| [guidogodoy] Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:43:07 PM | |
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Interesting read on #1 there, Tasnam. Thanks for posting it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:13:12 AM)| |  | tasnam1 wrote: | |
The story IS:
#1 Support DRUMMER (not guitarist) on Turbo - you can check out the drummers website and letter http://www.jonathanvalen.com/judas.html
(Could this ALL be a lie? Sure, but why go to this extent and open yourself up to a lawsuit?)
#2 KK (Not Dave) said regarding drums on RID:
Question: "How much drumming did Dave do on RID?"
Answer: "Not a Lot; and let's just leave it at that."
#3 Memphis is Live. Period.
Did they touch it up? Sure. Like most live concerts
Halford has been transparent on his solo stuff - "studio magic" to spice up the show.
#4 YES on RITE you can see ROb using the teley often.
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Hmmmm, I'm not buying any of those rumors. BUT, the rumors about Ram It Down on the other hand, I do believe. There is NO WAY Dave did the drumming on some of those tracks. And performing some of those songs live? Yeah, I think he had a little "help" with that too. When asked how much of the drumming he did on RID, Dave responded "Not a lot". At least he was honest about it. What's your take on all this? Why would they need a secret guitar player on the Turbo tour? I didn't notice anything at the show.
| | | acolyte55 wrote: | | | @pepe2- watch the dvd again and maybe you can see why some people thought that, not a lot of crowd shots , and when there was it was pretty thin , again thats why they are called rumours, no drummer on unleashed in the east, the secret guitar player under the stage for the turbo tour etc. |
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| [Pepe2] Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:30:28 PM | |
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| And Dave is still in jail? I remember reading somewhere that he's going to write a book about it - he swears he's innocent and, well, I have a feeling he IS. That story about him doing whatever it was, I just thought, this is too strange, probably, like Dave says, a "witch hunt". I don't think Dave is a saint, far from it, but hey, I just don't believe he's guilty of what he's accused for. |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, October 06, 2012 11:15:21 AM | |
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THANKS Tasnam!! I knew about the support drumming on Turbo but had never heard anything about a support guitarist. I thought a saw an interview with Dave at one point too, but it was so long ago. I love KK's answer though, let's just leave it at that!
As for the teleprompter, that doesn't bother me at all. And if you are up in front, you can tell Rob isn't using it as much as everyone else thinks he is because his eyes are CLOSED when he sings a lot of the time, but he definitely uses it.
Did they use drum tracks or something else for the RID tour??? If Dave needed help on the Turbo tour, he REALLY needed help during RID! I was too far back at that show to be able to tell if anything was off.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:13:12 AM)| | | tasnam1 wrote: | |
The story IS:
#1 Support DRUMMER (not guitarist) on Turbo - you can check out the drummers website and letter http://www.jonathanvalen.com/judas.html
(Could this ALL be a lie? Sure, but why go to this extent and open yourself up to a lawsuit?)
#2 KK (Not Dave) said regarding drums on RID:
Question: "How much drumming did Dave do on RID?"
Answer: "Not a Lot; and let's just leave it at that."
#3 Memphis is Live. Period.
Did they touch it up? Sure. Like most live concerts
Halford has been transparent on his solo stuff - "studio magic" to spice up the show.
#4 YES on RITE you can see ROb using the teley often.
| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Hmmmm, I'm not buying any of those rumors. BUT, the rumors about Ram It Down on the other hand, I do believe. There is NO WAY Dave did the drumming on some of those tracks. And performing some of those songs live? Yeah, I think he had a little "help" with that too. When asked how much of the drumming he did on RID, Dave responded "Not a lot". At least he was honest about it. What's your take on all this? Why would they need a secret guitar player on the Turbo tour? I didn't notice anything at the show.
| | | acolyte55 wrote: | | | @pepe2- watch the dvd again and maybe you can see why some people thought that, not a lot of crowd shots , and when there was it was pretty thin , again thats why they are called rumours, no drummer on unleashed in the east, the secret guitar player under the stage for the turbo tour etc. |
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| [tasnam1] Saturday, October 06, 2012 1:13:12 AM | |
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The story IS:
#1 Support DRUMMER (not guitarist) on Turbo - you can check out the drummers website and letter http://www.jonathanvalen.com/judas.html
(Could this ALL be a lie? Sure, but why go to this extent and open yourself up to a lawsuit?)
#2 KK (Not Dave) said regarding drums on RID:
Question: "How much drumming did Dave do on RID?"
Answer: "Not a Lot; and let's just leave it at that."
#3 Memphis is Live. Period.
Did they touch it up? Sure. Like most live concerts
Halford has been transparent on his solo stuff - "studio magic" to spice up the show.
#4 YES on RITE you can see ROb using the teley often.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23:04 PM)| | | HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: | | Hmmmm, I'm not buying any of those rumors. BUT, the rumors about Ram It Down on the other hand, I do believe. There is NO WAY Dave did the drumming on some of those tracks. And performing some of those songs live? Yeah, I think he had a little "help" with that too. When asked how much of the drumming he did on RID, Dave responded "Not a lot". At least he was honest about it. What's your take on all this? Why would they need a secret guitar player on the Turbo tour? I didn't notice anything at the show.
| | | acolyte55 wrote: | | | @pepe2- watch the dvd again and maybe you can see why some people thought that, not a lot of crowd shots , and when there was it was pretty thin , again thats why they are called rumours, no drummer on unleashed in the east, the secret guitar player under the stage for the turbo tour etc. |
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| [hellrider 31038] Friday, October 05, 2012 7:26:17 PM | |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, October 05, 2012 7:23:04 PM | |
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Hmmmm, I'm not buying any of those rumors. BUT, the rumors about Ram It Down on the other hand, I do believe. There is NO WAY Dave did the drumming on some of those tracks. And performing some of those songs live? Yeah, I think he had a little "help" with that too. When asked how much of the drumming he did on RID, Dave responded "Not a lot". At least he was honest about it. What's your take on all this? Why would they need a secret guitar player on the Turbo tour? I didn't notice anything at the show.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by acolyte55 from Friday, October 05, 2012 12:29:19 PM)| | | acolyte55 wrote: | | | @pepe2- watch the dvd again and maybe you can see why some people thought that, not a lot of crowd shots , and when there was it was pretty thin , again thats why they are called rumours, no drummer on unleashed in the east, the secret guitar player under the stage for the turbo tour etc. |
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| [Pepe2] Friday, October 05, 2012 1:09:57 PM | |
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| Hmmm... that's a strange rumour, really. I know that Unleashed in the east thing, partly live, partly studio work, I don't know what's what on that record, I think Rob has said he did all his vocals in studio. But, a concert published as VHS/DVD being a fake... why would they had done something like that, certainly they were good enough live band... sure, things were different back then, things were done in a different way, but... well, some interviewer should ask them about it, that's all I can say... |
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| [acolyte55] Friday, October 05, 2012 12:29:19 PM | |
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| @pepe2- watch the dvd again and maybe you can see why some people thought that, not a lot of crowd shots , and when there was it was pretty thin , again thats why they are called rumours, no drummer on unleashed in the east, the secret guitar player under the stage for the turbo tour etc. |
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| [Pepe2] Friday, October 05, 2012 9:37:51 AM | |
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| Hmm? Live vengeance 82. Wikipedia says: Recorded december 12 1982, Mid-South Coliseum, Memphis, Tennessee. |
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| [acolyte55] Thursday, October 04, 2012 4:00:11 PM | |
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| live vengance was rumoured to have been filmed at the bands rehersals for going out on the tour , thats why it is so bang on ?? |
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| [Pepe2] Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:43:23 PM | |
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| Rising in the east is good but there's some special magic in Live vengeance 82, raw energy, the guys, well at least Tipton, Downing & Halford, look like they're in heavy metal heaven and really, really, REALLY enjoy the music. Glenn looks like he's in love with his guitar. And he probably was. |
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| [acolyte55] Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:07:37 PM | |
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| @pepe2 iseem to remember being able to see the prompter on the centre monitor on the dvd , rising in the east |
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| [Pepe2] Thursday, October 04, 2012 4:25:40 AM | |
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| Alright then and thanks for the answers. So, Rob is a "physical" singer, uses his whole body to sing, plus he may need to see the lyrics sometimes when singing, I suppose these two things together answer my question. I just remember when I saw him in concert and during the first song I actually thought that something must be wrong, why is he looking down, did he drop his contact lenses or something, hehe... but sure, his voice was just fine and I really liked the whole concert, they played about 90 minutes but I felt it was over too soon, I would have wanted more. And that's good. If a concert isn't really good, 90 minutes is MORE than enough. |
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| [guidogodoy] Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:20:43 AM | |
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Yes. He does use prompters. Like many artists with massive catalogs of music, it is public knowledge. Even the other day on Eddie Trunk, he menioned that two people should have free passes to use teleprompters: Sammy Hagar was one and I forget the second he named. I think it might have been Geddy Lee.
While not a singer, only comment I'll add is that Rob is clearly not reading off of teleprompters EVERY time when he is hunched over. I am positive it has to do with forcing air from the diaphragm to be able to still hit those powerful notes without tearing up his vocal cords. "Chest singing" vs. falsetto vs. "head singing." Any singer can tell you that singing falsetto is hard on the vocal cords and leads to early singer burn-out. While an interesting effect, Rob rarely uses it. IMO, he gets his power from the diaphragm (aka. "chest singing") and, IMO, draws more power from his stomach, back and side muscles from that position. Look at when he now hits extreme highs or lows and he accentuates that posture. Especially for longer notes.
Like I said, I am no singer. Just my thoughts on the subject from what little I know.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Pepe2 from Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:08:27 AM)
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Rob needs to see the lyrics when he sings? Really?
WELL. That could explain a lot. Actually, I have sometimes wondered how singers can remember all the songs they have to remember, but if they see the lyrics when they sing, then of course...
But I'm still sure Rob doesn't need to see the lyrics to sing Hell bent for leather. He needs a Harley-Davidson to sing that song of course, but not the lyrics, hehe...
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| [Pepe2] Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:08:27 AM | |
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Rob needs to see the lyrics when he sings? Really?
WELL. That could explain a lot. Actually, I have sometimes wondered how singers can remember all the songs they have to remember, but if they see the lyrics when they sing, then of course...
But I'm still sure Rob doesn't need to see the lyrics to sing Hell bent for leather. He needs a Harley-Davidson to sing that song of course, but not the lyrics, hehe...
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| [guitardude] Wednesday, October 03, 2012 5:29:37 PM | |
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| Center floor monitor is a teleprompter, but with as many songs as he must sing, nothing wrong with a little reminder. Would we rather him sing the wrong lines, I think not! |
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| [tasnam1] Wednesday, October 03, 2012 4:58:23 PM | |
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Pepe2,
Sorry but Rob now-a-days reads most of his lyrics and remembers only a few songs.....and of course NOS would have to read 85-90%(guess) of them.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Pepe2 from Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:21:41 PM)| | | Pepe2 wrote: | | That's a good point because some singers actually do that, read the lyrics while singing, or at least keep an eye on the lyrics in case they forget something. But Rob? No I don't think so, he writes his own lyrics and somehow I just think he remembers every word in both old & new songs.
But If they would ever perform the whole Nostradamus in concert, then maybe Rob would need some help with the lyrics. And I would like to see that by the way, Nostradamus is a heavy metal opera and it should be performed live at least once. Like most fans I like British steel more than Nostradamus, but I still think that hearing the whole thing live would be awesome.
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| [Pepe2] Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:21:41 PM | |
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That's a good point because some singers actually do that, read the lyrics while singing, or at least keep an eye on the lyrics in case they forget something. But Rob? No I don't think so, he writes his own lyrics and somehow I just think he remembers every word in both old & new songs.
But If they would ever perform the whole Nostradamus in concert, then maybe Rob would need some help with the lyrics. And I would like to see that by the way, Nostradamus is a heavy metal opera and it should be performed live at least once. Like most fans I like British steel more than Nostradamus, but I still think that hearing the whole thing live would be awesome.
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| [acolyte55] Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:23:12 AM | |
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| reading the teleprompter for the lyrics..............? |
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| [Pepe2] Wednesday, October 03, 2012 2:53:05 AM | |
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| Hmm yes I'm sure there's a good reason for Rob's singing posture, it's probably like you said, easier to reach high notes that way. Then again, there's some other singers with unusual singing postures too. Motörhead's Lemmy. The way he sings, looking at the ceiling, is very... well, let's say, very unique. I saw Judas Priest live in 2008 and Rob sounded good, on Nostradamus he sounds good too, in my opinion, but his performing style has certainly changed over the years. |
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