the first Fight release...I think if you look hard enough, there's a little gem in there for everyone...just my opinion...take it easy man!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:13:41 AM | |
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LOL! Upset? (lol!) Nah man,I'm not "upset" at all...I just LOVE to argue!!! LOL! And why would I not like an album because people like it? That makes no sense to me.
I don't like it because "I don't like it" simple as that man. I do like to argue and debate things,thats all. I'm no where near "upset". LOL!
This reminds me of 1986 and the Turbo album all over again with the fan base split down the middle on thier opinions about the album.
No worries,I just don't "get" Nostradamus at all,I'm glad all of you like it and are enjoying it though. I'm the odd ball out and I'm fine with that! LOL!
Upset? LOL!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, May 22, 2009 6:08:50 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D., been awhile since we chatted, eh?? I'm not sure if you don't like Nos because you don't like the music or because some ppl like it, but I know you get more upset the more you talk bout it...lol
It's cool to not like it, I don't care for Turbo myself, though there's a couple songs on it that are alright...
I like Nos, but I like it for what it is and it's definately not typical Priest, but in this case I don't think it's a bad thing...the band did tell us it was gonna be different from anything else...I do find it hard to believe that you don't like any of it as there are moments through out it that are heavily influenced by the 70's sound and the classic style...but hey, we all have our own tastes...I don't think it was a step backwards as much as a lateral move into a different style...I must admit that the more I listened to it the better it got...I can't remember the song (maybe the title track??) that the riff sounds like the riff on Nailed To The Gun, off the first Fight release...I think if you look hard enough, there's a little gem in there for everyone...just my opinion...take it easy man!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [ron h] Friday, May 22, 2009 6:08:50 PM | |
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Hey there J.D., been awhile since we chatted, eh?? I'm not sure if you don't like Nos because you don't like the music or because some ppl like it, but I know you get more upset the more you talk bout it...lol
It's cool to not like it, I don't care for Turbo myself, though there's a couple songs on it that are alright...
I like Nos, but I like it for what it is and it's definately not typical Priest, but in this case I don't think it's a bad thing...the band did tell us it was gonna be different from anything else...I do find it hard to believe that you don't like any of it as there are moments through out it that are heavily influenced by the 70's sound and the classic style...but hey, we all have our own tastes...I don't think it was a step backwards as much as a lateral move into a different style...I must admit that the more I listened to it the better it got...I can't remember the song (maybe the title track??) that the riff sounds like the riff on Nailed To The Gun, off the first Fight release...I think if you look hard enough, there's a little gem in there for everyone...just my opinion...take it easy man!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, May 22, 2009 4:17:37 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, May 22, 2009 5:51:21 PM | |
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Those 3 albums are of course different,but they still run along the same formual,like Screaming,Defenders,Painkiller,Angel...ect....
This band does not have much "time" left and it would be a shame to see them go out of thier career with Nostradamus...or worse....a "Nostradamus part 2!!!"
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, May 22, 2009 5:24:11 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | but those three albums are all different. great yes, but not the same.
change is fine, nost, well not so much.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [Head banger] Friday, May 22, 2009 5:24:11 PM | |
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but those three albums are all different. great yes, but not the same.
change is fine, nost, well not so much.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, May 22, 2009 4:17:37 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, May 22, 2009 4:17:37 PM | |
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One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
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I wasn't trying to get the songs to sound the same i'm tring to get the similarity in style/ mood correct, some you obviously disagree with and that's fine but it's what i personally think is round about the same style. I don't compare these songs to others and even if i did i aint dissapointed with Nostradamus it's in my top 5 Priest albums without a doubt and i'm not saying that cause it's the latest release and all the hype etc, i generally believe it is one of their best albums musically, it really hits home that they spent a hell of a lot of time on this and have put more thought into the lyrics and the composition, everything is awesome. I just wish the drumming and production were a little better, but that's my opinion. There is the odd cheesy moment in there but its Priest they've always done things like that. And yes correct Maniac i was refering to the solo section in Death that is similar to Dissident Aggressor. Nostradamus is a kick ass album and i can't wait for them to get back in the studio and start recording their next master piece. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, May 22, 2009 10:55:01 AM)
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I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
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I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:55:46 AM |
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I think he was referring to the solo section in Death that makes it sound like Dissident Aggressor. That solo riff is as 70's Priest as it gets. There are plenty of subtle traces that refer to old Priest tunes as was delineated (I might even say Visions sounds like Blood Red Skies). It's like I said, whether or not it's a good album is one thing, and while it's a move in a different direction it's still classic Priest in every way. It can still be embraced by diehard Priest fans as they do any other album. You gotta at least respect Priest's desire to NOT rest on its laurels. At least they didn't attempt to relive their former glories (as evidenced by Angel of Retribution's lyrical references to older songs). I personally love the album because it's got so much ambition, but then again I've been huge on progressive metal bands as of late.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, May 22, 2009 10:55:01 AM)| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM
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I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Friday, May 22, 2009 5:47:11 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM
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I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM
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Well i'll admit the first time i listened to Nostradamus i was a little dissapointed. I thought some of the songs were really boring and slow, yes some of them are slow and mid paced. However 1 year after its release and why do i find myself listening to it more than any other Priest album? I gave it a good chance i played it a few times around and some of the songs really jumped at me. Hell i think most of the 'main songs' on that album are fantastic. Dawn of Creation into Prophecy is goosebump inducing and that track is awesome i love it. Live, it almost brought a tear to my eye. The highlights i find are, Prophecy, Revelations (which has one of the best dark moody sections ever before the end of the song) Pestilence and Plague (Priest proved that they can create hooks even in foreign languages when you didn't know what they were singing, pretty genius i might add), Death (The most evil song ever and it is so moody it is fantastic and it erupts into Dissident Aggressor esc drumming and one of their heaviest riffs), Conquest (coupled with peace definately one of the highlights of the album) and, Persecution (J.D Diamond if you don't think that is Priest style heavy metal then you must be crazy lol one of the heaviest songs of their career with a vocally fantastic chorus and riffage), Alone (should have been a single, it's brilliant and among the best ballads they've written with Angel and Out in the Cold), Nostradamus (definately the most instrumentally impressive song on the album, the band really push theirselves on this, stunning) Future of Mankind (worth listening to for the end riffage but also has one of the best chorus's that they have ever written, love this song) it is a brilliant album and i have all of them from Rocka Rolla through to Nostradamus. I can honestly say it's one of their best. It just needs a chance to get into it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:24:39 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I know they don't do the same album year after year Maniac,they never have...but come on...really....you can't expect traditional heavy metal fans to embrace Nostradamus like they embrace Angel Of Retribution,Painkiller
Defenders Of The Faith,Screaming For Vengeance,British Steel,Hell Bent For Leather.......
I respectfully disagree with you on I don't think Nostradamus is "classic Priest in all intents and purposes at all. It does'nt have the JP sound to me at all,not to my ears. Neither did Turbo or Demolition.
| | | \m/ Metal Maniac \m/ wrote: | | I gotta respectfully disagree on the experimentation aspect, because I don't think Priest has ever stuck to one formula throughout their 30-plus years in metal music. Not one album completely sounds similar to another. Nostradamus is, to me, classic Priest in all intents and purposes. Whether or not it's a good album, well that's different.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Well its obvious that we are talking about two different kinds of "experimenting". The kind of "experimenting" on "Jugulator" is acceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,"Painkiller" and Angel Of Retribution.
The kind of "experimenting" on albums like "Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus" is unacceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,Painkiller,Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..ect...do you get it now or should I draw a bigger picture here? (lol!)?
So I'm pretty sure you didn't need to tell me to "check my facts first"...obviously you don't understand what we are talking about when we mention "experimental". So you better "check yourself for a "prostate exam". LOMFL!!!!!! (lol!)
And you said : "Last time I checked that was illegal" refering to my friend downloading the album for free.....what are YOU going to do about it....run around the world and save the day and turn me in? LOMFA!!! pppffff Give me a break man. LOL!
And ooohhh he used a Wha Wha pedal for both Jugulator and Demolition.......so what? He used one on British Steel(Steeler) also and do we call British Steel an "experimental album"? No.
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I know they don't do the same album year after year Maniac,they never have...but come on...really....you can't expect traditional heavy metal fans to embrace Nostradamus like they embrace Angel Of Retribution,Painkiller
Defenders Of The Faith,Screaming For Vengeance,British Steel,Hell Bent For Leather.......
I respectfully disagree with you on I don't think Nostradamus is "classic Priest in all intents and purposes at all. It does'nt have the JP sound to me at all,not to my ears. Neither did Turbo or Demolition.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by \m/ Metal Maniac \m/ from Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:28:21 PM)| | | \m/ Metal Maniac \m/ wrote: | | I gotta respectfully disagree on the experimentation aspect, because I don't think Priest has ever stuck to one formula throughout their 30-plus years in metal music. Not one album completely sounds similar to another. Nostradamus is, to me, classic Priest in all intents and purposes. Whether or not it's a good album, well that's different.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Well its obvious that we are talking about two different kinds of "experimenting". The kind of "experimenting" on "Jugulator" is acceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,"Painkiller" and Angel Of Retribution.
The kind of "experimenting" on albums like "Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus" is unacceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,Painkiller,Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..ect...do you get it now or should I draw a bigger picture here? (lol!)?
So I'm pretty sure you didn't need to tell me to "check my facts first"...obviously you don't understand what we are talking about when we mention "experimental". So you better "check yourself for a "prostate exam". LOMFL!!!!!! (lol!)
And you said : "Last time I checked that was illegal" refering to my friend downloading the album for free.....what are YOU going to do about it....run around the world and save the day and turn me in? LOMFA!!! pppffff Give me a break man. LOL!
And ooohhh he used a Wha Wha pedal for both Jugulator and Demolition.......so what? He used one on British Steel(Steeler) also and do we call British Steel an "experimental album"? No.
(Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I gotta respectfully disagree on the experimentation aspect, because I don't think Priest has ever stuck to one formula throughout their 30-plus years in metal music. Not one album completely sounds similar to another. Nostradamus is, to me, classic Priest in all intents and purposes. Whether or not it's a good album, well that's different.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:00:16 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Well its obvious that we are talking about two different kinds of "experimenting". The kind of "experimenting" on "Jugulator" is acceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,"Painkiller" and Angel Of Retribution.
The kind of "experimenting" on albums like "Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus" is unacceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,Painkiller,Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..ect...do you get it now or should I draw a bigger picture here? (lol!)?
So I'm pretty sure you didn't need to tell me to "check my facts first"...obviously you don't understand what we are talking about when we mention "experimental". So you better "check yourself for a "prostate exam". LOMFL!!!!!! (lol!)
And you said : "Last time I checked that was illegal" refering to my friend downloading the album for free.....what are YOU going to do about it....run around the world and save the day and turn me in? LOMFA!!! pppffff Give me a break man. LOL!
And ooohhh he used a Wha Wha pedal for both Jugulator and Demolition.......so what? He used one on British Steel(Steeler) also and do we call British Steel an "experimental album"? No.
(Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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Well its obvious that we are talking about two different kinds of "experimenting". The kind of "experimenting" on "Jugulator" is acceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,"Painkiller" and Angel Of Retribution.
The kind of "experimenting" on albums like "Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus" is unacceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,Painkiller,Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..ect...do you get it now or should I draw a bigger picture here? (lol!)?
So I'm pretty sure you didn't need to tell me to "check my facts first"...obviously you don't understand what we are talking about when we mention "experimental". So you better "check yourself for a "prostate exam". LOMFL!!!!!! (lol!)
And you said : "Last time I checked that was illegal" refering to my friend downloading the album for free.....what are YOU going to do about it....run around the world and save the day and turn me in? LOMFA!!! pppffff Give me a break man. LOL!
And ooohhh he used a Wha Wha pedal for both Jugulator and Demolition.......so what? He used one on British Steel(Steeler) also and do we call British Steel an "experimental album"? No.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
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icecreamman wrote: |
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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Ya, K.K. used a Wah-wah-pedal for Jugulator and Demolition. It was the DigiTech WH-4 Whammy 4 (MIDI able).
And he's useing the Dunlop GCB-535F Cry-baby-wah-wah pedal 'til the present!!
Dunlop GCB-535F:
DigiTech WH-4 Whammy 4:
K.K.'s pedalboard during the Jugulator and Demolition era:
GCB-535F > DigiTech WH-4 >
Rocktron MIDI mate MIDI-Foot-Controller
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)| | | icecreamman wrote: | | I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:25:46 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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| [icecreamman] Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:53:22 PM | |
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Last time I checked that was illegal. Also truth be told even KK admits they experimented on Jugalator. Check your facts. |
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screaming in your face heavy meeettt ttttaaaaalllll.AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH what a rush of power J.D DIAMOND THY COMMANDER HELL YEAH
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:25:46 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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Without experimentation, I fear I would never have heard, "Solar Angles, Touch of Evil, Pain and Pleasure, Turbo Lover, Winter, and Dying to meet you, all of which I like. Wouldn't want them to not be in the "Catalouge" I would miss them, and there are many more I would put there too. I admire their work and as far as I'm concerned Troubleshooter, Private Property, Parental Guidance, and I'm not so crazy about Dont go" That's about all I can say out of the How many years now? that I really don't like. I think that's a good track record! I love more songs by Priest than most bands.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:25:46 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:31:54 PM | |
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you forgot lochness. to be fair, it would fit in well on nost.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:25:46 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:43:05 PM)| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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That`s right Head banger!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:44:30 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | yep, they have far different experiences, interests and abilities than us. and they run the show, they produce something different every time out. this one I didnt get, I dont hold it against them though
| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I agree with you Spa! Metal is alive thanks to experimentation! You`ve got another interesting point there. They`re human beings influenced by their personal experiences and the world around.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I think with every album Priest has ever released they have pushed the boundaries and experimented. That's why we have albums like turbo and Point of Entry, which was pretty good, but you'll never hear me say "Man do I wanna hear Troubleshooter live!" NOPE. With experimentation comes so who like and some who don't. There are a couple of songs on Nos, I'm not fond of, but the epic as a whole I enjoy to listen to. As a matter of fact I can never get to the end of "Alone" and not hit repeat. But experimentation is what they do best and the reason they are still relavent today. If they released another Painkiller, people would say they've gone round the bend, it was a good album, but life progresses forward and so do they.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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yep, they have far different experiences, interests and abilities than us. and they run the show, they produce something different every time out. this one I didnt get, I dont hold it against them though
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:05:42 PM)| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I agree with you Spa! Metal is alive thanks to experimentation! You`ve got another interesting point there. They`re human beings influenced by their personal experiences and the world around.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I think with every album Priest has ever released they have pushed the boundaries and experimented. That's why we have albums like turbo and Point of Entry, which was pretty good, but you'll never hear me say "Man do I wanna hear Troubleshooter live!" NOPE. With experimentation comes so who like and some who don't. There are a couple of songs on Nos, I'm not fond of, but the epic as a whole I enjoy to listen to. As a matter of fact I can never get to the end of "Alone" and not hit repeat. But experimentation is what they do best and the reason they are still relavent today. If they released another Painkiller, people would say they've gone round the bend, it was a good album, but life progresses forward and so do they.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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| [chileansteel] Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:48:42 PM | |
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Nice stated Icecreamman!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:36:35 PM)| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Rock n Roll or Metal would not exist if not for experimentation. We would all be listening to jazz. Every Priest album has personality, beuase they are all different.
Nostradomus is great, I love it. There is no comparison to it. Nostradomus is not my favorite JP album, but it is the one that captures me.
By the way there is not any generic form of heavy metal. Thrash would not exist if it was.
AC/DC is a great band, they are one of my favorite bands. But every one of their albums sound the same. I listen to them in small portions. I can listen to Priest album after Priest album for months. Becuase they are different.
I also thought metal was about not being the same. Standing out from the crowd. Why be generic? If you think Priest are going to go generic than "You've got another thing comin' ."
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| [icecreamman] Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:43:05 PM | |
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:03:53 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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Rock n Roll or Metal would not exist if not for experimentation. We would all be listening to jazz. Every Priest album has personality, beuase they are all different.
Nostradomus is great, I love it. There is no comparison to it. Nostradomus is not my favorite JP album, but it is the one that captures me.
By the way there is not any generic form of heavy metal. Thrash would not exist if it was.
AC/DC is a great band, they are one of my favorite bands. But every one of their albums sound the same. I listen to them in small portions. I can listen to Priest album after Priest album for months. Becuase they are different.
I also thought metal was about not being the same. Standing out from the crowd. Why be generic? If you think Priest are going to go generic than "You've got another thing comin' ."
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Thank you C.S.!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 7:05:42 PM)| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I agree with you Spa! Metal is alive thanks to experimentation! You`ve got another interesting point there. They`re human beings influenced by their personal experiences and the world around.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I think with every album Priest has ever released they have pushed the boundaries and experimented. That's why we have albums like turbo and Point of Entry, which was pretty good, but you'll never hear me say "Man do I wanna hear Troubleshooter live!" NOPE. With experimentation comes so who like and some who don't. There are a couple of songs on Nos, I'm not fond of, but the epic as a whole I enjoy to listen to. As a matter of fact I can never get to the end of "Alone" and not hit repeat. But experimentation is what they do best and the reason they are still relavent today. If they released another Painkiller, people would say they've gone round the bend, it was a good album, but life progresses forward and so do they.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I agree with you Spa! Metal is alive thanks to experimentation! You`ve got another interesting point there. They`re human beings influenced by their personal experiences and the world around.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:30:37 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I think with every album Priest has ever released they have pushed the boundaries and experimented. That's why we have albums like turbo and Point of Entry, which was pretty good, but you'll never hear me say "Man do I wanna hear Troubleshooter live!" NOPE. With experimentation comes so who like and some who don't. There are a couple of songs on Nos, I'm not fond of, but the epic as a whole I enjoy to listen to. As a matter of fact I can never get to the end of "Alone" and not hit repeat. But experimentation is what they do best and the reason they are still relavent today. If they released another Painkiller, people would say they've gone round the bend, it was a good album, but life progresses forward and so do they.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I think with every album Priest has ever released they have pushed the boundaries and experimented. That's why we have albums like turbo and Point of Entry, which was pretty good, but you'll never hear me say "Man do I wanna hear Troubleshooter live!" NOPE. With experimentation comes so who like and some who don't. There are a couple of songs on Nos, I'm not fond of, but the epic as a whole I enjoy to listen to. As a matter of fact I can never get to the end of "Alone" and not hit repeat. But experimentation is what they do best and the reason they are still relavent today. If they released another Painkiller, people would say they've gone round the bend, it was a good album, but life progresses forward and so do they.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:03:53 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:24:41 PM | |
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yep. heck I like turbo.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 6:18:06 PM)| | | chileansteel wrote: | | Of course it`s not. There's no accounting for taste. Don`t you think?
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NOSTRADAMUS IS A SUCCESS, FAR FROM A FAILURE... VERY EPIC IN FACT..
Now I understand JD.. You never had the album and had the chance to listen to it straight through with the lyrics and cds..
(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:03:53 PM)
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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The first pass I was not impressed but as I listened more closely and focused on the creativeness I was amazed at some of the things this album brought. Is it my favorite? No. But like most albums there are bright and not so bright moments. It's a far beyond TURBO, Point of Entry, and RAM IT DOWN which also had some bright spots (Blood Red Skies, Out in the Cold, Hot Rockin).
Bottom line....good or bad it's Judas Priest which fuels my metal urges.
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Of course it`s not. There's no accounting for taste. Don`t you think?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:59:33 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | I own it, have listened all the way thru, and dont like it. lots do, in fact I wish more people did like it, but some dont. its not wrong.
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NOSTRADAMUS IS A SUCCESS, FAR FROM A FAILURE... VERY EPIC IN FACT..
Now I understand JD.. You never had the album and had the chance to listen to it straight through with the lyrics and cds..
(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:03:53 PM)
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I`m with you! It`s difficult to create a concept album and Judas Priest did it wonderfully!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by B Dharma from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:46:35 PM)| | | B Dharma wrote: | |
NOSTRADAMUS IS A SUCCESS, FAR FROM A FAILURE... VERY EPIC IN FACT..
Now I understand JD.. You never had the album and had the chance to listen to it straight through with the lyrics and cds..
(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:03:53 PM)
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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The debate goes on and on...
We cannot deny that experimentation is good. It refreshes the bands and gives them new ideas to add colour and dimentions to their music.
Anyway, following your logic, you`ve nothing to worry about.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:03:53 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I own it, have listened all the way thru, and dont like it. lots do, in fact I wish more people did like it, but some dont. its not wrong.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by B Dharma from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:46:35 PM)| | | B Dharma wrote: | |
NOSTRADAMUS IS A SUCCESS, FAR FROM A FAILURE... VERY EPIC IN FACT..
Now I understand JD.. You never had the album and had the chance to listen to it straight through with the lyrics and cds..
(Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:03:53 PM)
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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NOSTRADAMUS IS A SUCCESS, FAR FROM A FAILURE... VERY EPIC IN FACT..
Now I understand JD.. You never had the album and had the chance to listen to it straight through with the lyrics and cds..
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:03:53 PM)
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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NOSTADAMUS is brilliant,
I'm so surprised that there are some like JD who can't enjoy it. It's progressive elements and intellectual writing are what the PRIEST fans crave.
And yes, there are PLENTY of metal moments on the album. Halford's vocals are some of the BEST he's ever accomplished. The double leads and solos are astonishing in parts, especially Tipton's solo on P&P( maybe his best) which leads into a GREAT double lead..
What's not to like about EXILED or PERSECUTION, or even FUTURE OF MANKIND?? I just don't get it..
This album ranks with the BEST that PRIEST has EVER done.. AOR is a great album but pales in comparison to the spectacle and vision of NOSTRADAMUS..
Adam
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:04:51 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Really? I don't. Nostradamus is one of the 3 worst Judas Priest albums out of the band's 16 studio album career......Turbo,,Demolition and Nostradamus.Thats just my opinion,but I still hate those albums.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually I know many other metal fans who are not Priest Freaks who love Nostradomus.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:30:33 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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Really? I don't. Nostradamus is one of the 3 worst Judas Priest albums out of the band's 16 studio album career......Turbo,,Demolition and Nostradamus.Thats just my opinion,but I still hate those albums.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:24:20 PM)| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually I know many other metal fans who are not Priest Freaks who love Nostradomus.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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| [icecreamman] Wednesday, May 20, 2009 12:24:20 PM | |
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Actually I know many other metal fans who are not Priest Freaks who love Nostradomus.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:30:33 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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I still dont get the hate for Nostradamus, i really like it a lot
But as for a new album, i hope they do go back a bit, give 'experimenting' a rest for a bit, and make another Painkiller, or DOTF style album again (I'm happy either way, lol)
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:25:11 PM)| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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| [chileansteel] Tuesday, May 19, 2009 9:04:39 PM | |
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Thanks Spa!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:28:20 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Well put C.S.! Bravo!
| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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Well put C.S.! Bravo!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:25:11 PM)| | | chileansteel wrote: | | I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:10:52 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:10:52 PM | |
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Cobras-Aura from Friday, May 15, 2009 3:11:15 AM)| | | Cobras-Aura wrote: | | I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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| [Screamin' Demon] Friday, May 15, 2009 3:11:15 AM | |
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. |
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| [icecreamman] Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:29:47 PM | |
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| I wish I could go back and see Priest and AC/DC in 1979. Before my time unfortunatly......... |
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| [icecreamman] Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:25:41 PM | |
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Yes that would be great, and hard to do. But they are Priest you know.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:35:44 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | That would be so cool if the next Judas Priest album was thier "BEST" album of ALL TIME. That would be hard to do,but what if they pulled it off?
An album that could top Sad Wings Of Destiny,British Steel and Painkiller....one that could top all 3..........that would be the best present ever. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:35:44 PM | |
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That would be so cool if the next Judas Priest album was thier "BEST" album of ALL TIME. That would be hard to do,but what if they pulled it off?
An album that could top Sad Wings Of Destiny,British Steel and Painkiller....one that could top all 3..........that would be the best present ever. |
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:33:35 AM | |
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Yo Pipen, Halford quit smoking sometime last year in the middle of the Metal Masters tour. And as for their being a next time i think there will be. Halford said in a recent interview that Priest will continue to make metal until they get tired and then followed to say that they certainly don't feel tired yet. That was a couple of months ago so i think we can expect at least one more from them. I pray they make another i really do something heavy as Hell!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by pipen from Friday, April 24, 2009 9:27:09 AM)| | | pipen wrote: | | I like Nostradamus but i want a more heavy album next time, if there will be one?
It don't have to be like Painkiller but a little bit more straight ahead so to speak.
And Halford should quit his smoking and do some exercise cos I think that would bring back some of his voice, I don't expect him to sound like he did in the 80 ies and i don't mean to diss him cos he is and will always be the metal god in my eyes but to be fair, he sounds a bit too straind sometimes I think.
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:32:36 AM | |
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Yo Pipen, Halford quit smoking sometime last year in the middle of the Metal Masters tour. And as for their being a next time i think there will be. Halford said in a recent interview that Priest will continue to make metal until they get tired and then followed to say that they certainly don't feel tired yet. That was a couple of months ago so i think we can expect at least one more from them. I pray they make another i really do something heavy as Hell!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by pipen from Friday, April 24, 2009 9:27:09 AM)| | | pipen wrote: | | I like Nostradamus but i want a more heavy album next time, if there will be one?
It don't have to be like Painkiller but a little bit more straight ahead so to speak.
And Halford should quit his smoking and do some exercise cos I think that would bring back some of his voice, I don't expect him to sound like he did in the 80 ies and i don't mean to diss him cos he is and will always be the metal god in my eyes but to be fair, he sounds a bit too straind sometimes I think.
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| [icecreamman] Monday, April 27, 2009 12:53:23 PM | |
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| Maybe this British Steel tour might inspire some the classic metal in JP. |
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| [pipen] Friday, April 24, 2009 9:27:09 AM | |
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I like Nostradamus but i want a more heavy album next time, if there will be one?
It don't have to be like Painkiller but a little bit more straight ahead so to speak.
And Halford should quit his smoking and do some exercise cos I think that would bring back some of his voice, I don't expect him to sound like he did in the 80 ies and i don't mean to diss him cos he is and will always be the metal god in my eyes but to be fair, he sounds a bit too straind sometimes I think.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:02:26 AM | |
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(lol!) ha ha becks,thats what I was thinking too!! !!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, April 17, 2009 4:30:22 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Hahaha HB, you just gave me a mental image of JP singing their shopping lists
| | | Head banger wrote: | | there are those who truly love everything the band does. great fans
there are those who like a lot of what the band does, great fans
there are those who talk as though the band can do no wrong. not sure what they are. fanboys, starstruck, deaf???
a fan has the right to like of not like the album as they chose. I wont buy the album if they read their grocery list. I dont like nost, I like turbo though. we are all different, and will all voice our opinions. those who say that we cant say negative things, are wrong.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah hellrider,I'm with ya!!! If I did'nt bash the band alittle than I'm nothing more than a "fan-boy" who says everything Priest does is 100% awsome regarless of what it is.
There are fans that would even like a Priest album even if it sounded like Green Day...I am not one of those fans..I want the best out of Judas Priest and the best is what they do "best'....
hard screaming heavy metal is the word here hellrider,you got it down my friend!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | i hope and prey its in the vien of the mighty paaaaaaaainkillllllllller.hard core,fast,screaming,bashing metal.HELL YEAH MY FRIEND
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (HALFORD METAL GOD SCREAM
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I seriously hope that Judas Priest return to thier heavy metal "roots" on the next album.....if there is going to be a "next album"? If they do decide to record again,I hope it is in the vien of Angel Of Retribution.Nostradamus was to experimental,and way to long,very un-Priest-like.Say what you will,say you like the Nostradamus album,say that its the best...blah blah blah blah....it is not Judas Priest,and its not Judas Priest at thier best.
Over an hour and a half of soft,ballad-like tracks was not my idea of fun when I listened to this LP.
Sad,bummed out and confused is more what I felt. Everybody has an opinion and mine is not "valid" to say that mine is right,but what I can say is that the Nostradamus album was not "Judas Priest's style". For the life of me I can't understand why this band feels the need to "do something different"? If they do not like thier original style/sound anymore,than maybe the band should think about hanging up the leathers and playing golf from here on out,that would be fine by me.I would rather see them retire than keep putting out albums like the experimental Demolition and Nostradamus. |
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| [Roger_ Blade] Friday, April 17, 2009 8:03:46 PM | |
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Man I think you have told that story about 50 times already.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, April 17, 2009 5:40:53 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah Head Banger your right here,as usual my friend. I'm not saying that nobody should not like "Turbo",but to me it is a sore subject! lol!
I was 16 years old at that time turbo was released(1986) and coming off an album titled 'Defenders Of The Faith" I was phyched out for the new album....
...and then came "Turbo"!!!!!!! (lol!) Dude,...all of you would laugh your asses off if you could of seen the shitty expression on my sad face when I got home and put it on the turn table(of course there were no CDs back then)!!!!!
I almost freaking "cried" head banger...I think there were tears building up in my eyes...I was bummed out for months!! Actually...I think I was bummed out untill the release date of 1988's Ram It Down!! That album may not be Priest's best but the title track,the song Heavy Metal..Come And Get It...Hard As Iron,Blood Red Skies...it was leaps and bounds better than Turbo!! lol! Man I just could'nt understand "WHY" they did a 180 turn from Defenders and chose to do Turbo...that was anything but defending the heavy metal faith. lol! But to each his own,thats for sure.
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there are those who truly love everything the band does. great fans
there are those who like a lot of what the band does, great fans
there are those who talk as though the band can do no wrong. not sure what they are. fanboys, starstruck, deaf???
a fan has the right to like of not like the album as they chose. I wont buy the album if they read their grocery list. I dont like nost, I like turbo though. we are all different, and will all voice our opinions. those who say that we cant say negative things, are wrong.
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Yeah hellrider,I'm with ya!!! If I did'nt bash the band alittle than I'm nothing more than a "fan-boy" who says everything Priest does is 100% awsome regarless of what it is.
There are fans that would even like a Priest album even if it sounded like Green Day...I am not one of those fans..I want the best out of Judas Priest and the best is what they do "best'....
hard screaming heavy metal is the word here hellrider,you got it down my friend!!!
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i hope and prey its in the vien of the mighty paaaaaaaainkillllllllller.hard core,fast,screaming,bashing metal.HELL YEAH MY FRIEND
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (HALFORD METAL GOD SCREAM
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I seriously hope that Judas Priest return to thier heavy metal "roots" on the next album.....if there is going to be a "next album"? If they do decide to record again,I hope it is in the vien of Angel Of Retribution.Nostradamus was to experimental,and way to long,very un-Priest-like.Say what you will,say you like the Nostradamus album,say that its the best...blah blah blah blah....it is not Judas Priest,and its not Judas Priest at thier best.
Over an hour and a half of soft,ballad-like tracks was not my idea of fun when I listened to this LP.
Sad,bummed out and confused is more what I felt. Everybody has an opinion and mine is not "valid" to say that mine is right,but what I can say is that the Nostradamus album was not "Judas Priest's style". For the life of me I can't understand why this band feels the need to "do something different"? If they do not like thier original style/sound anymore,than maybe the band should think about hanging up the leathers and playing golf from here on out,that would be fine by me.I would rather see them retire than keep putting out albums like the experimental Demolition and Nostradamus.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 17, 2009 5:40:53 PM | |
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Yeah Head Banger your right here,as usual my friend. I'm not saying that nobody should not like "Turbo",but to me it is a sore subject! lol!
I was 16 years old at that time turbo was released(1986) and coming off an album titled 'Defenders Of The Faith" I was phyched out for the new album....
...and then came "Turbo"!!!!!!! (lol!) Dude,...all of you would laugh your asses off if you could of seen the shitty expression on my sad face when I got home and put it on the turn table(of course there were no CDs back then)!!!!!
I almost freaking "cried" head banger...I think there were tears building up in my eyes...I was bummed out for months!! Actually...I think I was bummed out untill the release date of 1988's Ram It Down!! That album may not be Priest's best but the title track,the song Heavy Metal..Come And Get It...Hard As Iron,Blood Red Skies...it was leaps and bounds better than Turbo!! lol! Man I just could'nt understand "WHY" they did a 180 turn from Defenders and chose to do Turbo...that was anything but defending the heavy metal faith. lol! But to each his own,thats for sure.
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there are those who truly love everything the band does. great fans
there are those who like a lot of what the band does, great fans
there are those who talk as though the band can do no wrong. not sure what they are. fanboys, starstruck, deaf???
a fan has the right to like of not like the album as they chose. I wont buy the album if they read their grocery list. I dont like nost, I like turbo though. we are all different, and will all voice our opinions. those who say that we cant say negative things, are wrong.
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Yeah hellrider,I'm with ya!!! If I did'nt bash the band alittle than I'm nothing more than a "fan-boy" who says everything Priest does is 100% awsome regarless of what it is.
There are fans that would even like a Priest album even if it sounded like Green Day...I am not one of those fans..I want the best out of Judas Priest and the best is what they do "best'....
hard screaming heavy metal is the word here hellrider,you got it down my friend!!!
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i hope and prey its in the vien of the mighty paaaaaaaainkillllllllller.hard core,fast,screaming,bashing metal.HELL YEAH MY FRIEND
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (HALFORD METAL GOD SCREAM
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I seriously hope that Judas Priest return to thier heavy metal "roots" on the next album.....if there is going to be a "next album"? If they do decide to record again,I hope it is in the vien of Angel Of Retribution.Nostradamus was to experimental,and way to long,very un-Priest-like.Say what you will,say you like the Nostradamus album,say that its the best...blah blah blah blah....it is not Judas Priest,and its not Judas Priest at thier best.
Over an hour and a half of soft,ballad-like tracks was not my idea of fun when I listened to this LP.
Sad,bummed out and confused is more what I felt. Everybody has an opinion and mine is not "valid" to say that mine is right,but what I can say is that the Nostradamus album was not "Judas Priest's style". For the life of me I can't understand why this band feels the need to "do something different"? If they do not like thier original style/sound anymore,than maybe the band should think about hanging up the leathers and playing golf from here on out,that would be fine by me.I would rather see them retire than keep putting out albums like the experimental Demolition and Nostradamus.
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| [Becks] Friday, April 17, 2009 4:30:22 PM | |
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Hahaha HB, you just gave me a mental image of JP singing their shopping lists
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 17, 2009 7:42:54 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | there are those who truly love everything the band does. great fans
there are those who like a lot of what the band does, great fans
there are those who talk as though the band can do no wrong. not sure what they are. fanboys, starstruck, deaf???
a fan has the right to like of not like the album as they chose. I wont buy the album if they read their grocery list. I dont like nost, I like turbo though. we are all different, and will all voice our opinions. those who say that we cant say negative things, are wrong.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah hellrider,I'm with ya!!! If I did'nt bash the band alittle than I'm nothing more than a "fan-boy" who says everything Priest does is 100% awsome regarless of what it is.
There are fans that would even like a Priest album even if it sounded like Green Day...I am not one of those fans..I want the best out of Judas Priest and the best is what they do "best'....
hard screaming heavy metal is the word here hellrider,you got it down my friend!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | i hope and prey its in the vien of the mighty paaaaaaaainkillllllllller.hard core,fast,screaming,bashing metal.HELL YEAH MY FRIEND
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (HALFORD METAL GOD SCREAM
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I seriously hope that Judas Priest return to thier heavy metal "roots" on the next album.....if there is going to be a "next album"? If they do decide to record again,I hope it is in the vien of Angel Of Retribution.Nostradamus was to experimental,and way to long,very un-Priest-like.Say what you will,say you like the Nostradamus album,say that its the best...blah blah blah blah....it is not Judas Priest,and its not Judas Priest at thier best.
Over an hour and a half of soft,ballad-like tracks was not my idea of fun when I listened to this LP.
Sad,bummed out and confused is more what I felt. Everybody has an opinion and mine is not "valid" to say that mine is right,but what I can say is that the Nostradamus album was not "Judas Priest's style". For the life of me I can't understand why this band feels the need to "do something different"? If they do not like thier original style/sound anymore,than maybe the band should think about hanging up the leathers and playing golf from here on out,that would be fine by me.I would rather see them retire than keep putting out albums like the experimental Demolition and Nostradamus. |
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