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[Head banger] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:05:41 AM 
was elected with promises of hope and change, at the begining of a recession. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 5:58:51 AM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 11:01:42 AM 
Lol... Theres a bit of Stalin in all of us...

Anyway, the test is a bit clicheic - If you are not in favour of gay marriage it automaticaly puts you to the right, while ignoring that some rightwingers can be in favour of it.

Personaly, my dillema was the one about spanking children - normaly Im against physichal punishment, but since I live next door to a kindergarten.... It was a difficult choice.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:17:11 PM)
[_strat_] Friday, February 13, 2009 10:55:23 AM 

First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.

Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.

Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.

Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite

Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.

If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 5:58:51 AM)
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Friday, February 13, 2009 6:16:20 AM 
Gandhi?  Like, OMG!  What's your address?  I'll send you a Sari and that funny little red dot the women put on their foreheads.  This way you'll fit in when you go to New Delhi on vacation. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:43:08 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Friday, February 13, 2009 5:58:51 AM 
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????

I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.


I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.

Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.

I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.

I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.

I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.

At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.

I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.

I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people.  I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support.  I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.


I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.


Who am I?

ADOLF HITLER. 
AND JUST WHO WERE YOU THINKING OF?

[spapad] Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:43:08 PM 
OK, I went and retook the stupid test,  just to show where I am. LOL
 
Both an economic dimension and a social dimension are important factors for a proper political analysis. By adding the social dimension you can show that Stalin was an authoritarian leftist (ie the state is more important than the individual) and that Gandhi, believing in the supreme value of each individual, is a liberal leftist. While the former involves state-imposed arbitary collectivism in the extreme top left, on the extreme bottom left is voluntary collectivism at regional level, with no state involved. Hundreds of such anarchist communities exisited in Spain during the civil war period
You can also put Pinochet, who was prepared to sanction mass killing for the sake of the free market, on the far right as well as in a hardcore authoritarian position. On the non-socialist side you can distinguish someone like Milton Friedman, who is anti-state for fiscal rather than social reasons, from Hitler, who wanted to make the state stronger, even if he wiped out half of humanity in the process.
The chart also makes clear that, despite popular perceptions, the opposite of fascism is not communism but anarchism (ie liberal socialism), and that the opposite of communism ( i.e. an entirely state-planned economy) is neo-liberalism (i.e. extreme deregulated economy)
The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal "anarchism" championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples social Darwinian right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues. Often their libertarian impulses stop short of opposition to strong law and order positions, and are more economic in substance (ie no taxes) so they are not as extremely libertarian as they are extremely right wing. On the other hand, the classical libertarian collectivism of anarcho-syndicalism ( libertarian socialism) belongs in the bottom left hand corner.
In our home page we demolished the myth that authoritarianism is necessarily "right wing", with the examples of Robert Mugabe, Pol Pot and Stalin. Similarly Hitler, on an economic scale, was not an extreme right-winger. His economic policies were broadly Keynesian, and to the left of some of today's Labour parties. If you could get Hitler and Stalin to sit down together and avoid economics, the two diehard authoritarians would find plenty of common ground.
Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26


OK, ya see!..................I'm almost Ghandi Damnit!
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:17:11 PM 
Oddly enough, I am a slight Authoritarian Leftist.  Must be my views on sex and the worker vs the corporation.  I find myself frequently at odds about these things.  Oh well, night all.  It's 8:15 and I have to be up in 6 hrs for work.

Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.15

Show graph on separate page for printing

[spapad] Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:42:27 PM 
OK!!! So I forgot the color of the square but it was on the lower left! 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
                                                                X this is me
 
 
 
 
 
 

would have gotton back to your insolence sooner but I was without power last night.  LOL
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:33:12 AM)
Edited at: Thursday, February 12, 2009 5:43:02 PM
[_strat_] Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:33:12 AM 
Ehm... The libertarian left is the green box. The purple one is lib. right! Gulag and reeducation for you!Well, it could be worse, tho. You could be in the upper right box, which is where Im guessing Freeze is.

But since you dont like Bush, I guess we can cut the sentence down a bit.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:35:00 PM)
[spapad] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:50:39 PM 

WAIT A DF SECOND HERE! Just waking up from a brief nap! BUSH?????!!!!! Why,.......... I would rather have my naked body drug over the hottest coals than have that psycho boy back in office and that goes for his Daddy too! ALL HAIL BILL (swingin' d*ck) CLINTON! And lets just hope the new guy can take a lead from him! Thank God the Oval Office has been liberated of the Bush regime!

If this is what you mean Strat, I'm with ya!


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:30:29 PM)
[spapad] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:35:00 PM 
Strat, I am not at the bottom of the little purple box. I'm somewhat near the upper right hand corner of it.
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[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:30:29 PM 
Wow! Um..certainly worth a try! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, don't listen to that silly socialist!! Go to sleeeeep....Bush is gooooooood. Sleeeeeeeeep......
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
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[spapad] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:27:18 PM 
I seriously don't think this would be a good look for me! 

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[_strat_] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:22:57 PM 

DONT LISTEN TO THE REPUBLICAN!!! He is evil, evil I say! And it means that you are on my side. Good, because Im in a desperate need for some allies here!


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:14:59 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:22:25 PM 
Watching twelve hours of Chuck Norris movies followed by Rambo I, II and III should do it....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:20:04 PM)
[spapad] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:20:04 PM 
Damn! I better go out and buy "Soldier of Fortune" straight away!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:18:34 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:18:34 PM 
It means you are a godless terrorist bent on the destruction of the free world.....HAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:14:59 PM)
[spapad] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:14:59 PM 
Turns out I lean towards a liberaterian left. Now, if I only knew exactly what that means, no I didn't read the results just looked at the pictures! LOL
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:38:06 PM)
[_strat_] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:38:06 PM 
Lol... No, no, no... You cant get rid of me that easy, when it comes to politics... If you get a result like that, then you will have to explain why are you a centrist and a third way - ist!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:35:44 PM)
[spapad] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:35:44 PM 
HA!! I gonna go take that test Strat and when the results come back 0,0,0,0, you'll know why I don't comment too much down here. LOL
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