I see your point man but I figure Priest tours so much because they are legends and people want to see them. They have put out SO much material that a Priest song is everywhere you look. Touring keeps the band close to the fans and I would think that is why they are so into it. Of course, this is all conjecture on my part but it does make sense when you think about it.

I read something once where Glenn mentioned that the band has an abundance of material and always does, even when they finish an album. Putting out another is likely not high on their list since they have so much material available. I think he said they always have a few songs that do not make the album so they just shelve them. Things like concept albums are more important to them since it offers them a chance to do something different and does not include old or pre-written material. The fact that the record label wants new albums is clear by virtue of the "live" release.

Priest have earned the right to do it their way, when they choose. I get that. As for what they may or may not "owe" us, I figure they try to meet that obligation by touring so much. 

   (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:27:40 PM)

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		The thing that stings me with Nostradamus is that the day they released it, of course I didn't like it,but I knew that it would be 4 fucking LONG years before  we got another studio album from this band that is the slowest band at releasing studio material!!!!   Fuckin A man,look at Saxon yet again,they released Lionheart in 2004,they released The Inner Sanctum in 2007 but that was only because Biff's house burned down to the ground in France,that was the ONLY reason they waited that long to release The Inner Sanctum in March 2007,but they released "Into The Labyrinth" in January 2009 so thats not even 2 years apart!!!  They will probably release ANOTHER studio album BEFORE Judas Priest releases thier next studio album.Saxon are able to do this because thier tours are much much shorter than Priests,I just wish Priest would not tour as much so that they could focus on releasing new material.I would rather have a brand new LP and miss the concert than wait 4 long years just so I could see the band.Give us more music!!!    (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:28:49 AM)   Deep Freeze wrote:   I understand that HB. I guess what I am saying is, I understand where Max is coming from as far as what has been offered over the last few years. If one is inclined to want a "heavier" sound, the likes of which JD, 'Rider and Max have been discussing, then one could make the argument that Nostra was "selfish" or at the very least not what they were looking for in an album, yet there are an abundance of albums that offer the same songs from "glory years" that have simply been re-packaged and offered as various "Best Ofs". I get that. Like you, I do not think it is some calculated effort on the band's part to seperate us from our money by playing on our devotion. I would be more inclined to believe that it is a marketing ploy by management or the record label. I just cannot picture Glenn sitting by the fire at his 150 year old, oak desk in the "parlor" of his estate, wearing a visor and monacle and tapping on an adding machine with stacks of gold coins in front of him as he totals up all his earnings from the hapless "sheep" that continue to purchase his re-hashed material in fancy new packages. Edited at: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:28:32 PM

Dude, you’re a nutswinger of the highest order. I really don’t know if there is any professionally filmed footage out there of Unleashed In The East. How could I possibly now that? Actually it doesn’t matter! I was just using this as an example!

Anyway, maybe you nutswingers will finally get my point if I use a real example. Here we go…

The band has never bothered to re-release The Dream Deceivers and Metal Works 73-93 videos on DVD, although both videos contain tons of extremely interesting footage (in-depth interviews, rare live performances). I know because I used to have these two videos on tape, but I wore my copies out many years ago. Unfortunately both videos have been out of print for over a decade. The only thing you can do is buy a crappy second-hand VHS tape for a ridiculously high price on ebay. What a joke! You know, if they would re-release these videos on DVD I would immediately rush out to the store and buy them. But oh no!!! They would rather make a quick buck by releasing yet another best of album or a silly box set! That’s right, buy abridged versions of the whole discography… AGAIN!!! No thanks!

The fans would be so much happier if they would re-release those classic videos on DVD. It’s not like we’re asking for the world here. But they are so out of touch and lazy that they don’t even care.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds! Do you really think they care what we have to say? They never come on here to see what their fans think. They’re way too busy counting their money and laughing at us from their castles that we paid for.

		Bazookajoe_666 wrote:
		No no no, you don't get it. At all. Its not as easy as "digging it up and releasing it". Not by a long shot. The band have released EVERY single concert they've filmed professionally. They've officially stated this many times. There is NO footage from Unleashed in the East. OR ANYTHING from that time period. NOTHING is official, anything that DOES exist is bootleg or just a few second live performance taped by the BBC or some shit. THE FOOTAGE DOES NOT EXIST. GET OVER IT. And no, the majority of us here are NOT fan boys or girls that will buy everything they release. That is so STUPID. I haven't bought A TOuch of Evil: Live yet, am I fan boy? I Don't overly want to buy it either. I guess according to your theory that instantly makes me not a fan boy. As for those of us that DO buy every single release the band puts out is because #1, they love the band and will support it to no end, you CANNOT bring someone down for supporting something. That is childish and pathetic. #2 They have a broader sense of musical acceptability and are NOT "elitists" like you seem to be. They simple have a broader range of music they enjoy, and whether you like it or not doesn't mean its wrong, what you like and dont like is your opinion, it can also make you extremely close minded at the same time. If you listen to a lot of other stuff besides typical metal, forget everything I just said. #3 Some of us are collectors, its NICE to be able to show off something, like a collection of great music. Buying shit releases is involved in that, but thats all subjective and extremely opinion based. The band owes us nothing. They give us quality releases (could be better though) nearly every year. They tour the world almost EVERY YEAR many times over just to show the fans there love. Thats all the band can do for us, give us a great live show while they still can, and give us great releases while they still can because once there gone thats all we have left. Personally I'm gonna treasure my Priest collection once Priest are done. Are you?      MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE wrote:   Spapad, you’re a nutswinger who will buy absolutely anything the band puts out. We have nutswingers on this board who even say they don’t care if just KK comes out and bangs his guitar with a stick they will still love it. They don’t care what the band puts out. If Judas Priest graces them with their presence or product they will happily buy it.   But there are some of us who are true fans and we feel that we deserve better. We shouldn’t just give our money away, they should have to earn it. The band should give us something really special. How about a DVD of a live performance of around the time of Unleashed In The East, instead of another dozen crappy best of CD’s? How fucking cool would that be? Don’t fucking tell us that this footage does not exist. Go to the warehouse and dig it up.   They owe us! The extravagant lifestyles they lead, the mansions they live in, the drugs and the alcohol they abuse and the sexual depravity they indulge in is all due to the fact the money they used to pay for it all used to be in our wallets and we were nice enough to give it to them. Edited at: Sunday, December 06, 2009 6:43:37 AM

OK I suppose I will chime in now. While I am rather "put off" by the adjectives being used, I truly think I "get" what Max is saying...to a degree, anyway. I mean, there are way more than enough "Best Of" albums out there and besides, who is it that decides what is "best" for these albums anyway?? I mean, I may not necessarily agree with the song choices! It is quite like a decision that is made by the record company anyway...not the band.

I guess it is the right of all fans to have an opinion. I hardly think Rob or the guys are cackling with sinister glee as they count the money they have earned from their fanbase. They play the music we love and we buy the CDs and go to the gigs...perfect symbiotic relationship I suppose. I would think that the whole "British Steel Anniversary" tour this year is a GREAT example of marketing. Whether or not it was the band's idea or the management's is anyone's guess around this place. I lost Jayne's number and cannot call to ask her.

I think it is really about what each individual fan wants and what they are willing to spend. If there is nothing there that I want, I don't buy anything. I still have not purchased Nostra. I am not interested in it. Does not mean there is a focused effort to deny me anything.

Dude, you’re a nutswinger of the highest order. I really don’t know if there is any professionally filmed footage out there of Unleashed In The East. How could I possibly now that? Actually it doesn’t matter! I was just using this as an example!

Anyway, maybe you nutswingers will finally get my point if I use a real example. Here we go…

The band has never bothered to re-release The Dream Deceivers and Metal Works 73-93 videos on DVD, although both videos contain tons of extremely interesting footage (in-depth interviews, rare live performances). I know because I used to have these two videos on tape, but I wore my copies out many years ago. Unfortunately both videos have been out of print for over a decade. The only thing you can do is buy a crappy second-hand VHS tape for a ridiculously high price on ebay. What a joke! You know, if they would re-release these videos on DVD I would immediately rush out to the store and buy them. But oh no!!! They would rather make a quick buck by releasing yet another best of album or a silly box set! That’s right, buy abridged versions of the whole discography… AGAIN!!! No thanks!

The fans would be so much happier if they would re-release those classic videos on DVD. It’s not like we’re asking for the world here. But they are so out of touch and lazy that they don’t even care.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds! Do you really think they care what we have to say? They never come on here to see what their fans think. They’re way too busy counting their money and laughing at us from their castles that we paid for.

		Bazookajoe_666 wrote:
		No no no, you don't get it. At all. Its not as easy as "digging it up and releasing it". Not by a long shot. The band have released EVERY single concert they've filmed professionally. They've officially stated this many times. There is NO footage from Unleashed in the East. OR ANYTHING from that time period. NOTHING is official, anything that DOES exist is bootleg or just a few second live performance taped by the BBC or some shit. THE FOOTAGE DOES NOT EXIST. GET OVER IT. And no, the majority of us here are NOT fan boys or girls that will buy everything they release. That is so STUPID. I haven't bought A TOuch of Evil: Live yet, am I fan boy? I Don't overly want to buy it either. I guess according to your theory that instantly makes me not a fan boy. As for those of us that DO buy every single release the band puts out is because #1, they love the band and will support it to no end, you CANNOT bring someone down for supporting something. That is childish and pathetic. #2 They have a broader sense of musical acceptability and are NOT "elitists" like you seem to be. They simple have a broader range of music they enjoy, and whether you like it or not doesn't mean its wrong, what you like and dont like is your opinion, it can also make you extremely close minded at the same time. If you listen to a lot of other stuff besides typical metal, forget everything I just said. #3 Some of us are collectors, its NICE to be able to show off something, like a collection of great music. Buying shit releases is involved in that, but thats all subjective and extremely opinion based. The band owes us nothing. They give us quality releases (could be better though) nearly every year. They tour the world almost EVERY YEAR many times over just to show the fans there love. Thats all the band can do for us, give us a great live show while they still can, and give us great releases while they still can because once there gone thats all we have left. Personally I'm gonna treasure my Priest collection once Priest are done. Are you?      MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE wrote:   Spapad, you’re a nutswinger who will buy absolutely anything the band puts out. We have nutswingers on this board who even say they don’t care if just KK comes out and bangs his guitar with a stick they will still love it. They don’t care what the band puts out. If Judas Priest graces them with their presence or product they will happily buy it.   But there are some of us who are true fans and we feel that we deserve better. We shouldn’t just give our money away, they should have to earn it. The band should give us something really special. How about a DVD of a live performance of around the time of Unleashed In The East, instead of another dozen crappy best of CD’s? How fucking cool would that be? Don’t fucking tell us that this footage does not exist. Go to the warehouse and dig it up.   They owe us! The extravagant lifestyles they lead, the mansions they live in, the drugs and the alcohol they abuse and the sexual depravity they indulge in is all due to the fact the money they used to pay for it all used to be in our wallets and we were nice enough to give it to them. Edited at: Sunday, December 06, 2009 6:43:37 AM

Amen J.D. Diamond! Amen brother!

They really should release a few killer albums. But I don't think it’s going to happen. When you look at the past two decades you will see that Judas Priest has not been busy putting out new killer material. On the contrary: they prefer to make a quick buck by recycling their older material over and over again. You want proof? Judas Priest has released more than 20 crappy best of albums between 1989 and 2009. I'm not kidding. I actually took the time to look it up, because it's absolutely mind-boggling:

1. Playlist: The Very Best of Judas Priest (2008)
2. Original Album Classics (2008)
3. Judas Priest (2008)
4. Hit Collection (2007)
5. The Essential Judas Priest (2006)
6. Metalogy (2004)
7. Metalogy Box Set Sampler (2004)
8. Deliverin' The Goods (2003)
9. Limited Edition Collector's Box (2001)
10. Limited Edition Collector's Sampler (2001)
11. Breaking The Law (2001)
12. Genocide (2000)
13. Simply The Best (1999)
14. Priest Live And Rare (1998)
15. The Best Of Judas Priest: Living After Midnight (1998)
16. Prisoners Of Pain (1996)
17. Judas Priest Star Box (1993)
18. Metal Works '73-'93 (1993)
19. Pure Classic Gold (1993)
20. Star Box Collection (1992)
21. The Sharpest Cuts (1991)
22. Super Best Judas Priest Collection (1990)
23. Trouble Shooters (1989)

They force feed us the same old tired shit. I think since we paid for their lavish lifestyles we deserve better! All I can say is that the songs on the next album better be REALLY FUCKING GOOD. Priest better have learned from the turd-coaster known as Nostradamus.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		After Angel Of Retribution was released in 2005,the band should of released a "KICK ASS ALBUM" in 2007 and another one in 2009 instead of wasting time with Nostradamus. 3 kick ass albums one right after the other wouldn't of hurt them any and we would of got loads of material to thrive on,but it is what it is I guess.      kiamat wrote:   Having read some of these posts, I should like to say in defence of 'the kids' that a great many do regard Priest and Maiden on the same level musically, but Maiden have a very canny manager behind them who has made sure that they stay in the spotlight (this should not be equated with selling out- its what managers are are supposed to do after all). Priest simply haven't been pushed forwards enough in recent years and I feel that because of they have been left behind slightly. Maiden tours are much better publicised (certainly in the UK- the Priest Feast tour was very much word-of-mouth, though it sold out months in advance in Manchester- which proves their popularity) and as for shirts and merch, if you want to support both Priest and Maiden it is massively easier and cheaper to get hold of a Maiden tee- I have looked at the prices of stuff on this website and mostly its not cheap (£18- compare that to the prices on the Maiden website), but if I go to another retailer like Grindstore.com or HMV, the stuff simply isn't there. And I'm not just talking Priest vs. Maiden, Heaven and Hell are another band now very popular because they have promoted themselves or been promoted well- I see a lot of guys my age with their shirts. If Priest aren't 'getting the attention they deserve' perhaps its because they haven't gone out and got that attention. Maybe they even want it that way- who knows?      hellrider 31038 wrote:   hey Epicus Doomicus Metallicus KEEP WEARING THOSE PRIEST shirts man and HALFORD if you have any seriously i have not seen even 1 person wearing either around here besides at the concerts.its allways a maiden or whatever the fuc?.i believe with metal the bands count on there fans for exposing them.getting the word out JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTT   TTTAAALLL  AND HALFORD in our case.JUDAS PRIEST OR HALFORD shirts,STUDDED jackets and vest with JUDAS PRIEST patches cant seem to find any HALFORD patches so i guess you got to paint the logo on,HALFORD and PRIEST pins and awesome jestures like the COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRRRR has done and so on      Epicus Doomicus Metallicus wrote:   Yep been a long time since I've been here, Good to see you JD. On the topic of Iron Maiden getting more popular, Yes It certainly seems to be that way, I still see plenty of kids that are into Maiden. Still nobody seems to know Who Priest Is. I find that insulting! Although Priest may have got a little mroe fanfare from games like Guitar Hero, JP still lacks  the attention they deserve. Other pioneers in Metal seem to get plenty  of attention, Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica and Gunners all have their place, yet Priest seem to be well away from that group? On the brightside Metal never dies. Oh well I will continue to wear my priest shirts, and spread the word! Oh and anotehr thing, my mate literally just had a kid, decided to name him Eddie, after the Maiden mascot. If someone happens to ask you about Priest what would you say/recommend? I Like to rant about the 70's albums. And Yes, your purchases of 6 AOR's was great! but yes I have a  habit of not giving the credit due! I hope that the copies you bought did go to good use! and that another 50 albums were bought because of that!

Twenty one out of the twenty three best of albums I listed in my previous post were released by the Columbia/Sony record label. This is not the band's previous label, it's their current label. It is amazing how some of you nutswingers are always looking for excuses. You people think that we should just worship whatever the band does, regardless of how little effort they put into it. 

Maybe the webmaster should create a new section. The nutswinger section. That's the section where all the people who hang from Halford's, KK's and Glenn's nut sacks can go and chat about how sweet it's going to be to listen to the twenty fourth best of album. And the true fans can hang here where we can demand that Judas Priest be held accountable for providing us the high caliber of entertainment that we feel we are entitled to.  

		kiamat wrote:
		I remember that about a year or so ago the band had a message up here saying that their previous record label had started releasing albums that looked like new ones and were actually just repackaged best-ofs: they suggested that it wasn't worth buying them as you wouldn't be getting anything new. The band do their best but sadly they don't own the rights to the music.      spapad wrote: Record companies are responsible for the majority of what you posted. If they can make a dime off a band's back cattaloug they will. Strange how you seem to think though because you bought a few CDs the band owes you some sort of individual debt. You want to bitch about the number or released "bests" then don't buy them. No one asked you to. Ask the record company why they release so many of them, not the band.

Twenty one out of the twenty three best of albums I listed in my previous post were released by the Columbia/Sony record label. This is not the band's previous label, it's their current label. It is amazing how some of you nutswingers are always looking for excuses. You people think that we should just worship whatever the band does, regardless of how little effort they put into it. 

Maybe the webmaster should create a new section. The nutswinger section. That's the section where all the people who hang from Halford's, KK's and Glenn's nut sacks can go and chat about how sweet it's going to be to listen to the twenty fourth best of album. And the true fans can hang here where we can demand that Judas Priest be held accountable for providing us the high caliber of entertainment that we feel we are entitled to.  

		kiamat wrote:
		I remember that about a year or so ago the band had a message up here saying that their previous record label had started releasing albums that looked like new ones and were actually just repackaged best-ofs: they suggested that it wasn't worth buying them as you wouldn't be getting anything new. The band do their best but sadly they don't own the rights to the music.      spapad wrote: Record companies are responsible for the majority of what you posted. If they can make a dime off a band's back cattaloug they will. Strange how you seem to think though because you bought a few CDs the band owes you some sort of individual debt. You want to bitch about the number or released "bests" then don't buy them. No one asked you to. Ask the record company why they release so many of them, not the band.

Spapad, you’re a nutswinger who will buy absolutely anything the band puts out. We have nutswingers on this board who even say they don’t care if just KK comes out and bangs his guitar with a stick they will still love it. They don’t care what the band puts out. If Judas Priest graces them with their presence or product they will happily buy it.

But there are some of us who are true fans and we feel that we deserve better. We shouldn’t just give our money away, they should have to earn it. The band should give us something really special. How about a DVD of a live performance of around the time of Unleashed In The East, instead of another dozen crappy best of CD’s? How fucking cool would that be? Don’t fucking tell us that this footage does not exist. Go to the warehouse and dig it up.

Spapad, you’re a nutswinger who will buy absolutely anything the band puts out. We have nutswingers on this board who even say they don’t care if just KK comes out and bangs his guitar with a stick they will still love it. They don’t care what the band puts out. If Judas Priest graces them with their presence or product they will happily buy it.

But there are some of us who are true fans and we feel that we deserve better. We shouldn’t just give our money away, they should have to earn it. The band should give us something really special. How about a DVD of a live performance of around the time of Unleashed In The East, instead of another dozen crappy best of CD’s? How fucking cool would that be? Don’t fucking tell us that this footage does not exist. Go to the warehouse and dig it up.

Amen J.D. Diamond! Amen brother!

They really should release a few killer albums. But I don't think it’s going to happen. When you look at the past two decades you will see that Judas Priest has not been busy putting out new killer material. On the contrary: they prefer to make a quick buck by recycling their older material over and over again. You want proof? Judas Priest has released more than 20 crappy best of albums between 1989 and 2009. I'm not kidding. I actually took the time to look it up, because it's absolutely mind-boggling:

1. Playlist: The Very Best of Judas Priest (2008)
2. Original Album Classics (2008)
3. Judas Priest (2008)
4. Hit Collection (2007)
5. The Essential Judas Priest (2006)
6. Metalogy (2004)
7. Metalogy Box Set Sampler (2004)
8. Deliverin' The Goods (2003)
9. Limited Edition Collector's Box (2001)
10. Limited Edition Collector's Sampler (2001)
11. Breaking The Law (2001)
12. Genocide (2000)
13. Simply The Best (1999)
14. Priest Live And Rare (1998)
15. The Best Of Judas Priest: Living After Midnight (1998)
16. Prisoners Of Pain (1996)
17. Judas Priest Star Box (1993)
18. Metal Works '73-'93 (1993)
19. Pure Classic Gold (1993)
20. Star Box Collection (1992)
21. The Sharpest Cuts (1991)
22. Super Best Judas Priest Collection (1990)
23. Trouble Shooters (1989)

They force feed us the same old tired shit. I think since we paid for their lavish lifestyles we deserve better! All I can say is that the songs on the next album better be REALLY FUCKING GOOD. Priest better have learned from the turd-coaster known as Nostradamus.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		After Angel Of Retribution was released in 2005,the band should of released a "KICK ASS ALBUM" in 2007 and another one in 2009 instead of wasting time with Nostradamus. 3 kick ass albums one right after the other wouldn't of hurt them any and we would of got loads of material to thrive on,but it is what it is I guess.      kiamat wrote:   Having read some of these posts, I should like to say in defence of 'the kids' that a great many do regard Priest and Maiden on the same level musically, but Maiden have a very canny manager behind them who has made sure that they stay in the spotlight (this should not be equated with selling out- its what managers are are supposed to do after all). Priest simply haven't been pushed forwards enough in recent years and I feel that because of they have been left behind slightly. Maiden tours are much better publicised (certainly in the UK- the Priest Feast tour was very much word-of-mouth, though it sold out months in advance in Manchester- which proves their popularity) and as for shirts and merch, if you want to support both Priest and Maiden it is massively easier and cheaper to get hold of a Maiden tee- I have looked at the prices of stuff on this website and mostly its not cheap (£18- compare that to the prices on the Maiden website), but if I go to another retailer like Grindstore.com or HMV, the stuff simply isn't there. And I'm not just talking Priest vs. Maiden, Heaven and Hell are another band now very popular because they have promoted themselves or been promoted well- I see a lot of guys my age with their shirts. If Priest aren't 'getting the attention they deserve' perhaps its because they haven't gone out and got that attention. Maybe they even want it that way- who knows?      hellrider 31038 wrote:   hey Epicus Doomicus Metallicus KEEP WEARING THOSE PRIEST shirts man and HALFORD if you have any seriously i have not seen even 1 person wearing either around here besides at the concerts.its allways a maiden or whatever the fuc?.i believe with metal the bands count on there fans for exposing them.getting the word out JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTT   TTTAAALLL  AND HALFORD in our case.JUDAS PRIEST OR HALFORD shirts,STUDDED jackets and vest with JUDAS PRIEST patches cant seem to find any HALFORD patches so i guess you got to paint the logo on,HALFORD and PRIEST pins and awesome jestures like the COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRRRR has done and so on      Epicus Doomicus Metallicus wrote:   Yep been a long time since I've been here, Good to see you JD. On the topic of Iron Maiden getting more popular, Yes It certainly seems to be that way, I still see plenty of kids that are into Maiden. Still nobody seems to know Who Priest Is. I find that insulting! Although Priest may have got a little mroe fanfare from games like Guitar Hero, JP still lacks  the attention they deserve. Other pioneers in Metal seem to get plenty  of attention, Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica and Gunners all have their place, yet Priest seem to be well away from that group? On the brightside Metal never dies. Oh well I will continue to wear my priest shirts, and spread the word! Oh and anotehr thing, my mate literally just had a kid, decided to name him Eddie, after the Maiden mascot. If someone happens to ask you about Priest what would you say/recommend? I Like to rant about the 70's albums. And Yes, your purchases of 6 AOR's was great! but yes I have a  habit of not giving the credit due! I hope that the copies you bought did go to good use! and that another 50 albums were bought because of that!

After Angel Of Retribution was released in 2005,the band should of released a "KICK ASS ALBUM" in 2007 and another one in 2009 instead of wasting time with Nostradamus. 3 kick ass albums one right after the other wouldn't of hurt them any and we would of got loads of material to thrive on,but it is what it is I guess.

		kiamat wrote:
		Having read some of these posts, I should like to say in defence of 'the kids' that a great many do regard Priest and Maiden on the same level musically, but Maiden have a very canny manager behind them who has made sure that they stay in the spotlight (this should not be equated with selling out- its what managers are are supposed to do after all). Priest simply haven't been pushed forwards enough in recent years and I feel that because of they have been left behind slightly. Maiden tours are much better publicised (certainly in the UK- the Priest Feast tour was very much word-of-mouth, though it sold out months in advance in Manchester- which proves their popularity) and as for shirts and merch, if you want to support both Priest and Maiden it is massively easier and cheaper to get hold of a Maiden tee- I have looked at the prices of stuff on this website and mostly its not cheap (£18- compare that to the prices on the Maiden website), but if I go to another retailer like Grindstore.com or HMV, the stuff simply isn't there. And I'm not just talking Priest vs. Maiden, Heaven and Hell are another band now very popular because they have promoted themselves or been promoted well- I see a lot of guys my age with their shirts. If Priest aren't 'getting the attention they deserve' perhaps its because they haven't gone out and got that attention. Maybe they even want it that way- who knows?      hellrider 31038 wrote:   hey Epicus Doomicus Metallicus KEEP WEARING THOSE PRIEST shirts man and HALFORD if you have any seriously i have not seen even 1 person wearing either around here besides at the concerts.its allways a maiden or whatever the fuc?.i believe with metal the bands count on there fans for exposing them.getting the word out JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTT   TTTAAALLL  AND HALFORD in our case.JUDAS PRIEST OR HALFORD shirts,STUDDED jackets and vest with JUDAS PRIEST patches cant seem to find any HALFORD patches so i guess you got to paint the logo on,HALFORD and PRIEST pins and awesome jestures like the COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRRRR has done and so on      Epicus Doomicus Metallicus wrote:   Yep been a long time since I've been here, Good to see you JD. On the topic of Iron Maiden getting more popular, Yes It certainly seems to be that way, I still see plenty of kids that are into Maiden. Still nobody seems to know Who Priest Is. I find that insulting! Although Priest may have got a little mroe fanfare from games like Guitar Hero, JP still lacks  the attention they deserve. Other pioneers in Metal seem to get plenty  of attention, Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica and Gunners all have their place, yet Priest seem to be well away from that group? On the brightside Metal never dies. Oh well I will continue to wear my priest shirts, and spread the word! Oh and anotehr thing, my mate literally just had a kid, decided to name him Eddie, after the Maiden mascot. If someone happens to ask you about Priest what would you say/recommend? I Like to rant about the 70's albums. And Yes, your purchases of 6 AOR's was great! but yes I have a  habit of not giving the credit due! I hope that the copies you bought did go to good use! and that another 50 albums were bought because of that!

Huh? Didn't you mean "descent down" to British Steel? Because British Steel is one of the biggest pieces of crap released by Judas Priest. It's terribly overrated. My copy ended up as a frisbee! LMAO! Killing Machine on the other hand, the album that preceded British Steel, is like a million times better than British Steel!   

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		lol! Yeah they were given to People that like Judas Priest that probably would of never bought the album but I didn't care,I just wanted Priest to have good sales from A.O.R.,didn't sell as many as I hoped but I'm still glad I supported them that way,not everybody can do this so if I'm able I'll do it again!  What would I recomend? I would probably recomend the 70's albums as well because from there they could climb up to British Steel and up....that would give them a good representation of the band's style and progress throughout the years ect...      Epicus Doomicus Metallicus wrote:   Yep been a long time since I've been here, Good to see you JD. On the topic of Iron Maiden getting more popular, Yes It certainly seems to be that way, I still see plenty of kids that are into Maiden. Still nobody seems to know Who Priest Is. I find that insulting! Although Priest may have got a little mroe fanfare from games like Guitar Hero, JP still lacks  the attention they deserve. Other pioneers in Metal seem to get plenty  of attention, Sabbath, Maiden, Metallica and Gunners all have their place, yet Priest seem to be well away from that group? On the brightside Metal never dies. Oh well I will continue to wear my priest shirts, and spread the word! Oh and anotehr thing, my mate literally just had a kid, decided to name him Eddie, after the Maiden mascot. If someone happens to ask you about Priest what would you say/recommend? I Like to rant about the 70's albums. And Yes, your purchases of 6 AOR's was great! but yes I have a  habit of not giving the credit due! I hope that the copies you bought did go to good use! and that another 50 albums were bought because of that!

HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL   YEEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH  J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMAAAAANNNNNNDDDDEEEEERRRR.FUC? YEAH MAN WITH MY STUDDED WRISTBANDS ON AND FIST IN THE AIR.KEEPING THE JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL FAITH ALIVE.

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		LOL! I bought 6 copies of Angel Of Retribution to show my support for the band and gave away 5 of them to some friends at work to spread the word! I'll do the same if the next album kicks ass!!! And even though I didn't go,I bought 2 tickets to the Nostradamus tour and gave them to some friends,so I'm definately supporting this band with my money!!! They deserve it.

j.d.,

How right you are!!!!

I am special - just like everyone else thinks they are special.
On this space my opinion means the same as yours.
As far as putting out a disco album - I can't answer that one.  They haven't yet.  When they do I'll give you my opinion.
Yup, #1 JP fan in the world along with all the other self proclaimed JP fans.
"have no game" - please define, since that is your speculation.
"Geek" - yeah sure I'll admit I might be a geek.  But if you saw my life, then being a geek would be A-OKAY!!!
Sure pass along your "special instructions."  does not mean that I will follow them.

Oh and j.d. no need to reply to my post, because I will not reply to yours.

Cheers!

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		Well look at you "tasnam1"(   ) aren't you "special" you like "anything" they do,your opinion really means nothing dude they could put out a disco album and you'd like it. And I suppose that makes you the #1 Priest fan in the freaking world also am I correct? Please. You are a "fan-boy" like a little dog following somebody around,obviously you have no game. And so the fuck what if you "find all this Turbo,hate Ripper,Hate Nos,ect....amusing,who the fuck are you anyways ya fuckin geek? A nobody. If you don't like this thread,stay the fuck out of it dumbshit.  Or do you need special instructions?I get so tired of idiots like you.  Mother fucker.  (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Friday, October 23, 2009 10:28:34 PM)   tasnam1 wrote:   I find all this hate Turbo, hate Ripper, hate NOS, ect.... amusing.. This is so simple: I AM the 100% Priest Fan because.... I LOVE Judas Priest Music and band 100% All the time! - #1 Band of all time! - ALL ALBUMS, ALL Eras, ALL singers.  Period! Give me ANY Album, Any Song, Any time! How is that people!?!?!? We can end this thread can't we!?!?!?! PM Edited at: Saturday, October 24, 2009 3:44:41 AM

YOOOOOHHHH COOOOMMMMMMAAAAANNNNNDDDDDEEEERRRRRRRRR .your oviously smoking up right now right.lol

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		That scream right there wasn't one of his best hellrider(lol!) that one sounded a little better than the one of Rising In The East/A Touch Of Evil Live 2009 but not much better lol! He just can't climb high enough to hit that fucking note my friend!!! I have no doubt that the night you saw him he hit it,but Freeze is right....99% of the time he just can not hit that freaking fracking note anymore!! LOL hellrider!!!! lol!!!!!!!!!!      hellrider 31038 wrote: THE MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLLLER SCREAM IN MONTREAL 2008 IN YOUR FACE 3.52 MARK CRANK IT.I REST MY CASE

A friend of mine and I saw that show at The Castle in Charlevoix. I've got to say, THAT was a COOL venue! We had pretty crappy seats though, about halfway back - but at least it wasn't the lawn.

The dumbass was probably there to see Cinderella anyway..... everyone kept staring at me as I was singing along because it was quite obvious that no one had heard of this song! Didn't stop me for enjoying the hell out of it though!

		guidogodoy wrote:
		ASKS YOU THE NAME OF THE SONG?!?!? I could imagine your seats, too. Now THAT guy is one of the ways to know you are NOT a JP fan.....drawn and quartered, I say.      HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: I agree Freeze, Rob most definitely does not sound the same as he did in the '90s. I remember leaving the Painkiller show in absolute and complete AWE of Rob's vocals. I still think back to that show and watch the bootleg of it and my jaw drops. But he was also NOT dead on in every show even back then if you watch other live performances. I don't know how you could be dead on every single show with as many as they do on a tour. At the Cleveland show this year, on VOC it was the same note he hit, however it doesn't sound the same because his scream isn't crystal clear like it used to be. I think that's it right there, it's not the crisp, crystal clear scream of old. But yes, like you said, it's still damn incredible and better than anyone on the planet can do. There are so many other songs for Priest to do, they should drop Painkiller. But what I think is funny is that when they DID do Painkiller last year, people were bitching about Rob's voice on it. So this year, they DROP Painkiller from the set list and people are bitching because they want to hear Painkiller...... they just can't win! I would LOVE for them to bring back Beyond the Realms of Death. I remember when they brought that song back on the Ram It Down tour. I screamed so loud half my section turned to look at me! Then after the song was over, some dude tapped me on the shoulder and asked what the name of the song was and what album it was off of. When I told him, he got a funny look on his face. I told him it was an AWESOME album and to GO BUY IT!      Deep Freeze wrote: I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes. Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not. I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan.  And there is nothing wrong with that. Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and  glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was.

hear, hear DF

Regarding that, they just ought to switch the setlist to songs Rob CAN still nail. All the Painkiller fans, I'm sorry, but I'd rather have the Metal God shining in a lower range than seeing him doubled over, killing himself to give us a raspy, barely held screeched Painkiller. Bring in Victim of Changes! Beyond the Realms of Death! They are more suited to his voice now, and have only the occasional scream to which I think he is still capable of adapting. Island of Domination would rock on stage, imo. There are just so MANY good Priest songs that would be killer on stage that Rob can still pull off, why insist on ruining his voice further for the sake of ONE song?


Personally I'd be even more radical and utterly BAN the Painkiller album (for the same reasons as mentioned above) and have him bet on the pre '88 (Ram it Down for all you 100% fans with the albums on your hard drives taken from some crappy spanish blog)

		Deep Freeze wrote:
		I find the discussion regarding Rob's voice most interesting. Everyone here that really knows me is well aware that I am a huge fan and love Rob. He is a master at his craft. Having said this, I have to be very honest about something that I see mentioned more often than not; the "high" notes. Rob Halford is THE Metal God. But Rob is NOT the Rob of twenty years ago, period. I have been to many shows, seen the DVDs and bootlegs and heard the outakes and I am telling you, he does not hit the same note on Painkiller that he did in '90 or '91. It may be loud. It may be piercing. It may be FAR better than me or nearly anyone on the planet will ever be able to do but it is NOT the same note he used on the album or managed to hit many years ago. It's just not. I have read countless posts regarding the "great" shows many of us have seen recently and I see the constant assertions that Rob "hit every note" or was "just like he used to be".... Baloney. He cannot hit that note anymore. He cannot. Further, he has not for MANY years. I fear most of us are simply hearing him through the ears of the devoted fan.  And there is nothing wrong with that. Priest gigs are still awesome. The songs are incredible and the guys are fantastic. I love them all and I believe I am as true a fan as there is on earth but there are things that Rob just cannot do in the same way anymore. Singing Painkiller is clearly one of them. He can sing the song, but it is NOT the same as the album. All the wishful thinking and  glowing commentary on earth cannot change nature. We age. We ALL age. And with that age comes the deterioration of some of our natural talents. Sports figures, singers, dancers...all things physical. That is part of life. In all honesty, Rob still knows his craft well and performs better than most in the field, including those younger than he. He is true genius. However, he is not what he was.

I find all this hate Turbo, hate Ripper, hate NOS, ect.... amusing..



This is so simple:

I AM the 100% Priest Fan because....

I LOVE Judas Priest Music and band 100% All the time! - #1 Band of all time! - ALL ALBUMS, ALL Eras, ALL singers.  Period!

Give me ANY Album, Any Song, Any time!

How is that people!?!?!?

We can end this thread can't we!?!?!?!

YOOOOHHHHHH J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAAANNNNNDDDDDDEEEEERRRRRRRR.well if he has trouble some night.SO FUC?EN WHAT.fine totally understand no problem.personally.i dont like your idea with the guitars i think it sucks.lol.(kidding  man lol.for me it would definatly lack AGRESSION AND POOOOOOOWWWWWEEEERRRRR MAN AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.  

		J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
		Yeah I know hellrider,but if he could possibly sense the nights he can't hit that note,he should have Glenn or Ken pinch the harmonics and bend them  but for the nights he can hit them then he could belt it out! I'm just not sure if there is any way for him of knowing or sensing that he can't hit it on certain nights? So I'm not saying he can't hit it anymore by all means,just would be nice to hear the guitars doing it when he can't.    (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, October 23, 2009 4:55:54 PM)   hellrider 31038 wrote:   IF YOU WERE AT THE 2008 TORONTO SHOW I AM SURE YOU WOULD CHANGE YOUR MIND COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAAANNNNNNDDDDDEEEERRRRRR about HALFORD HITTING THAT SIGNITURE SCREAM IN THE MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLER.i posted a video in the next album thread it is pretty good quality but not nearly as good as the live thing       J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   Well,I "HATE" the "TURBO" album and Priest...Live! Is "watered down" to me,it lacks "power" and the old songs they played live on that album sound "turboized"!! LOL JOE!! They do...Electric Eye ect..they all sound like "TURBO"! And the new album "A Touch Of Evil Live" well maybe its the "Painkiller" track that turned me off of this album.I never bought it and its just not my thing I guess,its not as bad as Priest Live! but there is something about it that turns me off and I don't really know "what" that is?  And about the "Painkiller" track these days played live....since Rob obviously can not hit that signiture "scream" in Painkller,why doesn't Glenn or Ken just pinch a high pitched harmonic and bend it down in place of Rob's vocals trying to do it? I think it would "sound" wayyy better and it would save him from trying to belt this out.If there are some shows that he can hit that scream,then so be it but if he thinks he can't hit it,then they should use the guitar bend idea!    (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, October 23, 2009 4:06:43 PM)   Bazooka Joe wrote:   What????? What's wrong with Priest... Live! and A Touch of Evil: Live aside from Rob's vocals sucking ass on Painkiller?      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   I sure don't own every album by our Priest...I don't and will not own  Turbo,Priest Live!,Demolition,Live In London,Nostradamus and A Touch Of Evil "live". Those 6 albums I don't care to have.      K2M wrote:   If you Have Every Judas Priest Release. Record, Tape, CD. and have multple copies of them because you wore them out. Edited at: Friday, October 23, 2009 5:16:03 PM