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[Head banger] Friday, February 27, 2009 7:16:06 AM 
I knew that.  my leftwingers are the only killers was a joke
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[_strat_] Friday, February 27, 2009 2:14:59 AM 
No, lol, oj is a typo, when my finger was looking for the "k" but found "j" instead. The guy OJ may be a killer, but he is funny as hell too.

Killing people does mean that they are deprieved of rights... But killing people is not restricted to leftists. Hitler was a far-right winger, killed millions. So did the right winged Catholic church + the eastern Orthodox churches who killed a whole lotta people, and ruled Europe through an oppresive feudalist system that lasted for over a millenium. So much for freedom.

In any case, I would say that the only conclusion that makes sense is that politics and ideologies are far to complicated to be simply divided into "left vs. right". State vs. anti-State is another matter that was divided into the left -right labels there. Marxists and anarchists are both left wing ideologies and both strive for a stateless, classless society. How much more anti-state can you get? And how about the right winger Franco, who ruled Spain with an iron hand from 1930s to 70s?

And I do wonder what gay rights activists must think of the idea of "freedom loving rightwingers".
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:25:43 PM)
[Bev] Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:51:39 PM 
Well, there you have it.  There is something fundamentally wrong with being either one or the other.  It makes more sense to apply combinations of either dependent upon the circumstance.  Now that the problem has been identified, what's the solution.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:50:54 PM)
[Head banger] Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:25:43 PM 
oj is a old football player who killed people, killing people means he deprived them of rights, so is a leftist.
that said, this is the truth.
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[_strat_] Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:00:28 PM 
Oj, just to make sure... Is this serious or is it a joke? In any case, its an epic fail.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:50:54 PM)
[Head banger] Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:50:54 PM 

The Right-Left Political Matrix

Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM

The Political Left Believes:

-That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests;
-In the primacy of the collective over the individual;
-That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state;
-That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others);
-That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all;
-That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen;
-That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives);
-That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals;
-That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state;
-That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior;
-That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable;
-That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages;
-That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs);
-That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil;
-That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another.

The Political Right Believes:

-That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests;
-That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society;
-That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law;
-That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it;
-That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property;
-That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility;
-That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken;
-That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined;
-That the best government is that which governs least;
-That individuals are accountable for their own actions;
-That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute;
-That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources;
-That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours);
-That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior;
-That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally.

***

This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.

[_strat_] Friday, February 20, 2009 4:28:02 PM 
Yup. Behold the latest advance in Islamic AA technology!


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[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 20, 2009 4:19:56 PM 
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 20, 2009 3:53:30 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 20, 2009 3:53:30 PM 
Wouldnt that be "Moamer"? And he says Reagan was a dog, and that he spend the entire war throwing his shoes in the direction of the US jets.

Saddam loves him, tho.
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[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 20, 2009 8:32:59 AM 
Why not give our old pal Momar in Lybia a call and ask him what he thinks it meant?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[_strat_] Friday, February 20, 2009 5:18:41 AM 
I dont think so...

"Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall!" may have meant: "Get dat dang wall off ma property!"
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[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Friday, February 20, 2009 5:10:29 AM 
Ummmm...strat?  I believe that would be coincidence.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:44:25 AM)
[_strat_] Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:44:25 AM 
Pst... Freeze, Lebensraum to the north... Go, exterminate the untermoose...

I couldnt help but noticing... Why are the first two letters of "Redneck" the same as the first two letters of "Reagan"? Any thoughts?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:17:02 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:17:02 PM 
Hitler..Obama  Hitler...Obama..Hitler...Obama....
BWWWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[_strat_] Monday, February 16, 2009 3:00:58 PM 

Oh, yeah... If a socialist wins an election, thats a fraud by default.

More than 40% voted against him, the referendum was monitored, no armed guards next to the ballot boxes. His victory was cleaner than Bushes first.

Maybe he just won because he actualy did something for the Venezuelans?


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 16, 2009 2:04:22 PM)
[Head banger] Monday, February 16, 2009 2:04:22 PM 
sure, what are the odds that people there felt safe to vote how they wanted?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 16, 2009 1:53:02 PM)
[_strat_] Monday, February 16, 2009 1:53:02 PM 

Ok, Chavez wins the referendum - no term limits. He can now theoreticaly be a president for life - if he wins an election every few years.

Now, I dont think I have to point out whos side Im on in this issue... I find myself agreeing with practicly every move he makes.

[spapad] Friday, February 13, 2009 8:20:37 PM 
I'm with ya Darth!
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[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Friday, February 13, 2009 8:15:13 PM 
We're all doomed.  Pass me the Jack Daniels.
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[spapad] Friday, February 13, 2009 5:33:36 PM 
OMG, DF posted a "chain letter".  I have also seen one that makes you think of Obama and in the end, it turns out the references were about OJ Simpson.
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