Dont forget 1916.

That album is fucking horrible.

Give or take like 4 or 5 songs.

Like I said,its "alright". Back At The Funny Farm is an excellent track,so is "Shine",Another Perfect Day the song is cool too,but I hate "Dancing On Your Grave" ,the guitars sound like Van Halen/Hagar although this record came out long before Hagar was a part of Van Halen I know,but those riffs on that song sound Van Hagarish and it kills it for me,not only that track but one other I can't remember right now. The album is not shit,I'm not calling it that but its my least favorite album in Motorhead's discography besides the worst album "March Or Die".  I wouldn't say that Another Perfect Day sounds the closest to traditional british heavy metal. I would say that 2004 "Inferno" is not only the best Motorhead album of all time but the closest sound to traditional british heavy metal. I guess its just all about opinions really,but cool to hear each others outlook.

		jimmyjames wrote:
		Can't understand why you don't rate Another Perfect Day. As far as traditional British heavy metal goes I would say APD is the closest album they have to that. Songs like APD, Dancing On Your Grave, I Got Mine and Shine would be right up your alley, I would have thought.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote: Eahhhhwelll they really are NOT a "heavy metal" band jimmy,but really I can see "what" your saying.But thier "sound" is not so much metal to my ears,its "heavy rock".  Lemmy has said it too about this very subject,Motorhead are rock and roll but again,I can definately understand what you are saying,because as I mentioned they do dip in and out of traditional heavy metal riffs and sounds,so I can see your point.      jimmyjames wrote: I reckon Motorhead were a loud rock n roll band up until about 86-87, On Orgasmatron an Rock N Roll they became more metal. They do still do a few rock n rolly type songs but i think they have a more metal sound these days.

Well of course Motorhead!!!! lol!!!!!  But Motorhead are really not a "heavy metal" band,they are a "rock" band as Lemmy says October 2nd at the Showbox down town Seattle..."Hellow Seattle",....."We are Motorhead".....and We Play Rock And Roll....Weve come to kick your ass!!! lol!!!!  But some of Motorhead's riffs dip into the realm of traditional british heavy metal from time to time really,I can see people throwing them in with heavy metal artists like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.Saxon are both rock and roll and traditional heavy metal,Biff has said that many times,he says thier albums are made up of classic rock songs and traditional british heavy metal. 

But going back to Motorhead,yeah they are fucking consistant!! 19 studio albums and only 2 of them are under-par....well,I actually don't mind the 1983 album"Another Perfect Day",it may not be thier best but I still like the LP.But 1992"March Or Die" is just not Motorhead to me,too commercial,the songs were really not good and thats the album that has "I Ain't No Nice Guy After All"..the one crappy ballad with Ozzy..yuk!!  That whole album is just lame to me,but hey only one album out of 19 is pretty damn impressive!!! Motorhead may be the most consistant band EVER.

		jimmyjames wrote:
		And Motorhead.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   Yeah I know Freeze,your right.But I still would rather not even see the band if I got a kick ass album.Take the Painkiller tour,they didn't come to Seattle on that tour,but I didn't care because I got a kick ass album.I would rather have a great album and not even see the band.Other people don't see it this way,as the majority of fans want to grab a six pack and hear Breaking The Law for the umteenth time,so that is just not for me. I'm not interested in seeing the band live really,I'm interested in hearing something new and kick ass from them.But if I want a band that cranks out album after album,I'll have Saxon to thrive on then lol!!!!      Deep Freeze wrote:   I see your point man but I figure Priest tours so much because they are legends and people want to see them. They have put out SO much material that a Priest song is everywhere you look. Touring keeps the band close to the fans and I would think that is why they are so into it. Of course, this is all conjecture on my part but it does make sense when you think about it. I read something once where Glenn mentioned that the band has an abundance of material and always does, even when they finish an album. Putting out another is likely not high on their list since they have so much material available. I think he said they always have a few songs that do not make the album so they just shelve them. Things like concept albums are more important to them since it offers them a chance to do something different and does not include old or pre-written material. The fact that the record label wants new albums is clear by virtue of the "live" release. Priest have earned the right to do it their way, when they choose. I get that. As for what they may or may not "owe" us, I figure they try to meet that obligation by touring so much.     (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:27:40 PM)   J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   The thing that stings me with Nostradamus is that the day they released it, of course I didn't like it,but I knew that it would be 4 fucking LONG years before  we got another studio album from this band that is the slowest band at releasing studio material!!!!   Fuckin A man,look at Saxon yet again,they released Lionheart in 2004,they released The Inner Sanctum in 2007 but that was only because Biff's house burned down to the ground in France,that was the ONLY reason they waited that long to release The Inner Sanctum in March 2007,but they released "Into The Labyrinth" in January 2009 so thats not even 2 years apart!!!  They will probably release ANOTHER studio album BEFORE Judas Priest releases thier next studio album.Saxon are able to do this because thier tours are much much shorter than Priests,I just wish Priest would not tour as much so that they could focus on releasing new material.I would rather have a brand new LP and miss the concert than wait 4 long years just so I could see the band.Give us more music!!!    (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:28:49 AM)   Deep Freeze wrote:   I understand that HB. I guess what I am saying is, I understand where Max is coming from as far as what has been offered over the last few years. If one is inclined to want a "heavier" sound, the likes of which JD, 'Rider and Max have been discussing, then one could make the argument that Nostra was "selfish" or at the very least not what they were looking for in an album, yet there are an abundance of albums that offer the same songs from "glory years" that have simply been re-packaged and offered as various "Best Ofs". I get that. Like you, I do not think it is some calculated effort on the band's part to seperate us from our money by playing on our devotion. I would be more inclined to believe that it is a marketing ploy by management or the record label. I just cannot picture Glenn sitting by the fire at his 150 year old, oak desk in the "parlor" of his estate, wearing a visor and monacle and tapping on an adding machine with stacks of gold coins in front of him as he totals up all his earnings from the hapless "sheep" that continue to purchase his re-hashed material in fancy new packages. Edited at: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:28:32 PM Edited at: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:48:48 PM

I see your point man but I figure Priest tours so much because they are legends and people want to see them. They have put out SO much material that a Priest song is everywhere you look. Touring keeps the band close to the fans and I would think that is why they are so into it. Of course, this is all conjecture on my part but it does make sense when you think about it.

I read something once where Glenn mentioned that the band has an abundance of material and always does, even when they finish an album. Putting out another is likely not high on their list since they have so much material available. I think he said they always have a few songs that do not make the album so they just shelve them. Things like concept albums are more important to them since it offers them a chance to do something different and does not include old or pre-written material. The fact that the record label wants new albums is clear by virtue of the "live" release.

Priest have earned the right to do it their way, when they choose. I get that. As for what they may or may not "owe" us, I figure they try to meet that obligation by touring so much. 

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		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		The thing that stings me with Nostradamus is that the day they released it, of course I didn't like it,but I knew that it would be 4 fucking LONG years before  we got another studio album from this band that is the slowest band at releasing studio material!!!!   Fuckin A man,look at Saxon yet again,they released Lionheart in 2004,they released The Inner Sanctum in 2007 but that was only because Biff's house burned down to the ground in France,that was the ONLY reason they waited that long to release The Inner Sanctum in March 2007,but they released "Into The Labyrinth" in January 2009 so thats not even 2 years apart!!!  They will probably release ANOTHER studio album BEFORE Judas Priest releases thier next studio album.Saxon are able to do this because thier tours are much much shorter than Priests,I just wish Priest would not tour as much so that they could focus on releasing new material.I would rather have a brand new LP and miss the concert than wait 4 long years just so I could see the band.Give us more music!!!    (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:28:49 AM)   Deep Freeze wrote:   I understand that HB. I guess what I am saying is, I understand where Max is coming from as far as what has been offered over the last few years. If one is inclined to want a "heavier" sound, the likes of which JD, 'Rider and Max have been discussing, then one could make the argument that Nostra was "selfish" or at the very least not what they were looking for in an album, yet there are an abundance of albums that offer the same songs from "glory years" that have simply been re-packaged and offered as various "Best Ofs". I get that. Like you, I do not think it is some calculated effort on the band's part to seperate us from our money by playing on our devotion. I would be more inclined to believe that it is a marketing ploy by management or the record label. I just cannot picture Glenn sitting by the fire at his 150 year old, oak desk in the "parlor" of his estate, wearing a visor and monacle and tapping on an adding machine with stacks of gold coins in front of him as he totals up all his earnings from the hapless "sheep" that continue to purchase his re-hashed material in fancy new packages. Edited at: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:28:32 PM

The majority of best of's are marketed by the record companies and not the band. They endorsed one. The remasters.  Sony, who was not their company at the time, they released the Metalworks, which I believe the band was a bit short about it because it was not the back log they would have personally chosen, just like their original record company, Gull records who has released Sad Wings and  Rocka Rolla in so many formats it is rediculous. Once again, the band has no control over these "Bests" and I feel they owe us nothing but an excellent show, which they always deliver, and excellent future albums, as many as we can get. They are probably close to retirement, but I'm sure the next CD will be awesome, and in the vein of what we all crave.  So, what is all the bitching about?  The band has been on the road for almost 2 years solid. I don't recall any of you bitching when you were going to see a show, now just wait, and you shall be rewarded with a very asskicking CD!
And that's all I've got to say about this.

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		Deep Freeze wrote:
		As I said, to a degree. I should think that the majority of decisions regarding album releases are a management issue, not a band personnel decision. I have to agree with Max as far as all of the "Best Of" crap. Like I said, how many do you need and just who says that any one particular song is the "best" or one of the "best"? That has always bugged me. As far as "owing" the fans, well...I guess one could argue that we are the ones that pay the bills..in a way. Still, I hardly think that in and of itself is going to affect what they do next. I am sure they have a plan.      Head banger wrote:   just so I understand, where you "get" what max is saying your understanding it right?       Deep Freeze wrote:   OK I suppose I will chime in now. While I am rather "put off" by the adjectives being used, I truly think I "get" what Max is saying...to a degree, anyway. I mean, there are way more than enough "Best Of" albums out there and besides, who is it that decides what is "best" for these albums anyway?? I mean, I may not necessarily agree with the song choices! It is quite like a decision that is made by the record company anyway...not the band. I guess it is the right of all fans to have an opinion. I hardly think Rob or the guys are cackling with sinister glee as they count the money they have earned from their fanbase. They play the music we love and we buy the CDs and go to the gigs...perfect symbiotic relationship I suppose. I would think that the whole "British Steel Anniversary" tour this year is a GREAT example of marketing. Whether or not it was the band's idea or the management's is anyone's guess around this place. I lost Jayne's number and cannot call to ask her. I think it is really about what each individual fan wants and what they are willing to spend. If there is nothing there that I want, I don't buy anything. I still have not purchased Nostra. I am not interested in it. Does not mean there is a focused effort to deny me anything.

OK I suppose I will chime in now. While I am rather "put off" by the adjectives being used, I truly think I "get" what Max is saying...to a degree, anyway. I mean, there are way more than enough "Best Of" albums out there and besides, who is it that decides what is "best" for these albums anyway?? I mean, I may not necessarily agree with the song choices! It is quite like a decision that is made by the record company anyway...not the band.

I guess it is the right of all fans to have an opinion. I hardly think Rob or the guys are cackling with sinister glee as they count the money they have earned from their fanbase. They play the music we love and we buy the CDs and go to the gigs...perfect symbiotic relationship I suppose. I would think that the whole "British Steel Anniversary" tour this year is a GREAT example of marketing. Whether or not it was the band's idea or the management's is anyone's guess around this place. I lost Jayne's number and cannot call to ask her.

I think it is really about what each individual fan wants and what they are willing to spend. If there is nothing there that I want, I don't buy anything. I still have not purchased Nostra. I am not interested in it. Does not mean there is a focused effort to deny me anything.