I agree in what you said Freeze, it's a good album but is far from being one of their best.... why did you say "Rob went through his "gay sex" phase with Defenders"?? (I mean why do you say it was in Defenders and not other album)

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		I understand your point, jimmy. Personally, I like the album but I have been saying since day one that it is not my favorite. Like you, I do not simply rave on everything the Band produces. Not a big fan of Turbo at all. Not afraid to admit it, either. Nostradamus is a valiant effort at something that , eventually, most of the "greats" attempt. The Wall, Tommy...you get the idea. I suppose, in the Band's defense, that it is exactly the kind of subject matter we should expect from them. I mean, Rob already went through his "gay sex" phase with Defenders, right? I do not rate Nostradamus in my top five but I have no problem with it. There are some great songs and the Band accomplished exactly what they wanted to with it. It is supposed to emote a dark, forboding feeling and it succeeds. As for the quality of it on a song by song basis, I feel Stained Class, Painkiller and the other "classics" far exceed it. As for playing it in it's entirety, I do believe that it will happen. They have said they want to and, let's face it, if they were worried about selling out arenas, they would have changed their style a LONG time ago. Perhaps went to screaming and indecipherable growling? I don't know. The thing is, they are at a point where they do not have to play to fifty thousand people in order to survive or remain relevant. They are far beyond that. We will see a Nostradamus ONLY show. Count on it.

He thinks he does, and we dont want to disapoint him. Oh, and dont tell him that santa isnt real either.

		Soylentgreen4u wrote:
		WHOA!...WHOA!!!...YOU LOST CONTROL???...AS IF TO SUGGEST WHAT?...YOU EVER HAD CONTROL?...      Deep Freeze wrote: You know, I ranted about this Travolta thing this morning and somehow, it morphed into this latest conversation. Just how the heck did I lose control here? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, there was no Paris Hilton. That must count for something.

		Head banger wrote:
		so, there is nothing good about socialism then?      _strat_ wrote: Nah. We had tabloids and gossip pages in newspapers back in socialism. Its not really a matter of a socio-economic system... Its just people that want to see whats going on in another ones bedroom, particulary if that other one is rich and famous. And the basic hypocrisy, of course. Gloating on the sexual affairs of the famous, when you may have one yourself (speaking in general, of course, not about you). Makes people feel better about themselves, I guess.      Head banger wrote: whats sad is that the people who edit these magazines are all hoping that the autopsy shows that he was licking toads, or beter yet, got into his fathers stash of crack, cause think how many headlines they could write and magazines they could sell if its proven that his death was not just a random medical issue, but was someones fault.   I guess its capitalism, this might be the best argument for socialism.  its like prostitution, only the prostitute at least gets some money, and has a choice.      Deep Freeze wrote: Oh I agree, Bev. The average person seems to eat this crap up and beg for more. Look at the proliferation of these Hollywood gossip magazines! The damn things cost five bucks a piece and they sell like crazy every Friday. I know because the Princess insists that I get her three or four of them every week! Seriously, there is some sick fascination there that I just do not understand.      Bev wrote: Think it has something to do with sales, capitolism, etc. ; )      Deep Freeze wrote: Let's be clear. NOT about a child dying! About the sensationalism of all this.      Bev wrote: I am trying to imagine you are actually pissed off about this!      Deep Freeze wrote: OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said; WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??  For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis?  NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings. I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!! I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.