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[MetalPixie] Monday, April 25, 2011 10:30:39 PM
Greetings all. Been eons since I've posted ... and the last time was due to the "farewell tour"announcement
(or possibly a request for Scottie pics!).
Just read through all the posts on this thread and it's amazing how "entitled" we all feel.
For as much as everyone says they appreciate the 40+ years of music he's given us -
many of us seem to have turned on him just because he made a decision we don't like or understand.
While it saddens me that KK has chosen to retire he doesn't "owe" us anymore than he's told us.
We have no idea what's gone on behind the scenes.
Heck - anyone who's even been in just a local cover band knows there can be a huge amount of turmoil among members - even if you are like family.
At least KK isn't bashing the guys individually or the band as a whole.
This band has ALWAYS presented a professional front ... unlike most of the train wreck bands in the industry.
And he's confirmed that his health is fine.
Would we really want him on the tour if his heart isn't in it? For us OR for him?
How many of us have initially agreed to do something and then had second thoughts ... for whatever reason?
What a bunch of fair weather fans we are ... KK won't be there, so screw the whole band? Makes no sense.
By the way - I don't disagree that this really should have been made public prior to tickets going on sale IF THEY NEW ABOUT IT and IF KK was ok with announcing it at that time. But it shouldn't make that big a difference. This is still a BUSINESS for the guys and their management team ... and we all know that not all business decisions are popular.
Perhaps KK agreed to tour until the band found a suitable replacement? Who knows.
Priest survived even when Rob left (...and here come the anti-Ripper folks' comments...). Priest will survive even without KK.
Priest is a BAND ... it is greater than the sum of its parts.
Before you jump to conclusions - hear what they release.
Seriously - if you're willing to turn your back on the band that has done so much for you over the years, stay home.
You'll leave better seats for those of us who truly appreciate and respect this band for what it's been, what it is, and who each person is who has EVER been a part of the band and for those of us who want to celebrate that.
Take this for what it's worth to you ... the music world is watching us cave in on ourselves. What an embarrassment to the band.
[Dave 444] Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:38:53 AM
Like I said a few days ago. KK just did not decide to retire. The band was fighting.
I support KK in what he decides to do. Just sucks. He started the band. KK is the band.
[Anders Haneskog] Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:55:26 AM
This is bad news for Priest and the fans. What can one say, things like this happen. I can really understand Ken for doing this. Sometimes one just can not go on anymore. I do not blame Ken for this at all. It is just sad that it has ended.
I hope Ken makes more music in another form in the future. Maybe he will not. Good luck, Ken!
[Udo Sapper] Sunday, April 24, 2011 1:00:44 AM
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: "They did owe us some sort of explanation and I feel we got one with KK's press release. I don't need to know all the sordid details, who said what and who did what. I love the fact that Priest keeps those things private. This isn't Metallica and we won't be seeing their counseling sessions on a video documentary, THANK GOD!!! At least this time around, they are being respectful to each other. This is no doubt hard on each and every member of the band. I hope once people have time to digest this news, they will give Faulkner a chance and go see the Priest on tour. We are a very spoiled group of fans, having the core line-up stay intact for almost 40 years, except for Rob's departure of course. Most bands can not stick it out together for even half that time before someone leaves and is replaced. I too would rather have 4 out of the 5 than no Priest at all. I will miss KK dearly, but I wish him all the best."
...and I couldn't agree more. Thanks.
Hails,
Udo
[Brian_Evans] Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:43:57 PM
Maybe the site designer doesn't know how to use photoshop ...lol [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Saturday, April 23, 2011 7:49:23 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
What I want to know is why KK is still on the site title page? They've had 6 months to incorperate Faulkner into the Epitaph artwork.
[Jeanine] Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:42:08 PM
They said KK would not be on the tour. He may still be on the album. I am sad/mad like the rest of you but KK has definately earned his right to do what he wants. We had a GREAT British Steel tour that made us all very happy. Revel it that. LOVE that man. I will try very hard to give Richie a chance to prove himself. The pressure is on!
[Budred] Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:36:40 PM
Some here say they owe us an explanation and others say they don't. Now that the reality
of it is settling in I don't even care. I'll judge them by what they give us on the album and tour.
If it's subpar hopefully they will hang it up. The only reason I've posted that sentiment a few times
now is I don't want to see them become a mockery of themselves. Before last summer the last 6
or so times I saw Ozzy I was feeling sad thinking he was just embarassing himself up there. I don't
want to see Priest like that. Back to the explanation thing. As much as I really don't care anymore
I think the people that want one do deserve it. Priest was around for 40 years. Why? Because of
us. They didn't (give) us anything, we (paid) them for it. Everything they have they have because of
us. Why not provide a thorough explanation. We're all adults here, what do they have to hide? It's
not like they have to fib to the kids to protect someone's feelings. Be straight up. We in turn need to be
adults also. Regardless of the decision it was his/theirs to make. Like it or not we must accept it.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:21:05 PM
They did owe us some sort of explanation and I feel we got one with KK's press release. I don't need to know all the sordid details, who said what and who did what. I love the fact that Priest keeps those things private. This isn't Metallica and we won't be seeing their counseling sessions on a video documentary, THANK GOD!!! At least this time around, they are being respectful to each other. This is no doubt hard on each and every member of the band. I hope once people have time to digest this news, they will give Faulkner a chance and go see the Priest on tour. We are a very spoiled group of fans, having the core line-up stay intact for almost 40 years, except for Rob's departure of course. Most bands can not stick it out together for even half that time before someone leaves and is replaced. I too would rather have 4 out of the 5 than no Priest at all. I will miss KK dearly, but I wish him all the best.
Well, first of all, this could go one of two ways: if the tour goes very well and the fan response is favourable, then JP may find it fruitful to continue pumping out stuff and touring for a few more years. Perhaps Richie Faulkner might put a fresh fire in the belly of the beast. I don't know anything about him, but maybe he's got some great musical ideas that can 'refresh' the old JP style, and more of what the fans are dying to hear. Or not. We can only wait and see. The other option is that fans will begrudge Faulkner straight off the bat because they can't imagine Priest (or Glenn) without KK and are reluctant to give him a chance, out of loyalty to KK. I think that the timing is shit, but we don't really know how long there was discord in the Priest camp. Maybe it's been a long time coming....I was pissed when I first heard about it, because this would have been my first and clearly last concert of JP, and to see them without the full line-up of talent was unthinkable. I'm kind of feeling like JP was a perfect marriage all these years, that everyone thought would last forever, then there's a sudden divorce announcement. But the bottom line is, people gotta be true to themselves and honest, and if KK and the boys were no longer enjoying a healthy, productive relationship, both musically and personally, then what can we do? It can't have been easy for them to arrive at this point and make such a difficult and painful decision. Quite honestly, after stewing for a couple of days, I don't think we can say 'they owe us any explanations'. JP has given us music we will love forever, great memories, and been a colossal part of all their fans' lives. I don't want any explanations. If this move offers the possibilty of a few more albums and a few more good concerts, even without KK, and it's ultimately what will work best for both parties, so that there is no animosity and they all can move forward in directions that work best for them so they get some satisfaction in their lives, then so be it. I guess I'd rather have part of Priest, than no Priest. I wish KK the best of luck in whatever he chooses to do, and salute him for all the years of amazing music. We would have liked it for a little while longer.
[metalgodess] Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:05:05 PM
Well, first of all, this could go one of two ways: if the tour goes very well and the fan response is favourable, then JP may find it fruitful to continue pumping out stuff and touring for a few more years. Perhaps Richie Faulkner might put a fresh fire in the belly of the beast. I don't know anything about him, but maybe he's got some great musical ideas that can 'refresh' the old JP style, and more of what the fans are dying to hear. Or not. We can only wait and see. The other option is that fans will begrudge Faulkner straight off the bat because they can't imagine Priest (or Glenn) without KK and are reluctant to give him a chance, out of loyalty to KK. I think that the timing is shit, but we don't really know how long there was discord in the Priest camp. Maybe it's been a long time coming....I was pissed when I first heard about it, because this would have been my first and clearly last concert of JP, and to see them without the full line-up of talent was unthinkable. I'm kind of feeling like JP was a perfect marriage all these years, that everyone thought would last forever, then there's a sudden divorce announcement. But the bottom line is, people gotta be true to themselves and honest, and if KK and the boys were no longer enjoying a healthy, productive relationship, both musically and personally, then what can we do? It can't have been easy for them to arrive at this point and make such a difficult and painful decision. Quite honestly, after stewing for a couple of days, I don't think we can say 'they owe us any explanations'. JP has given us music we will love forever, great memories, and been a colossal part of all their fans' lives. I don't want any explanations. If this move offers the possibilty of a few more albums and a few more good concerts, even without KK, and it's ultimately what will work best for both parties, so that there is no animosity and they all can move forward in directions that work best for them so they get some satisfaction in their lives, then so be it. I guess I'd rather have part of Priest, than no Priest. I wish KK the best of luck in whatever he chooses to do, and salute him for all the years of amazing music. We would have liked it for a little while longer.
[jimmyjames] Saturday, April 23, 2011 7:49:23 PM
What I want to know is why KK is still on the site title page? They've had 6 months to incorperate Faulkner into the Epitaph artwork.
[seventongueXXX] Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:49:37 PM
He needs to be more specific why he quit. They announced that they were doing a farewell tour and they started booking dates. That's why he should let the fans know why he wants to leave. Personally, I didn't expect a lot out of them when they reunited cause they were up in age - maybe one mediocre album. I was surprised that it's come to this because all these guys have really matured as people and seemed to be real comfortable with each other but on the other hand I was surprised that they could handle all of the touring and stress over the last few years. They have it tougher than the aging Rolling Stones because the songwriting is more complex, they're playing at super high volumes and they're playing metal which requires a little more energy than all of these other aging "rock" artists. Next: Nostradamus was one of the worst theme albums I've ever heard. (1) A theme album needs to be entertaining even moreso than a regular album (2) It needs to be dynamic. It's a big borefest - it's like a really bad storybook. Lastly, if any one member of the band quits at this stage it would just be right to call it over. I'd rather have that than see four members try to limp thru a farewell tour w/o an integral part of the band. KK and Glenn have their own styles and sound and no one else can reproduce or mimic what they do.
[joedraper] Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:05:46 AM
And that's all I got to say about that:
Sorry guys 'n girls... Everyone who knows me here should know this is just my way of handling the situation with my quirky sense of humor.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:26:22 AM
I don't know or have not met anybody in the band,however I do know somebody that does and The "main influence" to Nostradamus is K.K.Downing 100%,that I know for a bold faced fact. It wasn't Rob,Glenn or Ian,it was all K.K.'s creations,sure Rob and Glenn helped ect...after K.K.'s idea was set in stone as to what he wanted to do with it,I'm not saying Rob and Glenn hate the album,but I do know that the album's fruitation and obsession with the album was K.K.,not Rob Ian or Glenn. As to what had happened and why K.K. retired and as to why he has had a breakdown in relationship with the band I absolutely have no idea.
Ok, Fair enough.
The bit I'm not getting is who had the main influence over Nostrudamus?
You say it was KK, but are you sure?
I'm quite happy for KK to retire, but surely AFTER the bands farewell tour is the right time!!!
Then whatever the remaining guys in priest do after that is up to them. Make an album do some dates whatever, but we are talking from their press release a Farewell Tour.
Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:18:18 AM
[John Murphy32445] Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:15:41 AM
Ok, Fair enough.
The bit I'm not getting is who had the main influence over Nostrudamus?
You say it was KK, but are you sure?
I'm quite happy for KK to retire, but surely AFTER the bands farewell tour is the right time!!!
Then whatever the remaining guys in priest do after that is up to them. Make an album do some dates whatever, but we are talking from their press release a Farewell Tour.
Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:18:18 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:40:31 AM
Yes I actually do in a remote way,yes but I can not and will not explain how in this forum. I don't know the reason why everything has happened but I know "some things" to make "some" of my assumptions.
Just wondering JD Diamond . If you've got any insider info or any info at all to which you're making these assumptions?
Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:42:02 AM
[John Murphy32445] Saturday, April 23, 2011 5:42:32 AM
Just wondering JD Diamond . If you've got any insider info or any info at all to which you're making these assumptions?
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:36:16 AM
This isn't rocket science here,no we all don't know all the inside true information,but come on....either K.K. wanted to take Priest into Nostradamus territory again,or he didn't want another studio album,its that simple. We've seen and heard what an album is like without Rob...."The Ripper years". We've seen and heard an album that is K.K. based and controlled by him and Rob "Nostradamus" as Glenn hardly seemed enthusiastic about it at all. Now lets hear what Rob and Glenn will come up with. I'll bet money that an album with Rob and Glenn will smash Jugulator,Demolition and Nostradamus to pieces.
[Palmer Griffiths] Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39:21 PM
I don't mean any disrespect to your posting. I'm sad that KK has decided to call it quits but that's how it is. As for him being Cryptic I think him Rob ,Ian,Glen & Scott shouldn't have to divulge every sorted thing that they do. I think these people were more than band members,They were friends as well.Rob,Glen,Ian & KK knew each other for many years and just because they're world renowned and famous I don't think they have to be obligated to anyone to divulge everything they discuss or do behind the scenes.They're people like the rest of us and have a right to their privacy.They don't have to tell us every sorted detail about their lives. KK had his reasons to do what he did and I don't think it makes him any worse of a person for doing so.I think people are upset over his departure because the timing was bad because of the fourthcoming tour.Even if the other guys knew about I think they still have a right to their privacy.Again I'll miss KK and hope he'll come back one day because both he & Glen were such an influence on me to pick up a guitar..Good Luck on all your Future endeavors KK..
Downing: "There has been an ongoing breakdown in working relationship between myself, elements of the band, and the band's management for some time."
Why is he so cryptic? "Elements of the band". What exactly does that mean? Come out and tell everyone exactly why you refuse to go on and give Judas Priest a proud ending! There can't be a Farewell tour without KK Downing - NO guitarist is going to feel comfortable trying to hit Downing's licks/solos and it's not going to sound like Judas Priest.
And HALFORD knew all about this before Christmas!!! So he's been lying! Before and after Christmas he's been talking about this huge Farewell Tour and album and he knew all along that Downing had trouble with it all!
And Management is to fault, as well for not fixing this.
The whole thing stinks to high heaven.
[Brian_Evans] Friday, April 22, 2011 10:17:16 PM
No I'm not eating this up and hate to see him retire but thats just how it is. I respect your opinion though. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, April 22, 2011 7:56:34 PM)
Budred wrote:
I can't speak for anyone but myself. For me it's more than just KK that makes me think they should give it up.
Since they re-united over a decade ago we've got one "good" album out of them. They aren't getting any younger.
They already announced only one more tour and then the KK release. To me it's been a downhill slide and I think it
would be better for them to just give it up. They may do more, but I wonder about the quality of it. I'll support them
by buying the next album and going to the show. If it sucks I'll stop supporting them. I can't imagine them improving
at this stage of their career if the next album isn't up to par. "Not the end of the world". Easy to say for a Maiden fan
but true Priest fans may feel differently. I get the feeling your eating this up.
Brian_Evans wrote:
Jeez there's a lot of negative people in here. Just because one member of the band quits doesn't mean they have to call it a day. It's not the end of the world or anything ..lol. I hope the band moves forward and continues on which I think they will. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:06:21 PM
[Budred] Friday, April 22, 2011 7:56:34 PM
I can't speak for anyone but myself. For me it's more than just KK that makes me think they should give it up.
Since they re-united over a decade ago we've got one "good" album out of them. They aren't getting any younger.
They already announced only one more tour and then the KK release. To me it's been a downhill slide and I think it
would be better for them to just give it up. They may do more, but I wonder about the quality of it. I'll support them
by buying the next album and going to the show. If it sucks I'll stop supporting them. I can't imagine them improving
at this stage of their career if the next album isn't up to par. "Not the end of the world". Easy to say for a Maiden fan
but true Priest fans may feel differently. I get the feeling your eating this up. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Friday, April 22, 2011 1:04:56 PM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
Jeez there's a lot of negative people in here. Just because one member of the band quits doesn't mean they have to call it a day. It's not the end of the world or anything ..lol. I hope the band moves forward and continues on which I think they will. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:06:21 PM
[Head banger] Friday, April 22, 2011 5:36:36 PM
sure it beats nost, but its not hard to do that. its a good album, lyrics could be better. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, April 22, 2011 8:38:05 AM)
Budred wrote:
Demolition destroys Nostradamus.
I'm listening to "One on One" as I'm writing this. People always talk about wanting
"Metal". This album is "Metal"
If K.K. had the keys for Nostradamus and Glenn had them for Demolition then let Glenn
do the driving. At least this album is heavy. Do people hate Ripper so bad that they fail
to hear how heavy this album is? To me it's laughable.I like Ripper and I'm glad he
kept Priest going. He's no Rob and I'll never say he is but I don't think they could have
found "anyone" to "fill in" as well as he did. We should be grateful for him.
Rip away, it won't bother me. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:51:19 AM
[seventongueXXX] Friday, April 22, 2011 3:56:33 PM
Downing: "There has been an ongoing breakdown in working relationship between myself, elements of the band, and the band's management for some time."
Why is he so cryptic? "Elements of the band". What exactly does that mean? Come out and tell everyone exactly why you refuse to go on and give Judas Priest a proud ending! There can't be a Farewell tour without KK Downing - NO guitarist is going to feel comfortable trying to hit Downing's licks/solos and it's not going to sound like Judas Priest.
And HALFORD knew all about this before Christmas!!! So he's been lying! Before and after Christmas he's been talking about this huge Farewell Tour and album and he knew all along that Downing had trouble with it all!
Stop the pessimism!
When Priest lost Dave Holland they got Scott Travis and wrote one of their best album in years. When Rob left, JP got Ripper and did pretty well then....Rob returned. Countless of other big bands have changed prominat players only to put out new and better material so give Priest and this Faulkner guy a chance; who knows, KK might rejoin at a later time but if not, KK gave us 40 years of his all and we should wish him well and look forward to new, young guitar blood in the priest machine. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:45:33 PM
[Alli] Friday, April 22, 2011 2:05:35 PM
I for one I'm totally gobsmacked that KK has left the band. I'm still going to see em on tour but it won;t feel the same without KK. I've seen Priest live every tour with Bobby since 1981. I didn;t go until Bobby came back I couldn t imagine somebody else singing for Priest. No disrespect to this new guy but the same with him I'm dreading him standing in KK s place on stage. I hope KK comes back but I;ve got a feeling now he;s made his mind up that will be it. It won;t be the same without him I m just totally shocked.
[JayDee Jepsen] Friday, April 22, 2011 1:43:32 PM
Stop the pessimism!
When Priest lost Dave Holland they got Scott Travis and wrote one of their best album in years. When Rob left, JP got Ripper and did pretty well then....Rob returned. Countless of other big bands have changed prominat players only to put out new and better material so give Priest and this Faulkner guy a chance; who knows, KK might rejoin at a later time but if not, KK gave us 40 years of his all and we should wish him well and look forward to new, young guitar blood in the priest machine. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:45:33 PM
[Brian_Evans] Friday, April 22, 2011 1:04:56 PM
Jeez there's a lot of negative people in here. Just because one member of the band quits doesn't mean they have to call it a day. It's not the end of the world or anything ..lol. I hope the band moves forward and continues on which I think they will. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:06:21 PM
[Budred] Friday, April 22, 2011 12:49:03 PM
I can't agree entirely on your post but after the tour and album maybe they should call it a day.
My very first post on this subject pretty much said that. Knowing that they have been a part of my life
for over 30 years it hurts me to say it but in my heart that's what I believe. As much as I hate getting
older I am so thankful that I got to experience them in their prime as many times as I have. I read
about the younger people on here who love Priest and can only feel bad that they didn't get to
experience Priest back in the day. Man they were so freakin' awesome. My brother is a diehard Metallica
fan and always thought they were better than Priest. I bought him a ticket to Operation Rock and Roll.
Afterwards he was like "Dude, That was baddest concert I ever went to. These guys are the best live
band out there". I just smiled, I already knew that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, April 22, 2011 12:13:11 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I think Rob and Glenn should quit touring all together,cancel the Epitaph tour and just record one studio album without K.K. and put everything they can possibly muster into this record untill they are blue in the face and then when they have the metal masterpiece,just hang it up and call it a day.
Let the Masters Of Metal step down for good and lay the band to rest. I can't possibly see the band live without K.K. I haven't seen Priest live since the 1988 Ram It Down tour and unfortunately I never will see them again,ever. I should of went to the Retribution tour but missed it,but then again who cares.
I just want one more last album thats awsome even without K.K. and then put JP to rest and bury them respectfully. Saxon will fullfill my metal needs from here on out,and I have other extreme metal bands to fill my heavy cravings.
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:14:02 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 22, 2011 12:13:11 PM
I think Rob and Glenn should quit touring all together,cancel the Epitaph tour and just record one studio album without K.K. and put everything they can possibly muster into this record untill they are blue in the face and then when they have the metal masterpiece,just hang it up and call it a day.
Let the Masters Of Metal step down for good and lay the band to rest. I can't possibly see the band live without K.K. I haven't seen Priest live since the 1988 Ram It Down tour and unfortunately I never will see them again,ever. I should of went to the Retribution tour but missed it,but then again who cares.
I just want one more last album thats awsome even without K.K. and then put JP to rest and bury them respectfully. Saxon will fullfill my metal needs from here on out,and I have other extreme metal bands to fill my heavy cravings.
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 12:14:02 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, April 22, 2011 11:39:48 AM
I agree icecreamman, Demolition was definitely plagued by bad lyrics. I also didn't like the way that Ripper sang the songs. They definitely missed Rob's song writing ability and it showed. The music was great and I like Rippers voice, I just don't feel like the lyrics were very good and the way he sang them could have been dramatically improved. I certainly hope they bring Tom back and make it their heaviest album yet!!!
Bud, I've always been grateful to Ripper for keeping the band alive. It just wasn't Priest without Rob though. Ripper had talent for sure and filled in well for Rob singing the old songs. I just think he lacked in song writing ability.
Look man I love Nostradamus, but I am not going to say Demolition is bad either. Both are really great. If only Demolition wasn't plagued by bad lyrics. Nostradamus was great, but I don't want another album like it. I think it caught everyone off guard after AOR. I believe AOR would have been a masterpiece if it wasn't for Roy Z's bad production. It sounds like a Halford album at times.As for the next album, I say let Tom Allom produce it, and make it heavy as hell.
(I belive Jugulator is great too )
Budred wrote:
Demolition destroys Nostradamus.
I'm listening to "One on One" as I'm writing this. People always talk about wanting
"Metal". This album is "Metal"
If K.K. had the keys for Nostradamus and Glenn had them for Demolition then let Glenn
do the driving. At least this album is heavy. Do people hate Ripper so bad that they fail
to hear how heavy this album is? To me it's laughable.I like Ripper and I'm glad he
kept Priest going. He's no Rob and I'll never say he is but I don't think they could have
found "anyone" to "fill in" as well as he did. We should be grateful for him.
Rip away, it won't bother me. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:51:19 AM
[Budred] Friday, April 22, 2011 11:04:06 AM
I was reading Leather Devil's post and feeling angry already and was trying to vent. (The old me)
I believe I've changed but I started to notice a backslide in my last couple of posts. I don't think I
posted anything out of line, I was just noticing (inside) that I was getting those feelings again. Yes
I have anger issues but I think I'm starting to have the ability to control them somewhat.
Whether he likes me mentioning him by name or not Jimmy had alot to do with this. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by icecreamman from Friday, April 22, 2011 10:05:45 AM)
icecreamman wrote:
Look man I love Nostradamus, but I am not going to say Demolition is bad either. Both are really great. If only Demolition wasn't plagued by bad lyrics. Nostradamus was great, but I don't want another album like it. I think it caught everyone off guard after AOR. I believe AOR would have been a masterpiece if it wasn't for Roy Z's bad production. It sounds like a Halford album at times.As for the next album, I say let Tom Allom produce it, and make it heavy as hell.
(I belive Jugulator is great too )
Budred wrote:
Demolition destroys Nostradamus.
I'm listening to "One on One" as I'm writing this. People always talk about wanting
"Metal". This album is "Metal"
If K.K. had the keys for Nostradamus and Glenn had them for Demolition then let Glenn
do the driving. At least this album is heavy. Do people hate Ripper so bad that they fail
to hear how heavy this album is? To me it's laughable.I like Ripper and I'm glad he
kept Priest going. He's no Rob and I'll never say he is but I don't think they could have
found "anyone" to "fill in" as well as he did. We should be grateful for him.
Rip away, it won't bother me. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:51:19 AM
[icecreamman] Friday, April 22, 2011 10:05:45 AM
Look man I love Nostradamus, but I am not going to say Demolition is bad either. Both are really great. If only Demolition wasn't plagued by bad lyrics. Nostradamus was great, but I don't want another album like it. I think it caught everyone off guard after AOR. I believe AOR would have been a masterpiece if it wasn't for Roy Z's bad production. It sounds like a Halford album at times.As for the next album, I say let Tom Allom produce it, and make it heavy as hell.
Demolition destroys Nostradamus.
I'm listening to "One on One" as I'm writing this. People always talk about wanting
"Metal". This album is "Metal"
If K.K. had the keys for Nostradamus and Glenn had them for Demolition then let Glenn
do the driving. At least this album is heavy. Do people hate Ripper so bad that they fail
to hear how heavy this album is? To me it's laughable.I like Ripper and I'm glad he
kept Priest going. He's no Rob and I'll never say he is but I don't think they could have
found "anyone" to "fill in" as well as he did. We should be grateful for him.
Rip away, it won't bother me. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:51:19 AM
[Nupe The Ripper] Friday, April 22, 2011 9:23:38 AM
Props to KK for making an announcement. Although I'm still shocked about this, at least we now (roughly) know the reason and know that KK is OK with his health.
[Budred] Friday, April 22, 2011 9:15:13 AM
I think I need to chill.
My posts are tempered but all this K.K. news seems to be bringing the angry me back.
All I want to do is rip people right now. I gotta get this in check.
[Budred] Friday, April 22, 2011 8:38:05 AM
Demolition destroys Nostradamus.
I'm listening to "One on One" as I'm writing this. People always talk about wanting
"Metal". This album is "Metal"
If K.K. had the keys for Nostradamus and Glenn had them for Demolition then let Glenn
do the driving. At least this album is heavy. Do people hate Ripper so bad that they fail
to hear how heavy this album is? To me it's laughable.I like Ripper and I'm glad he
kept Priest going. He's no Rob and I'll never say he is but I don't think they could have
found "anyone" to "fill in" as well as he did. We should be grateful for him.
Rip away, it won't bother me. Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 8:51:19 AM
[Leather Devil] Friday, April 22, 2011 8:25:24 AM
Talking about sound, don't hope too much, if you don't want to be disappointed. Last time Glenn had the keys, remember what he did with. Yes remind you Demolition. If Nostradamus can easily be criticized, what could we say about this one ?
Second thing, till Judas Priest don't provides the means for an album, they won't do a good one anymore. AOR an Nostradamus ain't that bad, but ain't that good either. In my opinion, This stuff is just suffering of a lack of "soul". why ? because it's home studio made, a piece done in England, another in phoenix, but anything together. They would have need to share some time to work together, in a real studio, with some real technicians, engineers and producer. with more amps and microphones and less pro tools. Do you think it will change ? Well, i don't.
[Leather Devil] Friday, April 22, 2011 8:07:47 AM
Jimmy James, i could not say it that well, thanks. totally agree.
I think it is. The fact is the tour is due to begin very soon and the album is not due till 2012. They should get on with the tour with KK on board and he can step down afterwards before the next album is released, then they can tour that album with the new line up. If that's what they want to do. After nearly 40 years, doing a farewell world tour without your lead guitarist / principal songwriter / guy who started the band is inexcusable. Both parties should realise that what's important on a farewell tour is the audience. Surely they are old enough to deal with each other on a purely professional level. Everyone else has to work with people they don't like or agree with. It's not like they can't afford to get seperate hotel rooms.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I don't think its a "bunch" that can't get it together,I think its K.K. that couldn't get it together,either we were going to have no album or a Nostradamus type of an album....if thats true which I don't know if it is then I'd rather hear some new material from Rob and Glenn for one last album,what if the album is like Painkiller,or Defenders Of The Faith? Only time will tell,maybe it won't be as bad as we think.,but I do understand your point of view. LOL! I loved your earlier rant post Jimmy haha classic! lol!
jimmyjames wrote:
This situation is comical. If a bunch of 60 year olds can't get it together enough on a personal and professional level to record an album and do a tour they might as well all call it a day and give the people who bought tickets their money back ( as if that would happen ). How bad is the situation when the guy who started the band says "fuck it" and walks away? If Priest somehow make it down to NZ ( which won't happen either), I will not be attending the show.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 22, 2011 7:50:33 AM
The "sound" of the next Priest album MUST sound like "Priest" this is very critical. I think now that they have lost K.K. they MUST harken backk to the Painkiller album reguardless id Halford can hit the high notes or not,just his normal voice and the music on Painkiller would be good enough if the song quality is excellent and the songs themselves are excllent.....
Yah the sound itself must sound like Priest,there is no room for experimental anymore. I think Rob and Gleen can pull this off together man. Where is Hellrider!!!! Now we do need some in your face Judas Priest styled heavy metal because now nobody,not even K.K. is holding them back,the Priest will be unleashed once again if Rob and Glenn can pull this off!!!!
Man, everyone is entitled to their opinions and certainly you are too.
Me personally I hope it sounds nothing like Halford's latest.
Udo S. wrote:
I'm just glad he's ok after all the deaths in the metal scene lately.
I wish KK good luck and if he creates another "Nostradamus" I'll love it.
And I'm still looking forward to the Priest tour because I don't think KK's leaving will affect the show or the music much.
The new guitarist will have to fit in and play KK's parts - we'll just have to wait and see if he can but I bet he wouldn't be in the band if he couldn't!
We've still got the "original" 4 other members and in my opinion it won't be the same kind of desaster like when The Metal God left after Painkiller!
See you in Madrid and Colmar!
Hails from Germany,
Udo
EDIT: And I bet that the new album will be totally METAL as metal can be - just take a look at Halford IV!!! Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:12:01 AM
[Budred] Friday, April 22, 2011 7:18:56 AM
Man, everyone is entitled to their opinions and certainly you are too.
Me personally I hope it sounds nothing like Halford's latest. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Udo S. from Friday, April 22, 2011 3:09:40 AM)
Udo S. wrote:
I'm just glad he's ok after all the deaths in the metal scene lately.
I wish KK good luck and if he creates another "Nostradamus" I'll love it.
And I'm still looking forward to the Priest tour because I don't think KK's leaving will affect the show or the music much.
The new guitarist will have to fit in and play KK's parts - we'll just have to wait and see if he can but I bet he wouldn't be in the band if he couldn't!
We've still got the "original" 4 other members and in my opinion it won't be the same kind of desaster like when The Metal God left after Painkiller!
See you in Madrid and Colmar!
Hails from Germany,
Udo
EDIT: And I bet that the new album will be totally METAL as metal can be - just take a look at Halford IV!!! Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:12:01 AM
[Udo Sapper] Friday, April 22, 2011 3:09:40 AM
I'm just glad he's ok after all the deaths in the metal scene lately.
I wish KK good luck and if he creates another "Nostradamus" I'll love it.
And I'm still looking forward to the Priest tour because I don't think KK's leaving will affect the show or the music much.
The new guitarist will have to fit in and play KK's parts - we'll just have to wait and see if he can but I bet he wouldn't be in the band if he couldn't!
We've still got the "original" 4 other members and in my opinion it won't be the same kind of desaster like when The Metal God left after Painkiller!
See you in Madrid and Colmar!
Hails from Germany,
Udo
EDIT: And I bet that the new album will be totally METAL as metal can be - just take a look at Halford IV!!! Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 3:12:01 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 22, 2011 3:06:35 AM
Jimmy you may be right,I don't know the band and I'm just guessing here. Anything is possible when it comes to this lame news. Everybody has thier own opinion of what they want. Some want the band to hang it up and retire now,some don't. I want to hear one last real heavy metal album. And if K.K. is having issues with the direction of the band that leaves us to wonder what the next LP will sound like. If its total metal and heavy,this will lead to the belief that K.K. didn't want to make a heavy album,or possibly didn't want to make an album at all. We'll see though.
I think it is. The fact is the tour is due to begin very soon and the album is not due till 2012. They should get on with the tour with KK on board and he can step down afterwards before the next album is released, then they can tour that album with the new line up. If that's what they want to do. After nearly 40 years, doing a farewell world tour without your lead guitarist / principal songwriter / guy who started the band is inexcusable. Both parties should realise that what's important on a farewell tour is the audience. Surely they are old enough to deal with each other on a purely professional level. Everyone else has to work with people they don't like or agree with. It's not like they can't afford to get seperate hotel rooms.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I don't think its a "bunch" that can't get it together,I think its K.K. that couldn't get it together,either we were going to have no album or a Nostradamus type of an album....if thats true which I don't know if it is then I'd rather hear some new material from Rob and Glenn for one last album,what if the album is like Painkiller,or Defenders Of The Faith? Only time will tell,maybe it won't be as bad as we think.,but I do understand your point of view. LOL! I loved your earlier rant post Jimmy haha classic! lol!
jimmyjames wrote:
This situation is comical. If a bunch of 60 year olds can't get it together enough on a personal and professional level to record an album and do a tour they might as well all call it a day and give the people who bought tickets their money back ( as if that would happen ). How bad is the situation when the guy who started the band says "fuck it" and walks away? If Priest somehow make it down to NZ ( which won't happen either), I will not be attending the show.
I have to say straight off the bat, that as i got my first message and seing KK's name, i went cold. To read on and get the news, i was just relived to hear that , well u know , he is alive! I thought the worst, it was only a short time ago when i opened a message about Gary Moore, and well that didnt go down well i can tell you. I guess my message in all this is, lets not jump up and down about this. I mean yes its terrible, but i think, for me that is, after going through all the crap when Rob left, and Ripper joined , the fans , hmmmm well lets just say this. We all love our band, they have given us all since day 1. We dont need to know all the in and outs on this, cos its personal to the people we hold very close to our metal hearts. Let the people this relates to deal with it with our blessing, and hope that all can be happy with the outcome, then its up to us to except the news and show our selfs as the best and most loyal fans by supporting our band to the max!
I love Judas Priest , i love the music, and the people in it, and the people around it , to keep it going, lets all support them so it continues on, for as long as the guy's wish to do so!
If they tour Australia , ( PLEASE DO ) i will be there, just as i was when they came with Ripper, and again with Rob... Yes folks , in oz they have only played twice..... My point is get out there and support our band, and if your not happy with the changes , remember to respect the reasons for it and do not hang it on them.
I know and trust that all we need to hear on this will be given to us on this and Kens web site, i dont need to know anymore than that.
Ken, all the best to you mate, and what ever this is, lets hope it clears up, and you get to plesure us with your music, in what ever shape our form it comes to us in, as long as it comes, you are an icon that we are lucky to of known and seen...
Tyrant..
JUDAS FUCKING PRIEST
Never turn your back, on the Ripper! T.O Also Never turn your back on the Priest !
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:04:26 AM
[Tyrant] Friday, April 22, 2011 1:00:47 AM
OMG!
I have to say straight off the bat, that as i got my first message and seing KK's name, i went cold. To read on and get the news, i was just relived to hear that , well u know , he is alive! I thought the worst, it was only a short time ago when i opened a message about Gary Moore, and well that didnt go down well i can tell you. I guess my message in all this is, lets not jump up and down about this. I mean yes its terrible, but i think, for me that is, after going through all the crap when Rob left, and Ripper joined , the fans , hmmmm well lets just say this. We all love our band, they have given us all since day 1. We dont need to know all the in and outs on this, cos its personal to the people we hold very close to our metal hearts. Let the people this relates to deal with it with our blessing, and hope that all can be happy with the outcome, then its up to us to except the news and show our selfs as the best and most loyal fans by supporting our band to the max!
I love Judas Priest , i love the music, and the people in it, and the people around it , to keep it going, lets all support them so it continues on, for as long as the guy's wish to do so!
If they tour Australia , ( PLEASE DO ) i will be there, just as i was when they came with Ripper, and again with Rob... Yes folks , in oz they have only played twice..... My point is get out there and support our band, and if your not happy with the changes , remember to respect the reasons for it and do not hang it on them.
I know and trust that all we need to hear on this will be given to us on this and Kens web site, i dont need to know anymore than that.
Ken, all the best to you mate, and what ever this is, lets hope it clears up, and you get to plesure us with your music, in what ever shape our form it comes to us in, as long as it comes, you are an icon that we are lucky to of known and seen...
Tyrant..
JUDAS FUCKING PRIEST
Never turn your back, on the Ripper! T.O Also Never turn your back on the Priest !
Edited at: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:04:26 AM
[the highway terror] Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:52:15 PM
It's sad that K.K. is leaving
but if the guy's made it without Rob they can soldier on without K..K.
Now I'm wondering what the new CD will sound like without him
[guidogodoy] Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:13:12 PM
I mentioned that 6:40 mark to someone just a little bit ago.
Quite telling, IMO. Saw it back then and immediately made the connection with the flamenco style acoustic / riffs used in Nostra.
I posted this earlier then took it down. I know it's reaching and not the case but listen around the 6:40 mark.
This was 4 years ago. Maybe this is where he wanted to go with music. Again, I know it's reaching.
[icecreamman] Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:03:56 PM
Please dont bring up that sick bastard. Dave Holland digust me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:59:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
damn straight
Budred wrote:
As well he should be the fucking puke.
Head banger wrote:
I think Dave is still "otherwise occupied" and will be for a couple years
JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote:
I can't think of a worse announcement, next they'll be telling us that Scott has retired and they have rehired Dave Holland to play on the final tour.
I think Dave is still "otherwise occupied" and will be for a couple years
JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote:
I can't think of a worse announcement, next they'll be telling us that Scott has retired and they have rehired Dave Holland to play on the final tour.
[Budred] Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:50:53 PM
As well he should be the fucking puke. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:48:27 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I think Dave is still "otherwise occupied" and will be for a couple years
JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote:
I can't think of a worse announcement, next they'll be telling us that Scott has retired and they have rehired Dave Holland to play on the final tour.
[Budred] Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:49:46 PM
Listening to the solo at the end of that video damn near brought tears to my eyes.
They can't replace that.
[Head banger] Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:48:27 PM
I think Dave is still "otherwise occupied" and will be for a couple years [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Thursday, April 21, 2011 1:38:36 PM)
JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote:
I can't think of a worse announcement, next they'll be telling us that Scott has retired and they have rehired Dave Holland to play on the final tour.
[Budred] Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:44:00 PM
I posted this earlier then took it down. I know it's reaching and not the case but listen around the 6:40 mark.
This was 4 years ago. Maybe this is where he wanted to go with music. Again, I know it's reaching.
I like Ripper and I'm glad he
