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sex! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:51:25 AM) | | _strat_ wrote: | | I remembered a story I head once, that the British used to supply their soldiers with heroin in WW1. So, they had violence, they had drugs. Why would they bother going to Amsterdam? | | Head banger wrote: | | one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino. | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[_strat_] Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:51:25 AM | |
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I remembered a story I head once, that the British used to supply their soldiers with heroin in WW1. So, they had violence, they had drugs. Why would they bother going to Amsterdam? [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:52:37 AM) | | Head banger wrote: | | one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino. | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[_strat_] Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:50:05 AM | |
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Cool, but I prefer the part where they talk about nailing her to the coffin "so she may never rise and cause evil again..." [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM) | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777... | | _strat_ wrote: | | Tell that to Abigail LaFay. | | Head banger wrote: | | one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino. | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[_strat_] Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:48:54 AM | |
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Hey, DF, Im afraid I dont understand HBs Canadian babbling. Could you translate please? [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:51:07 AM) | | Head banger wrote: | | ask DF, I speak canadian not english! HA! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Yikes! Well, I guess thats what happens when I try to teach English to a native English speaker... WIll STFU on grammar. | | Head banger wrote: | | I was actualy calling soy abnormal, instead of paranormal. but yes you got the esence of the phrases there. | | _strat_ wrote: | | I think that "abnormal" simply refers to weird things. So, I guess that running around in your underwear, burbing to the tune of "metal gods" is abnormal, but coming from the afterlife to pay a visit to your friends and wondering why are they all freaking out, is paranormal. Then again, Freeze will probably know this better than I do. | | Head banger wrote: | | I thought it was abnormal, not paranormal? | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | ...I AM CANADIAN!...AND I AM PARANORMAL!!!...SOOOOOO ....DON'T MAKE ME SEND MY MINIONS OF DARKNESS TO YOUR DOOR ...FOR OUR NAME IS LEGION.....AND WE
ARE MANY! | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:22:24 AM | |
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OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
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WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
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Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
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one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
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Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
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Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
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Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
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Deep Freeze wrote: |
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I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777... [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:06:52 AM) | | _strat_ wrote: | | Tell that to Abigail LaFay. | | Head banger wrote: | | one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino. | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[_strat_] Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:06:52 AM | |
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Tell that to Abigail LaFay. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:52:37 AM) | | Head banger wrote: | | one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino. | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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HA!!!!!!!!!!! Good point and another reason "ghosts" or at least the classic idea of ghosts does not make sense. One would think that a tragic event such as dying would lead one to find a "happier" place to spend eternity! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:52:37 AM) | | Head banger wrote: | | one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino. | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:43:27 PM) | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[Head banger] Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:51:07 AM | |
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ask DF, I speak canadian not english! HA! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:25:42 PM) | | _strat_ wrote: | | Yikes! Well, I guess thats what happens when I try to teach English to a native English speaker... WIll STFU on grammar. | | Head banger wrote: | | I was actualy calling soy abnormal, instead of paranormal. but yes you got the esence of the phrases there. | | _strat_ wrote: | | I think that "abnormal" simply refers to weird things. So, I guess that running around in your underwear, burbing to the tune of "metal gods" is abnormal, but coming from the afterlife to pay a visit to your friends and wondering why are they all freaking out, is paranormal. Then again, Freeze will probably know this better than I do. | | Head banger wrote: | | I thought it was abnormal, not paranormal? | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | ...I AM CANADIAN!...AND I AM PARANORMAL!!!...SOOOOOO ....DON'T MAKE ME SEND MY MINIONS OF DARKNESS TO YOUR DOOR ...FOR OUR NAME IS LEGION.....AND WE
ARE MANY! | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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what was that again? [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:15:02 PM) | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | THAT'S ABBY NORMAL TO YOU!...MR. ABBY NORMAL AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!!!... | | Head banger wrote: | | I was actualy calling soy abnormal, instead of paranormal. but yes you got the esence of the phrases there. | | _strat_ wrote: | | I think that "abnormal" simply refers to weird things. So, I guess that running around in your underwear, burbing to the tune of "metal gods" is abnormal, but coming from the afterlife to pay a visit to your friends and wondering why are they all freaking out, is paranormal. Then again, Freeze will probably know this better than I do. | | Head banger wrote: | | I thought it was abnormal, not paranormal? | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | ...I AM CANADIAN!...AND I AM PARANORMAL!!!...SOOOOOO ....DON'T MAKE ME SEND MY MINIONS OF DARKNESS TO YOUR DOOR ...FOR OUR NAME IS LEGION.....AND WE
ARE MANY! | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 12, 2008 6:03:36 PM) | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, I guess its logical to assume that the more people died in a certain location, the higher the number of ghosts in that location will be. But since there are no such things as ghosts, we can drop the theory into the superstitious garbage can right away.
As for Rolling Stones... They are undead, if ever I saw an undead.
And dont think you are too smart... I completed a jigsaw puzzle in two months, even though it said "3-5 years" on the box.
Oh, and you do know youre a geek? (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:54:18 PM)
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The Rolling Stones?!?!?! BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!! TOO funny! Well, one last bit on the vampire thing; If we ignore human mortality, death/birth rates, etc. and figure that one vampire must "feed" once a month and started on say, Feb 1st, then you have TWO vampires feeding in March, four in April and the number grows exponentially. After X months, you have a mathematical elimination of mortals. (It is called geometric progression, I believe)
As for ghosts on battlefields, I do not believe it matters how many people died in a certain area. I hear that a lot. Same thing with graveyards and whatnot. NOW then, as for my knowledge SOY..........It just so happens I can do the TV crossword in under TWO weeks!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
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Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
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Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
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I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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Well, I guess its logical to assume that the more people died in a certain location, the higher the number of ghosts in that location will be. But since there are no such things as ghosts, we can drop the theory into the superstitious garbage can right away.
As for Rolling Stones... They are undead, if ever I saw an undead.
And dont think you are too smart... I completed a jigsaw puzzle in two months, even though it said "3-5 years" on the box.
Oh, and you do know youre a geek? [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:54:18 PM)
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The Rolling Stones?!?!?! BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!! TOO funny! Well, one last bit on the vampire thing; If we ignore human mortality, death/birth rates, etc. and figure that one vampire must "feed" once a month and started on say, Feb 1st, then you have TWO vampires feeding in March, four in April and the number grows exponentially. After X months, you have a mathematical elimination of mortals. (It is called geometric progression, I believe)
As for ghosts on battlefields, I do not believe it matters how many people died in a certain area. I hear that a lot. Same thing with graveyards and whatnot. NOW then, as for my knowledge SOY..........It just so happens I can do the TV crossword in under TWO weeks!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
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Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
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Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
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I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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The Rolling Stones?!?!?! BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!! TOO funny! Well, one last bit on the vampire thing; If we ignore human mortality, death/birth rates, etc. and figure that one vampire must "feed" once a month and started on say, Feb 1st, then you have TWO vampires feeding in March, four in April and the number grows exponentially. After X months, you have a mathematical elimination of mortals. (It is called geometric progression, I believe)
As for ghosts on battlefields, I do not believe it matters how many people died in a certain area. I hear that a lot. Same thing with graveyards and whatnot. NOW then, as for my knowledge SOY..........It just so happens I can do the TV crossword in under TWO weeks!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
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Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
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Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
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I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:31:24 PM) | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:22:04 PM) | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[Soylentgreen4u] Friday, December 12, 2008 5:28:29 PM | |
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DON'T LET DF FOOL YA'...HE KNOWS NOT OF ANY KIND OF PHYSICS EITHER...BLOODY BLEEDING HELL,THE MAN CAN'T EVEN FINISH A TV GUIDE CROSSWORD PUZZLE WITHOUT CASHING IN HIS 'CALL A FRIEND' CHIP!!!...... [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:22:04 PM) | | _strat_ wrote: | | Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[_strat_] Friday, December 12, 2008 5:25:42 PM | |
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Yikes! Well, I guess thats what happens when I try to teach English to a native English speaker... WIll STFU on grammar. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:08:45 PM) | | Head banger wrote: | | I was actualy calling soy abnormal, instead of paranormal. but yes you got the esence of the phrases there. | | _strat_ wrote: | | I think that "abnormal" simply refers to weird things. So, I guess that running around in your underwear, burbing to the tune of "metal gods" is abnormal, but coming from the afterlife to pay a visit to your friends and wondering why are they all freaking out, is paranormal. Then again, Freeze will probably know this better than I do. | | Head banger wrote: | | I thought it was abnormal, not paranormal? | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | ...I AM CANADIAN!...AND I AM PARANORMAL!!!...SOOOOOO ....DON'T MAKE ME SEND MY MINIONS OF DARKNESS TO YOUR DOOR ...FOR OUR NAME IS LEGION.....AND WE
ARE MANY! | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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I'll not forget that...... Frau Blücher! NEEEEIIIGHH!! LOL! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:15:02 PM) | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | THAT'S ABBY NORMAL TO YOU!...MR. ABBY NORMAL AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!!!... | | Head banger wrote: | | I was actualy calling soy abnormal, instead of paranormal. but yes you got the esence of the phrases there. | | _strat_ wrote: | | I think that "abnormal" simply refers to weird things. So, I guess that running around in your underwear, burbing to the tune of "metal gods" is abnormal, but coming from the afterlife to pay a visit to your friends and wondering why are they all freaking out, is paranormal. Then again, Freeze will probably know this better than I do. | | Head banger wrote: | | I thought it was abnormal, not paranormal? | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | ...I AM CANADIAN!...AND I AM PARANORMAL!!!...SOOOOOO ....DON'T MAKE ME SEND MY MINIONS OF DARKNESS TO YOUR DOOR ...FOR OUR NAME IS LEGION.....AND WE
ARE MANY! | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormal psychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
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[Deep Freeze] Friday, December 12, 2008 5:22:27 PM | |
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Hey!! Where did you find my college graduation pic???? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
Abbey Normal!..... aint I......got no booooody and a' nobody a' cares a' for meeeeee cha cha cha cha.... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:16:24 PM) | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I found him...... Here I even was able to capture it on film..........ROFL
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