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[_strat_] Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:27:58 AM

I completly agree. But, I dont see where the cosmos (whatever the fuck that means) or spirituality come into this. If you want to do something, achieve somthing, get something, you kinda have to think that its possible before you try it, or else whats the point?

Now, I havent read the book or seen the DVD - and I dont mean to, either - but from what I saw, I dont think ill be missing much. Certainly not any bullshit that I havent heard before.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:47:01 AM)

Deep Freeze wrote:

HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh MAN! Brutal, strat! You know, I have discussed some of that before. The Law of Attraction is very real as far as I am concerned. When Oprah or these other "New Age Thinkers" you describe talk about "getting what you want by believing", they are really referring to Attraction. Now, that whole thing has been twisted by certain people. You see, I do believe you can influence your life through believing you can. The Law of Attraction states that all things of common bond attract one another. Positive thought attracts the same. BUT, it is like any other physical law, it has a true foundation. You cannot THINK yourself into making your face become Brad Pitt's. Doesn't work like that. Just as you cannot use the Law or Gravity and say that you can believe you will increase it to pull yourself through the earth's crust! Doesn't work like that.

You can attract certain things into your life through the Law of Attraction. "As a man thinketh, so he is."

_strat_ wrote:

You mean we do agree on something?

In any case, this one is so fucking obvious, that Im surprised even Oprah fell for it (since she seems to fall for any dumb new age shit out there - then again she could have gotten a "compensation" for wawing that shit on her show). That "suppressed knowledge" reminds me of the Da Vinci code, and the "Ancient secret" I wont even comment. Its marketing, nothing else.

"You can get everything you want, if you only believe"... Did the pope write this shit?!?!

Head banger wrote:

see strat, we dont agree with everything in this thread!!! well said

_strat_ wrote:

Bullshit. "The secret will give you everything you want"?!?!?! DVDs, books, films? Spirituality? "Believe, and things will just happen"?!?!?! Seriously, what kind of a bullshit is that? "The secret made me realise I want a new house in 6 months!" Well, whoopdee-fucking-doo. I want a house of my own too, but I didnt need no bullshit DVD to figure that out!

And all packed in that "ancient secret" package, and "suppressed knowledge"... Someone is going to make a pile of cash, and a whole lot of people will be disapointed.
(Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, March 16, 2009 11:20:39 PM)

Edited at: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:40:57 AM

[Head banger] Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:35:45 AM

right. I meant to say we dont disagree.

the pope didnt write it, he was told it in a dream. HA!
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_strat_ wrote:

Head banger wrote:

see strat, we dont agree with everything in this thread!!! well said

_strat_ wrote:

Edited at: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:40:57 AM

[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:47:01 AM

_strat_ wrote:

Head banger wrote:

see strat, we dont agree with everything in this thread!!! well said

_strat_ wrote:

Edited at: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:40:57 AM

[_strat_] Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:16:27 AM

Lol... It never occured to me that Michael Palin and the famous hockey mom are so connected! Cant imagine her singing "Always look on the birght side of life"... More like "Let the motherfucker burn".

Yup. Cleese is the man!
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:45:11 PM

I second that Becks and Guido!!!
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[Becks] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:25:54 PM

he puts it very well LOL!
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[guidogodoy] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 5:22:31 PM

Oh man, how come no one told me that John Cleese and I share the same thoughts about Palin (NOT Michael)? Too good.

[_strat_] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:27:00 AM

[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:19:22 AM

I wish I may...I wish I might...It's time to eat...I'm outta sight!
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[Head banger] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:15:09 AM

see strat, we dont agree with everything in this thread!!! well said
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:39:27 AM)

[_strat_] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:21:10 AM

Yup. I agree. Except for the faith in god, since Im an atheist.

But in any case, what this bullshit suggests is pretty much that we can just wish for things, and they will happen. Thats, if I got it right, anyway. In any case, thats bullshit. I wish to get into college this summer. I cant wish myself there. I have to study and prepare myself for the entry exams. Just wishing wont do me much good.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:14:42 AM)

[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:14:42 AM

I second that! I never bothered with bullshit like self-help books. My help comes from my friends and family. My faith is in God and the general believe that we are all good people and can do anything we want - given the right method in which to succeed and the drive to attain what we want.
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[_strat_] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:39:27 AM

And all packed in that "ancient secret" package, and "suppressed knowledge"... Someone is going to make a pile of cash, and a whole lot of people will be disapointed.
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Edited at: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:40:57 AM

[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Tuesday, March 17, 2009 12:24:20 AM

Robert Proctor (The Secret)

a. Hammerstein

[BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Monday, March 16, 2009 11:20:39 PM

THE SECRET

Our company is introducing this program into our daily routine. It's optional training, but it is encouraged and advised. Especially amongst the older employers and managers (myself being both.) I've always been leery of 'snake-oil salesmen' and 'positive thinking gurus.' And I'm very wary of 'New Age' preachers and speakers that speak of goals and success without including GOD into the equation. So when I see something like this, part of me wants to run. While the other part is seduced by the attraction. Either way, it cannot hurt to try. But can it? Is the spiritual trade-off worth the price and result? a. Hammerstein

[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, March 16, 2009 5:57:37 AM

Okay, this just REEKS of absolute STUPIDITY! http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20090316_CRYING_FOUL_OVER_FACEBOOK.html
Sadly, this in-duh-vidual works for a fucking law firm to boot!!!!! Is there a common sense shortage or something?????? At least, the guy from New Jersey who decided to strip naked and run a mile on one of the most congested and most heavily traveled thorofares in the United States made me laugh a little. http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20090316_Man_strips_naked__runs_down_Schuylkill_Expressway.html

[_strat_] Friday, February 27, 2009 7:29:26 AM

A little??? It looks like something from Conservapedia!

In any case, politicians could (and some actualy do) think, but much of that stuff is arbitrary - some may decide something is good, some may not. We would still be at the same problem.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 27, 2009 7:17:31 AM)

Head banger wrote:

well... on that list (thought it might be biased a little) it says that all the right wing stuff is good.
the real solution is for policians (because lets face it, they dont care what we think) to actualy think, and do the right thing.

good luck with that one.

Bev wrote:

Well, there you have it. There is something fundamentally wrong with being either one or the other. It makes more sense to apply combinations of either dependent upon the circumstance. Now that the problem has been identified, what's the solution.

		Head banger wrote:

		The Right-Left Political Matrix Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM The Political Left Believes: -That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests; -In the primacy of the collective over the individual; -That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state; -That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others); -That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all; -That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen; -That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives); -That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals; -That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state; -That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior; -That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable; -That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages; -That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs); -That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil; -That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another. The Political Right Believes: -That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests; -That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society; -That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law; -That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it; -That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property; -That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility; -That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken; -That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined; -That the best government is that which governs least; -That individuals are accountable for their own actions; -That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute; -That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources; -That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours); -That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior; -That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally. *** This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.

[Head banger] Friday, February 27, 2009 7:24:50 AM

castro?

nope, he did lots of that. humm, dont tell me, let me guess.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 27, 2009 7:18:08 AM)

_strat_ wrote:

Oh, well... I guess ill never learn, eh? In any case, I know ONE leftwinger who will become a murderer, if rightwingers keep on winding him up...

Head banger wrote:

I knew that. my leftwingers are the only killers was a joke

_strat_ wrote:

No, lol, oj is a typo, when my finger was looking for the "k" but found "j" instead. The guy OJ may be a killer, but he is funny as hell too.

Killing people does mean that they are deprieved of rights... But killing people is not restricted to leftists. Hitler was a far-right winger, killed millions. So did the right winged Catholic church + the eastern Orthodox churches who killed a whole lotta people, and ruled Europe through an oppresive feudalist system that lasted for over a millenium. So much for freedom.

In any case, I would say that the only conclusion that makes sense is that politics and ideologies are far to complicated to be simply divided into "left vs. right". State vs. anti-State is another matter that was divided into the left -right labels there. Marxists and anarchists are both left wing ideologies and both strive for a stateless, classless society. How much more anti-state can you get? And how about the right winger Franco, who ruled Spain with an iron hand from 1930s to 70s?

And I do wonder what gay rights activists must think of the idea of "freedom loving rightwingers".

Head banger wrote:

oj is a old football player who killed people, killing people means he deprived them of rights, so is a leftist.
that said, this is the truth.

_strat_ wrote:

Oj, just to make sure... Is this serious or is it a joke? In any case, its an epic fail.

		Head banger wrote:

		The Right-Left Political Matrix Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM The Political Left Believes: -That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests; -In the primacy of the collective over the individual; -That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state; -That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others); -That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all; -That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen; -That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives); -That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals; -That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state; -That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior; -That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable; -That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages; -That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs); -That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil; -That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another. The Political Right Believes: -That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests; -That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society; -That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law; -That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it; -That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property; -That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility; -That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken; -That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined; -That the best government is that which governs least; -That individuals are accountable for their own actions; -That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute; -That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources; -That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours); -That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior; -That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally. *** This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.

[_strat_] Friday, February 27, 2009 7:18:08 AM

Oh, well... I guess ill never learn, eh? In any case, I know ONE leftwinger who will become a murderer, if rightwingers keep on winding him up...
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Head banger wrote:

I knew that. my leftwingers are the only killers was a joke

_strat_ wrote:

Head banger wrote:

oj is a old football player who killed people, killing people means he deprived them of rights, so is a leftist.
that said, this is the truth.

_strat_ wrote:

Oj, just to make sure... Is this serious or is it a joke? In any case, its an epic fail.

		Head banger wrote:

		The Right-Left Political Matrix Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM The Political Left Believes: -That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests; -In the primacy of the collective over the individual; -That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state; -That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others); -That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all; -That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen; -That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives); -That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals; -That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state; -That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior; -That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable; -That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages; -That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs); -That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil; -That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another. The Political Right Believes: -That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests; -That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society; -That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law; -That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it; -That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property; -That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility; -That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken; -That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined; -That the best government is that which governs least; -That individuals are accountable for their own actions; -That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute; -That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources; -That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours); -That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior; -That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally. *** This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.

[Head banger] Friday, February 27, 2009 7:17:31 AM

Bev wrote:

		Head banger wrote:

		The Right-Left Political Matrix Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM The Political Left Believes: -That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests; -In the primacy of the collective over the individual; -That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state; -That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others); -That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all; -That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen; -That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives); -That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals; -That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state; -That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior; -That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable; -That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages; -That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs); -That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil; -That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another. The Political Right Believes: -That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests; -That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society; -That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law; -That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it; -That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property; -That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility; -That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken; -That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined; -That the best government is that which governs least; -That individuals are accountable for their own actions; -That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute; -That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources; -That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours); -That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior; -That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally. *** This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.

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