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[Head banger] Friday, February 27, 2009 7:16:06 AM 
I knew that.  my leftwingers are the only killers was a joke
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 27, 2009 2:14:59 AM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 27, 2009 2:14:59 AM 
No, lol, oj is a typo, when my finger was looking for the "k" but found "j" instead. The guy OJ may be a killer, but he is funny as hell too.

Killing people does mean that they are deprieved of rights... But killing people is not restricted to leftists. Hitler was a far-right winger, killed millions. So did the right winged Catholic church + the eastern Orthodox churches who killed a whole lotta people, and ruled Europe through an oppresive feudalist system that lasted for over a millenium. So much for freedom.

In any case, I would say that the only conclusion that makes sense is that politics and ideologies are far to complicated to be simply divided into "left vs. right". State vs. anti-State is another matter that was divided into the left -right labels there. Marxists and anarchists are both left wing ideologies and both strive for a stateless, classless society. How much more anti-state can you get? And how about the right winger Franco, who ruled Spain with an iron hand from 1930s to 70s?

And I do wonder what gay rights activists must think of the idea of "freedom loving rightwingers".
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:25:43 PM)
[Bev] Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:51:39 PM 
Well, there you have it.  There is something fundamentally wrong with being either one or the other.  It makes more sense to apply combinations of either dependent upon the circumstance.  Now that the problem has been identified, what's the solution.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:50:54 PM)
[Head banger] Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:25:43 PM 
oj is a old football player who killed people, killing people means he deprived them of rights, so is a leftist.
that said, this is the truth.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:00:28 PM)
[_strat_] Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:00:28 PM 
Oj, just to make sure... Is this serious or is it a joke? In any case, its an epic fail.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:50:54 PM)
[Head banger] Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:50:54 PM 

The Right-Left Political Matrix

Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM

The Political Left Believes:

-That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests;
-In the primacy of the collective over the individual;
-That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state;
-That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others);
-That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all;
-That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen;
-That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives);
-That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals;
-That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state;
-That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior;
-That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable;
-That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages;
-That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs);
-That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil;
-That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another.

The Political Right Believes:

-That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests;
-That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society;
-That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law;
-That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it;
-That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property;
-That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility;
-That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken;
-That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined;
-That the best government is that which governs least;
-That individuals are accountable for their own actions;
-That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute;
-That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources;
-That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours);
-That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior;
-That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally.

***

This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.

[_strat_] Friday, February 20, 2009 4:28:02 PM 
Yup. Behold the latest advance in Islamic AA technology!


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 20, 2009 4:19:56 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 20, 2009 4:19:56 PM 
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 20, 2009 3:53:30 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 20, 2009 3:53:30 PM 
Wouldnt that be "Moamer"? And he says Reagan was a dog, and that he spend the entire war throwing his shoes in the direction of the US jets.

Saddam loves him, tho.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 20, 2009 8:32:59 AM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 20, 2009 8:32:59 AM 
Why not give our old pal Momar in Lybia a call and ask him what he thinks it meant?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 20, 2009 5:18:41 AM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 20, 2009 5:18:41 AM 
I dont think so...

"Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall!" may have meant: "Get dat dang wall off ma property!"
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, February 20, 2009 5:10:29 AM)
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Friday, February 20, 2009 5:10:29 AM 
Ummmm...strat?  I believe that would be coincidence.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:44:25 AM)
[_strat_] Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:44:25 AM 
Pst... Freeze, Lebensraum to the north... Go, exterminate the untermoose...

I couldnt help but noticing... Why are the first two letters of "Redneck" the same as the first two letters of "Reagan"? Any thoughts?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:17:02 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:17:02 PM 
Hitler..Obama  Hitler...Obama..Hitler...Obama....
BWWWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[_strat_] Monday, February 16, 2009 3:00:58 PM 

Oh, yeah... If a socialist wins an election, thats a fraud by default.

More than 40% voted against him, the referendum was monitored, no armed guards next to the ballot boxes. His victory was cleaner than Bushes first.

Maybe he just won because he actualy did something for the Venezuelans?


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 16, 2009 2:04:22 PM)
[Head banger] Monday, February 16, 2009 2:04:22 PM 
sure, what are the odds that people there felt safe to vote how they wanted?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 16, 2009 1:53:02 PM)
[_strat_] Monday, February 16, 2009 1:53:02 PM 

Ok, Chavez wins the referendum - no term limits. He can now theoreticaly be a president for life - if he wins an election every few years.

Now, I dont think I have to point out whos side Im on in this issue... I find myself agreeing with practicly every move he makes.

[spapad] Friday, February 13, 2009 8:20:37 PM 
I'm with ya Darth!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, February 13, 2009 8:15:13 PM)
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Friday, February 13, 2009 8:15:13 PM 
We're all doomed.  Pass me the Jack Daniels.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, February 13, 2009 5:33:36 PM)
[spapad] Friday, February 13, 2009 5:33:36 PM 
OMG, DF posted a "chain letter".  I have also seen one that makes you think of Obama and in the end, it turns out the references were about OJ Simpson.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:28:42 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:28:42 PM 
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Head banger] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:26:18 PM 
DOH!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:21:28 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:22:44 PM 

Oh, well... I guess that I will never hear the end of it.

In any case, g2g now...


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:21:28 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:21:28 PM 
I guess you're right. Pardon my stupidity.........
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:18:59 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:18:59 PM 
Umm... I did NOT have to know that.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:17:26 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:17:26 PM 
Yes. I was the co-star....BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:16:34 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:16:34 PM 
Well... You would know...lol...
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:15:17 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:15:17 PM 
I think Obama was actually in one......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:14:13 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:14:13 PM 
Most likely attack it in public an watch it at home.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:09:38 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:10:51 PM 
OK.  I will name my cross "strat"............HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[Head banger] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:09:38 PM 

I wonder what hitler and obama think of porn?

 


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:08:08 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:09:18 PM 
Ok, enjoy yourself. Burn a cross for me.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:08:08 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:08:08 PM 
Sorry, I have no time for this.  There is a White Supremecy rally downtown today and then I am going to watch porn.........
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:05:51 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 12:05:51 PM 
First, I didnt take it personaly. Ive been here too long for that, and you know it. And, yes I know you didnt write it, and I suspected that it was a joke - tho with certain blogers out there, it could have very well passed as truth.

Now then... I pointed out that there are massive differences between Kenya and the USA, and minimum differences between Austria and Germany. Certainly an Austrian in Germany wouldnt be pounded with so much racist shit as Obama was in the US. That, and Hitlers role in world war 1 had a massive influence on his political views. And of course, Hitler revealed his goals way before he was elected, so people did know what he wanted to do. Maybe they didnt believe that he wouldnt succed... But that is another matter.

Now, my point was to present that there are huge differences between the two - infact that they are much more different than alike.

And again... Nothing personal is meant. You know it.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 11:57:08 AM)
[Head banger] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:59:21 AM 

I have never studied a timeline of his accent to power.  supose, given that it was a very racist society back then, it might be a good plank in a campaign platform.  with the more diverse society here, probably a bad idea.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 13, 2009 11:44:20 AM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:57:08 AM 
Your first comment is irrelevant. (A country is a country and cultures are not the point)
Your second comment makes NO sense as it is, again  not the point. What does fighting in a war have to do with what was written?
Your third and fifth comment are unimportant since the POINT is, no one knew until it was TOO LATE.
And finally, your fourth comment is misguided, as I am merely showing an aptitude for BOTH men to utilize sympathetic audience for political gain, which is really what I was getting at in the FIRST place!  As for stupidity..well, it is not my writing so I cannot claim ownership, nor was it a discovery. It is a joke. Leave it to you to take it personally OR  make it personal.!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 13, 2009 10:55:23 AM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:46:01 AM 
In that test, I think so.

In any case, I did disagree with the statement that "children need to be spanked from time to time". It was just a difficult choice.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 13, 2009 11:32:41 AM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:44:20 AM 
2. Or fight in a war that his side lost, caused his country to go through humiliation and hit the economic rock bottom, which would make him look for scapegoats, like in Hitlers case.

3. ... And free market caused the current crisis. That, tho, has been discussed here over and over again. Probably the most important thing would be that "free market" cant be stuffed inside a cell and showered with poison gas. So, at least Obamas choice of targets is more humane.

4. He was blue eyed... And he was not a Jew, a Slav, or a Roma - which were all to be destroyed according to him.

5. In Mein Kapmf, of course, and on numerous Nazi party rallies, and in his speeches.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 13, 2009 11:23:37 AM)
[Head banger] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:32:41 AM 
so I would be in the left if I am fine with gay mariage?

ok, fine
spanking, if reasonable, and age apropriate, sure.  belt, the proverbial too sore to sit for a week, nope
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[Head banger] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:23:37 AM 
1 your right.  
2 would have been hard for him, not concieved and all, right again
3 half right, hitler was a bonehead.  free market is good.
4 strange that hitler suported blond haired blue eyed pale skins while not a member of said club
5 probably but did hitler anounce that plan before the election?

so far, obama seems to have the right ideas on trade anyway.



doesnt everyone brush their teeth with a potatoe?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 13, 2009 10:55:23 AM)
[Head banger] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:05:41 AM 
was elected with promises of hope and change, at the begining of a recession. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 5:58:51 AM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:01:42 AM 
Lol... Theres a bit of Stalin in all of us...

Anyway, the test is a bit clicheic - If you are not in favour of gay marriage it automaticaly puts you to the right, while ignoring that some rightwingers can be in favour of it.

Personaly, my dillema was the one about spanking children - normaly Im against physichal punishment, but since I live next door to a kindergarten.... It was a difficult choice.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:17:11 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 10:55:23 AM 

First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.

Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.

Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.

Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite

Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.

If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.


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[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Friday, February 13, 2009 6:16:20 AM 
Gandhi?  Like, OMG!  What's your address?  I'll send you a Sari and that funny little red dot the women put on their foreheads.  This way you'll fit in when you go to New Delhi on vacation. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:43:08 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 5:58:51 AM 
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????

I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.


I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.

Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.

I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.

I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.

I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.

At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.

I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.

I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people.  I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support.  I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.


I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.


Who am I?

ADOLF HITLER. 
AND JUST WHO WERE YOU THINKING OF?

[spapad] Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:43:08 PM 
OK, I went and retook the stupid test,  just to show where I am. LOL
 
Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period
You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process.
The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy)
The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal "anarchism" championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples social Darwinian right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner.
In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily "right wing", with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26


OK, ya see!..................I'm almost Ghandi Damnit!
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:17:11 PM 
Oddly enough, I am a slight Authoritarian Leftist.  Must be my views on sex and the worker vs the corporation.  I find myself frequently at odds about these things.  Oh well, night all.  It's 8:15 and I have to be up in 6 hrs for work.

Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.15

Show graph on separate page for printing

[spapad] Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:42:27 PM 
OK!!! So I forgot the color of the square but it was on the lower left! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
                                                                X this is me
 
 
 
 
 
 

would have gotton back to your insolence sooner but I was without power last night.  LOL
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[_strat_] Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:33:12 AM 
Ehm... The libertarian left is the green box. The purple one is lib. right! Gulag and reeducation for you!Well, it could be worse, tho. You could be in the upper right box, which is where Im guessing Freeze is.

But since you dont like Bush, I guess we can cut the sentence down a bit.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:35:00 PM)
[spapad] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:50:39 PM 

WAIT A DF SECOND HERE! Just waking up from a brief nap! BUSH?????!!!!! Why,.......... I would rather have my naked body drug over the hottest coals than have that psycho boy back in office and that goes for his Daddy too! ALL HAIL BILL (swingin' d*ck) CLINTON! And lets just hope the new guy can take a lead from him! Thank God the Oval Office has been liberated of the Bush regime!

If this is what you mean Strat, I'm with ya!


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