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[never_surrender] Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:59:53 PM 
First off, all of us posting here are Priest fans and I don't have the right to judge how another fan judges this album.

With that said, I will just try to explain why I dig this as a Priest album and not just as a concept album or a metal opera or anything of that sort.

There is a huge difference between the short interludes in this album and say, a Motley Crue ballad.

These short interludes are not what the 80s hair metal chicks dig, if you know what I mean.

These interludes serve as a light (but still dark in their lyrics and atmosphere) background on which the heavier Priest-like hard-driving songs explode into.

Lost Love is a song which is very emotional but still not a Deff Leppard ballad. It still sounds Priest to me.

I like listening to all the 23 tracks in this record but if I wanted something close to a Painkiller or a Defenders, I will just listen to Prophecy, Revelations, Death (not just 'A tocuh of evil', by God a lot more than that), Conquest, Persecution, and Nostradamus.

Still we are left with Exiled, Alone, Visions, Future of Mankind which sound clearly Priest to my ears. Painkiller was not the only album they put out. They have a huge catalog and all of these songs fit one way or another what Priest sound like.

If you ask me, I would say this album is a shot in the arm for classic heavy metal sounds in a world where the Arch Enemies, Dimmu Borgirs (what in the world is that supposed to freaking mean?) and Avenged Sevenfolds also ply their trade.
[doggiedogma] Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:54:52 PM 
I also believe this new album shold have been released under a different band moniker, because this is NOT the music that made JP the "Metal Gods".  This is NOTHING like the first 4 JP albums, those albums are 99% heavy metal and 1% ballads; the new one is the exact opposite! This should have been released under a JP side project because it is not JP IMO!  Comparing this album to Sad Wings, Sin After sin etc.. is wrong and misleading IMO.
I LOVE JP, but NOT this JP; it is alien to me!
Edited at: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:55:42 PM
[metalmaz] Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:02:42 AM 
The more I listen, the less I like it. I've tried so hard to get into it. 

There are some very good songs there, but overall I'm very let down.

This album seems to have caused a real split with Priest fans. There is the usual "If you don't like it you're stuipd and you're not a Priest fan"  countered with "If you like this pile of shit you must have brain damage"

I don't like it, but I respect those of you who do.   
[Metallark] Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:43:44 AM 
To take it in context, it is my understanding that this Priest effort was geared to play in it's entirely on a Nostradamus tour as well.  Most reports indicated that this was to be more along the lines of a metal opera with theatrics, etc. on the tour. Given that, it seems a good explanation for it's length. Some die-hard expectations seem to indicate a classic hard-driving Priest album. Personally I feel they delivered both. The more I listen the more I enjoy.
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[guidogodoy] Friday, July 11, 2008 5:05:40 PM 
You know, I think it is really interesting how people can listen to the same thing and come away with almost opposite impressions. I was actually driving around the other day listening to Nostra and thinking how much I enjoyed it just BECAUSE the album has so many traces of what I have always enjoyed in Priest. Riffs, phrasing, chord progressions, lyrics, shifting from dark to light, how "I am Nostradamus" goes to that almost evil tone of "Do you BELIEEEEEVE!" With absolutely NO technical knowledge of scales and such, it is tough to describe. I could isolate certain "runs" and, if I had the talent and / or patience and could even cite the song where I heard it before if I sat down and thought about it. Sadly, I have neither! Haaaa!!

Is it just because I am a "diehard" Priest fan and think that they can do no wrong? Hmmm…maybe. However, I was also once a diehard Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth fan. I thought they all started producing disasters at one point or another. As hard as I tried to like it, I HATED the last Maiden album. Likewise, I didn't like Ripper-era Priest, didn't like Two, not really a huge fan of Fight although I really liked Halford. I like (not love) Glenn’s solo projects. Why Priest? Question of a lifetime. I am just thankful to have lived during theirs.

Not to say that those who didn’t like it are not “true” fans, by any means. Far from it. A Priest fan of ANY sort is a great thing in my book. For me, though, Nostra gets two thumbs up. If this is their “downfall” they can take me with them.
Long live the Mighty Priest. Amen!
[Head banger] Friday, July 11, 2008 3:58:08 PM 
tunnel hats off?


IDK, I dont love it, dont hate it.  I do hear a bit of rocka rolla in it, which doesnt help me.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, July 11, 2008 3:43:29 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, July 11, 2008 3:43:29 PM 
I am a fan since 1980(28 years).....and I still can't hear any old JP in this new album.....maybe 1% of 1 song if you really dig hard......but overall....I just can't hear it,I wish I could though(lol!).   So I am a "long time fan"....and I just don't think that this is anywhere near the top 10 Judas Priest recordings.....I believe they went a little to far in the studio...got a bit carried away with this epic opera idea....107 minutes long and 10 soft ballads is a bit much for me...I could'nt stay awake long enough to even hardly finish the listen(lol!). 

Hey,hats off(even though I hat hats!lol!)to Judas Priest for giving it thier 100% best effort they could possibly do at this time,Ialway consider them my favorite band and always will,but I still think that Nostradamus was not done the right ways. 10 ballads is way too soft for this band even doing an opera.......its like 10 tracks worth of "Out In The Cold"....or 10 tracks worth of "Night Comes Down"...or 10 tracks of "Angel".....now I do like these tracks...but to listen to all of them at once is not my idea of a good time,unless I'm going to go to bed listening to these tracks.  It just should of been more heavy and alot shorter of an album.
 
But I am glad that 99% almost 100% of all of you on JP.com love this album to death.....good for you guys......I however can only hope that this band's career is not over after this long epic opera album. 
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[Healer] Friday, July 11, 2008 12:23:36 PM 
Well said, Totally agree about us long time fans appriciating it a lot more. I think it even brings back a bit of Rocka-Rolla too.
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[Maple Syrup] Friday, July 11, 2008 11:47:29 AM 
I am enjoying Nostradamus. Sure, it is not your Standard British Metal album, but there are heavy songs done in a different way. I like how Rob's voice transcends you back to the old say Sad Wings or Sin after Sin days. Althought there are a few prodding songs and some of the intro stuff are a bit long, I think you have to view it as a whole epic piece. Maybe it is a bit obscure for the new Priest fan, but for the diehards it puts alot of perspective into Priest and their careers, which is literally at the sunset. They can do what the want and it is still meaningful to me after following them for 30 years. Maybe the outside world is scratching their heads and saying why did they release this? But, this JP fan is smiling and looking forward to seeing them live again in August for the 35th time. Thanks for all the years of music and the new Nostradamus JP.       

MSyrup
[GRINDER *] Friday, July 11, 2008 9:20:40 AM 
Think this is a chapter (good one)in the history of Judas Priest, it doesn't mean that they will play like this in the future albums

Defend The Faith

Grinder
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:52:26 PM 
I agree Great White. I can't hear anything that sounds like early Priest in Nostradamus as so many claim.I think that the majority of fans are just excited that a new Priest album is released......it will be interesting to hear what people have to say about this LP in about 3 years when it's no longer new.  
I think that if the band is going to continue with the new style and sound of the new album...then maybe the band should change thier name from Judas Priest to "Nostradamus"......??? no?   

I can't and never understood why the band feels that they need to "change the face and sound of heavy metal"??? They tried this with 3 albums.....Turbo....Demolition....and now Nostradamus.....I think that Ram It Down is even a better example of what JP is about over the new album.
Yes they tried something new,but "new" is not always "better".  
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:32:12 PM)
[Great White] Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:32:12 PM 

Nostradamus is no where near what the first three albums are like, I grew up listening to Rocka Rolla, sad wings, etc.  I love those albums, but the new CD is very dark.  Yes this album is not to my taste, yet every other album, aside from Turbo are.  We all have our opinions and there will always be people who like and dislike an album.  I wish other people would respect their opionions.  I have no problem with people who say they love this album.  That's great, just because I don't doesn't make me any less a fan than anyone else.  Priest rock!!!! They always will!

[JayDee  Jepsen] Monday, July 07, 2008 1:32:56 AM 
JUDAS PRIEST takes a sharp dive on the Billboard 200.....JP dropping from #11 - #40.  Without radio support JP Nostradamus will be off the charts by next week or two.
[Scott Gavin] Monday, July 07, 2008 12:16:28 AM 
Review from the New Zealand Herald [ the countrys biggest daily newspaper].

Four stars [ out of 5]

One of the most influential metal bands ever builds a concept around one of the greatest seers into an epic and sprawling Nostra-drama. Its not the future of rock n' roll but bombastic never sounded quite so fantastic. ipod essential : Death.

Couldn't agree more, and for those complaining about the tempo of the songs, I would argue that most of their songs are this tempo, its the ones that aren't that stand out [ like er ... Nostrodamus for example.] It may be a bit more lightweight, soft even, but what, ... Living after midnight isn't? most of turbo isn't, Last rose of summer isn't?. You don't have to love it, I don't like turbo, most of point of entry, and even a lot of Screaming. I think its obvious that its a polarising album, that in ten or fifteen years people will still be talking about [ and thats the sign of a classic .... , or a disaster - now I'm confusing myself!] Like it or lump it, thats the curse of the Priest fan.
[Turtle44] Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:54:05 PM 
I really don't think that this is the downfall of Priest. I just think that they are trying something different here and are experimenting. It is new direction that they are taking and want to see how everything goes. One has to have a open mind when listening to this cd.
[aceroperuano] Sunday, July 06, 2008 1:10:18 PM 
 I know I have posted this in other theme but i feel I have to do it here too:

I want  to make things clear, I adore Judas Priest, I live for Judas,  I even constantly sware over the symbolic image of Rob leather pants or studed leather jacket(I actually do!), but.......but I really don't like this album, and I think that being a Judas Priest  doesn't mean that i should be bland at the hour of critisize his work, or praise every new album they get out like is a new painkiller or stained class,  so  this is it: this is not a good Judas Priest album, why?? lets see, Rob: great vocals, Glen and KK: awesome guitar player, Ian hill: he do a good work, Scott Travis: excellent drums man, so why this is a bad album?? because almost 90% of the song are midpaced, kinda low tune, a profuse use of synth(cut it out!), I mean a little is right but for godsake this is Judas Priest!! heavy metal in its purest form!! and I wanted like that, this album have a bland sound and not Priest sound,  it haves its moments(War, Visions,etc) but  I think this is the "hey  guys!  lets make  experimental/conceptual music just for the fun" album,this should be a one disc album, cause were many fillers songs this time, what amaze coming from a band like Priest.

 I think this was unavoidable, they have to make and experimental album so they could grow musically and see what it fits really with Judas Priest music and style, I give this album a 6.5 on a 10 scale, and believes me, it hurts me to gave that pointage, I only hope next album would be better.

So this is it, now you can stone me to death for been a Judas Priest heretic,  but at least I know that I feel better(or worse, depend how you see it) for writting these here...this is my katarsis.
[Scott Gavin] Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:29:02 PM 
Its 'cos we forget to! Future of mankind is my new favourite.My Wife thinks its very reminiscent of Floyd's The Wall. Responding to criticisms that Scott's drumming has been 'phoned in' as it were, or is a drum machine [ on some songs this may be the case, but only ones where there is hardly any percussion], or that Ian Hill is invisible on the album [ also valid on some songs] this song proves them wrong. Its funny all the criticisms I hear, remind me of how I felt the FIRST time I heard the album, and I sort of thought they might have a point, but now I've been listening to it for a couple of weeks, you can hear new things all the time; the bass lines, the drum fills, the harmonies and Rob's backing vocals. People criticising the album have obviously only listened to it once [ at a stretch twice] and haven't given it its due. That is also a poor way to review any piece of music. I really do prefer disc 2 over one [ hard call though] seems like hit after hit; Exile, Alone [ which should be a legitimate chart hit], visions, Nostrodamus and Future Of Mankind. Its like a greatest hits already, even my kids love it [ which makes a lovely change from crazy frog and hip hop!].
[Bulldawg] Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:59:24 PM 
I don't know why I don't hear alot of people talking about "Future of Mankind" and "Persecution"....clearly two of the best songs on a great cd.
[Scott Gavin] Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:17:14 AM 
Rather than putting a negative spin on it, the fact that Nostrodamus is selling strongly enough to spend a second week in the US Top 40 is very encouraging. Not only did AOR enter the charts two places lower, it plummeted to somewhere like No.67 the following week, and then dissapeared out of the top 100. All unit sales across the board are lower so that argument is fatuous and irrelevant. It looks like Nostrodamus could spend a few more weeks in the US charts, hopefully boosted by the US tour starting in two weeks. Hopefully they'll add songs like Alone and Persecution to the setlist and drop the ponderous [ if atmospheric] Death. We have just bought a third copy of it [ one was a gift for a friend], as the version I burnt off for my wife has all the tracks individualised so there is a 'stop' in between each song. Great anti-piracy ploy, but we were happy to buy again, cheaper in NZ than on Amazon US anyway! Radio stations here really plugging the album and the show, big posters up in central Auckland, its like a dream come true.
[.] Friday, July 04, 2008 9:18:16 PM 
Slam is for punk rockers.

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[.] Friday, July 04, 2008 5:08:43 PM 

I don't think the first cd is slow. Persecution is very thrash metal. And so is Nostradamus. The top two favorites so far are Prophecy and Revelations. Nostradamus a close third. 
If this is the downfall of Judas Priest, I want to go to the hell they will end up in.


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[spapad] Friday, July 04, 2008 3:03:43 PM 
I respect you opinion, but it is good..........it's just not to your taste. You must have  a problem listening to the early stuff. Its all great and meant for everyone to interperate to their own means.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM)
[Great White] Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM 

I wouldn't call this album the "Downfall of JP" I would call it a mediocre album, just as Turbo was.  It certainly isn't their best for sure.  I know some of you are going to slam me for this opinion, but I gotta say what I gotta say.  Great, fantastic that they tried something new, but I believe they'll note that it isn't what the majority of Priest fans are wanting and more than likely go back to what they know best......rockin' Heavy Metal, not trudging dark metal.

[metalmaz] Friday, July 04, 2008 1:09:53 PM 
I wouldn't mind the length of it if it was consistently strong   

If there are going to make a double album at least don't pad it out with fillers.





 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Master of all Metal from Friday, July 04, 2008 1:02:21 PM)
[Master of all Metal] Friday, July 04, 2008 1:02:21 PM 
Perhaps Judas Priest should release an EP for those people with short attention spans that think Nostradamus is too long. Maybe 4-5 songs would be better, but then the complaint would probably be that it's too short. I'm guessing that I'm not the only one that can't get enough Priest material... the longer the better. And what a great deal Nostradamus is... essentially two albums for the price of one.
[Skybreaker] Friday, July 04, 2008 10:02:46 AM 
Week Ending June 29, 2008:

"Judas Priest's Nostradamus falls from #11 to #40 in its second week, a 69% sales drop. That's the biggest drop of any album in the top 200. Of course, Nostradamus was such a great seer, he could see this coming."
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[Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:59:20 PM 

Exactly. They did what they said they were gonna do.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metallark from Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:14:17 PM)
[Metallark] Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:14:17 PM 
It is a little long. I took some advice and edited it down to the songs that I thought were meaner and rocked.

There are enough songs to make a killer, shorter CD.

I thought ALONE was classic Judas Priest.

Notions by some that this is a let-down are absurd. They delivered what they promised...A metal concept album. Nothing more.

LIVE...LONG...PRIEST
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[Justin Kenny] Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:56:32 PM 
Like my grandfather used to say,   "Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one...."

I haven't let any discouraging words from those who've not been able to embrace  "NOSTRADAMUS" dampen my spirits  or my interest in what this opus sounds like start to  finish.     At best, all I've been able to do is get 30 second long snippets courtesy of those  "Have A LIsten" booths at Borders...where you scan the CD you're interested in sampling, and you get at least a taste of what's happ'nin'.     Mind you...I've only gotten those snippets from the first CD, as it doesn't permit you to get snippets from the second CD.

In spite of that,  I'll grant everybody this much....sure...it's different.     Wanna know what?   I  expected it to be different.     Priest have been all about BEING different from word 'go...'   it's what has helped separate them from their peers and KEPT them separate from every other metal band that's emerged since.

As for  "NOSTRADAMUS"  being  Priest's downfall??     Psh...HARDLY.     Those of you who've been into Priest for 20 years or better might recall much the same thing being said when they released   "Turbo."     I remember the flak they got for how different an album like  "Point of Entry"  was from  "British Steel."      So...all in all,  people have been tossing the proverbial   "coffin nails"  at Judas Priest as far back as 1981...and yet...here they are in 2008 supporting a Top 40 album and STILL touring to the adoring throngs that attend.      Go figure....hardly sounds like a band suffering any real  "downfall"   to me.

Given Priest's penchant for expanding their own horizons, as well as the parameters of heavy metal music itself,  I've long come to expect there to be some discord and variance in thought and opinion from one release to the next....know what else?    So do Priest....they themselves know better than anyone else that pleasing every Priest fan en masse is next to impossible...let's remember something folks...Judas Priest are artists in every sense of the word...as such, whatever it is they create and put out there simply HAS to please them FIRST....if anything about  "NOSTRADAMUS"  didn't please them,  they'd still be working on it.      As for producing it themselves,  well...that's their right and prerogative....when you consider what producers want for their time and efforts these days,  I can't say I blame 'em for taking the reins creatively on every front imaginable.     Thus far, I've found no real fault in how the songs sound,  and for all this talk about Ian's bass being utterly lost in the mix....I dunno....I haven't heard Ian's bass THIS forward since   "Defenders of the Faith."

Priest know what they're doing folks...a band doesn't last and survive some 35 years being aloof and devil-may-care about their efforts.      You might love or hate what they do as it comes...but one should never deny a band's opportunity to grow and change.
[METAL MELTDOWN] Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:52:59 AM 
I have yet to have that oppty myself....
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[Bev] Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:30:48 AM 
IMO ... this thread does suck, giant monkey nuts!
It's OK to have your own opinion, and such.
Mine is that the topic of this thread is a bit over the top
[metalmaz] Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:17:39 AM 
Well I've listened to Nostradamus a lot and I'm afraid just can't get into it at all.

I had doubts when I heard it was going to be a concept albums and sad to say my full fears have been realised

Firstly it's FAR TOO LONG. It's in need of serious editing.  On the whole it's a mistake to let musicians produce their albums. The Jimny Pages of the world can get away with it, but most groups can't.. Possibly it's an ego thing-  band members insisting that their particular song should be included.  This album needed a producer (such as Tom) who could rack the whip and chuck out the songs that frankly just don't  hack it.

It's samey. Most of the time, I'm hard pushed telling one song from another. It's almost like listening to a metal Andrew Llloyd Webber.

Glen And KK are in good form and Halford is vocally stronger than on Angel Of Retribution. But Hill may have well not have been there. He's been mixed so far down  he may has well not have bothered playing. And what the hell have they done with  the brilliant Travis. From the sounds of it, they've used a fucking drum machine.    

There are a few very good songs on Nostradamus. But I have to say I'm let down. After hearing this, I just stick on Stained Class, Painkiller, Screaming For Vengeance , Sad Wings, British Steel etc. That's what Priest are about. 

I'm all for groups progressing. I certainly don't expect them to stick to the same format as British Steel.  I really like Angel Of Retribution and even Lochness has grown on me.  
And I'm not stuck in the past. Look how brilliantly Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Megadeth, Saxon and others have matured. Iron Maiden's BMW and AMOLAD are amongst their best. I also love United Abominations and The System Has Failed. I think the same about Saxon - Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum  is probably their best music to date. Thye've all progressed, but haven't lost their identity like Priest have with this release.

I will no doubt  get a bollocking for this - people have been flamed by some (not all) members of this forum for being so wicked and disloyal for daring to post negative comments. Sadly it seems that only being pro is allowed.
[Jeanine] Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:05:44 AM 
I am falling more and more in love with this album.  Everytime I hear it, I pick up on something new.  Exiled is haunting.  This CD just takes me away, it is like reading a novel and getting lost in in.  This is what Judas Priest is to me.  I am impressed and happy. 
[spapad] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:42:43 PM 
LOL. Good comment.
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[Dan Marshall29116] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:41:04 PM 
Listening to the entire album for the 4th time. I liked it on the first and it gets better and better with each subsequent play. I now fucking love it. I find that the people that don't like it also believe that high school was the greatest years of their life. peace
[Freek] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:23:12 PM 
I LOVE THIS ONE

2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard

You obviously weren't awaiting the release of TURBO with baited breath on the heels of classics such as Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith.... 

gimme a break you wannabe fan..

If you want PAINKILLER, just put it on and listen to it....
[rockahana] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:43:56 PM 

silent all the queen is speaking....

" THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE PAINKILLER!!!!"

 

[Head banger] Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:03:20 PM 
some people everywhere are stupid, its one of the universal constants

on to the album.  I like it.  not the best, but I am still waiting for the opportunity to listen to it for one sitting, in the dark with no distractions.
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[METAL MELTDOWN] Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:17:55 AM 
Some people on this website are really dumb!!  Do you honestly think Jayne Andrews decides the music Priest plays and records!! 

This album IS different.  Is it better than Painkiller or British Steel or Sad Wings?  IMO no BUT it is well thought out, well recorded and an overall excellent production.  Yes my opinion now differs from a few weeks ago.  I stated that I wanted another Painkiller, barnburner, album and was dissapointed in that respect but I change my tune by seeing and hearing everything in this recording.

This is a stage that priest has not stepped on before and it will take time for some to realize the value of this recording and just how good it is. Its different, not bad.........
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:27:54 AM 

Angel Of Retribution is far more of an elite Judas Priest album than Nostradamus in my opinion......it just goes to show how fans opinions vary in many ways. Not to say that Nostradamus is not a good album or anything....it's just that theres no way that it could touch this album.


Edited at: Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:32:57 AM
[.] Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:00:06 AM 
I only half agree with you there. I think Angel of Retribution was the only weaker album they put out in many years, if you leave out Demolition....but Demolition I only heard once a long time ago so I can't really say anything bad about it. Oh...the keyboards....

 In retrospect, AOR - 'cause it's been a few years since - was about getting reunited with a vital song writing partner. Lockness, fess up, left me quite.... can't describe the ?! in enough detail. But there is NOTHING to hate about any JP albums, and certainly not  about Nostradamus. I don't understand the hatred for this album either except that whoever hates it hasn't listened to it besides the VH1 and MTV leaks. 
When I heard it through the internet I was left thinking: "It took how many years to come up with this?" But there is really no reason NOT to buy Nostradamus and if you can go to the concerts, by all means go. The album is really THAT good.
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[Scott Gavin] Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:40:32 AM 
Yeah, gotta agree with you there. Painkiller is totally overrated. Its great alright, the production is superb, but I can remember to this day buying it and it kinda just left me cold, and peoples blinkered use of it as Priest's ultimate recording despite its lack of real classics betrays the rest of their back catalogue. Every time I listen to it I'm impressed, but I rarely choose to listen to it. Love the title track, Touch Of Evil etc even Leather rebel [ possibly their daftest title]. Likewise Turbo [ or Turd-bo as some call it down here], have probably listened to it maybe three times. That said I love the live versions on Priest ... Live, particularly Rock You All Round The World, which I always put on Priest compilations I make for people, and even the turgid and juvenile Parental Guidance which was really beneath them in their mid 30's no less. AOR was great but not a killer, and in time Nostrodamus may probably be viewed the same way. I think a key difference with it maybe is that its damn catchy, the 2 titular songs, plague & pestilence, war, alone , visions are all melodic catchy songs and were it not for the subject matter and length, could probably have been singles. In fact to me, Alone sounds more like a Halford band song. Its a cracker album that gets better with each listen, people need to be patient and give it time, god knows they've got 150 odd other songs you can rock your socks off too, just take this for what it is or wait for the next one in 2-3 years.
[67gemini] Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:34:55 PM 
I just cannot understand all the hatred for this album. I think it is just amazing. I've been a fan since 1980 and I will be the first to admit that I've been dissapointed by them in the past.  I despised (and still hate) the Turbo album, most of Ram It Down, and much of (the completely overrated, IMO Painkiller). That being said, I think that AOR and now Nostradamus have put Priest right back on top of the metal heap.

Long Live the Priest!!

[Phantom A6] Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:33:36 PM 
The limits? Ya. Between the hammer and the anvil.
[TIMBONI] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:54:54 PM 
You really are testing the limits aren't you ?  Good luck at Catholic Church.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:48:45 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:48:45 PM 
PC?!?!? Me???? Now, now Tim. No reason to hit me "below the belt", as it were. I am about as far from PC as on can get. I will always look up moronic Threads with disdain, I can assure you. I also take great pains to be "open" to the views of others. I do not wish to perpetuate discord. If I can find a way to get everyone to be friends and have a nice discussion, I will.

In any event, I believe it is time for me to call it a night. I am beat and I have my niece's baptism tomorrow morning. Ah, the Catholic faith...nothing but a party! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Night All!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:37:42 PM)
[TIMBONI] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:37:42 PM 
Come on Freeze !  Since when are you so P.C. ?  The reason that these people create new threads is so they can stand up on their soap boxes, make a stupid comment and say "look at me".  I call them attention whores.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:34:56 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:34:56 PM 

HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!

Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!

I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Friday, June 27, 2008 5:12:08 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, June 27, 2008 5:21:17 PM 
Oh, yeah, like we dont know that you are the evil power on this site, controlling everyone and everything...


Admit it!!! Or its the comfty chair for you!

Also, admit that the Deep vs. Freeze was the best thread ever!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM)
[Eternal Betrayer] Friday, June 27, 2008 5:12:08 PM 
Fair enough, Mr Freeze. 

To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.

It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).





  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM)
[Soylentgreen4u] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:35:50 PM 
.........AHHHHHH PUT YOUR TEETH IN A GLASS AND GET BACK IN YOUR ROCKER YOU OLD FART!!!...
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM 

BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.

I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.

I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by soylentgreen4u from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:02:58 PM)
[Eternal Betrayer] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:08:04 PM 
I don't get the big deal about "too many" threads. 

Are we having to pay for each one? Or are we being forced to visit every one of them?

The answer appears to be no. So, why do some people feel they have the right to say what others should & shouldn't do, or can & cannot say!?

Oh yes, I remember.... freedom of speech!

Lighten up!
Edited at: Friday, June 27, 2008 4:11:28 PM
[Soylentgreen4u] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:02:58 PM 

.....PAST YOUR PILL TIME..OH,OH.......WHY DO PEOPLE GET SOOOOOOO UPSET AT ANOTHER PERSONS THOUGHTS ON HERE??? JUST LET IT GO MAN...I CAN UNDERSTAND BEING A BIT UPSET AT PERSONAL ATTACKS(WHICH SOME OF THE BONEHEADS HERE THRIVE ON) BUT EEEEEEEEASY MAN,WATCH YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE..YOU MUST BE WHAT...60 NOW! ....BE CALM.....OMMMMMM...OMMMMM...BREATHE IN,BREATHE OUT...BE ONE WITH NATURE!!!!....WHAT WAS THAT YOU JUST CALLED ME?...


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 3:40:54 PM)
[Alli] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:55:23 PM 
LOL Sorry I do know where u r coming from with the number of threads but I also had to vent as well lol! I've got it out my system now ........I think!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 3:40:54 PM)
[(THE REAL)fatman_rick] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:52:59 PM 
LET IT ALL OUT FREEZE ILL BE YOUR SHOULDER TO CRY ON. HAHA 

GOOD MAN.
[Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:40:54 PM 
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!!!! You guys are KILLING me!!!! This is NOT ABOUT FREE FRIGGIN' SPEECH or having an OPINON!!!!!  Alli, JD you guys know I love you dearly but I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE!!!!!  This has NOTHING to do with liking or disliking the new album!!!!  This is about creating A MILLION FRIGGIN' THREADS for the SAME FRIGGIN' SUBJECT!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh MAN!! I am going straight over the freaking cliff!!!  Hello WALL! How are YOU today?? Do YOU have an opinion?? GREAT !! Let me hear it!!  Oh? You don't like the new album? really? WOW!! THANK YOU, WALL!!!
Sorry you guys, but I had to let that out! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:23:21 PM 
Alli !!  I fully agree with you here. I'm sure that Judas Priest were aware that taking on such a project there would be risks. I'm just not sure why the band wanted to take these risks ....especially after missing Rob for almost 15 years....and only cranking out Angel Of Retribution before they drift off in obscurity......
Who's to say that Judas Priest will never recover from this? Maybe this new album is and will be the new sound and style for the band till the bands final day? Nobody knows for sure. If this is the new style and "sound" for the band for the rest of thier career.....then maybe Nostradamus "is" the downfall of Judas Priest after all,only the members of Judas Priest knows for sure. 


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Alli from Friday, June 27, 2008 3:08:25 PM)
Edited at: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:25:12 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:15:43 PM 
Sue........I agree with  some of"JudasPriest4Ever" ,I'm not bashing the band in any way,but he does have some valid points here. I personally think that the new album "robbed the band's crunchy metal riffs,and the band's intensity"...same as Turbo did in 1986......same as Demolition did in 2001...
I think this album was not done the correct way the band should of done it. The closest I can come to a perfect example to compare what the band should of done here would be Ronnie James Dio's   "MAGICA"  (Year 2000). That is a perfect example of an epic adventure with lots of instraments,a different approach but not over-doingt it and still have some heavy riffs and so on that Dios known for.....

And if "Rob" and the boys log on here and read that some people do not like the album...well,they are over 30 year veterens...don't you think that they are well used to criticism by now?  They ought to be. Glad you love the new album though...I wish I did........
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by sue.daglish from Friday, June 27, 2008 6:13:47 AM)
[Alli] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:08:25 PM 
I disagree that this thread should not be allowed. For one thing I don't think Priest do visit this site and for another if somebody doesn't like something why shouldn't they be able to say that? They are only voicing their opinion! So what your saying is if we don't like the album we shouldn't bother saying anything? Well I disagree I mean everybody is entitled to their opinion. I think saying the album is the downfall of Priest is a bit harsh but if you don;t like the album or have something negative to say about it then you should be allowed to say it! There are far too many fan boys prepared to just clap like a set of seals and go..........Oh Priest wonderful well sorry I don't think so! I don't think it's being disrespectful to say you don;t like the album if you don;t think it;s any good you should be just as entitled to say it as if you thought it was fantastic..........It;s called free speech!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by sue.daglish from Friday, June 27, 2008 6:13:47 AM)
[Eternal Betrayer] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:56:58 AM 
I believe it's called freedom of speech. I think the thing here is not to take it too seriously - the Nostradamus album, or the negative responses to it. 

Obviously, Priest themselves have found the solution, and just ignore it all, as much as possible.

Although, having said that; the fact they are playing different songs at the moment (Between The Hammer & The Anvil, Hell Patrol, Dissident Aggressor, Sinner, Eat Me Alive, Rock Hard Ride Free & Devil's Child etc) does show that someone is taking notice to what's been said here.

It's all good, anyway.

I don't think the new album is amazing, but I don't think it's rubbish either. 

Long live the Metal Gods!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by sue.daglish from Friday, June 27, 2008 6:13:47 AM)
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Friday, June 27, 2008 6:42:42 AM 
Well put Sue!  Mine is on continuous play when I drive.  

The reason there are such threads on the site is because there are NO MODS.  Hence, b.s. threads like this sometimes occur.  Also, it's been pointed out a million times over, there are far too many Nostradamus threads and it's completely unnecessary to have 10 (give or take a couple I didn't count them all) threads regarding the same general topic.  If people want to post an opinion on the CD, due it in the Review of Nostradamus thread for Christ's sake!  I believe someone else here put it best when they said that (I'm paraphrasing here) it's getting out of control.  I agree with that.  It's gotten to the point of being absolutely ridiculous!  

Sorry, I don't mean to yell...I'm just terribly annoyed at all of the negativity.  I think that if people don't have anything nice to say, they ought to not say anything at all.  NO, I fully realize that I am not perfect, nor do I think I'm better than anyone else.  I have simply come to realize that certain people are more correct than I previously thought, and I am voicing my agreement with their sentiments.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by sue.daglish from Friday, June 27, 2008 6:13:47 AM)
[sue.daglish] Friday, June 27, 2008 6:13:47 AM 

i am actually surprised that the web site allowed jp4e to actually post this thread.how can he /she go and say that this album is the downfall of priest.it should not be allowed in the first place.if you dont like it then this is not the place to express about it.so i wish whoever is in charge of this website will hopefully delete this post as it is causing to much bitching.i dont think if rob or the boys came on here and read this,i dont think they would be too impressed with some of the comments.so just leave it be.priest have made an album which might not be to everyones taste.so what.if only 1 person likes that album,then thats the way it is.i for one absolutely love it and i think it is a classic already.now i am going off now to listen to it for the 50th time.

[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:42:52 AM 
I belong to the Iron Maiden Fan Club and there's no such b.s....I think it's because they have mods and the troublemakers and whiners are shutdown.  There are no mods on this site, and the band doesn't visit it either due to nonsense that has gone on here in years past.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Turbo Lover from Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:44:50 PM)
[Turbo Lover] Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:44:50 PM 
This is the only group's website that I read and/or post on the noticeboard. Is it normal for fans to bitch, complain and adress negitively about the music and band they are a fan of or is it just on this site? Of course we are worse than the person/people who start this crap....we spend time replying to them. Maybe if we didn't acknowledge them, they will take thier copy of Nostradus and go home. An opinion is one thing and we are all entitled to them, but to diss the group about growing musical or not playing every city in every country is simply pathetic!!!
Edited at: Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:45:32 PM
[Brent 27744] Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:19:00 PM 
Well, at #11 on the Billboard 200 (as of June 26-2008), I doubt the album will be the downfall of Priest!!

I think it's a very good album. Look folks, they can't ALWAYS make songs like Painkiller and Freewheel Burning. Enjoy some slower tempo stuff. You just have to alter your expectations a little. 

For me...some songs work and some don't...but who cares. Give them credit for trying something new.
[guitardude] Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:08:31 PM 
Oh...Goddamn! JP4E,looks like you`ll be needing a name change. If you don`t like it,tough dude,they didn`t make it especially for you.  Sell your copy,somebody will pick it up.
[SkyRideR] Thursday, June 26, 2008 6:01:49 PM 
golly gee whizz, this thread sucks...
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:04:38 AM 
No one is going to disagree with you that JudasPriest4Ever is entitled to his opinion, but if you're going to blast the band (or anyone else for that matter), you need to have all of your facts straight first.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Redman from Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:49:56 AM)
[Redman] Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:49:56 AM 
Please, people.. its just his opinion.. starting a whole new thread however was not such a good idea though.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JudasPriest4Ever from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:31:49 AM)
[GRINDER *] Thursday, June 26, 2008 7:04:34 AM 

It's the same old story, when an heavy metal gruop, let me tell THE metal gruop, try something different there are lot's of people ready to say that they are"daed", that they have no more balls and things like that.The truth is that this is a Judas Priest album as the other and it's an high quality album,that's all.

[doodah] Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:07:36 AM 

Nostradamus is the fall of the Priest.  Pffffff........yeah right

[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:46:37 AM 
If there "is" a next album???  Who knows....maybe this is the last studio album by the band??? I'd like to think otherwise,but who knows???? That would suck big time.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by soylentgreen4u from Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:09:47 AM)
[.] Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:40:42 AM 
" You should employ methods familiar to your own times, otherwise you will not be understood, nor will you survive. The methods of another age, used to speak to the men of your own day, will always be artificial, and when later generations compare this assumed manner with the works done when it alone was known and understood, and was therefore superlatively well applied, they will condemn you to inferiority, as you yourself have done. "
[Soylentgreen4u] Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:09:47 AM 

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY...I'M SURE THEY'LL HEAD BACK TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF THE STYLE OF MUSIC THAT MADE THEM WHAT MOST OF US KNOW THEM AS....AT LEAST BACK IN THE DIRECTION OF AOR...I REMEMBER THE GRUMBLING BY FANS ABOUT POINT OF ENTRY,
ALTHOUGH I REALLY LIKE THAT RELEASE...THEY CAME ROARING BACK WITH SFV,BINGO!!!...
WHEN TURBO HAPPENED,MORE GRUMBLING...THEN,PAINKILLER (YES,I KNOW THERE WAS THE LIVE IN BETWEEN) BANG ON AGAIN!!!...SO I GUESS WE'LL WAIT AND SEE, BUT IT WILL BE OF NO SURPRISE TO ME IF THE PATTERN STAYS INTACT...PLUS THEY HAD STATED AT THE CONCLUSION OF AOR,THERE WAS ENOUGH MATERIAL FOR TWO ALBUMS. Hmmmmmm. BUT I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH YOU ON THIS,ASSUMING OF COURSE THERE IS ANOTHER CREATION...LET'S HOPE THERE'S MORE TO COME. 


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:37:48 PM)
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:37:48 PM 
.just wait till the next album. TOTAL RUSH OF POWER, FAST HARD CORE IN YOUR FACE SCREAMING HEAVY METAL.
[Scott Gavin] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:11:50 PM 
Odd, odd topic. But I'll throw my 10 cents in if you'll accept New Zealand currency! Just got the album yesterday [ both copies - deluxe and standard] and just listened to it this afternoon. Love it, no cheese so far at all. Delighted that this is 'my ' band, they're back, top of the charts, doing something different, and that its a challenging listen. Its fun, brooding, dark and powerful. Just cos there isn't another ' another thing comin'' doesn't make it suck. It has artistic merit, and in the future may well be regarded as one of their best. I'm still recovering from the fact Rob came back, followed by AOR, followed with this new Album, and now they're playing in New Zealand for the first time ever! Priest feast indeed, ya gotta love these guys. Honestly if it all stopped after this tour, it would have been the best ride ever. Fantastic
[The Metallian] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:08:11 PM 
What a silly thread!
Anyways the downfall of Priest not at all!
This album is awesome and it shows what great musicians Priest are and that they got the balls to do something different!
I remember 1986 when Turbo came out,man talk about a kick in the nuts!We just got Defenders 2 yrs prior to it and then bang!Along came Turbo,it was like a kick in the head with a frozen steel toe boot!
It took a while to get over the shock,i eventually liked it but not like Defenders!I really could not get into the image they had in the Turbo era! At least they are still looking cool on this album!
This album to me is different but they really are showing their talents here and i am glad that they did this instead of another Painkiller or either one of their early releases!
As time goes by people are going to realize what a great piece of work this is.
I remember the bickering when AOR came out cause people complained cause they did another song on a certain topic etc etc etc!
Anyways gotta go and finish listenin to Nostradamus!

Rock Hard Ride Free!

Take Care!

The Metallian 

The Master Of All Kinds Of Music!
[\m/ Metal Maniac \m/] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:46:27 PM 
I personally think there is no space for a thread like this. All this bickering and arguing when we should rejoice in what makes us Judas Priest fans! You don't have to like this album, in fact I can find flaws in their previous efforts but I choose to keep that to myself and don't see a need to write threads about it. But the bottom line is this: Priest gave it their all. Like every album they've written this was an honest attempt at a solid album and even the naysayers can agree to that if they gave this album a chance; whether or not you believe it was solid is up to you but I give the band a lot of credit for taking on this great feat, and rightfully so. Writing concept albums is not an easy feat, and the two years that took them to write it is testament to that fact. They deserve a little more respect than the arguing taking place here. Again, if you don't like Nostradamus then pop in some British Steel or Painkiller, and soak in what makes you the Judas Priest fan that you are! After all, you should appreciate what they put out because this may very well be their last.
[Dead_Reckoning [Banned]] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:48:36 PM 
Wake up and let people have an opinion - just cos i dont like it doesn't mean you can't..but there's no need to diss me for it...and if you can't take it - fuck you and don't speak to me/about me again...thank you very much
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Metal Jesus from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:06:44 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:28:27 PM 
I think that fans should restrain from bashing out at the band with these threads about the new album.For some,including myself...this album is definately a well thought out concept,a well recorded production and a very smart story line but will not settle in and feel at home with the elite JP recordings. I as well think that the band is headed in the wrong direction and is simply to far up in thier career to mold into an album that is more of an opera sprinkled with a touch of heavy metal...instead of a heavy metal album sprinkled with a touch of opera.

Thats just my personal opinion.I as well think the album is far to long and way to slow...and to many ballads....but there is still one thing here....I still love judas Priest and I hail them for putting in such dedication and I am far from dissappointed in the bands effort in Nostradamus,......there is no need to bash the band here....but it is ok to express ones opinion in a respectable manner and have respect for other fans here whos opinion is of that Nostradamus is Priest's best work to date.......we all have something in common here....we all love Judas Priest!!!!!!!
[Bazookajoe_666] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:06:44 PM 
Who cares man? Do you think many people know that? No, they know Nostradamus as the seer of the future.

And why are you believing Wikipedia haha, it's known to be wrong half the time.

Anyway, again as the band stated, the concept is about the events in his life, NOTHING ELSE. Not his jobs, nothing.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Dead_Reckoning from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:20:28 PM)
[Bazookajoe_666] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:52:25 PM 
Let explain your points.

1. They are only playing select dates because of the METAL MASTERS TOUR! It's only 16 dates long (I think, might be 15). Wait for the full blown tour and mulitple legs to kick in. THEN we'll get a full on Priest tour, just be patient.

2. Fine, your opinion.

3. They do plan to, and it's going to be nothing short of amazing live, they said they have a lot of really cool stage ideas to put in. Such as the thrown Rob sits on when they play Death, and comes out dressed in a robe covered with studs on the first song, dressed like Nostradamus. It's cheesy as hell yes but it's fucking awesome too haha.

4. It wasn't forced on them. Just suggested and they took the idea. They've been wanting to do a concept album for decades.

5. I don't really know what to say to this but..... NOOOOOOOOOSSTRADAMMMUSSS!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JudasPriest4Ever from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:31:49 AM)
[Painkiller87] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:52:10 PM 
IMHO, I think Priest needs a new direction in music and this was perfect. It is probably one of the best albums I have ever heard in a long time, and I have listened to so many different styles of metal and all sorts of music. To say this is Priest's downfall is a very ignorant statement. Those points you made, JudasPriest4Ever, are not really valid because they are either opinions or false statements or just plain whining statements. I don't wish to say too much, but I will say that Priest will last for a considerable amount of time longer than anyone can guess. They always think up something really cool for everyone to listen to and will always give out great performances. Now lets just think of all the positive things about this album and these tours and just be ready for when they come to a venue near you. BTW everyone hopefully I will get platinum passes around early July for the Phoenix show in August and be able to bring my two roomates in on the fun. Everyone have a great day and keep on being faithful to the Metal Gods!
[screaming_4_priest] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:26:46 PM 
Thanx friend.

Im from the UK. & yes i was very upset that we only had one date for the year, but i saved up the money & went to Download fest anyway to see well just Judas Priest really & a few others. but it was worth it.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by soylentgreen4u from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:27:40 PM)
[Soylentgreen4u] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:27:40 PM 
I MUST SAY YOU REALLY STUCK YOUR HEAD IN THE FIRE WITH THIS ONE!!!...ESPECIALLY ADDING THE 'DOWNFALL' THING...OH WELL...GOOD LUCK...I'LL JUST ADD,NEVERMIND THE SELECT U.S. DATES,THE COUNTRY GETS IT SHARE...IF THERE'S A COUNTRY THAT SHOULD BE TICKED OFF, AT PRESENT ANYWAY,IT'S THE U.K.,PRIEST IS FROM THERE AND LOOK WHAT THEY'VE RECEIVED SO FAR....PRETTY SAD! ...(IN SUPPORT FOR MY BRITISH FRIENDS AND PRIEST FANS OVER THERE.)
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JudasPriest4Ever from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:31:49 AM)
[DemonCat] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:27:12 PM 
I believe you meant DF. He's made the quite appropriate complaint about too many Nostradamus threads. This one included...which very well may be the downfall of it's creator.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:48:42 PM)
[spapad] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:48:42 PM 
WTF! DC, I now see what your comment about too many Nos. discussions being posted was about. I feel unclean just posting my objection to this page. GET ME OUT OF HERE
[Diamond Jim] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:40:48 PM 
WEBMASTER MURRAY...PLEASE  SHUT THIS THREAD DOWN!!!!!  IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE!!!!! 

[Dead_Reckoning [Banned]] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:20:28 PM 
Priest could.t even get Nostradamus' life story right - try wikipedia for a write up. He was more a healer than a bloody visionary. Gonnae miss ya Necro....
[Eternal Betrayer] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:54:46 AM 
You're already converted - you don't count. 

This is for all the sinners!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by screaming_4_priest from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:42:17 AM)
[screaming_4_priest] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:42:17 AM 
I see what your trying to do, BUt its a concept album & doing that just complety underminds the plot & what the band have worked hard to get across.
[Eternal Betrayer] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:36:38 AM 
THE ANSWER - for all those still scratching their heads over the latest offering from JP is, I think, perhaps one caused by the pacing on the album.

It is, after all, very very long, with some considerable mid-paced / ballad-y numbers. My advice is to edit it down to a slimmer, meaner & faster 80mins (single disc) version.

Select the following running order on to a CDR, or ipod playlist etc, and hear a much more familiar, agressive & traditional metal-esq  sounding release.

1.   Dawn of creation
2.   Prophecy
3.   Awakening
4.   Revelations
5.   Sands of Time
6.   Pestilence & plague
7.   Death
8.   Peace
9.   Conquest
10. Persecution
11. Alone
12. Shadows in the flame
13. Visions
14. Calm before the storm
15. Nostradamus
16. Future of mankind

Now, I know there will be many out there screaming (for vengeance) that this is sacriledge & not how the album is intended to be listened to, but, then they are already the converted, and what we are trying to do here is get as many people on board as possible. I myself, do find the whole double disc a rather flabby affair, I'm sorry to say, and do actually prefer the above edited version which I find is a far pacier & exciting listen - much more what I was hoping for.

I see it as something similar to the cinema release versions of the Lord Of The Rings films, as opposed to their much weightier Director's cut DVDs.

As for the missing tracks, well once you've grown to love the above you can re-incert them later, or visit them individually & see how they shape up having acclimatized yourself to this new world of the metal gods.

Just trying to help.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:37:09 AM
[sue.daglish] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:20:13 AM 
hey necro 
i am beginning to wonder if you actually like priest at all.all i have seen you do is slag off at everything.if you actually read this message then if you do like priest how bout not slagging them off for once.j priest cant please every one all the time every time.but if someone likes the album then you thats up to them.its not your problem.as far as i am concerned priest have not made many rubbish songs if you like to put it that way.i have been a massive fan for nearly 30 years and the only album i am not keen on is turbo.but it still has some great songs on it.now i might not like it a lot but you might think its a great album.so what.so either grow up and start supporting your group or go and moan at some other website,because it seems thats all you are good for,moan moan moan
[\m/ Metal Maniac \m/] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:07:06 AM 
I'm not here to bash anyone, but I believe this album is as far from a downfall as it can get. It's quite an amazing album, and while it doesn't draw upon songs like "Painkiller" or "Sentinel" it certainly displays Priest's talents as songwriters. It's safe to say that while this is a new direction it's more of a mature direction because no longer do we hear Priest re-hashes of tunes about leather and monsters.

And it's about damn time they use synthesizers correctly (unlike another album we all know)!
[screaming_4_priest] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:36:11 AM 

C ya laterz.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out!!


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:11:18 AM)
[Necroticist] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:11:18 AM 
i'm pissed with u lemmings - u dont HAVE to like a CD just cos it's priest - if it was another band u'd fucking hate it - it is shite and this is the last post u'll ever see from me cos i am leaving the site....Friends know where to find me....jeez....
[Brent 27744] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:53:56 AM 
Nostradamus is NOT the downfall of Priest. 

The album is not one of my favorites from them, but a lot of people seem to like it. Also, Priest has had other albums heavily criticized and they end up surviving in the end. Every band has its ups and downs. A band as established as Priest can weather the criticism.
[sue.daglish] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:26:33 AM 
your name is judaspriest4ever,then how the hell can you slag off the best metal band in the world.
1st of all this is one of their best albums by far,and bands who just keep on churning the same old shit out all the time end up on the slag heep.so as far as i am concerned that is why judas priest are not on the slag heep.they have made a truly classic album and you should not ever put them down.i have been a fan ever since british steel and all of there albums are brill.what is wrong with a concept album anyway its fresh and different to a o d.now if you just give it another listen too then you might start to appreciate how good this album is.i will never understand fans who slag off thier bands just because the album is not the way you like it.enjoy it for what it is.
there i have said my piece.i feel better now
[Screamin' Demon] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:18:02 AM 
JP4Eva you make your name so ironic. This album is as 'Priest as it gets. It's heavy, it has fast moments, brutal moments, it's epic, groovy, it's badass and rocks my balls off big time. Judas Priest wanted to move in this direction and Painkiller, Angel Of Retribution, and Nostradamus are what the real 'Priest are about.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:21:03 AM
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