[spapad] Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:05:37 PM | |
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My personal preference, "an historical event" [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:02:34 PM) |  | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | Okay, DF!!! See you later!! |  | Deep Freeze wrote: | | And the debate rages on........Well, I must depart for a while. Please feel free to carry on this most important discussion and keep in mind,
I whooped Guido's grammatical butt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:02:34 PM | |
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Okay, DF!!! See you later!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:01:07 PM) |  | Deep Freeze wrote: | | And the debate rages on........Well, I must depart for a while. Please feel free to carry on this most important discussion and keep in mind,
I whooped Guido's grammatical butt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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[Deep Freeze] Sunday, October 26, 2008 2:01:07 PM | |
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And the debate rages on........Well, I must depart for a while. Please feel free to carry on this most important discussion and keep in mind,
I whooped Guido's grammatical butt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:57:15 PM | |
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Personally, I lean toward "a historical" as I do pronounce the "h" (as in hummingbird). The "h" is just begging for an "a" in font of it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:45:13 PM) |  | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well now Val, I am glad you asked!
Using "an" before historical has befuddled grammarians for centuries. The letter "h" is a glottal fricative, meaning it is pronounced by closing the glottis briefly. The "velar stop" is used in letters like "k". If you do not completely stop airflow when pronouncing, you get a velar fricative "ch", as used in the Scotish "loch". It is from this sound that we developed the "h" sound.
I mention all of this because it is a little known fact that, whether a word begins with a vowel or not does not firmly require the use of "an". In English grammar, the pronounciation is also part of the rule. Take, for example, the word "the". Depending on the article, we can pronounce it "thuh" or "thee".
It is important that speakers and writers understand the cadence or rhythm of a sentence is the key to proper speech. Edited at: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:47:29 PM |
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[ron h] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:55:53 PM | |
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I think it would have to be "a historical", as in "...a historical event...".  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:29:01 PM) |  | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | What the heck happened here this morning? All this talk about proper nouns, boards being pronouns and whatnot. And here I am trying to figure out if it's "an historical" or "a historical"!!!  |
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[Deep Freeze] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:45:13 PM | |
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Well now Val, I am glad you asked!
Using "an" before historical has befuddled grammarians for centuries. The letter "h" is a glottal fricative, meaning it is pronounced by closing the glottis briefly. The "velar stop" is used in letters like "k". If you do not completely stop airflow when pronouncing, you get a velar fricative "ch", as used in the Scotish "loch". It is from this sound that we developed the "h" sound.
I mention all of this because it is a little known fact that, whether a word begins with a vowel or not does not firmly require the use of "an". In English grammar, the pronounciation is also part of the rule. Take, for example, the word "the". Depending on the article, we can pronounce it "thuh" or "thee".
It is important that speakers and writers understand the cadence or rhythm of a sentence is the key to proper speech. Edited at: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:47:29 PM |
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[spapad] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:38:00 PM | |
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I will not comment on who won because I think the world of them both. LOL Lets just say it was fun. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:34:00 PM) |  | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | Too bad I missed it. It looks as though Guido won that battle.  |  | spapad wrote: | | It was a Guid and DF showdown, I brought Popcorn for it! Would have paid, perhaps, fifty cents to see it! |  | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | What the heck happened here this morning? All this talk about proper nouns, boards being pronouns and whatnot. And here I am trying to figure out if it's "an historical" or "a historical"!!!  |
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:34:00 PM | |
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Too bad I missed it. It looks as though Guido won that battle.  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:30:24 PM) |  | spapad wrote: | | It was a Guid and DF showdown, I brought Popcorn for it! Would have paid, perhaps, fifty cents to see it! |  | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | What the heck happened here this morning? All this talk about proper nouns, boards being pronouns and whatnot. And here I am trying to figure out if it's "an historical" or "a historical"!!!  |
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[spapad] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:30:24 PM | |
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It was a Guid and DF showdown, I brought Popcorn for it! Would have paid, perhaps, fifty cents to see it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:29:01 PM) |  | Vaillant 3.0 wrote: | | What the heck happened here this morning? All this talk about proper nouns, boards being pronouns and whatnot. And here I am trying to figure out if it's "an historical" or "a historical"!!!  |
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:29:01 PM | |
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What the heck happened here this morning? All this talk about proper nouns, boards being pronouns and whatnot. And here I am trying to figure out if it's "an historical" or "a historical"!!!  |
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[spapad] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:28:09 PM | |
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Mickey Rooney? Did he do TV? I know he did movies and ended up penniless, thanks to his parents, but I did not know he did TV. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:26:22 PM) |  | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes!
Mickey Rooney. |
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[Deep Freeze] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:26:22 PM | |
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[spapad] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:25:24 PM | |
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[Deep Freeze] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:22:56 PM | |
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Just you and me...Simple and free.... [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:21:37 PM) |  | spapad wrote: | | Bye MG~! Have a good one! |  | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Iam sure he is prune looking.. Hes dead.. I gotta go for know.. I have to be somewhere at @ 2pm..
Thanks for making my laugh all morn... I needed it. |
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[spapad] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:21:37 PM | |
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Bye MG~! Have a good one! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:20:23 PM) |  | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Iam sure he is prune looking.. Hes dead.. I gotta go for know.. I have to be somewhere at @ 2pm..
Thanks for making my laugh all morn... I needed it. |
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[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:20:23 PM | |
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Iam sure he is prune looking.. Hes dead.. I gotta go for know.. I have to be somewhere at @ 2pm..
Thanks for making my laugh all morn... I needed it. |
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[Deep Freeze] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:19:49 PM | |
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Exactly!! HA!!!!
Oh....You said farts......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:18:29 PM)
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Dude I thought he was dead??? LOL
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Deep Freeze wrote: |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh spapad! SO true! HAHAHAA!!! By the way, have any of you seen Bob Denver lately? Time has NOT been good to that man! Looks like a prune stuck on the end of a broom handle. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Edited at: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:21:10 PM |
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[spapad] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:19:25 PM | |
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You cant see the dead DF. He passed about 2 and a half to 3 years ago. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:17:39 PM) |  | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh spapad! SO true! HAHAHAA!!! By the way, have any of you seen Bob Denver lately? Time has NOT been good to that man! Looks like a prune stuck on the end of a broom handle. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:18:29 PM | |
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Dude I thought he was dead??? LOL [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:17:39 PM) |  | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh spapad! SO true! HAHAHAA!!! By the way, have any of you seen Bob Denver lately? Time has NOT been good to that man! Looks like a prune stuck on the end of a broom handle. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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[spapad] Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:18:05 PM | |
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He used to come in to where I worked at the time with a floppy hat and sunglasses on. I would always say hello to him in a decreat voice, and he tipped very well, because he always got his food to go there. When I worked at the country club he did come in to eat there with several self importants and he was really very sweet and kind. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:15:02 PM) |  | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Heres a good one of skipper & little buddy...lol
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