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Ah, thats something else, then. Now, I dont know how much would be enough for an American citizen (costs of food, housing, ect... Tend to be higher there than here, I think), but if I compare it to my 4,5€ per hour (which is a good wage for someone my age), I guess that they have a lot of room for cut backs there.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 17, 2009 1:08:12 PM)| |  | Head banger wrote: | | straight wage of about $25 an hour (after the cuts) plus benefits, vacation....
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here?
| | | Head banger wrote: | | 90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
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| [Head banger] Friday, April 17, 2009 1:08:12 PM | |
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straight wage of about $25 an hour (after the cuts) plus benefits, vacation....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 17, 2009 12:53:01 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here?
| | | Head banger wrote: | | 90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
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| [_strat_] Friday, April 17, 2009 12:53:01 PM | |
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I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 17, 2009 10:05:31 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | 90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
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| [Head banger] Friday, April 17, 2009 10:05:31 AM | |
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90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 17, 2009 9:48:28 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
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| [_strat_] Friday, April 17, 2009 9:48:28 AM | |
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Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 17, 2009 7:45:50 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
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| [Head banger] Friday, April 17, 2009 7:45:50 AM | |
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Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 17, 2009 3:04:40 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
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| [_strat_] Friday, April 17, 2009 3:04:40 AM | |
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Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34:24 PM) |
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| [Head banger] Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:09:02 PM | |
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unions need to go away
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:43:57 PM)| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | And I thought the jerks running baseball's and hockey's unions were self-centered, uncaring, stupid and extremely short-sighted. Oh wait...they are, just not as badly as the UAW. Fucking morons.
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:43:57 PM | |
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And I thought the jerks running baseball's and hockey's unions were self-centered, uncaring, stupid and extremely short-sighted. Oh wait...they are, just not as badly as the UAW. Fucking morons.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34:24 PM) |
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Saturday, March 28, 2009 1:13:06 AM | |
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Thursday, March 26, 2009 5:03:55 AM | |
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Silly rabbit! Bailout only goes to giant financial institutions that operate recklessly like Citibank and AIG. Middle Class America ain't getting shit. Smooth move not keeping the Middle Class tax cuts that Bush had in place. O-boobie strikes again!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by shotz from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:03:44 PM)| | | shotz wrote: | | | i'm still waiting for MY BAILOUT!!!!!! |
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| [buck foston] Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:03:44 PM | |
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| i'm still waiting for MY BAILOUT!!!!!! |
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| [buck foston] Wednesday, March 25, 2009 12:02:49 PM | |
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:55:41 AM | |
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| [_strat_] Friday, March 20, 2009 3:01:55 AM | |
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Poor Chrysler, then. I hope they will forgive me for not crying myself to sleep over this. The separate firm, Chrysler, or whoever owes the workers that money, should pay up. Until then, it seems that what theyre doing now is the only thing that will get them anywhere.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:48:15 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, they claim they are owed that. but they are not owed that by chrysler, they work for a separate firm. chrysler contracts who they chose.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... They are on Chrysler property, they have Chryslers tools, and they are being owed a total of 1,7 million dollars. Trade off. I hope they get whats theirs. Violence seems to be the only thing that separates the greedy from their money - even if that money isnt really theirs to begin with.
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:48:15 PM | |
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well, they claim they are owed that. but they are not owed that by chrysler, they work for a separate firm. chrysler contracts who they chose.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:27:02 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... They are on Chrysler property, they have Chryslers tools, and they are being owed a total of 1,7 million dollars. Trade off. I hope they get whats theirs. Violence seems to be the only thing that separates the greedy from their money - even if that money isnt really theirs to begin with.
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, March 18, 2009 1:27:02 PM | |
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Well... They are on Chrysler property, they have Chryslers tools, and they are being owed a total of 1,7 million dollars. Trade off. I hope they get whats theirs. Violence seems to be the only thing that separates the greedy from their money - even if that money isnt really theirs to begin with.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:54:29 PM) |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:28:48 AM | |
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The pope dreams about his altar boys. He read it in a book.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:35:45 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | right. I meant to say we dont disagree.
the pope didnt write it, he was told it in a dream. HA!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | You mean we do agree on something?
In any case, this one is so fucking obvious, that Im surprised even Oprah fell for it (since she seems to fall for any dumb new age shit out there - then again she could have gotten a "compensation" for wawing that shit on her show). That "suppressed knowledge" reminds me of the Da Vinci code, and the "Ancient secret" I wont even comment. Its marketing, nothing else.
"You can get everything you want, if you only believe"... Did the pope write this shit?!?!
| | | Head banger wrote: | | see strat, we dont agree with everything in this thread!!! well said
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Bullshit. "The secret will give you everything you want"?!?!?! DVDs, books, films? Spirituality? "Believe, and things will just happen"?!?!?! Seriously, what kind of a bullshit is that? "The secret made me realise I want a new house in 6 months!" Well, whoopdee-fucking-doo. I want a house of my own too, but I didnt need no bullshit DVD to figure that out!
And all packed in that "ancient secret" package, and "suppressed knowledge"... Someone is going to make a pile of cash, and a whole lot of people will be disapointed.
(Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, March 16, 2009 11:20:39 PM)
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| THE SECRETOur company is introducing this program into our daily routine. It's optional training, but it is encouraged and advised. Especially amongst the older employers and managers (myself being both.) I've always been leery of 'snake-oil salesmen' and 'positive thinking gurus.' And I'm very wary of 'New Age' preachers and speakers that speak of goals and success without including GOD into the equation. So when I see something like this, part of me wants to run. While the other part is seduced by the attraction. Either way, it cannot hurt to try. But can it? Is the spiritual trade-off worth the price and result? a. Hammerstein |
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