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And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 9:14:16 AM)| |  | ronhartsell wrote: | | Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue 
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [Head banger] Monday, May 25, 2009 10:20:07 AM | |
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the allies invaded poland after hitler was the legitimate govt also. doesnt make it wrong. their pupet govt seems to be on the right path now.
If the US, Canada and a bunch more had not invaded afganistan, the taliban would control both it and pakistan, and be moving north. your daughters or grand daughters would not be able to go to school, because if they learned to read the legitimate govt would say to throw acid in their face.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, May 25, 2009 8:54:38 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [ron h] Monday, May 25, 2009 9:16:33 AM | |
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That's why the USA has an all volountary military...OUR SOLDIERS WANT TO KICK YOUR ASSES!!!!!
metaphorically speaking...of course...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, May 25, 2009 8:56:04 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Pray tell, who did fight for nazi Germany and Fascist Italy? Their armies and their soldiers. Most of them pretty much the same as allied soldiers, but happened to be drafted by the losing army.
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | Personally I'm glad our army are helping out in Afghanistan. Did you tell the bitch that if it wasn't for soldiers fighting the wrongs in the world she'd be speaking German today, thats if her ancestors hadn't been eradicated generations ago for being racially impure.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [ron h] Monday, May 25, 2009 9:14:16 AM | |
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Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, May 25, 2009 8:54:38 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [_strat_] Monday, May 25, 2009 8:56:04 AM | |
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Pray tell, who did fight for nazi Germany and Fascist Italy? Their armies and their soldiers. Most of them pretty much the same as allied soldiers, but happened to be drafted by the losing army.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:54:48 AM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | Personally I'm glad our army are helping out in Afghanistan. Did you tell the bitch that if it wasn't for soldiers fighting the wrongs in the world she'd be speaking German today, thats if her ancestors hadn't been eradicated generations ago for being racially impure.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [_strat_] Monday, May 25, 2009 8:54:38 AM | |
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Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:18:10 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [jimmyjames] Monday, May 25, 2009 8:04:00 AM | |
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Damn Nazis is right Ron, those guys sure have a few questions to answer.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:59:27 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Those damn Nazis 
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | Personally I'm glad our army are helping out in Afghanistan. Did you tell the bitch that if it wasn't for soldiers fighting the wrongs in the world she'd be speaking German today, thats if her ancestors hadn't been eradicated generations ago for being racially impure.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [ron h] Monday, May 25, 2009 7:59:27 AM | |
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Those damn Nazis
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:54:48 AM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | Personally I'm glad our army are helping out in Afghanistan. Did you tell the bitch that if it wasn't for soldiers fighting the wrongs in the world she'd be speaking German today, thats if her ancestors hadn't been eradicated generations ago for being racially impure.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [jimmyjames] Monday, May 25, 2009 7:54:48 AM | |
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Personally I'm glad our army are helping out in Afghanistan. Did you tell the bitch that if it wasn't for soldiers fighting the wrongs in the world she'd be speaking German today, thats if her ancestors hadn't been eradicated generations ago for being racially impure.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:47:23 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [ron h] Monday, May 25, 2009 7:25:57 AM | |
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Here here...thanks for distinguishing the two...it seems some ppl have that very misunderstanding...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:18:10 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [Head banger] Monday, May 25, 2009 7:18:10 AM | |
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invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, May 25, 2009 1:42:43 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [ron h] Monday, May 25, 2009 7:03:25 AM | |
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lol...set their asses on fire and tell 'em to start running...lol...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:00:28 AM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | Or failing that those same assholes would make for great moving targets to give our soldiers some practice.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | lol...you've got that right JJ...I've often thought the same thing myself, if you're not going to college, you're in the military for say 3-4 years...in the States, it's the official mantra to have an all volountary military (they don't want to be stuck raising someone elses kids or to be used as an alternative to the penal system)...but I agree with you, it would straighten a lot of these young kids of today up and make them realize that they ain't shit, there's always someone bigger and badder!!!
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | In a way I wish they'd make military service compulsory here. There's so many young dickheads running around over here that think they are are cool and tough, fucking losers, it would instill some discipline and respect into them. They think they are tough beating up people in the street. Try doing 100km pack march, thats tough. Try spending the night up a mountain in a tent in the middle of winter, thats tough.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Thanks JJ...the military isn't for everyone, but if a person has no plans after high school, it's not a bad option...
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | And you should be proud, didn't know you were a marine, thats awesome. Wish I'd joined the army or navy when I left school.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I couldn't agree with you more JJ...ppl tend to forget that soldiers follow orders, the decision to go to war is made by politicians...I'm a US Marine Vet myself (during the early-mid 80's) and 2 of my brothers served in the Army and we are all proud to have served our country!!!!
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [jimmyjames] Monday, May 25, 2009 7:00:28 AM | |
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Or failing that those same assholes would make for great moving targets to give our soldiers some practice.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 6:44:25 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | lol...you've got that right JJ...I've often thought the same thing myself, if you're not going to college, you're in the military for say 3-4 years...in the States, it's the official mantra to have an all volountary military (they don't want to be stuck raising someone elses kids or to be used as an alternative to the penal system)...but I agree with you, it would straighten a lot of these young kids of today up and make them realize that they ain't shit, there's always someone bigger and badder!!!
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | In a way I wish they'd make military service compulsory here. There's so many young dickheads running around over here that think they are are cool and tough, fucking losers, it would instill some discipline and respect into them. They think they are tough beating up people in the street. Try doing 100km pack march, thats tough. Try spending the night up a mountain in a tent in the middle of winter, thats tough.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Thanks JJ...the military isn't for everyone, but if a person has no plans after high school, it's not a bad option...
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | And you should be proud, didn't know you were a marine, thats awesome. Wish I'd joined the army or navy when I left school.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I couldn't agree with you more JJ...ppl tend to forget that soldiers follow orders, the decision to go to war is made by politicians...I'm a US Marine Vet myself (during the early-mid 80's) and 2 of my brothers served in the Army and we are all proud to have served our country!!!!
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [ron h] Monday, May 25, 2009 6:44:25 AM | |
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lol...you've got that right JJ...I've often thought the same thing myself, if you're not going to college, you're in the military for say 3-4 years...in the States, it's the official mantra to have an all volountary military (they don't want to be stuck raising someone elses kids or to be used as an alternative to the penal system)...but I agree with you, it would straighten a lot of these young kids of today up and make them realize that they ain't shit, there's always someone bigger and badder!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, May 25, 2009 6:38:03 AM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | In a way I wish they'd make military service compulsory here. There's so many young dickheads running around over here that think they are are cool and tough, fucking losers, it would instill some discipline and respect into them. They think they are tough beating up people in the street. Try doing 100km pack march, thats tough. Try spending the night up a mountain in a tent in the middle of winter, thats tough.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Thanks JJ...the military isn't for everyone, but if a person has no plans after high school, it's not a bad option...
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | And you should be proud, didn't know you were a marine, thats awesome. Wish I'd joined the army or navy when I left school.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I couldn't agree with you more JJ...ppl tend to forget that soldiers follow orders, the decision to go to war is made by politicians...I'm a US Marine Vet myself (during the early-mid 80's) and 2 of my brothers served in the Army and we are all proud to have served our country!!!!
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [jimmyjames] Monday, May 25, 2009 6:38:03 AM | |
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In a way I wish they'd make military service compulsory here. There's so many young dickheads running around over here that think they are are cool and tough, fucking losers, it would instill some discipline and respect into them. They think they are tough beating up people in the street. Try doing 100km pack march, thats tough. Try spending the night up a mountain in a tent in the middle of winter, thats tough.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 6:31:54 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Thanks JJ...the military isn't for everyone, but if a person has no plans after high school, it's not a bad option...
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | And you should be proud, didn't know you were a marine, thats awesome. Wish I'd joined the army or navy when I left school.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I couldn't agree with you more JJ...ppl tend to forget that soldiers follow orders, the decision to go to war is made by politicians...I'm a US Marine Vet myself (during the early-mid 80's) and 2 of my brothers served in the Army and we are all proud to have served our country!!!!
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [ron h] Monday, May 25, 2009 6:31:54 AM | |
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Thanks JJ...the military isn't for everyone, but if a person has no plans after high school, it's not a bad option...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, May 25, 2009 6:07:23 AM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | And you should be proud, didn't know you were a marine, thats awesome. Wish I'd joined the army or navy when I left school.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I couldn't agree with you more JJ...ppl tend to forget that soldiers follow orders, the decision to go to war is made by politicians...I'm a US Marine Vet myself (during the early-mid 80's) and 2 of my brothers served in the Army and we are all proud to have served our country!!!!
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [jimmyjames] Monday, May 25, 2009 6:07:23 AM | |
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And you should be proud, didn't know you were a marine, thats awesome. Wish I'd joined the army or navy when I left school.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 6:03:03 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | I couldn't agree with you more JJ...ppl tend to forget that soldiers follow orders, the decision to go to war is made by politicians...I'm a US Marine Vet myself (during the early-mid 80's) and 2 of my brothers served in the Army and we are all proud to have served our country!!!!
| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [_strat_] Monday, May 25, 2009 6:05:04 AM | |
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Depends on the military.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, May 25, 2009 5:52:29 AM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [ron h] Monday, May 25, 2009 6:03:03 AM | |
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I couldn't agree with you more JJ...ppl tend to forget that soldiers follow orders, the decision to go to war is made by politicians...I'm a US Marine Vet myself (during the early-mid 80's) and 2 of my brothers served in the Army and we are all proud to have served our country!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, May 25, 2009 5:52:29 AM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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| [jimmyjames] Monday, May 25, 2009 5:52:29 AM | |
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People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, May 25, 2009 2:39:25 AM)| | | Becks wrote: | | I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
| | | Becks wrote: | | Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
| | | joedraper wrote: | | Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
| | | Becks wrote: | | A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc.
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