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you do realize that you need to take into consideration the energy that goes into production, right? the Prius uses way more energy to produce than a Suburban (look it up, its as big as most european houses)
to convert euro/l to $/G convert your currency, dunno the exchange. to a US Galon there is 3.88 L
SWR, the reason we dont use metal is it is heavier, and more costly. in a car, you want some parts to break in a colision to absorb energy.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 5:08:35 AM)| |  | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, we are at around 1€/litre (which must be somewhere around 4$/gallon), and Germany is even higher than that, I think. And even tho theres a reccesion, and wages have never been particulary good (they average at around 800€/month).... People still burn fossil fuel. IDK, they would have to really raise the prices of fuel sky-high to stop people from driving... A cent here and there simply wont do, and certainly wont make us all buy electric cars.
I guess that things like that electric car, or even compromises like the Prius are a good step forward, but... With all the millions of cars in the world, and so many millions of people who work in the industry (not only car manufacture, but fuel production too), those steps must be small and gradual, or everything will fall apart.
| | | SadWingsRaging wrote: | | It seems that a lot of the trash produced these days is the absolute JUNK foisted off on us called consumer goods made it China. Do they even have quality controll for most of the crap they make? & WHY THE HELL CAN WE NOT MAKE MORE STUFF OUT OF METAL?!?! It lasts longer, breaks less, & does NOT photodegrade! Given the choice of something that is made of decent steel/aluminum/alloy over plastic I for one would pay a 3 times more for it rather than some piece of crap that breaks & ends up in the garbage after falling apart then being wrapped around a tree in frustration.
Are we warming the earth? I have to believe the glaciers on this one. Do I think it is as big a deal as some have made of it? Probably not but I would prefer to error on the side of caution & reduce it a bit. There is no reason we can not produce & sell electric cars here in the states.
http://teslamotors.com/s
Not bad looking, good performance, WAY fewer moving parts to go wrong. It is a bit pricy but all new technology is. Remember when the VCR/Betamax first came out it was over $1,000 for a few years. Give these guys 5 years of Mfg. & setting up dealers across the nation & the prices will drop a good bit. Let the gas prices jump back up to $4 a gallon or even worse give us european petro prices & people will be fist fighting for these things at the dealers.
If you ask me why we do not have a fully electric car for a daily commute car it is because the big 3/ nipponese/ euro car mfg. executives have not made a bigger push for them is that they have so much personaly invested in oil it is not in their & their buddies interest to produce them.
It is a LONG way off before we can totaly do away with gas/diesel motors for heavy loads or long distance travel but there is NO REASON why there are no safe fully electric 200 mile range cars on the road that plug into your 110/220 home outlet.
I personaly am not sold on the whole hydrogen thing mainly due to the whole hindenburg thing. Highly explosive gas under high pressure with some of the idiots out there on the road equals crispy critters, yeah gas is explosive but it is NOT under high pressure, not to mention you STILL have to go to the pump & pay the same people you pay now for gas. I had just as soon take them out of the loop & our wallet. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:14:01 AM)
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Well, if I can play the devils advocate here...
Most activists come from N. America and Europe, and are pressing their governments to do something about it... Which stands to reason, specialy since we all know that Chinese wont be swayed by anything. They dont listen to protesters, they run them down with tanks, as we have witnessed before.
That, and if we forget about the industry for a while, it also stands to reason that we in Europe and N. America should be more carefull about our trash, since we consume more shit, and produce more trash.
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*SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
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Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
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the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:49:26 PM | |
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where is the world cup next year? wish I could watch a decent game. I think Canada is already out, and nothing international gets televised
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:09:54 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | No, he was supposed to hug a tree and meditate. What were you thinking?
Oh, and I have to admit that I didnt observe the whole thing... But I have a good excuse - World Cup 2010 qualifying match, our boys vs. the Czechs... Earth will have to understand.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | your baby boom coments earlier sugested a similar strategy.
but sleep conserves all kinds of energy
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| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | All very good ideas, my dear. I hold no particular aversion to saving energy. I really do not. As I mentioned, we did our part and it was no big deal. I was asleep anyway!
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I actually thought it was kinda a neat idea.. I mean to see how many cities and how many people would particicpate.
I had every light off, the only thing I had on was the TV, and the computer..
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Well, we are at around 1€/litre (which must be somewhere around 4$/gallon), and Germany is even higher than that, I think. And even tho theres a reccesion, and wages have never been particulary good (they average at around 800€/month).... People still burn fossil fuel. IDK, they would have to really raise the prices of fuel sky-high to stop people from driving... A cent here and there simply wont do, and certainly wont make us all buy electric cars.
I guess that things like that electric car, or even compromises like the Prius are a good step forward, but... With all the millions of cars in the world, and so many millions of people who work in the industry (not only car manufacture, but fuel production too), those steps must be small and gradual, or everything will fall apart.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by SadWingsRaging from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:56:42 AM)| | | SadWingsRaging wrote: | | It seems that a lot of the trash produced these days is the absolute JUNK foisted off on us called consumer goods made it China. Do they even have quality controll for most of the crap they make? & WHY THE HELL CAN WE NOT MAKE MORE STUFF OUT OF METAL?!?! It lasts longer, breaks less, & does NOT photodegrade! Given the choice of something that is made of decent steel/aluminum/alloy over plastic I for one would pay a 3 times more for it rather than some piece of crap that breaks & ends up in the garbage after falling apart then being wrapped around a tree in frustration.
Are we warming the earth? I have to believe the glaciers on this one. Do I think it is as big a deal as some have made of it? Probably not but I would prefer to error on the side of caution & reduce it a bit. There is no reason we can not produce & sell electric cars here in the states.
http://teslamotors.com/s
Not bad looking, good performance, WAY fewer moving parts to go wrong. It is a bit pricy but all new technology is. Remember when the VCR/Betamax first came out it was over $1,000 for a few years. Give these guys 5 years of Mfg. & setting up dealers across the nation & the prices will drop a good bit. Let the gas prices jump back up to $4 a gallon or even worse give us european petro prices & people will be fist fighting for these things at the dealers.
If you ask me why we do not have a fully electric car for a daily commute car it is because the big 3/ nipponese/ euro car mfg. executives have not made a bigger push for them is that they have so much personaly invested in oil it is not in their & their buddies interest to produce them.
It is a LONG way off before we can totaly do away with gas/diesel motors for heavy loads or long distance travel but there is NO REASON why there are no safe fully electric 200 mile range cars on the road that plug into your 110/220 home outlet.
I personaly am not sold on the whole hydrogen thing mainly due to the whole hindenburg thing. Highly explosive gas under high pressure with some of the idiots out there on the road equals crispy critters, yeah gas is explosive but it is NOT under high pressure, not to mention you STILL have to go to the pump & pay the same people you pay now for gas. I had just as soon take them out of the loop & our wallet. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:14:01 AM)
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Well, if I can play the devils advocate here...
Most activists come from N. America and Europe, and are pressing their governments to do something about it... Which stands to reason, specialy since we all know that Chinese wont be swayed by anything. They dont listen to protesters, they run them down with tanks, as we have witnessed before.
That, and if we forget about the industry for a while, it also stands to reason that we in Europe and N. America should be more carefull about our trash, since we consume more shit, and produce more trash.
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*SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
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Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
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the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
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It seems that a lot of the trash produced these days is the absolute JUNK foisted off on us called consumer goods made it China. Do they even have quality controll for most of the crap they make? & WHY THE HELL CAN WE NOT MAKE MORE STUFF OUT OF METAL?!?! It lasts longer, breaks less, & does NOT photodegrade! Given the choice of something that is made of decent steel/aluminum/alloy over plastic I for one would pay a 3 times more for it rather than some piece of crap that breaks & ends up in the garbage after falling apart then being wrapped around a tree in frustration.
Are we warming the earth? I have to believe the glaciers on this one. Do I think it is as big a deal as some have made of it? Probably not but I would prefer to error on the side of caution & reduce it a bit. There is no reason we can not produce & sell electric cars here in the states.
http://teslamotors.com/s
Not bad looking, good performance, WAY fewer moving parts to go wrong. It is a bit pricy but all new technology is. Remember when the VCR/Betamax first came out it was over $1,000 for a few years. Give these guys 5 years of Mfg. & setting up dealers across the nation & the prices will drop a good bit. Let the gas prices jump back up to $4 a gallon or even worse give us european petro prices & people will be fist fighting for these things at the dealers.
If you ask me why we do not have a fully electric car for a daily commute car it is because the big 3/ nipponese/ euro car mfg. executives have not made a bigger push for them is that they have so much personaly invested in oil it is not in their & their buddies interest to produce them.
It is a LONG way off before we can totaly do away with gas/diesel motors for heavy loads or long distance travel but there is NO REASON why there are no safe fully electric 200 mile range cars on the road that plug into your 110/220 home outlet.
I personaly am not sold on the whole hydrogen thing mainly due to the whole hindenburg thing. Highly explosive gas under high pressure with some of the idiots out there on the road equals crispy critters, yeah gas is explosive but it is NOT under high pressure, not to mention you STILL have to go to the pump & pay the same people you pay now for gas. I had just as soon take them out of the loop & our wallet. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:14:01 AM)
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Well, if I can play the devils advocate here...
Most activists come from N. America and Europe, and are pressing their governments to do something about it... Which stands to reason, specialy since we all know that Chinese wont be swayed by anything. They dont listen to protesters, they run them down with tanks, as we have witnessed before.
That, and if we forget about the industry for a while, it also stands to reason that we in Europe and N. America should be more carefull about our trash, since we consume more shit, and produce more trash.
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*SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
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Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
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the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
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Well, if I can play the devils advocate here...
Most activists come from N. America and Europe, and are pressing their governments to do something about it... Which stands to reason, specialy since we all know that Chinese wont be swayed by anything. They dont listen to protesters, they run them down with tanks, as we have witnessed before.
That, and if we forget about the industry for a while, it also stands to reason that we in Europe and N. America should be more carefull about our trash, since we consume more shit, and produce more trash.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 30, 2009 9:06:54 AM)| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | *SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
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| [_strat_] Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:09:54 AM | |
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No, he was supposed to hug a tree and meditate. What were you thinking?
Oh, and I have to admit that I didnt observe the whole thing... But I have a good excuse - World Cup 2010 qualifying match, our boys vs. the Czechs... Earth will have to understand.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:57:06 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | your baby boom coments earlier sugested a similar strategy.
but sleep conserves all kinds of energy
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Thats cheating!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | All very good ideas, my dear. I hold no particular aversion to saving energy. I really do not. As I mentioned, we did our part and it was no big deal. I was asleep anyway!
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I actually thought it was kinda a neat idea.. I mean to see how many cities and how many people would particicpate.
I had every light off, the only thing I had on was the TV, and the computer..
We use energy eff lightbulbs here in the house and I recycle as much as I can. I have the recycle grocrey bags even.
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, March 30, 2009 10:15:43 AM | |
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Well, according to the global warming conspiracy theorists...the hole in the ozone layer is one major reason, as well as the melting polar ice caps at both poles. Here's article on it from National Geographic that I just found: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, March 30, 2009 9:57:04 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | tell me, not to be argumentative, but where is the evidence to support the theory that the earth is warming? we only have reliable temp data for a few locations for 100 years, beyond that, squat that can be relied on. those locations cant be counted either, because for the most part they are radicaly changed. we measure temp in a city, then fail to acount for the fact that cities produce heat.
| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | *SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
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| [Head banger] Monday, March 30, 2009 9:57:04 AM | |
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tell me, not to be argumentative, but where is the evidence to support the theory that the earth is warming? we only have reliable temp data for a few locations for 100 years, beyond that, squat that can be relied on. those locations cant be counted either, because for the most part they are radicaly changed. we measure temp in a city, then fail to acount for the fact that cities produce heat.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 30, 2009 9:06:54 AM)| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | *SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, March 30, 2009 9:06:54 AM | |
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*SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, March 30, 2009 8:17:47 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
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Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, March 30, 2009 8:01:32 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
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the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:11:35 AM)| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | | I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either. |
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| [Head banger] Monday, March 30, 2009 7:57:06 AM | |
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your baby boom coments earlier sugested a similar strategy.
but sleep conserves all kinds of energy
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, March 30, 2009 1:45:28 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Thats cheating!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | All very good ideas, my dear. I hold no particular aversion to saving energy. I really do not. As I mentioned, we did our part and it was no big deal. I was asleep anyway!
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I actually thought it was kinda a neat idea.. I mean to see how many cities and how many people would particicpate.
I had every light off, the only thing I had on was the TV, and the computer..
We use energy eff lightbulbs here in the house and I recycle as much as I can. I have the recycle grocrey bags even.
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, March 30, 2009 7:31:46 AM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:30:09 AM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Experiment over, I proved my theroy on this case,...........as I reach over to turn on my desk lamp. LOL
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Experiment over, I proved my theroy on this case,...........as I reach over to turn on my desk lamp. LOL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:20:02 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Careful Darth! You are risking being ridiculed and called names!!!
(Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:11:35 AM)
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Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: |
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| I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, March 30, 2009 7:25:32 AM | |
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Well good for you, my friend! Believe me, I know that type! Disgusting.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:23:27 AM) |
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, March 30, 2009 7:23:27 AM | |
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It's okay Freeze...I already stood up to my g/f's psycho ex-hub over the weekend and put him in his place (he tries to bully and manipulate my g/f).
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:20:02 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Careful Darth! You are risking being insulted and being called names!!!
| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | | I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, March 30, 2009 7:20:02 AM | |
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Careful Darth! You are risking being ridiculed and called names!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:11:35 AM)
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| I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either. |
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, March 30, 2009 7:11:35 AM | |
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| I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either. |
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| [_strat_] Monday, March 30, 2009 1:45:28 AM | |
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Thats cheating!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:09:01 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | All very good ideas, my dear. I hold no particular aversion to saving energy. I really do not. As I mentioned, we did our part and it was no big deal. I was asleep anyway!
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I actually thought it was kinda a neat idea.. I mean to see how many cities and how many people would particicpate.
I had every light off, the only thing I had on was the TV, and the computer..
We use energy eff lightbulbs here in the house and I recycle as much as I can. I have the recycle grocrey bags even.
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| [SadWingsRaging] Monday, March 30, 2009 12:07:57 AM | |
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Gore had every light in the house on including floodlights pointed at the trees along his driveway. Go figure,,,
What did I do? I refused to buy rap CD's that would end up in the garbage where they belong. Oh yeah, planted 2 lilac bushes, a butterfly bush, & ate a piece of rare cow thereby reducing methane emmissions.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 29, 2009 8:08:37 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well now, as much as I despise the remarkably self-righteous attitudes of some regarding all this green nonsense, I do want to publicly admit that the Princess and I did participate last night. As a matter of fact, we went a step above and disconnected everything but the 'fridge! Even the clock radio was off for the night. We lit a candle for a while and then she took out her little reading lamp and read a book while I went to sleep.
I have no problem doing some things to help out but it can be rather sickening to read some of the garbage people write about others simply because they have a different opinion.
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