My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.

And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.

I am against "experimentation".  I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....

I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!

When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.

Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.  

		icecreamman wrote:
		Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator. By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.  But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny,  Sin After Sin,  Stained Class,  Hell Bent For Leather   "British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance,  Defenders Of The Faith,  Painkiller,  Jugulator  and   Angel Of Retribution.....     these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal... The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes-  Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run.... Then the horrible album "Turbo,   Ram It Down,  Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album. After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance. After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller". After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution". So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned. I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus. I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude. I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting. Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space. Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.    (Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)   chileansteel wrote:   It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla. It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard. We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more. Edited at: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:05:43 PM

I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright. 

But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny,  Sin After Sin,  Stained Class,  Hell Bent For Leather  

"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance,  Defenders Of The Faith,  Painkiller,  Jugulator  and   Angel Of Retribution.....     these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...

The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes-  Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....

Then the horrible album "Turbo,   Ram It Down,  Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.

After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.

After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".

After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".

So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.

I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.

I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.

I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.

Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.

Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.

		chileansteel wrote:
		It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla. It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard. We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright. 

But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny,  Sin After Sin,  Stained Class,  Hell Bent For Leather  

"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance,  Defenders Of The Faith,  Painkiller,  Jugulator  and   Angel Of Retribution.....     these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...

The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes-  Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....

Then the horrible album "Turbo,   Ram It Down,  Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.

After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.

After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".

After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".

So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.

I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.

I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.

I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.

Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.

Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.

		chileansteel wrote:
		It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla. It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard. We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.

It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.

We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.

It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.

We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.

It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.

We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.

It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.

We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright. 

But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny,  Sin After Sin,  Stained Class,  Hell Bent For Leather  

"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance,  Defenders Of The Faith,  Painkiller,  Jugulator  and   Angel Of Retribution.....     these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...

The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes-  Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....

Then the horrible album "Turbo,   Ram It Down,  Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.

After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.

After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".

After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".

So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.

I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.

I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.

I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.

Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.

Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.

		chileansteel wrote:
		It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla. It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard. We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.

It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.

We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.

I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.

Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!

I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.

It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.

We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.

I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.

Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!

I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright. 

But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny,  Sin After Sin,  Stained Class,  Hell Bent For Leather  

"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance,  Defenders Of The Faith,  Painkiller,  Jugulator  and   Angel Of Retribution.....     these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...

The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes-  Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....

Then the horrible album "Turbo,   Ram It Down,  Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.

After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.

After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".

After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".

So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.

I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.

I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.

I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.

Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.

Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.

		chileansteel wrote:
		It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla. It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard. We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.

It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.

We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I could'nt  disagree  with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment". Thats just my personal opinion I realise.  Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost  ALL  of them do not like Nostradamus. I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!! But since its JP.......... I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget. Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another. Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting". I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time. I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album. This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks. Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.      chileansteel wrote:   I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style. I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians. Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it! I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.

I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.

Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!

I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.

I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.

Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!

I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote:   I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.

I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.

I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".

		Cobras-Aura wrote:
		I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.

I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.

Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!

I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation. I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album. I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".      Cobras-Aura wrote: I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I agree.  I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.

I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.

I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".

		Cobras-Aura wrote:
		I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.

I seriously hope that Judas Priest return to thier heavy metal "roots" on the next album.....if there is going to be a "next album"? If they do decide to record again,I hope it is in the vien of Angel Of Retribution.Nostradamus was to experimental,and way to long,very un-Priest-like.Say what you will,say you like the Nostradamus album,say that its the best...blah blah blah blah....it is not Judas Priest,and its not Judas Priest at thier best.
Over an hour and a half of soft,ballad-like tracks was not my idea of fun when I listened to this LP. 

Sad,bummed out and confused is more what I felt. Everybody has an opinion and mine is not "valid" to say that mine is right,but what I can say is that the Nostradamus album was not "Judas Priest's style". For the life of me I can't understand why this band feels the need to "do something different"?  If they do not like thier original style/sound anymore,than maybe the band should think about hanging up the leathers and playing golf from here on out,that would be fine by me.I would rather see them retire than keep putting out albums like the experimental Demolition and Nostradamus.

I seriously hope that Judas Priest return to thier heavy metal "roots" on the next album.....if there is going to be a "next album"? If they do decide to record again,I hope it is in the vien of Angel Of Retribution.Nostradamus was to experimental,and way to long,very un-Priest-like.Say what you will,say you like the Nostradamus album,say that its the best...blah blah blah blah....it is not Judas Priest,and its not Judas Priest at thier best.
Over an hour and a half of soft,ballad-like tracks was not my idea of fun when I listened to this LP. 

Sad,bummed out and confused is more what I felt. Everybody has an opinion and mine is not "valid" to say that mine is right,but what I can say is that the Nostradamus album was not "Judas Priest's style". For the life of me I can't understand why this band feels the need to "do something different"?  If they do not like thier original style/sound anymore,than maybe the band should think about hanging up the leathers and playing golf from here on out,that would be fine by me.I would rather see them retire than keep putting out albums like the experimental Demolition and Nostradamus.