| [Cooper Ryback] Friday, October 09, 2009 10:02:41 PM | |
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Shouldn't you know by now that fanboy opinions aren't allowed in this camp....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, October 09, 2009 9:10:04 PM)| |  | guidogodoy wrote: | | Having just finally heard the three "Winter Songs" myself, I cannot help but agree.
Then again, I also LOVE Nostra as J.D. well knows. I do listen to opera and, IMO, Nostra has very little to do with TRUE opera.
| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | Mr. Diamond,
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the point of JP/Halford selling out on the select cd you listed with the exception of TURBO. IMO there's difference between selling out (for commcercial success) and exploring other musical avenues for personal gratification. In '86 if you remember MCrue, Poison, Ratt and other were all the "glam metal" and selling lots of records,lots of airplay...and JP tried to walk that line with the Turbo and their costumes to be more 'radio' friendly and be a jp version of the glam bands...This for me was selling out for $$$
The other times with JP and Halford I feel they/he was just exploring other musical interests/directions and not necessarily for commercial value as personal.. Rob has plenty of money, so like he said "I always wanted to make a christmas cd" . Many artist do Christmas cds mostly because of their own fond memories of the past and nothing more.....Rob's not following a commercail trend so to speak and in the vain I support anyone who has the ability and money to pursue their deisres even for little monetary gain...
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, October 09, 2009 9:10:04 PM | |
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Having just finally heard the three "Winter Songs" myself, I cannot help but agree.
Then again, I also LOVE Nostra as J.D. well knows. I do listen to opera and, IMO, Nostra has very little to do with TRUE opera.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JayDee Jepsen from Friday, October 09, 2009 6:44:01 PM)| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | Mr. Diamond,
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the point of JP/Halford selling out on the select cd you listed with the exception of TURBO. IMO there's difference between selling out (for commcercial success) and exploring other musical avenues for personal gratification. In '86 if you remember MCrue, Poison, Ratt and other were all the "glam metal" and selling lots of records,lots of airplay...and JP tried to walk that line with the Turbo and their costumes to be more 'radio' friendly and be a jp version of the glam bands...This for me was selling out for $$$
The other times with JP and Halford I feel they/he was just exploring other musical interests/directions and not necessarily for commercial value as personal.. Rob has plenty of money, so like he said "I always wanted to make a christmas cd" . Many artist do Christmas cds mostly because of their own fond memories of the past and nothing more.....Rob's not following a commercail trend so to speak and in the vain I support anyone who has the ability and money to pursue their deisres even for little monetary gain...
Just my opinion....:) |
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Friday, October 09, 2009 6:44:01 PM | |
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Mr. Diamond,
I have to respectfully disagree with you on the point of JP/Halford selling out on the select cd you listed with the exception of TURBO. IMO there's difference between selling out (for commcercial success) and exploring other musical avenues for personal gratification. In '86 if you remember MCrue, Poison, Ratt and other were all the "glam metal" and selling lots of records,lots of airplay...and JP tried to walk that line with the Turbo and their costumes to be more 'radio' friendly and be a jp version of the glam bands...This for me was selling out for $$$
The other times with JP and Halford I feel they/he was just exploring other musical interests/directions and not necessarily for commercial value as personal.. Rob has plenty of money, so like he said "I always wanted to make a christmas cd" . Many artist do Christmas cds mostly because of their own fond memories of the past and nothing more.....Rob's not following a commercail trend so to speak and in the vain I support anyone who has the ability and money to pursue their deisres even for little monetary gain...
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, October 09, 2009 5:57:13 PM | |
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Oh I completely agree, man. It is your right and you are not alone in your opinion! There are many that do not care for it, just as many have complained about Nostradamus. In fact, I would go so far as to suggest that the complaining is one BIG reason that Priest did not do the big Nostradamus tour this year. They went the more marketable direction and pushed British Steel and the 30th anniversary angle and it was a GREAT success. A fantastic success, I believe. Will they do that Nostradamus show? It is likely. I believe they will.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, October 09, 2009 5:49:18 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | lol! Yeah I know Freeze,I'm just having a little fun with this here,thats all!!! lol!!! Not to worry,I do think the Halford 3 Winter Songs album idea is utterly "ridiculous" but thats my right to think so and I'm taking advantage of it!! LOL!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well my friend, I think it is important that I say I do not want to go on record as accusing Rob of "selling out" That may be a bit harsh. Rob, Glenn and all other musicians make music for a living. That is their job. In the case of a Rob Halford, he is an entire "industry" within himself. He is larger than life in many respects. As such, the things that he does professionally affect many people and THEIR livelihoods. He is not making decisions only for himself. He has agents, producers, etc that all rely on him to do things that are at least somewhat lucrative so they can feed their families. I am not positive but I would guess Rob has a very nice bank account and lives very comfortably. In short, it is not ALL about him.
Having said this, perhaps Rob honestly enjoyed making these songs? There is really no way to get "inside his head" and say without a doubt that it is all about money. I have mentioned before that Priest are in the very unique and comfortable position of being able to experiment and try things that many bands cannnot afford to do. They do not NEED to sell out massive stadiums or sell millions of new albums to eat. That is a very enviable position indeed!
My comments earlier today were really more of an observation. I think it is incredibly savvy on Rob's part to release these songs at this time of year. If not him, then others around him who will clearly benefit. In any event, if I were in Rob's shoes and had accomplished all the great things he has in his career, I might very well spend time "experimenting", too. I don't know.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, October 09, 2009 5:49:18 PM | |
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lol! Yeah I know Freeze,I'm just having a little fun with this here,thats all!!! lol!!! Not to worry,I do think the Halford 3 Winter Songs album idea is utterly "ridiculous" but thats my right to think so and I'm taking advantage of it!! LOL!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, October 09, 2009 5:31:04 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well my friend, I think it is important that I say I do not want to go on record as accusing Rob of "selling out" That may be a bit harsh. Rob, Glenn and all other musicians make music for a living. That is their job. In the case of a Rob Halford, he is an entire "industry" within himself. He is larger than life in many respects. As such, the things that he does professionally affect many people and THEIR livelihoods. He is not making decisions only for himself. He has agents, producers, etc that all rely on him to do things that are at least somewhat lucrative so they can feed their families. I am not positive but I would guess Rob has a very nice bank account and lives very comfortably. In short, it is not ALL about him.
Having said this, perhaps Rob honestly enjoyed making these songs? There is really no way to get "inside his head" and say without a doubt that it is all about money. I have mentioned before that Priest are in the very unique and comfortable position of being able to experiment and try things that many bands cannnot afford to do. They do not NEED to sell out massive stadiums or sell millions of new albums to eat. That is a very enviable position indeed!
My comments earlier today were really more of an observation. I think it is incredibly savvy on Rob's part to release these songs at this time of year. If not him, then others around him who will clearly benefit. In any event, if I were in Rob's shoes and had accomplished all the great things he has in his career, I might very well spend time "experimenting", too. I don't know.
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, October 09, 2009 5:31:04 PM | |
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Well my friend, I think it is important that I say I do not want to go on record as accusing Rob of "selling out" That may be a bit harsh. Rob, Glenn and all other musicians make music for a living. That is their job. In the case of a Rob Halford, he is an entire "industry" within himself. He is larger than life in many respects. As such, the things that he does professionally affect many people and THEIR livelihoods. He is not making decisions only for himself. He has agents, producers, etc that all rely on him to do things that are at least somewhat lucrative so they can feed their families. I am not positive but I would guess Rob has a very nice bank account and lives very comfortably. In short, it is not ALL about him.
Having said this, perhaps Rob honestly enjoyed making these songs? There is really no way to get "inside his head" and say without a doubt that it is all about money. I have mentioned before that Priest are in the very unique and comfortable position of being able to experiment and try things that many bands cannnot afford to do. They do not NEED to sell out massive stadiums or sell millions of new albums to eat. That is a very enviable position indeed!
My comments earlier today were really more of an observation. I think it is incredibly savvy on Rob's part to release these songs at this time of year. If not him, then others around him who will clearly benefit. In any event, if I were in Rob's shoes and had accomplished all the great things he has in his career, I might very well spend time "experimenting", too. I don't know.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, October 09, 2009 5:29:24 PM | |
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LMFAO!!!! Whats next..."Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer cover from Rob"??? HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, October 09, 2009 3:16:14 PM | |
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"SIGH". Yeah you are 100% correct I'm afraid Freeze.(another big "SIGH"). Rob has once again put his "$" before the rivited earth worm and iron dog fans that crave "PURE" metal.
He did this with Turbo,Nostradamus and now Halford 3. Now all the Halford solo fans are going to have to wait another 5 years till' they get a proper "Halford" solo album...or worse,they
may never get another Halford solo album again,whos to say? How much $money does Rob really need at this point anyways? Anybody? I mean jeezzz the guy has to be living pretty so
does he really need the kind of extra cash that will bring him in from the christmas carol album? You tell me.
But what you are saying Freeze IS 100% correct,Halford is "selling out" again,just as Priest did with half of "Point Of Entry",as they did with Turbo,Halford's "Two" band,Priest's Demolition
and Nostradamus. The problem I have with it is that its been almost 5 looooon years since Halford or Priest released something pure metal...."Angel Of Retribution". 5 long years is too
long for a tradional heavy metal band. It is starting to worry long time fans and the band doesn't have 5 years to waste anymore because they are pushing 60 years old yet they do it anyways?
Why is it so fucking hard for this band to "stay metal" and stay "pure"? Yes they are my favorite band but the consistancy is ridiculous,they have been anything but "consistant" the last 24 years
since they put out the Turbo album. The next album better be a full "heavy metal" album of pure metal.If they don't,I'm afraid this band will be "finished". So we will all see what happens.......
Maybe Judas Priest should take a class with Saxon as the teachers,they could learn from Saxon's "consistancy".Maybe Biff could give some of his "very little money" to Judas Priest and Rob
so that they could go back to writting british heavy metal "like Saxon does"??? Saxon ain't got shit for cash like Priest does,nowhere even near the kind of money and yet they still crank out
normal british heavy metal the traditional way,every album for the last 15 years. This is what Judas Priest and Rob Halford needs to learn how to do.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, October 09, 2009 8:29:47 AM)
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| Well I have listened to it for the fifth time now and I have to say, although it is not at all what I would expect from Rob, it sure is a smart marketing move on his part. I mean, seriously! The man puts out some Christmas songs just before the start of the holiday season??? Brilliant! Not only will his "hard core" fans snap up the album, think of how many people will buy it as a way of trying to get family and friends into his music??!?!?!?!! "Hey mom, check out his new Christmas song!" HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great move on the part of Rob and/or his management. Never forget, he still gets paid! May sound somewhat cynical to some of you but it is true. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, October 09, 2009 8:29:47 AM | |
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| Well I have listened to it for the fifth time now and I have to say, although it is not at all what I would expect from Rob, it sure is a smart marketing move on his part. I mean, seriously! The man puts out some Christmas songs just before the start of the holiday season??? Brilliant! Not only will his "hard core" fans snap up the album, think of how many people will buy it as a way of trying to get family and friends into his music??!?!?!?!! "Hey mom, check out his new Christmas song!" HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great move on the part of Rob and/or his management. Never forget, he still gets paid! May sound somewhat cynical to some of you but it is true. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:10:45 PM | |
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Well ok,maybe he did bash him a little bit. But I can understand "why". This Winter Songs idea is rather "strange". I will not buy the album,nor listen to it. I fucking HATE CHRISTMAS!!!! Scrooge ruls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:03:59 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | Actually J.D he did mention Hellrider he didn't mention Demonizer which i am shocked at lol as it is one of my favourite all time Priest tracks! And Lochness i love that song, i think the only reason people don't like it is because it was their first epic song and the lyrics were cheesy but Hell the music is badass and it is bloody Heavy too. I can't resist banging my hed when the main verse riff comes in it's awesome. Kinda reminds me of the music you would get from the Dynasty warriors games.
Well he did call him a Sellout and Senile. I would say that's insulting considering Halford is not either of those! He's far from a sellout as his amitions and musical directions don't appeal to most lol!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | What? You really think that Angel Of Retribution was not that good? WTF? LOL! Oh my god Painkiller is a good album man but it doesn't wipe the floor up with it,no way.
And you only mention Judas Rising and Demonizer? You don't even mention "Hellrider" which has to be in the top 5 best songs from Judas Priest of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Judas Rising
Deal With The Devil
Revolution
Worth Fighting For
Demonizer
Wheels Of Fire
Angel
Hellrider
Eulegy
The only less quality track on here is Lochness but the first 9 tracks are fabulous!!! Revolution sounds like it could of been on Hell Bent For Leather right after the Killing Machine track!!!
Worth Fighting For reminds me of Desert Plains and Take These Chains mixed kind of,excellent track. Angel is total classic Judas Priest as was Dreamer Deceiver off Sad Wings Of Destiny.
Angel Of Retribution is the 5th best Judas Priest album of all time in my opinion,only Sad Wings Of Destiny,British Steel,Screaming For Vengeance,and Painkiller are better than this record!!!!
And I see where Jimmy James is coming from,the usual metal fan wants "metal" especially from the "metal god"....not "christmas songs". I don't think he really bashed Halford as he was just
frustrated with Rob's decision with Winter Songs. It is what it is...I just hope that the nest Priest record doesn't get infected by this!!!! (Quoting Message by Skybreaker from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:45:42 PM)
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You really think AOR is that good? I think Painkiller wipes the floor with it. Judas Rising and Hellrider are the only standout tracks on AOR in my opinion. Everything on Painkiller is top choice metal. I think they could push traditonal metal to new heights if they wanted to but for some reason they try to do something different and it disapoints.
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I agree with you up untill you said :Painkiller was the last great Judas Priest record. I "disagree". I think Angel Of Retribution is almost as good as Painkiller, big time.
I do agree with everything else you have said here. I "hate it" when they try and "push metal into unfamiliar territories". Why can't they just push traditional metal.
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:03:59 AM | |
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Actually J.D he did mention Hellrider he didn't mention Demonizer which i am shocked at lol as it is one of my favourite all time Priest tracks! And Lochness i love that song, i think the only reason people don't like it is because it was their first epic song and the lyrics were cheesy but Hell the music is badass and it is bloody Heavy too. I can't resist banging my hed when the main verse riff comes in it's awesome. Kinda reminds me of the music you would get from the Dynasty warriors games.
Well he did call him a Sellout and Senile. I would say that's insulting considering Halford is not either of those! He's far from a sellout as his amitions and musical directions don't appeal to most lol!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:41:38 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | What? You really think that Angel Of Retribution was not that good? WTF? LOL! Oh my god Painkiller is a good album man but it doesn't wipe the floor up with it,no way.
And you only mention Judas Rising and Demonizer? You don't even mention "Hellrider" which has to be in the top 5 best songs from Judas Priest of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Judas Rising
Deal With The Devil
Revolution
Worth Fighting For
Demonizer
Wheels Of Fire
Angel
Hellrider
Eulegy
The only less quality track on here is Lochness but the first 9 tracks are fabulous!!! Revolution sounds like it could of been on Hell Bent For Leather right after the Killing Machine track!!!
Worth Fighting For reminds me of Desert Plains and Take These Chains mixed kind of,excellent track. Angel is total classic Judas Priest as was Dreamer Deceiver off Sad Wings Of Destiny.
Angel Of Retribution is the 5th best Judas Priest album of all time in my opinion,only Sad Wings Of Destiny,British Steel,Screaming For Vengeance,and Painkiller are better than this record!!!!
And I see where Jimmy James is coming from,the usual metal fan wants "metal" especially from the "metal god"....not "christmas songs". I don't think he really bashed Halford as he was just
frustrated with Rob's decision with Winter Songs. It is what it is...I just hope that the nest Priest record doesn't get infected by this!!!! (Quoting Message by Skybreaker from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:45:42 PM)
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You really think AOR is that good? I think Painkiller wipes the floor with it. Judas Rising and Hellrider are the only standout tracks on AOR in my opinion. Everything on Painkiller is top choice metal. I think they could push traditonal metal to new heights if they wanted to but for some reason they try to do something different and it disapoints.
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I agree with you up untill you said :Painkiller was the last great Judas Priest record. I "disagree". I think Angel Of Retribution is almost as good as Painkiller, big time.
I do agree with everything else you have said here. I "hate it" when they try and "push metal into unfamiliar territories". Why can't they just push traditional metal.
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| Judas Priest has to be one of the most unpredictable heavy metal bands of all time. Thats good up to a certian point until they go too far with something like Nostradamus and Christmas songs. In my opinon they have released some very disapointing cd's. They are not very consistant and you have to waite forever between cd's. At one time I considered Priest the greatest metal band of all time but I'm not convinced of that any more. Painkiller was the last great Priest CD. Can they do it again with this next cd and regain their status as the best of all time or continue on with this pushing metal forward business and release another disapointing cd. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:41:38 AM | |
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What? You really think that Angel Of Retribution was not that good? WTF? LOL! Oh my god Painkiller is a good album man but it doesn't wipe the floor up with it,no way.
And you only mention Judas Rising and Demonizer? You don't even mention "Hellrider" which has to be in the top 5 best songs from Judas Priest of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Judas Rising
Deal With The Devil
Revolution
Worth Fighting For
Demonizer
Wheels Of Fire
Angel
Hellrider
Eulegy
The only less quality track on here is Lochness but the first 9 tracks are fabulous!!! Revolution sounds like it could of been on Hell Bent For Leather right after the Killing Machine track!!!
Worth Fighting For reminds me of Desert Plains and Take These Chains mixed kind of,excellent track. Angel is total classic Judas Priest as was Dreamer Deceiver off Sad Wings Of Destiny.
Angel Of Retribution is the 5th best Judas Priest album of all time in my opinion,only Sad Wings Of Destiny,British Steel,Screaming For Vengeance,and Painkiller are better than this record!!!!
And I see where Jimmy James is coming from,the usual metal fan wants "metal" especially from the "metal god"....not "christmas songs". I don't think he really bashed Halford as he was just
frustrated with Rob's decision with Winter Songs. It is what it is...I just hope that the nest Priest record doesn't get infected by this!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Skybreaker from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:45:42 PM)
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You really think AOR is that good? I think Painkiller wipes the floor with it. Judas Rising and Hellrider are the only standout tracks on AOR in my opinion. Everything on Painkiller is top choice metal. I think they could push traditonal metal to new heights if they wanted to but for some reason they try to do something different and it disapoints.
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I agree with you up untill you said :Painkiller was the last great Judas Priest record. I "disagree". I think Angel Of Retribution is almost as good as Painkiller, big time.
I do agree with everything else you have said here. I "hate it" when they try and "push metal into unfamiliar territories". Why can't they just push traditional metal.
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| Judas Priest has to be one of the most unpredictable heavy metal bands of all time. Thats good up to a certian point until they go too far with something like Nostradamus and Christmas songs. In my opinon they have released some very disapointing cd's. They are not very consistant and you have to waite forever between cd's. At one time I considered Priest the greatest metal band of all time but I'm not convinced of that any more. Painkiller was the last great Priest CD. Can they do it again with this next cd and regain their status as the best of all time or continue on with this pushing metal forward business and release another disapointing cd. |
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:06:04 AM | |
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| Well i would say you can weigh up the pros's and cons of both albums. Painkiller is damn right heavy from start to finish where as AOR you have a bit of everything and that is what i like most about Priest. HEAVIEST: Demonizer, Hellrider, HEAVY: Judas Rising, Deal with the Devil, Wheels of Fire, Lochness, MODERATELY HEAVY: Worth fighting for, Revolution, SOFT: Angel, Euology. It's a fantastic album and out of all of their albums the production is definately the best, everything is crisp and clean. Painkiller is just a relentless heavy beast which i also love but man AOR is full of diversity and has something for every mood you're in. It's a tough choice if you're going for full on heavy metal then Painkiller if you're going for a top notch all-rounder then AOR. I would say AOR is still relatively fresh so i prefer it at this moment in time because i have played Painkiller to death which i'm sure everyone has once before. It does not get enough credit in my opinion. |
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I have to say this Jimmy you're entitled to your opinion about the direction of the music but please don't insult Halford in front of nearly every Priest fan that is on here.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:20:07 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | I think it's an embarrassment. Just because you go round calling yourself the metal god doesn't mean you should start singing hymns. Hes lost the plot. Cheesy, schmaltzy, ridiculous stuff from Halford. What a sellout.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Oh come on jimmy. Even I hate this direction but I still will not "give up" untill the next Judas Priest studio album.That is where the line will be drawn in the sand.Yes I "hate" christmas always have,its just to "holy" for me as I hate "holy" things(lmao!) and I will not be groving on christmas carols anytime soon but I still give some credit to Rob's abilities here. I think that we have been to far away from Angel Of Retribution where they were in a mode of traditional pure heavy metal music and Rob was in the mood of "The Scream Of The Demon,Theres Evil About!!!!!!"
If Judas Priest releases an album with these christmas songs influenced in them or with Nostradamus still in the style than I would start to wave the white flag myself.
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jimmyjames, I'm sorry but you sound so cynical here. Halford is not singing hymns for goodness sakes, he's just pushing the boundaries of heavy metal - to be honest I would rather he do that with Halford than with Priest, but what I have heard of the new Halford album actually sounds pretty cool! I am a lover of so called 'traditional' heavy metal, but I am not adverse to someone taking a slight detour to try something new!! As for cheesy and schmaltzy, again what I have heard of the new Halford songs is not either of those things - you'd be better off putting Poison in the same sentence as those words LOL!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:20:07 PM)| | | jimmyjames wrote: | | I think it's an embarrassment. Just because you go round calling yourself the metal god doesn't mean you should start singing hymns. Hes lost the plot. Cheesy, schmaltzy, ridiculous stuff from Halford. What a sellout.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Oh come on jimmy. Even I hate this direction but I still will not "give up" untill the next Judas Priest studio album.That is where the line will be drawn in the sand.Yes I "hate" christmas always have,its just to "holy" for me as I hate "holy" things(lmao!) and I will not be groving on christmas carols anytime soon but I still give some credit to Rob's abilities here. I think that we have been to far away from Angel Of Retribution where they were in a mode of traditional pure heavy metal music and Rob was in the mood of "The Scream Of The Demon,Theres Evil About!!!!!!"
If Judas Priest releases an album with these christmas songs influenced in them or with Nostradamus still in the style than I would start to wave the white flag myself.
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| It's shit. Fucking christmas carols, Halford is going senile. Hope the guys still have Rippers number |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:02:35 PM | |
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I vote with JD here. AOR to me is outstanding, if Lochness were replaced with 2 more songs it would for sure be the tops. painkiller is good, but onesided
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| [Skybreaker] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:45:42 PM | |
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You really think AOR is that good? I think Painkiller wipes the floor with it. Judas Rising and Hellrider are the only standout tracks on AOR in my opinion. Everything on Painkiller is top choice metal. I think they could push traditonal metal to new heights if they wanted to but for some reason they try to do something different and it disapoints.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:29:24 PM)
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I agree with you up untill you said :Painkiller was the last great Judas Priest record. I "disagree". I think Angel Of Retribution is almost as good as Painkiller, big time.
I do agree with everything else you have said here. I "hate it" when they try and "push metal into unfamiliar territories". Why can't they just push traditional metal.
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| Judas Priest has to be one of the most unpredictable heavy metal bands of all time. Thats good up to a certian point until they go too far with something like Nostradamus and Christmas songs. In my opinon they have released some very disapointing cd's. They are not very consistant and you have to waite forever between cd's. At one time I considered Priest the greatest metal band of all time but I'm not convinced of that any more. Painkiller was the last great Priest CD. Can they do it again with this next cd and regain their status as the best of all time or continue on with this pushing metal forward business and release another disapointing cd. |
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| [Skybreaker] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:45:37 PM | |
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You really think AOR is that good? I think Painkiller wipes the floor with it. Judas Rising and Hellrider are the only standout tracks on AOR in my opinion. Everything on Painkiller is top choice metal. Ithinktheycouldpushtraditonalmetal
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:29:24 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree with you up untill you said :Painkiller was the last great Judas Priest record. I "disagree". I think Angel Of Retribution is almost as good as Painkiller, big time.
I do agree with everything else you have said here. I "hate it" when they try and "push metal into unfamiliar territories". Why can't they just push traditional metal.
| | | Skybreaker wrote: | | | Judas Priest has to be one of the most unpredictable heavy metal bands of all time. Thats good up to a certian point until they go too far with something like Nostradamus and Christmas songs. In my opinon they have released some very disapointing cd's. They are not very consistant and you have to waite forever between cd's. At one time I considered Priest the greatest metal band of all time but I'm not convinced of that any more. Painkiller was the last great Priest CD. Can they do it again with this next cd and regain their status as the best of all time or continue on with this pushing metal forward business and release another disapointing cd. |
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| [Skybreaker] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:45:35 PM | |
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You really think AOR is that good? I think Painkiller wipes the floor with it. Judas Rising and Hellrider are the only standout tracks on AOR in my opinion. Everything on Painkiller is top choice metal. Ithinktheycouldpushtraditonal
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:29:24 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree with you up untill you said :Painkiller was the last great Judas Priest record. I "disagree". I think Angel Of Retribution is almost as good as Painkiller, big time.
I do agree with everything else you have said here. I "hate it" when they try and "push metal into unfamiliar territories". Why can't they just push traditional metal.
| | | Skybreaker wrote: | | | Judas Priest has to be one of the most unpredictable heavy metal bands of all time. Thats good up to a certian point until they go too far with something like Nostradamus and Christmas songs. In my opinon they have released some very disapointing cd's. They are not very consistant and you have to waite forever between cd's. At one time I considered Priest the greatest metal band of all time but I'm not convinced of that any more. Painkiller was the last great Priest CD. Can they do it again with this next cd and regain their status as the best of all time or continue on with this pushing metal forward business and release another disapointing cd. |
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| [Skybreaker] Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:45:34 PM | |
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You really think AOR is that good? I think Painkiller wipes the floor with it. Judas Rising and Hellrider are the only standout tracks on AOR in my opinion. Everything on Painkiller is top choice metal. Ithinktheycouldpush
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:29:24 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I agree with you up untill you said :Painkiller was the last great Judas Priest record. I "disagree". I think Angel Of Retribution is almost as good as Painkiller, big time.
I do agree with everything else you have said here. I "hate it" when they try and "push metal into unfamiliar territories". Why can't they just push traditional metal.
| | | Skybreaker wrote: | | | Judas Priest has to be one of the most unpredictable heavy metal bands of all time. Thats good up to a certian point until they go too far with something like Nostradamus and Christmas songs. In my opinon they have released some very disapointing cd's. They are not very consistant and you have to waite forever between cd's. At one time I considered Priest the greatest metal band of all time but I'm not convinced of that any more. Painkiller was the last great Priest CD. Can they do it again with this next cd and regain their status as the best of all time or continue on with this pushing metal forward business and release another disapointing cd. |
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