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That I can agree on to re-pre-pare people for Society, when they are fit to be re-released in it... I know you have people in jail for stupid pety things... stealing, ect.. drugs are a huge problem, esp Crack,, but if those people can prove and be rehabilitated to be able to be productive in Society then I agee,,,
But some of them.... OMG.. It scares the hell out of me to think this Vince Lee guy could be released in as little as a year,, WTF??????
Violent repeat offenders, I have a small prob with.. LOL.... They are usually building themselves up to do a much bigger crime such as assault, ect... if they are showm a bigger way to reform themselves and really try too,, them they may be helped. But most of the people who commit the most hidious of the crimes, have been in and out of the jail system most of their lives...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:08:30 AM)| |  | _strat_ wrote: | | Absolutely. The decapitation freak and Fritzl are two exapmles of people who, in my opinion, should stay behind bars for life. Working or not, just stay there.
I remember seeing a very interesting TV report from Iceland (I think it was Iceland), where they have a prison where they actualy let inmates out to go to work, and see their families. Of course, if they behave, and its only for the light cases, but it was said that it works surprisingly well. And they ahve to pay for their "stay" in the prison themselves.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Exactly, make them feel usefull, make them used to working, and lessen their cost to society. They are not slaves, they are paying their debt. Work keeps them in condition to work, keeps the idea in their head, busy hands dont have as much time to get into trouble so less crime in prison. in this manner some sentances could be reduced, for minor things, and some basic skills can be learned. in time, the cost of law enforcement to society can be reduced, lowering taxes, benefiting the economy for all, so there is less poverty, which helps reduce crime. win win.
sure there are the ocasional ones who are too dangerous to let out anywhere for any reason, but at least 80% of prisoners are capable of working under supervision.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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| [_strat_] Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:08:30 AM | |
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Absolutely. The decapitation freak and Fritzl are two exapmles of people who, in my opinion, should stay behind bars for life. Working or not, just stay there.
I remember seeing a very interesting TV report from Iceland (I think it was Iceland), where they have a prison where they actualy let inmates out to go to work, and see their families. Of course, if they behave, and its only for the light cases, but it was said that it works surprisingly well. And they ahve to pay for their "stay" in the prison themselves.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:00:41 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | Exactly, make them feel usefull, make them used to working, and lessen their cost to society. They are not slaves, they are paying their debt. Work keeps them in condition to work, keeps the idea in their head, busy hands dont have as much time to get into trouble so less crime in prison. in this manner some sentances could be reduced, for minor things, and some basic skills can be learned. in time, the cost of law enforcement to society can be reduced, lowering taxes, benefiting the economy for all, so there is less poverty, which helps reduce crime. win win.
sure there are the ocasional ones who are too dangerous to let out anywhere for any reason, but at least 80% of prisoners are capable of working under supervision.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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| [_strat_] Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:04:41 AM | |
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Pity. I was hoping Id go someplace warm after I die.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:01:10 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | hell has frozen over, we agree.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actually. I am against both capital punishment and slave labour, but putting them to work like everyone else is a great idea. Not just that they would actualy serve their debt to the society, I think that it would help to turn prisons from criminal academies (which they are now) into real rehabilitation institutions, where people would actualy learn how to live like a normal member of a society. Benefits all around, I think.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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| [_strat_] Saturday, June 06, 2009 9:03:56 AM | |
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Well, yeah, and we knew that when we went to the polls. The idea was that we are voting the lesser of two evils - and we were. Its jsut that they could have done a bit more, despite everything.
Anyway, as for your prime minister, if he accepted bribes, then I think its only right that he answers for it. Especialy if he was still in the office (which is not clear, if I got it right). Personaly I would give him a year of prison at least for the "whats wrong with taking envelopes of money" thing. Busted is busted, you dont have to be an arrogant ass about it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:49:04 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | our former PM is accused of coruption. he suposedly took envelopes of cash (200 grand or so) from a lobyist to work with him during his last days in office. he says he took them after he left office, and whats wrong with taking envelopes of cash anyway? then he didnt pay taxes on them till this guy was arested and spilled the beans... slimy bastard
strat EVERY govt is a disapointment, we just have to try to find the least disapointing.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | At least he was out. Our (now former) prime minister was accused of corruption more times than I can think of. From selling weapons to buying them. From subduing the national TV to newspapers. All sorts of shit, and he never even got trialed for it.
As far as elections are concerned... They will see me on referendums. On elections - never, ever again. Ive been twice, voted for a head of state and for a government party - both a disapointment.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | we had a convicted pedofile run for city council here. his sister found out and tiped the press off. his wife was still with him and had 5 more kids with him after he got out of jail. I used to live 4 houses from him, never knew.
he tried to blame the press too. dredging up unimportant issues. WTF? got my only letter to the editor published over that. if you cant trust the people you elect, for christ sakes dont elect them. he ended up droping out of the race.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, its not just Portugal, trust me... Not much better here. No paedophiles in the government that I know of, but thats just it... That I know of.
And of course, when a politican screws up on anything - blame the press. It was set up. Commie/Clerofascist journalists (depending on the politicans orientation) set it up. Yup, must be good to be a politician.
| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | I don't know how it works in the USA, I don't let the little bits of probably contaminated (by gossip) news from your justice department get to me, except for the big cases.
But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats. |
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| [Head banger] Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:01:10 AM | |
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hell has frozen over, we agree.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, June 06, 2009 5:48:47 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree, actually. I am against both capital punishment and slave labour, but putting them to work like everyone else is a great idea. Not just that they would actualy serve their debt to the society, I think that it would help to turn prisons from criminal academies (which they are now) into real rehabilitation institutions, where people would actualy learn how to live like a normal member of a society. Benefits all around, I think.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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| [Head banger] Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:00:41 AM | |
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Exactly, make them feel usefull, make them used to working, and lessen their cost to society. They are not slaves, they are paying their debt. Work keeps them in condition to work, keeps the idea in their head, busy hands dont have as much time to get into trouble so less crime in prison. in this manner some sentances could be reduced, for minor things, and some basic skills can be learned. in time, the cost of law enforcement to society can be reduced, lowering taxes, benefiting the economy for all, so there is less poverty, which helps reduce crime. win win.
sure there are the ocasional ones who are too dangerous to let out anywhere for any reason, but at least 80% of prisoners are capable of working under supervision.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:32:28 AM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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| [Head banger] Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:49:04 AM | |
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our former PM is accused of coruption. he suposedly took envelopes of cash (200 grand or so) from a lobyist to work with him during his last days in office. he says he took them after he left office, and whats wrong with taking envelopes of cash anyway? then he didnt pay taxes on them till this guy was arested and spilled the beans... slimy bastard
strat EVERY govt is a disapointment, we just have to try to find the least disapointing.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, June 06, 2009 5:53:28 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | At least he was out. Our (now former) prime minister was accused of corruption more times than I can think of. From selling weapons to buying them. From subduing the national TV to newspapers. All sorts of shit, and he never even got trialed for it.
As far as elections are concerned... They will see me on referendums. On elections - never, ever again. Ive been twice, voted for a head of state and for a government party - both a disapointment.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | we had a convicted pedofile run for city council here. his sister found out and tiped the press off. his wife was still with him and had 5 more kids with him after he got out of jail. I used to live 4 houses from him, never knew.
he tried to blame the press too. dredging up unimportant issues. WTF? got my only letter to the editor published over that. if you cant trust the people you elect, for christ sakes dont elect them. he ended up droping out of the race.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, its not just Portugal, trust me... Not much better here. No paedophiles in the government that I know of, but thats just it... That I know of.
And of course, when a politican screws up on anything - blame the press. It was set up. Commie/Clerofascist journalists (depending on the politicans orientation) set it up. Yup, must be good to be a politician.
| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | I don't know how it works in the USA, I don't let the little bits of probably contaminated (by gossip) news from your justice department get to me, except for the big cases.
But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats. |
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| [_strat_] Saturday, June 06, 2009 5:53:28 AM | |
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At least he was out. Our (now former) prime minister was accused of corruption more times than I can think of. From selling weapons to buying them. From subduing the national TV to newspapers. All sorts of shit, and he never even got trialed for it.
As far as elections are concerned... They will see me on referendums. On elections - never, ever again. Ive been twice, voted for a head of state and for a government party - both a disapointment.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, June 05, 2009 10:00:14 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | we had a convicted pedofile run for city council here. his sister found out and tiped the press off. his wife was still with him and had 5 more kids with him after he got out of jail. I used to live 4 houses from him, never knew.
he tried to blame the press too. dredging up unimportant issues. WTF? got my only letter to the editor published over that. if you cant trust the people you elect, for christ sakes dont elect them. he ended up droping out of the race.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, its not just Portugal, trust me... Not much better here. No paedophiles in the government that I know of, but thats just it... That I know of.
And of course, when a politican screws up on anything - blame the press. It was set up. Commie/Clerofascist journalists (depending on the politicans orientation) set it up. Yup, must be good to be a politician.
| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | I don't know how it works in the USA, I don't let the little bits of probably contaminated (by gossip) news from your justice department get to me, except for the big cases.
But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats. |
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| [_strat_] Saturday, June 06, 2009 5:48:47 AM | |
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I agree, actually. I am against both capital punishment and slave labour, but putting them to work like everyone else is a great idea. Not just that they would actualy serve their debt to the society, I think that it would help to turn prisons from criminal academies (which they are now) into real rehabilitation institutions, where people would actualy learn how to live like a normal member of a society. Benefits all around, I think.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:32:28 AM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:32:28 AM | |
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If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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| [Head banger] Friday, June 05, 2009 10:44:39 PM | |
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while the are in jail, what do they do. here, people say when they get out they paid their debt to society. WTF? you served however many years in jail on MY tab. you incured a second debt. first you incured a debt by robbing, killing...then we paid for a cop to chase you, a prosecutor, a judge, and probably your defense lawyer, then we paid for your room and board, clothing, health care, supervision, maintenance of your place, education, and if you claimed right, we drove you to visit your family. this is you PAYING your debt? then they talk of rehab, seriously.
in the real world people have to take care of themselfs, their place and WORK!!! basic rehab to me is people taking care of themselfs and working. have them get up, clean the place, make breakfast and go out and clean shit up. if they want to learn a skill or a trade, that they can demonstrate is something that will help then get a job, then fine, if it wont kill anyone, or cost too much then they can learn in the evening. how many people work full time jobs to suport them going to night school? go to prison its free.
if you make the sentance harder, something to be avoided, you could give shorter sentances. but give a real sentance. if its a year, then its a year. giving 2 years so the parole board can cut it down, silly. bunch more civil servants we need to hire just ot let everyone out. then they have to discount time served before trial, because its not part of the sentance. so if you wait a year in jail for trial, your sentance gets 2 years cut off it. then your lawyer negotiates a deal so you get three years , 2 served your eligable for parole before you know it.
send murderers away for ever, beter yet just put them out. rehab those who could be rehabed, get them to work. make it somewhere they dont want to go back to.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:27:51 PM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | I don't know how it works in the USA, I don't let the little bits of probably contaminated (by gossip) news from your justice department get to me, except for the big cases.
But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats. |
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| [Head banger] Friday, June 05, 2009 10:00:14 PM | |
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we had a convicted pedofile run for city council here. his sister found out and tiped the press off. his wife was still with him and had 5 more kids with him after he got out of jail. I used to live 4 houses from him, never knew.
he tried to blame the press too. dredging up unimportant issues. WTF? got my only letter to the editor published over that. if you cant trust the people you elect, for christ sakes dont elect them. he ended up droping out of the race.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:35:13 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, its not just Portugal, trust me... Not much better here. No paedophiles in the government that I know of, but thats just it... That I know of.
And of course, when a politican screws up on anything - blame the press. It was set up. Commie/Clerofascist journalists (depending on the politicans orientation) set it up. Yup, must be good to be a politician.
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But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats. |
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clearly not fit for the public. and yes, a fast sentance is beter for all. do it and be done with it.
I say if michigan is closing prisons, tent camps like that guy in AZ has. in winter, you would get a very low rate or re ofenders.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 05, 2009 8:31:09 PM)| | | ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: | | Iam in Canada,, but when I lived in the USA,, it was worse, there..
The man that did the beheading had schizophrenia, and he was married and had children of his own, and decided to quit taking his medication. Where was his family/friends to help him,,, We had a family member with the disease also... and you can def tell when they are off there meds.. But he never wanted to kill anyone while off his meds..
SO I believe the defense for this man, won him case,, which in my eyes is a crock of shit.. How many schizophrenic people really Kill eat, and be-head other people when they go off there meds.. ???????
Oh and this was not his first violent offense either... He had another violent outburst while off the meds 2 years ago...
He is not fit for society, esp when He doesnt care enough about himself to take medication he needs, he a danger to the public.
Even though we dont have the death penalty here in Canada,, Iam a strong believer in it, and I also believe, Once a case has been proven beyond a reasonable dout dna, ect.. If the person is found guilty , By 6am the next morn, they should be put to death,, None of this sitting around lifting weights, and shooting pool with your buds for next 20 years,
or set a date and get them in line and fire up the chair...  ...
Sorry just my thought,, I hope this doesnot offend anyone,, !
MG~
Oh I just heard the state of Michigan is closing 8-12 prisons,,,, ???? where do you think those people are going to go???? they are over crowded allready.... Maybe your next door Neighbor????
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However, we mustn't lose focus here. Laws will be laws, and we (well, you americans) live in a country and states where they will probably be enforced. And saying that 40 years IS 40 years is already a big step on the road to keeping those f*ck*rs where they belong.
| | | ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: | | I guess the part that bothers me the most, about murder/death penalty,, Is by reason of Insanity.,...that part I hate
I watched a man confess, confess to doing a murder once, was one of the most chilling things I have ever had to see,,
I ran the video equip for the police dept in Montana, while they were interviewing him..
His excuse He was high on crack. To me thats another one, I dont care is you feel insane or do drugs.. Murder is murder in my book..
And 40 years does not mean 20 will be served... It means Prob 5-8 will be served,, Prison overcrowding is a huge problem, you would crap your pants if the stat's were released on the real information...
I live about 25 minutes from Selkirk Manitoba, were the the now Infamous Vince Lee lives..
Anyone that has not heard of him???? He stabbed be-headed and then ATE, part of Timothy Mcleans body on a grey hound bus, on July 30th, last summer.. He will serve 1 year,, why???????? you ask... because the poor baby forgot to take his Psyco Meds, and went nutz on the bus, and this kid happend to be sitting by him...
I wish the swat team would have shot him right between the eyes when he held up the head of this young man, for all onlong the highway to see, through the bus window...
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Friday, June 05, 2009 8:49:40 PM | |
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Yeah its a scary thought... esp when the general public will have no notification, as to who or where these people go.
I would hate to be living next door to TED BUNDY..
anywase, They announced it on the news around 6pm, the world news brodcast, about michigan.. Its not just michigan its happening all over where the states are going broke,, California plans on doing the same thing...
Its a sad day when you have to come to a desicion to have money for public school systems, or to keep prisons open??? I guess when they let every freak azoid out and they mangle and kill people, we wont have to worry about many children in school then either. Geesh..
Where are all the GITMO detainies going?????? They still dont know about those people either, I feel it should be a world leader decision .. as to where all those people end up.. Where the leaders of the counties involved decide.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, June 05, 2009 8:39:18 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Amen about that waiting in jail for 10+ years business before having the death penalty carried out. I was thinking the same when I hit your statement there.
Wow. That bit about Michigan is news to me. I agree. Where the heck are they going to GO? Especially when they suffer from overcrowding like most. Amazing. (Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 05, 2009 8:31:09 PM)
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Iam in Canada,, but when I lived in the USA,, it was worse, there..
The man that did the beheading had schizophrenia, and he was married and had children of his own, and decided to quit taking his medication. Where was his family/friends to help him,,, We had a family member with the disease also... and you can def tell when they are off there meds.. But he never wanted to kill anyone while off his meds..
SO I believe the defense for this man, won him case,, which in my eyes is a crock of shit.. How many schizophrenic people really Kill eat, and be-head other people when they go off there meds.. ???????
Oh and this was not his first violent offense either... He had another violent outburst while off the meds 2 years ago...
He is not fit for society, esp when He doesnt care enough about himself to take medication he needs, he a danger to the public.
Even though we dont have the death penalty here in Canada,, Iam a strong believer in it, and I also believe, Once a case has been proven beyond a reasonable dout dna, ect.. If the person is found guilty , By 6am the next morn, they should be put to death,, None of this sitting around lifting weights, and shooting pool with your buds for next 20 years,
or set a date and get them in line and fire up the chair... ...
Sorry just my thought,, I hope this doesnot offend anyone,, !
MG~
Oh I just heard the state of Michigan is closing 8-12 prisons,,,, ???? where do you think those people are going to go???? they are over crowded allready.... Maybe your next door Neighbor????
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It's a pretty pissy subject, because we know that Justice, in Portugal, Sri Lank, China or the USA, hasn't been feeling well for a while. Be it overcrowded prisons, corrupt judicial systems or the opposite as in complete repression from authoritarian states, you name it. It makes me angry to start thinking about all the cases that I hear here in Portugal alone.
However, we mustn't lose focus here. Laws will be laws, and we (well, you americans) live in a country and states where they will probably be enforced. And saying that 40 years IS 40 years is already a big step on the road to keeping those f*ck*rs where they belong.
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I guess the part that bothers me the most, about murder/death penalty,, Is by reason of Insanity.,...that part I hate
I watched a man confess, confess to doing a murder once, was one of the most chilling things I have ever had to see,,
I ran the video equip for the police dept in Montana, while they were interviewing him..
His excuse He was high on crack. To me thats another one, I dont care is you feel insane or do drugs.. Murder is murder in my book..
And 40 years does not mean 20 will be served... It means Prob 5-8 will be served,, Prison overcrowding is a huge problem, you would crap your pants if the stat's were released on the real information...
I live about 25 minutes from Selkirk Manitoba, were the the now Infamous Vince Lee lives..
Anyone that has not heard of him???? He stabbed be-headed and then ATE, part of Timothy Mcleans body on a grey hound bus, on July 30th, last summer.. He will serve 1 year,, why???????? you ask... because the poor baby forgot to take his Psyco Meds, and went nutz on the bus, and this kid happend to be sitting by him...
I wish the swat team would have shot him right between the eyes when he held up the head of this young man, for all onlong the highway to see, through the bus window...
as you can see this is a topic that pisses me off, |
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, June 05, 2009 8:39:18 PM | |
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Amen about that waiting in jail for 10+ years business before having the death penalty carried out. I was thinking the same when I hit your statement there.
Wow. That bit about Michigan is news to me. I agree. Where the heck are they going to GO? Especially when they suffer from overcrowding like most. Amazing. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 05, 2009 8:31:09 PM)
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Iam in Canada,, but when I lived in the USA,, it was worse, there..
The man that did the beheading had schizophrenia, and he was married and had children of his own, and decided to quit taking his medication. Where was his family/friends to help him,,, We had a family member with the disease also... and you can def tell when they are off there meds.. But he never wanted to kill anyone while off his meds..
SO I believe the defense for this man, won him case,, which in my eyes is a crock of shit.. How many schizophrenic people really Kill eat, and be-head other people when they go off there meds.. ???????
Oh and this was not his first violent offense either... He had another violent outburst while off the meds 2 years ago...
He is not fit for society, esp when He doesnt care enough about himself to take medication he needs, he a danger to the public.
Even though we dont have the death penalty here in Canada,, Iam a strong believer in it, and I also believe, Once a case has been proven beyond a reasonable dout dna, ect.. If the person is found guilty , By 6am the next morn, they should be put to death,, None of this sitting around lifting weights, and shooting pool with your buds for next 20 years,
or set a date and get them in line and fire up the chair... ...
Sorry just my thought,, I hope this doesnot offend anyone,, !
MG~
Oh I just heard the state of Michigan is closing 8-12 prisons,,,, ???? where do you think those people are going to go???? they are over crowded allready.... Maybe your next door Neighbor????
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It's a pretty pissy subject, because we know that Justice, in Portugal, Sri Lank, China or the USA, hasn't been feeling well for a while. Be it overcrowded prisons, corrupt judicial systems or the opposite as in complete repression from authoritarian states, you name it. It makes me angry to start thinking about all the cases that I hear here in Portugal alone.
However, we mustn't lose focus here. Laws will be laws, and we (well, you americans) live in a country and states where they will probably be enforced. And saying that 40 years IS 40 years is already a big step on the road to keeping those f*ck*rs where they belong.
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I guess the part that bothers me the most, about murder/death penalty,, Is by reason of Insanity.,...that part I hate
I watched a man confess, confess to doing a murder once, was one of the most chilling things I have ever had to see,,
I ran the video equip for the police dept in Montana, while they were interviewing him..
His excuse He was high on crack. To me thats another one, I dont care is you feel insane or do drugs.. Murder is murder in my book..
And 40 years does not mean 20 will be served... It means Prob 5-8 will be served,, Prison overcrowding is a huge problem, you would crap your pants if the stat's were released on the real information...
I live about 25 minutes from Selkirk Manitoba, were the the now Infamous Vince Lee lives..
Anyone that has not heard of him???? He stabbed be-headed and then ATE, part of Timothy Mcleans body on a grey hound bus, on July 30th, last summer.. He will serve 1 year,, why???????? you ask... because the poor baby forgot to take his Psyco Meds, and went nutz on the bus, and this kid happend to be sitting by him...
I wish the swat team would have shot him right between the eyes when he held up the head of this young man, for all onlong the highway to see, through the bus window...
as you can see this is a topic that pisses me off, |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Friday, June 05, 2009 8:31:09 PM | |
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Iam in Canada,, but when I lived in the USA,, it was worse, there..
The man that did the beheading had schizophrenia, and he was married and had children of his own, and decided to quit taking his medication. Where was his family/friends to help him,,, We had a family member with the disease also... and you can def tell when they are off there meds.. But he never wanted to kill anyone while off his meds..
SO I believe the defense for this man, won him case,, which in my eyes is a crock of shit.. How many schizophrenic people really Kill eat, and be-head other people when they go off there meds.. ???????
Oh and this was not his first violent offense either... He had another violent outburst while off the meds 2 years ago...
He is not fit for society, esp when He doesnt care enough about himself to take medication he needs, he a danger to the public.
Even though we dont have the death penalty here in Canada,, Iam a strong believer in it, and I also believe, Once a case has been proven beyond a reasonable dout dna, ect.. If the person is found guilty , By 6am the next morn, they should be put to death,, None of this sitting around lifting weights, and shooting pool with your buds for next 20 years,
or set a date and get them in line and fire up the chair... ...
Sorry just my thought,, I hope this doesnot offend anyone,, !
MG~
Oh I just heard the state of Michigan is closing 8-12 prisons,,,, ???? where do you think those people are going to go???? they are over crowded allready.... Maybe your next door Neighbor????
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:34:21 PM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | It's a pretty pissy subject, because we know that Justice, in Portugal, Sri Lank, China or the USA, hasn't been feeling well for a while. Be it overcrowded prisons, corrupt judicial systems or the opposite as in complete repression from authoritarian states, you name it. It makes me angry to start thinking about all the cases that I hear here in Portugal alone.
However, we mustn't lose focus here. Laws will be laws, and we (well, you americans) live in a country and states where they will probably be enforced. And saying that 40 years IS 40 years is already a big step on the road to keeping those f*ck*rs where they belong.
| | | ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: | | I guess the part that bothers me the most, about murder/death penalty,, Is by reason of Insanity.,...that part I hate
I watched a man confess, confess to doing a murder once, was one of the most chilling things I have ever had to see,,
I ran the video equip for the police dept in Montana, while they were interviewing him..
His excuse He was high on crack. To me thats another one, I dont care is you feel insane or do drugs.. Murder is murder in my book..
And 40 years does not mean 20 will be served... It means Prob 5-8 will be served,, Prison overcrowding is a huge problem, you would crap your pants if the stat's were released on the real information...
I live about 25 minutes from Selkirk Manitoba, were the the now Infamous Vince Lee lives..
Anyone that has not heard of him???? He stabbed be-headed and then ATE, part of Timothy Mcleans body on a grey hound bus, on July 30th, last summer.. He will serve 1 year,, why???????? you ask... because the poor baby forgot to take his Psyco Meds, and went nutz on the bus, and this kid happend to be sitting by him...
I wish the swat team would have shot him right between the eyes when he held up the head of this young man, for all onlong the highway to see, through the bus window...
as you can see this is a topic that pisses me off, |
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| [Becks] Friday, June 05, 2009 5:37:54 PM | |
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Oh man, I remember hearing about the beheading on the bus dude as well. Pretty sickening, I can't imagine how traumatised the people of the bus must have been.
I do think the insanity plea is used all too often. It makes a mockery of those who are actually mentally ill i.e. opens them up to questionning of their condition, people saying it's a load of crap etc.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:24:02 PM)| | | ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: | | I guess the part that bothers me the most, about murder/death penalty,, Is by reason of Insanity.,...that part I hate
I watched a man confess, confess to doing a murder once, was one of the most chilling things I have ever had to see,,
I ran the video equip for the police dept in Montana, while they were interviewing him..
His excuse He was high on crack. To me thats another one, I dont care is you feel insane or do drugs.. Murder is murder in my book..
And 40 years does not mean 20 will be served... It means Prob 5-8 will be served,, Prison overcrowding is a huge problem, you would crap your pants if the stat's were released on the real information...
I live about 25 minutes from Selkirk Manitoba, were the the now Infamous Vince Lee lives..
Anyone that has not heard of him???? He stabbed be-headed and then ATE, part of Timothy Mcleans body on a grey hound bus, on July 30th, last summer.. He will serve 1 year,, why???????? you ask... because the poor baby forgot to take his Psyco Meds, and went nutz on the bus, and this kid happend to be sitting by him...
I wish the swat team would have shot him right between the eyes when he held up the head of this young man, for all onlong the highway to see, through the bus window...
as you can see this is a topic that pisses me off, |
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 05, 2009 5:35:13 PM | |
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Oh, its not just Portugal, trust me... Not much better here. No paedophiles in the government that I know of, but thats just it... That I know of.
And of course, when a politican screws up on anything - blame the press. It was set up. Commie/Clerofascist journalists (depending on the politicans orientation) set it up. Yup, must be good to be a politician.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:27:51 PM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | I don't know how it works in the USA, I don't let the little bits of probably contaminated (by gossip) news from your justice department get to me, except for the big cases.
But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats. |
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| [DelivererofEvil] Friday, June 05, 2009 5:34:21 PM | |
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It's a pretty pissy subject, because we know that Justice, in Portugal, Sri Lank, China or the USA, hasn't been feeling well for a while. Be it overcrowded prisons, corrupt judicial systems or the opposite as in complete repression from authoritarian states, you name it. It makes me angry to start thinking about all the cases that I hear here in Portugal alone.
However, we mustn't lose focus here. Laws will be laws, and we (well, you americans) live in a country and states where they will probably be enforced. And saying that 40 years IS 40 years is already a big step on the road to keeping those f*ck*rs where they belong.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:24:02 PM)| | | ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: | | I guess the part that bothers me the most, about murder/death penalty,, Is by reason of Insanity.,...that part I hate
I watched a man confess, confess to doing a murder once, was one of the most chilling things I have ever had to see,,
I ran the video equip for the police dept in Montana, while they were interviewing him..
His excuse He was high on crack. To me thats another one, I dont care is you feel insane or do drugs.. Murder is murder in my book..
And 40 years does not mean 20 will be served... It means Prob 5-8 will be served,, Prison overcrowding is a huge problem, you would crap your pants if the stat's were released on the real information...
I live about 25 minutes from Selkirk Manitoba, were the the now Infamous Vince Lee lives..
Anyone that has not heard of him???? He stabbed be-headed and then ATE, part of Timothy Mcleans body on a grey hound bus, on July 30th, last summer.. He will serve 1 year,, why???????? you ask... because the poor baby forgot to take his Psyco Meds, and went nutz on the bus, and this kid happend to be sitting by him...
I wish the swat team would have shot him right between the eyes when he held up the head of this young man, for all onlong the highway to see, through the bus window...
as you can see this is a topic that pisses me off, |
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Oh yeah, I remember that case. The beheading thing, I mean.
Now, if the dude sits out just one year... I seriously dont know what to think about that. Then again, I dont suppose I should be surprised either. But... The fact is, he did what he did, he is mad, and I think that prison for life is the only thing that will do.
I mean, that kind of a case is not a murder that was done with a purpose. In some cases, I guess, a murderer kills only a single person, and probably wont kill anybody ever again, even if he/she doesnt even get punished for it (although he/she should be). In this case, the guy went berserk on a bus, and at a random victim. He is dangerous to everyone, and has to be phisycaly separated from everyone.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:24:02 PM)| | | ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: | | I guess the part that bothers me the most, about murder/death penalty,, Is by reason of Insanity.,...that part I hate
I watched a man confess, confess to doing a murder once, was one of the most chilling things I have ever had to see,,
I ran the video equip for the police dept in Montana, while they were interviewing him..
His excuse He was high on crack. To me thats another one, I dont care is you feel insane or do drugs.. Murder is murder in my book..
And 40 years does not mean 20 will be served... It means Prob 5-8 will be served,, Prison overcrowding is a huge problem, you would crap your pants if the stat's were released on the real information...
I live about 25 minutes from Selkirk Manitoba, were the the now Infamous Vince Lee lives..
Anyone that has not heard of him???? He stabbed be-headed and then ATE, part of Timothy Mcleans body on a grey hound bus, on July 30th, last summer.. He will serve 1 year,, why???????? you ask... because the poor baby forgot to take his Psyco Meds, and went nutz on the bus, and this kid happend to be sitting by him...
I wish the swat team would have shot him right between the eyes when he held up the head of this young man, for all onlong the highway to see, through the bus window...
as you can see this is a topic that pisses me off, |
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