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hey becks.there no is such thing as cant.and he can.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:39:28 PM)| |  | Becks wrote: | | It's completely understandable that Rob can't hit all the notes of Painkiller anymore, the Rob of today isn't the Rob of 1990 - it i almost 20 years later LOL! I'm just happy he and the rest of Priest still share their music with the world. I also would LOVE to see BTROD in the setlist! Preferably when they play in NZ  LOL! (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:30:53 PM)
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I agree Freeze, Rob most definitely does not sound the same as he did in the '90s. I remember leaving the Painkiller show in absolute and complete AWE of Rob's vocals. I still think back to that show and watch the bootleg of it and my jaw drops. But he was also NOT dead on in every show even back then if you watch other live performances. I don't know how you could be dead on every single show with as many as they do on a tour. At the Cleveland show this year, on VOC it was the same note he hit, however it doesn't sound the same because his scream isn't crystal clear like it used to be. I think that's it right there, it's not the crisp, crystal clear scream of old. But yes, like you said, it's still damn incredible and better than anyone on the planet can do. 
There are so many other songs for Priest to do, they should drop Painkiller. But what I think is funny is that when they DID do Painkiller last year, people were bitching about Rob's voice on it. So this year, they DROP Painkiller from the set list and people are bitching because they want to hear Painkiller...... they just can't win!
I would LOVE for them to bring back Beyond the Realms of Death. I remember when they brought that song back on the Ram It Down tour. I screamed so loud half my section turned to look at me!  Then after the song was over, some dude tapped me on the shoulder and asked what the name of the song was and what album it was off of. When I told him, he got a funny look on his face. I told him it was an AWESOME album and to GO BUY IT! 
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I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [guidogodoy] Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:59:33 PM | |
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Holy crap!!! Now THAT brings back memories. I have been to The Castle. Ritz in rockin' Roseville. Harpos was my corner bar. Ahhhh....memories.
Let me break out my D.R.E.A.D. card. I still have one, you know! HAAAAAAA!!!!! Loved Harmony House.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:52:49 PM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | A friend of mine and I saw that show at The Castle in Charlevoix. I've got to say, THAT was a COOL venue! We had pretty crappy seats though, about halfway back - but at least it wasn't the lawn.
The dumbass was probably there to see Cinderella anyway..... everyone kept staring at me as I was singing along because it was quite obvious that no one had heard of this song! Didn't stop me for enjoying the hell out of it though!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | ASKS YOU THE NAME OF THE SONG?!?!? I could imagine your seats, too.
Now THAT guy is one of the ways to know you are NOT a JP fan.....drawn and quartered, I say.
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | I agree Freeze, Rob most definitely does not sound the same as he did in the '90s. I remember leaving the Painkiller show in absolute and complete AWE of Rob's vocals. I still think back to that show and watch the bootleg of it and my jaw drops. But he was also NOT dead on in every show even back then if you watch other live performances. I don't know how you could be dead on every single show with as many as they do on a tour. At the Cleveland show this year, on VOC it was the same note he hit, however it doesn't sound the same because his scream isn't crystal clear like it used to be. I think that's it right there, it's not the crisp, crystal clear scream of old. But yes, like you said, it's still damn incredible and better than anyone on the planet can do.
There are so many other songs for Priest to do, they should drop Painkiller. But what I think is funny is that when they DID do Painkiller last year, people were bitching about Rob's voice on it. So this year, they DROP Painkiller from the set list and people are bitching because they want to hear Painkiller...... they just can't win!
I would LOVE for them to bring back Beyond the Realms of Death. I remember when they brought that song back on the Ram It Down tour. I screamed so loud half my section turned to look at me! Then after the song was over, some dude tapped me on the shoulder and asked what the name of the song was and what album it was off of. When I told him, he got a funny look on his face. I told him it was an AWESOME album and to GO BUY IT!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:52:49 PM | |
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A friend of mine and I saw that show at The Castle in Charlevoix. I've got to say, THAT was a COOL venue! We had pretty crappy seats though, about halfway back - but at least it wasn't the lawn.
The dumbass was probably there to see Cinderella anyway..... everyone kept staring at me as I was singing along because it was quite obvious that no one had heard of this song! Didn't stop me for enjoying the hell out of it though!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:38:39 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | ASKS YOU THE NAME OF THE SONG?!?!? I could imagine your seats, too.
Now THAT guy is one of the ways to know you are NOT a JP fan.....drawn and quartered, I say.
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | I agree Freeze, Rob most definitely does not sound the same as he did in the '90s. I remember leaving the Painkiller show in absolute and complete AWE of Rob's vocals. I still think back to that show and watch the bootleg of it and my jaw drops. But he was also NOT dead on in every show even back then if you watch other live performances. I don't know how you could be dead on every single show with as many as they do on a tour. At the Cleveland show this year, on VOC it was the same note he hit, however it doesn't sound the same because his scream isn't crystal clear like it used to be. I think that's it right there, it's not the crisp, crystal clear scream of old. But yes, like you said, it's still damn incredible and better than anyone on the planet can do.
There are so many other songs for Priest to do, they should drop Painkiller. But what I think is funny is that when they DID do Painkiller last year, people were bitching about Rob's voice on it. So this year, they DROP Painkiller from the set list and people are bitching because they want to hear Painkiller...... they just can't win!
I would LOVE for them to bring back Beyond the Realms of Death. I remember when they brought that song back on the Ram It Down tour. I screamed so loud half my section turned to look at me! Then after the song was over, some dude tapped me on the shoulder and asked what the name of the song was and what album it was off of. When I told him, he got a funny look on his face. I told him it was an AWESOME album and to GO BUY IT!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [Becks] Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:39:28 PM | |
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It's completely understandable that Rob can't hit all the notes of Painkiller anymore, the Rob of today isn't the Rob of 1990 - it i almost 20 years later LOL! I'm just happy he and the rest of Priest still share their music with the world. I also would LOVE to see BTROD in the setlist! Preferably when they play in NZ LOL! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:30:53 PM)
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I agree Freeze, Rob most definitely does not sound the same as he did in the '90s. I remember leaving the Painkiller show in absolute and complete AWE of Rob's vocals. I still think back to that show and watch the bootleg of it and my jaw drops. But he was also NOT dead on in every show even back then if you watch other live performances. I don't know how you could be dead on every single show with as many as they do on a tour. At the Cleveland show this year, on VOC it was the same note he hit, however it doesn't sound the same because his scream isn't crystal clear like it used to be. I think that's it right there, it's not the crisp, crystal clear scream of old. But yes, like you said, it's still damn incredible and better than anyone on the planet can do.
There are so many other songs for Priest to do, they should drop Painkiller. But what I think is funny is that when they DID do Painkiller last year, people were bitching about Rob's voice on it. So this year, they DROP Painkiller from the set list and people are bitching because they want to hear Painkiller...... they just can't win!
I would LOVE for them to bring back Beyond the Realms of Death. I remember when they brought that song back on the Ram It Down tour. I screamed so loud half my section turned to look at me! Then after the song was over, some dude tapped me on the shoulder and asked what the name of the song was and what album it was off of. When I told him, he got a funny look on his face. I told him it was an AWESOME album and to GO BUY IT!
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I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [guidogodoy] Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:38:39 PM | |
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ASKS YOU THE NAME OF THE SONG?!?!? I could imagine your seats, too.
Now THAT guy is one of the ways to know you are NOT a JP fan.....drawn and quartered, I say.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:30:53 PM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | I agree Freeze, Rob most definitely does not sound the same as he did in the '90s. I remember leaving the Painkiller show in absolute and complete AWE of Rob's vocals. I still think back to that show and watch the bootleg of it and my jaw drops. But he was also NOT dead on in every show even back then if you watch other live performances. I don't know how you could be dead on every single show with as many as they do on a tour. At the Cleveland show this year, on VOC it was the same note he hit, however it doesn't sound the same because his scream isn't crystal clear like it used to be. I think that's it right there, it's not the crisp, crystal clear scream of old. But yes, like you said, it's still damn incredible and better than anyone on the planet can do.
There are so many other songs for Priest to do, they should drop Painkiller. But what I think is funny is that when they DID do Painkiller last year, people were bitching about Rob's voice on it. So this year, they DROP Painkiller from the set list and people are bitching because they want to hear Painkiller...... they just can't win!
I would LOVE for them to bring back Beyond the Realms of Death. I remember when they brought that song back on the Ram It Down tour. I screamed so loud half my section turned to look at me! Then after the song was over, some dude tapped me on the shoulder and asked what the name of the song was and what album it was off of. When I told him, he got a funny look on his face. I told him it was an AWESOME album and to GO BUY IT!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, October 24, 2009 4:30:53 PM | |
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I agree Freeze, Rob most definitely does not sound the same as he did in the '90s. I remember leaving the Painkiller show in absolute and complete AWE of Rob's vocals. I still think back to that show and watch the bootleg of it and my jaw drops. But he was also NOT dead on in every show even back then if you watch other live performances. I don't know how you could be dead on every single show with as many as they do on a tour. At the Cleveland show this year, on VOC it was the same note he hit, however it doesn't sound the same because his scream isn't crystal clear like it used to be. I think that's it right there, it's not the crisp, crystal clear scream of old. But yes, like you said, it's still damn incredible and better than anyone on the planet can do.
There are so many other songs for Priest to do, they should drop Painkiller. But what I think is funny is that when they DID do Painkiller last year, people were bitching about Rob's voice on it. So this year, they DROP Painkiller from the set list and people are bitching because they want to hear Painkiller...... they just can't win!
I would LOVE for them to bring back Beyond the Realms of Death. I remember when they brought that song back on the Ram It Down tour. I screamed so loud half my section turned to look at me! Then after the song was over, some dude tapped me on the shoulder and asked what the name of the song was and what album it was off of. When I told him, he got a funny look on his face. I told him it was an AWESOME album and to GO BUY IT!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:39:02 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:50:27 PM | |
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Thats what I am saying to Freeze and like D.O.E. said,I'd rather hear him in a lower range than see him desperately doubled over trying to screach out a note like the signiture scream in "Painkiller".....lol! To hellrider out there....I have no doubt that maybe once in a blue moon Rob may have hit that scream when you saw them,but it is "VERY FEW" and far between,I've heard about 4 or 5 versions live of Painkiller since Rob has been back with Priest and all of them he comes up short with the Painkiller scream and he sounds like the wicked witch of the east when shes melting.....melting aaarrgghhhhhh!! LOL!!!
Or it sounds like a dying chicken or something!! lol!! The point is I would rather hear the guitar bend idea instead of the signature scream by Rob if they continue to do the Painkiller track....I wouldn't mind at all if either K.K. or Glenn used thier guitar and pinched the harmonic high pitch and bend it all the way down in place of Rob's vocals...that would be the smart thing to do since Rob can't hit that fucking note anymore!! lol!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:08:15 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I agree with much of that, my friend. However, I am big on "giving the fans what they want". That is a HUGE reason they did the BS tour this year rather than Nostradamus. Honestly, I have no problem with them doing Painkiller or any other song for that matter. It is not the setlist to which I refer so much as it is the myopic views of so many fans. Rob does NOT sing that song very well, as you mentioned. In fact, I cannot think of a scream in ANY song (including Sinner or VoC) in which he can actually hit the same notes he did on the respective albums. He CANNOT do it. Of course, as mentioned, he needn't hit the exact note for the scream to be astonishing.
I have just grown weary of so many people trying to convince us that during their particular show, Rob was "dead on" and hit "every note perfectly". Right..and on EVERY other gig he did not...just YOURS. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry. I do not buy it. But as I said, I am all for them playing the old songs and all the favorites that so many of us hold dear. Just don't try to tell me he did it the same because we ALL know he cannot do it.
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Regarding that, they just ought to switch the setlist to songs Rob CAN still nail. All the Painkiller fans, I'm sorry, but I'd rather have the Metal God shining in a lower range than seeing him doubled over, killing himself to give us a raspy, barely held screeched Painkiller. Bring in Victim of Changes! Beyond the Realms of Death! They are more suited to his voice now, and have only the occasional scream to which I think he is still capable of adapting. Island of Domination would rock on stage, imo. There are just so MANY good Priest songs that would be killer on stage that Rob can still pull off, why insist on ruining his voice further for the sake of ONE song?
Personally I'd be even more radical and utterly BAN the Painkiller album (for the same reasons as mentioned above) and have him bet on the pre '88 (Ram it Down for all you 100% fans with the albums on your hard drives taken from some crappy spanish blog)
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I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, October 24, 2009 2:08:15 PM | |
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I agree with much of that, my friend. However, I am big on "giving the fans what they want". That is a HUGE reason they did the BS tour this year rather than Nostradamus. Honestly, I have no problem with them doing Painkiller or any other song for that matter. It is not the setlist to which I refer so much as it is the myopic views of so many fans. Rob does NOT sing that song very well, as you mentioned. In fact, I cannot think of a scream in ANY song (including Sinner or VoC) in which he can actually hit the same notes he did on the respective albums. He CANNOT do it. Of course, as mentioned, he needn't hit the exact note for the scream to be astonishing.
I have just grown weary of so many people trying to convince us that during their particular show, Rob was "dead on" and hit "every note perfectly". Right..and on EVERY other gig he did not...just YOURS. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry. I do not buy it. But as I said, I am all for them playing the old songs and all the favorites that so many of us hold dear. Just don't try to tell me he did it the same because we ALL know he cannot do it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:27:03 PM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | hear, hear DF
Regarding that, they just ought to switch the setlist to songs Rob CAN still nail. All the Painkiller fans, I'm sorry, but I'd rather have the Metal God shining in a lower range than seeing him doubled over, killing himself to give us a raspy, barely held screeched Painkiller. Bring in Victim of Changes! Beyond the Realms of Death! They are more suited to his voice now, and have only the occasional scream to which I think he is still capable of adapting. Island of Domination would rock on stage, imo. There are just so MANY good Priest songs that would be killer on stage that Rob can still pull off, why insist on ruining his voice further for the sake of ONE song?
Personally I'd be even more radical and utterly BAN the Painkiller album (for the same reasons as mentioned above) and have him bet on the pre '88 (Ram it Down for all you 100% fans with the albums on your hard drives taken from some crappy spanish blog)
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I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [DelivererofEvil] Saturday, October 24, 2009 1:27:03 PM | |
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hear, hear DF
Regarding that, they just ought to switch the setlist to songs Rob CAN still nail. All the Painkiller fans, I'm sorry, but I'd rather have the Metal God shining in a lower range than seeing him doubled over, killing himself to give us a raspy, barely held screeched Painkiller. Bring in Victim of Changes! Beyond the Realms of Death! They are more suited to his voice now, and have only the occasional scream to which I think he is still capable of adapting. Island of Domination would rock on stage, imo. There are just so MANY good Priest songs that would be killer on stage that Rob can still pull off, why insist on ruining his voice further for the sake of ONE song?
Personally I'd be even more radical and utterly BAN the Painkiller album (for the same reasons as mentioned above) and have him bet on the pre '88 (Ram it Down for all you 100% fans with the albums on your hard drives taken from some crappy spanish blog)
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I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:39:02 AM | |
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I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes.
Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not.
I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:41:44 AM | |
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Well look at you "tasnam1"(  ) aren't you "special" you like "anything" they do,your opinion really means nothing dude they could put out a disco album and you'd like it.
And I suppose that makes you the #1 Priest fan in the freaking world also am I correct? Please. You are a "fan-boy" like a little dog following somebody around,obviously you have no game.
And so the fuck what if you "find all this Turbo,hate Ripper,Hate Nos,ect....amusing,who the fuck are you anyways ya fuckin geek? A nobody. If you don't like this thread,stay the fuck out of it dumbshit.
Or do you need special instructions?I get so tired of idiots like you. Mother fucker. 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Friday, October 23, 2009 10:28:34 PM)
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I find all this hate Turbo, hate Ripper, hate NOS, ect.... amusing..
This is so simple:
I AM the 100% Priest Fan because....
I LOVE Judas Priest Music and band 100% All the time! - #1 Band of all time! - ALL ALBUMS, ALL Eras, ALL singers. Period!
Give me ANY Album, Any Song, Any time!
How is that people!?!?!?
We can end this thread can't we!?!?!?!
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:27:12 AM | |
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LOL! Yeah I hear ya....its just that when you hear that song you expect that signiture scream and when he can't hit it,it kinda fizzles out ya know? LOL! But I have no doubt that he can still sing the track,just not every night.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 23, 2009 11:36:38 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | well im not saying HE hits the notes every night on the MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLER but he sure did last year in toronto man that was intese seriously i felt my brain rattle and my face was being riped off he made it a extra long scream to.youtube videos dont do justise .the live experience (HEAVEN) sounds so much better.must be cracking the microphone in the unit that is recording or something some of the times anyways..lol
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | LOL!!!! Yeah but Rob's voice on "most" Painkiller recorded tracks "sucks" worse than my giutar bend idea!! HAHAHAH!! He sounds like a dying "Elmo"!!!!! LOL hellrider!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | YOOOOHHHHHH J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR.well if he has trouble some night.SO FUC?EN WHAT.fine totally understand no problem.personally.i dont like your idea with the guitars i think it sucks.lol.(kidding man lol.for me it would definatly lack AGRESSION AND POOOOOOOWWWWWEEEERRRRR MAN AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah I know hellrider,but if he could possibly sense the nights he can't hit that note,he should have Glenn or Ken pinch the harmonics and bend them
but for the nights he can hit them then he could belt it out! I'm just not sure if there is any way for him of knowing or sensing that he can't hit it on certain
nights? So I'm not saying he can't hit it anymore by all means,just would be nice to hear the guitars doing it when he can't.
(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 23, 2009 4:55:54 PM)
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IF YOU WERE AT THE 2008 TORONTO SHOW I AM SURE YOU WOULD CHANGE YOUR MIND COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDEEEERRRRRR about HALFORD HITTING THAT SIGNITURE SCREAM IN THE MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLER.i posted a video in the next album thread it is pretty good quality but not nearly as good as the live thing
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Well,I "HATE" the "TURBO" album and Priest...Live! Is "watered down" to me,it lacks "power" and the old songs they played live on that album sound "turboized"!! LOL JOE!! They do...Electric Eye ect..they all sound like "TURBO"!
And the new album "A Touch Of Evil Live" well maybe its the "Painkiller" track that turned me off of this album.I never bought it and its just not my thing I guess,its not as bad as Priest Live! but there is something about it that turns me off and I don't really know "what" that is?
And about the "Painkiller" track these days played live....since Rob obviously can not hit that signiture "scream" in Painkller,why doesn't Glenn or Ken just pinch a high pitched harmonic and bend it down in place of Rob's vocals trying to do it? I think it would "sound" wayyy better and it would save him from trying to belt this out.If there are some shows that he can hit that scream,then so be it but if he thinks he can't hit it,then they should use the guitar bend idea!
(Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06:43 PM)
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What????? What's wrong with Priest... Live! and A Touch of Evil: Live aside from Rob's vocals sucking ass on Painkiller?
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I sure don't own every album by our Priest...I don't and will not own Turbo,Priest Live!,Demolition,Live In London,Nostradamus and A Touch Of Evil "live". Those 6 albums I don't care to have.
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| [hellrider 31038] Friday, October 23, 2009 11:36:38 PM | |
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well im not saying HE hits the notes every night on the MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLER but he sure did last year in toronto man that was intese seriously i felt my brain rattle and my face was being riped off he made it a extra long scream to.youtube videos dont do justise .the live experience (HEAVEN) sounds so much better.must be cracking the microphone in the unit that is recording or something some of the times anyways..lol
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, October 23, 2009 10:20:20 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | LOL!!!! Yeah but Rob's voice on "most" Painkiller recorded tracks "sucks" worse than my giutar bend idea!! HAHAHAH!! He sounds like a dying "Elmo"!!!!! LOL hellrider!!!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | YOOOOHHHHHH J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR.well if he has trouble some night.SO FUC?EN WHAT.fine totally understand no problem.personally.i dont like your idea with the guitars i think it sucks.lol.(kidding man lol.for me it would definatly lack AGRESSION AND POOOOOOOWWWWWEEEERRRRR MAN AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah I know hellrider,but if he could possibly sense the nights he can't hit that note,he should have Glenn or Ken pinch the harmonics and bend them
but for the nights he can hit them then he could belt it out! I'm just not sure if there is any way for him of knowing or sensing that he can't hit it on certain
nights? So I'm not saying he can't hit it anymore by all means,just would be nice to hear the guitars doing it when he can't.
(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 23, 2009 4:55:54 PM)
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IF YOU WERE AT THE 2008 TORONTO SHOW I AM SURE YOU WOULD CHANGE YOUR MIND COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDEEEERRRRRR about HALFORD HITTING THAT SIGNITURE SCREAM IN THE MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLER.i posted a video in the next album thread it is pretty good quality but not nearly as good as the live thing
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Well,I "HATE" the "TURBO" album and Priest...Live! Is "watered down" to me,it lacks "power" and the old songs they played live on that album sound "turboized"!! LOL JOE!! They do...Electric Eye ect..they all sound like "TURBO"!
And the new album "A Touch Of Evil Live" well maybe its the "Painkiller" track that turned me off of this album.I never bought it and its just not my thing I guess,its not as bad as Priest Live! but there is something about it that turns me off and I don't really know "what" that is?
And about the "Painkiller" track these days played live....since Rob obviously can not hit that signiture "scream" in Painkller,why doesn't Glenn or Ken just pinch a high pitched harmonic and bend it down in place of Rob's vocals trying to do it? I think it would "sound" wayyy better and it would save him from trying to belt this out.If there are some shows that he can hit that scream,then so be it but if he thinks he can't hit it,then they should use the guitar bend idea!
(Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06:43 PM)
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What????? What's wrong with Priest... Live! and A Touch of Evil: Live aside from Rob's vocals sucking ass on Painkiller?
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I sure don't own every album by our Priest...I don't and will not own Turbo,Priest Live!,Demolition,Live In London,Nostradamus and A Touch Of Evil "live". Those 6 albums I don't care to have.
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| [tasnam1] Friday, October 23, 2009 10:28:34 PM | |
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I find all this hate Turbo, hate Ripper, hate NOS, ect.... amusing..
This is so simple:
I AM the 100% Priest Fan because....
I LOVE Judas Priest Music and band 100% All the time! - #1 Band of all time! - ALL ALBUMS, ALL Eras, ALL singers. Period!
Give me ANY Album, Any Song, Any time!
How is that people!?!?!?
We can end this thread can't we!?!?!?!
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, October 23, 2009 10:20:20 PM | |
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LOL!!!! Yeah but Rob's voice on "most" Painkiller recorded tracks "sucks" worse than my giutar bend idea!! HAHAHAH!! He sounds like a dying "Elmo"!!!!! LOL hellrider!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 23, 2009 6:44:00 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | YOOOOHHHHHH J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR.well if he has trouble some night.SO FUC?EN WHAT.fine totally understand no problem.personally.i dont like your idea with the guitars i think it sucks.lol.(kidding man lol.for me it would definatly lack AGRESSION AND POOOOOOOWWWWWEEEERRRRR MAN AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yeah I know hellrider,but if he could possibly sense the nights he can't hit that note,he should have Glenn or Ken pinch the harmonics and bend them
but for the nights he can hit them then he could belt it out! I'm just not sure if there is any way for him of knowing or sensing that he can't hit it on certain
nights? So I'm not saying he can't hit it anymore by all means,just would be nice to hear the guitars doing it when he can't.
(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 23, 2009 4:55:54 PM)
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hellrider 31038 wrote: |
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IF YOU WERE AT THE 2008 TORONTO SHOW I AM SURE YOU WOULD CHANGE YOUR MIND COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDEEEERRRRRR about HALFORD HITTING THAT SIGNITURE SCREAM IN THE MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLER.i posted a video in the next album thread it is pretty good quality but not nearly as good as the live thing
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Well,I "HATE" the "TURBO" album and Priest...Live! Is "watered down" to me,it lacks "power" and the old songs they played live on that album sound "turboized"!! LOL JOE!! They do...Electric Eye ect..they all sound like "TURBO"!
And the new album "A Touch Of Evil Live" well maybe its the "Painkiller" track that turned me off of this album.I never bought it and its just not my thing I guess,its not as bad as Priest Live! but there is something about it that turns me off and I don't really know "what" that is?
And about the "Painkiller" track these days played live....since Rob obviously can not hit that signiture "scream" in Painkller,why doesn't Glenn or Ken just pinch a high pitched harmonic and bend it down in place of Rob's vocals trying to do it? I think it would "sound" wayyy better and it would save him from trying to belt this out.If there are some shows that he can hit that scream,then so be it but if he thinks he can't hit it,then they should use the guitar bend idea!
(Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06:43 PM)
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What????? What's wrong with Priest... Live! and A Touch of Evil: Live aside from Rob's vocals sucking ass on Painkiller?
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I sure don't own every album by our Priest...I don't and will not own Turbo,Priest Live!,Demolition,Live In London,Nostradamus and A Touch Of Evil "live". Those 6 albums I don't care to have.
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, October 23, 2009 8:41:35 PM | |
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I matted and framed the poster for my brother. HAAAAA!! Which do YOU say I keep. I say both!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 23, 2009 7:45:48 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | hell yeah guido thats awesome man.
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| [hellrider 31038] Friday, October 23, 2009 7:45:48 PM | |
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hell yeah guido thats awesome man.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, October 23, 2009 7:11:29 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | When the most expensive "painting" (he didn't actually "paint" in in person) in your house is a framed AOR Print from Mark himself.
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| [hellrider 31038] Friday, October 23, 2009 7:24:45 PM | |
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lol.yeah exactly
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by K2M from Friday, October 23, 2009 7:13:53 PM)| | | K2M wrote: | | You told JD that his Guitar bend pinch harmonic idea sucked. It made me laugh so thank you.
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| [K2M] Friday, October 23, 2009 7:13:53 PM | |
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You told JD that his Guitar bend pinch harmonic idea sucked. It made me laugh so thank you.
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When the most expensive "painting" (he didn't actually "paint" in in person) in your house is a framed AOR Print from Mark himself.
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