[Jeanine] Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:29:39 PM
Brian, thanks for this pic, I LOVE it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Friday, October 29, 2010 11:09:16 PM)
Brian_Evans wrote:
[K2M] Wednesday, November 03, 2010 12:43:58 PM
That was a Gtreat Cover. I remember rockin that one often. Had to Learn it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:52:32 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Cross Eyed Mary cover from 1983...I remember this track from the Flight Of Icarus picture Disk back in 1983....excellent cover from Jethro Tull.
[Phantom A6] Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:34:20 AM
Whenever i read a discussion about maiden and priest it always seems that it becomes an either or discussion. I think Maiden rocks, i think they are extremely talented and have done some amazing work. But personally I prefer Priest. I enjoy that Priest tries different things. After all if they weren't a bit experimental they wouldn't have helped create a new genre of music! I think it speaks to the talent in the band that they can write songs that aren't all the same. I love the heaviest Priest stuff, Hellrider, Disident Agressor, Tyrant, etc. after all these songs helped create speed metal. But I always enjoyed the fact that unlike many metal bands (not MAiden of course) Halford can actually sing! And Tipton can play a melody! They can write a hook! It gives the music depth. I think Maiden has this ability also, which is why the "competition" between the fans seems odd to me. Both of these bands kick ass, they both have great range and have had incredible careers. And on top of it all...they are both still out on the road and making great music, why? Because they love what they do. Its why i at age 40 am still listening and I am very proud to listen to Priest...and Maiden.....it seems all the newer "musicians" want to be actors or athletes....anything but a musician, how many of todays "artists" will still be making music 30 years from now?
[scthree05] Saturday, October 30, 2010 1:03:55 AM
Whenever i read a discussion about maiden and priest it always seems that it becomes an either or discussion. I think Maiden rocks, i think they are extremely talented and have done some amazing work. But personally I prefer Priest. I enjoy that Priest tries different things. After all if they weren't a bit experimental they wouldn't have helped create a new genre of music! I think it speaks to the talent in the band that they can write songs that aren't all the same. I love the heaviest Priest stuff, Hellrider, Disident Agressor, Tyrant, etc. after all these songs helped create speed metal. But I always enjoyed the fact that unlike many metal bands (not MAiden of course) Halford can actually sing! And Tipton can play a melody! They can write a hook! It gives the music depth. I think Maiden has this ability also, which is why the "competition" between the fans seems odd to me. Both of these bands kick ass, they both have great range and have had incredible careers. And on top of it all...they are both still out on the road and making great music, why? Because they love what they do. Its why i at age 40 am still listening and I am very proud to listen to Priest...and Maiden.....it seems all the newer "musicians" want to be actors or athletes....anything but a musician, how many of todays "artists" will still be making music 30 years from now?
[Brian_Evans] Friday, October 29, 2010 11:31:30 PM
[Brian_Evans] Friday, October 29, 2010 11:28:37 PM
[Brian_Evans] Friday, October 29, 2010 11:21:37 PM
[Brian_Evans] Friday, October 29, 2010 11:09:16 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, October 23, 2010 1:52:32 PM
Cross Eyed Mary cover from 1983...I remember this track from the Flight Of Icarus picture Disk back in 1983....excellent cover from Jethro Tull.
[Becks] Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:47:59 PM
That's super cool you got someone else on to JP Metallo! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by metallo from Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:59:57 PM)
metallo wrote:
Ok, new Maiden's album is out, so everybody tis alking about it, but is not the same for a new Priests album. They are the best metal bands of ever, but why IM also if they make a 'burp' are immediately mentioned and why JP, also if they made Metal as we know it are not mentioned? Of course I'm thinking to Italy and just to make you well understand I would like to say you what happende three years ago.
In a small village near Rome, some guys organized a Metal fest with Italian Groups. I was here just because my parents are living there now. Me and my brother were talking with one of this guys about HM in general. We told him that JP are our preferite band and we don't like too much IM. He, of course, said the contrary, IM are the best metal band and JP are not very heavy, also if he didn't know them very well (!!!). My brother had in the car a copy of PAINKILLER and we made him to listen it.............................
Would you like to know what hapened after. Now he has all JP albums!!!! In Italy media push only IM and some other bands to say that Metal Kids are strange people. And is terrible to hear Metal maniacs (???) to say they don't know JP, is like to say I like making sex having never made it.
Frankly speaking I don't care too much. I love JP nd that's enough for me, but more consideration maybe would mean more concerts in Italy ?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
Edited at: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:01:58 PM
[metallo] Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:59:57 PM
Ok, new Maiden's album is out, so everybody tis alking about it, but is not the same for a new Priests album. They are the best metal bands of ever, but why IM also if they make a 'burp' are immediately mentioned and why JP, also if they made Metal as we know it are not mentioned? Of course I'm thinking to Italy and just to make you well understand I would like to say you what happende three years ago.
In a small village near Rome, some guys organized a Metal fest with Italian Groups. I was here just because my parents are living there now. Me and my brother were talking with one of this guys about HM in general. We told him that JP are our preferite band and we don't like too much IM. He, of course, said the contrary, IM are the best metal band and JP are not very heavy, also if he didn't know them very well (!!!). My brother had in the car a copy of PAINKILLER and we made him to listen it.............................
Would you like to know what hapened after. Now he has all JP albums!!!! In Italy media push only IM and some other bands to say that Metal Kids are strange people. And is terrible to hear Metal maniacs (???) to say they don't know JP, is like to say I like making sex having never made it.
Frankly speaking I don't care too much. I love JP nd that's enough for me, but more consideration maybe would mean more concerts in Italy ? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:33:29 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
Edited at: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:01:58 PM
[Brian_Evans] Monday, October 11, 2010 6:45:39 PM
Now this is a signature sound. Iron Maiden - The Trooper
Edited at: Monday, October 11, 2010 6:46:56 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Monday, October 11, 2010 2:21:17 PM
Sorry JJ, I misunderstood what you were saying. Those casual fans only know 3 songs anyway, the ones played on the radio and they probably wouldn't recognize any band if they didn't already know the song. I've heard so many people say "I love such and such band!" and then a new song from that band comes on and they don't even recognize that it's the band that they "love" and even I know who it is and I'm not even a fan..... pretty sad in my opinion. Now Maiden isn't really played on the radio around here, so if you're a Maiden fan, you'll recognize anything as being Maiden because you have some of their albums and truly are a fan. Sometimes I think the fact that Priest is played on the radio is a double edged sword. Sure it brings in new fans.... but are they fans of Priest or just fans of radio Priest, liking whatever is popular at the time? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, October 11, 2010 12:45:46 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
It was a question, not a statement. Based on the fact that HB thought that casual fans might not recognize some of their stuff at all.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
jimmyjames wrote: So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound.
That is the funniest thing I've ever heard!Are you KIDDING ME? Priest doesn't have a signature sound???? What are you talking about? You don't think Glenn and KK have a "signature sound"? They are the only two guitarists on this planet that play in harmony the way they do. Many bands have tried to copy Glenn and KK and fail. Instantly I know that it's Glenn and KK. Even my 8 year old knows Rob's voice because NO ONE on this planet sounds like or will ever sound like Rob. Both my sons instantly recognize a Priest song as being Priest, even songs they have never heard before because of Rob, KK and Glenn. So Rob's voice and Glenn and KK aren't enough but somehow Maiden has a "signature sound"? LMFAO!
jimmyjames wrote:
So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound.
Head banger wrote:
perhaps the die hard is not what we should be thinking of, but the average fan. when you hear maiden, you know its maiden. priest is so musicaly diverse that the casual fan might hear an album and have no idea its priest.
jimmyjames wrote:
Some of it's not as good but Maiden have never completely abandoned their style in an attempt to make money ( Point Of Entry, Turbo ) or to try and gain some kind of credibility ( Nostradamus ). If you look at Priests successful albums they are all pretty much straight ahead metal. However Priest have sabotaged their own momentum in some cases. To go from Stained Class, HBFL, Unleashed and BS to Point Of Entry is like shooting yourself in the foot. Grinder to You Say Yes, Steeler to Don't Go, thats going to halt your momentum. It's basically a band saying we've got the Metal audience, now lets try and grab the mainstream audience. After that failed experiment they went back to what they are good at, metal. SFV and DOTF got their momentum back but then they released Turbo, which was really successful but again alienated all their old fans. Back to the drawing board. Finally Painkiller, their master piece and Rob Halford leaves the band because he wants to do what Pantera are doing because they are making the money. The band stutter along for a decade before Halford comes back after what you would call a relatively unsuccessful period as a "solo" artist and Priest release AOR, a solid metal album. Everyone is happy and then they unleash Nostradamus and completely wreck it again. "We're about getting out of our comfort zone and stretching the boundaries blah blah blah" is the excuse. But really the bottom line is they are exceptional yet inconsistant and they have really no-one else to blame for the fact that they are not up there with Maiden. You have to give Maiden one thing, their consistancy is their strength,they don't try to be something they're not. Even when Blaze Bailey was in the band they still put out albums you could immediately identify as Maiden. Look at this website for example, You've got two of the worlds biggest Priest fans, Hellrider and JD, and Hellriders going "I hope they are finally going to unleash a metal monster" and JDs going "I'll believe it when I see it, if I see it, I've been let down too many times before" Same reason goes for the success of AC/DC, consistancy. Funny thing is it doesn't explain Metallica, they've been the most inconsistant of all but are bigger than they've ever been. They are always out there playing though and always put on a great show. (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:56:14 AM)
Becks wrote:
Maiden has put out their fair share of shit as well though, pretty much everything since Powerslave has been, as a whole, meh.
jimmyjames wrote:
I think maybe the fact that Maiden give their fans what they want whilst Priest always fuck around with crap like Point Of Entry, Turbo, The whole Ripper era and Nostradamus might have something to do with the fact that they are not in that top echelon of earners. So rather than poor marketing I would say it's a tendency to put out shit that has hampered them.
ron h wrote:
I think their Marketing has always been key to their success, in the same fashion that poor Marketing can drag a band down (ie Priest)
Head banger wrote:
maybe. they are definatly well marketed.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I really think what the final ingridiant is that makes Iron Maiden as popular as they are in today's scene,is "Eddie". The artwork says a lot and is very attractive,Eddie is not why they are as popular but with him it just works together. I really do not like the latest Eddie on the Final Frontier album,I know they wanted to change him up a bit but I think Harris let the artist go too far this time.
I really would like to see the next LP with the old Eddie back,even if they don't write another Piece Of Mind type of an album,it still would be cool to see the old school Eddie. I really dig the album cover on A Matter Of Life And Death.
Head banger wrote:
your probably right, but just touring doesnt explain it, nor do the albums. if those make sense, explain kiss
jimmyjames wrote:
Along with Metallica and AC/DC, Maiden are the biggest band in hardrock / heavy metal. Priest is more of a cult band than Maiden. Final Frontier sold 800 000 copies in it's first week of release. Some might say that it's just bandwagon jumpers buying the album but I doubt it. People just like Maiden. The reason they are so popular is because they get out there and play for their fans rather than just playing the US. Maiden have toured all sorts of crazy places in recent years like India, South America and even NZ. I read an interview with them recently and one of the things that keeps them going is playing in countries they haven't been to before. Some complain that the albums aren't as good these days which is probably true but as a band they are at a point where they can experiment and do what they want and at least they are bringing out new stuff as often as they can between the true world tours that they do.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
*sniff sniff* That is NOT Eddie! That is an imposter! It ate the real Eddie up!
I always thought a "cult following" is associated with tiny groups of people are huge fans of a movie, band, etc. If Iron Maiden has a "cult following", then it sure is a huge one.
Jeanine wrote:
Hey Vail, you know I love ya, but that Alien thing in which you speak is Eddie . Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
Edited at: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:01:58 PM
Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:17:49 PM Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:20:08 PM
[jimmyjames] Monday, October 11, 2010 12:45:46 PM
It was a question, not a statement. Based on the fact that HB thought that casual fans might not recognize some of their stuff at all. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:57:40 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
jimmyjames wrote: So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound.
That is the funniest thing I've ever heard!Are you KIDDING ME? Priest doesn't have a signature sound???? What are you talking about? You don't think Glenn and KK have a "signature sound"? They are the only two guitarists on this planet that play in harmony the way they do. Many bands have tried to copy Glenn and KK and fail. Instantly I know that it's Glenn and KK. Even my 8 year old knows Rob's voice because NO ONE on this planet sounds like or will ever sound like Rob. Both my sons instantly recognize a Priest song as being Priest, even songs they have never heard before because of Rob, KK and Glenn. So Rob's voice and Glenn and KK aren't enough but somehow Maiden has a "signature sound"? LMFAO!
jimmyjames wrote:
So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound.
Head banger wrote:
perhaps the die hard is not what we should be thinking of, but the average fan. when you hear maiden, you know its maiden. priest is so musicaly diverse that the casual fan might hear an album and have no idea its priest.
jimmyjames wrote:
Some of it's not as good but Maiden have never completely abandoned their style in an attempt to make money ( Point Of Entry, Turbo ) or to try and gain some kind of credibility ( Nostradamus ). If you look at Priests successful albums they are all pretty much straight ahead metal. However Priest have sabotaged their own momentum in some cases. To go from Stained Class, HBFL, Unleashed and BS to Point Of Entry is like shooting yourself in the foot. Grinder to You Say Yes, Steeler to Don't Go, thats going to halt your momentum. It's basically a band saying we've got the Metal audience, now lets try and grab the mainstream audience. After that failed experiment they went back to what they are good at, metal. SFV and DOTF got their momentum back but then they released Turbo, which was really successful but again alienated all their old fans. Back to the drawing board. Finally Painkiller, their master piece and Rob Halford leaves the band because he wants to do what Pantera are doing because they are making the money. The band stutter along for a decade before Halford comes back after what you would call a relatively unsuccessful period as a "solo" artist and Priest release AOR, a solid metal album. Everyone is happy and then they unleash Nostradamus and completely wreck it again. "We're about getting out of our comfort zone and stretching the boundaries blah blah blah" is the excuse. But really the bottom line is they are exceptional yet inconsistant and they have really no-one else to blame for the fact that they are not up there with Maiden. You have to give Maiden one thing, their consistancy is their strength,they don't try to be something they're not. Even when Blaze Bailey was in the band they still put out albums you could immediately identify as Maiden. Look at this website for example, You've got two of the worlds biggest Priest fans, Hellrider and JD, and Hellriders going "I hope they are finally going to unleash a metal monster" and JDs going "I'll believe it when I see it, if I see it, I've been let down too many times before" Same reason goes for the success of AC/DC, consistancy. Funny thing is it doesn't explain Metallica, they've been the most inconsistant of all but are bigger than they've ever been. They are always out there playing though and always put on a great show. (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:56:14 AM)
Becks wrote:
Maiden has put out their fair share of shit as well though, pretty much everything since Powerslave has been, as a whole, meh.
jimmyjames wrote:
I think maybe the fact that Maiden give their fans what they want whilst Priest always fuck around with crap like Point Of Entry, Turbo, The whole Ripper era and Nostradamus might have something to do with the fact that they are not in that top echelon of earners. So rather than poor marketing I would say it's a tendency to put out shit that has hampered them.
ron h wrote:
I think their Marketing has always been key to their success, in the same fashion that poor Marketing can drag a band down (ie Priest)
Head banger wrote:
maybe. they are definatly well marketed.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I really think what the final ingridiant is that makes Iron Maiden as popular as they are in today's scene,is "Eddie". The artwork says a lot and is very attractive,Eddie is not why they are as popular but with him it just works together. I really do not like the latest Eddie on the Final Frontier album,I know they wanted to change him up a bit but I think Harris let the artist go too far this time.
I really would like to see the next LP with the old Eddie back,even if they don't write another Piece Of Mind type of an album,it still would be cool to see the old school Eddie. I really dig the album cover on A Matter Of Life And Death.
Head banger wrote:
your probably right, but just touring doesnt explain it, nor do the albums. if those make sense, explain kiss
jimmyjames wrote:
Along with Metallica and AC/DC, Maiden are the biggest band in hardrock / heavy metal. Priest is more of a cult band than Maiden. Final Frontier sold 800 000 copies in it's first week of release. Some might say that it's just bandwagon jumpers buying the album but I doubt it. People just like Maiden. The reason they are so popular is because they get out there and play for their fans rather than just playing the US. Maiden have toured all sorts of crazy places in recent years like India, South America and even NZ. I read an interview with them recently and one of the things that keeps them going is playing in countries they haven't been to before. Some complain that the albums aren't as good these days which is probably true but as a band they are at a point where they can experiment and do what they want and at least they are bringing out new stuff as often as they can between the true world tours that they do.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
*sniff sniff* That is NOT Eddie! That is an imposter! It ate the real Eddie up!
I always thought a "cult following" is associated with tiny groups of people are huge fans of a movie, band, etc. If Iron Maiden has a "cult following", then it sure is a huge one.
Jeanine wrote:
Hey Vail, you know I love ya, but that Alien thing in which you speak is Eddie . Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
Edited at: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:01:58 PM
Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:17:49 PM Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:20:08 PM
[guidogodoy] Saturday, October 09, 2010 8:05:26 PM
Beat me to the punch, HRMG.
Not only can you tell that it is KK and Glenn irrespective of the song, one can even tell WHO is playing. Don't think that Glenn sounds like Glenn when he did his solo albums?! Halford doesn't sound like Halford? Uhhhh...what? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:57:40 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
jimmyjames wrote: So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound.
That is the funniest thing I've ever heard!Are you KIDDING ME? Priest doesn't have a signature sound???? What are you talking about? You don't think Glenn and KK have a "signature sound"? They are the only two guitarists on this planet that play in harmony the way they do. Many bands have tried to copy Glenn and KK and fail. Instantly I know that it's Glenn and KK. Even my 8 year old knows Rob's voice because NO ONE on this planet sounds like or will ever sound like Rob. Both my sons instantly recognize a Priest song as being Priest, even songs they have never heard before because of Rob, KK and Glenn. So Rob's voice and Glenn and KK aren't enough but somehow Maiden has a "signature sound"? LMFAO!
jimmyjames wrote:
So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound.
Head banger wrote:
perhaps the die hard is not what we should be thinking of, but the average fan. when you hear maiden, you know its maiden. priest is so musicaly diverse that the casual fan might hear an album and have no idea its priest.
jimmyjames wrote:
Some of it's not as good but Maiden have never completely abandoned their style in an attempt to make money ( Point Of Entry, Turbo ) or to try and gain some kind of credibility ( Nostradamus ). If you look at Priests successful albums they are all pretty much straight ahead metal. However Priest have sabotaged their own momentum in some cases. To go from Stained Class, HBFL, Unleashed and BS to Point Of Entry is like shooting yourself in the foot. Grinder to You Say Yes, Steeler to Don't Go, thats going to halt your momentum. It's basically a band saying we've got the Metal audience, now lets try and grab the mainstream audience. After that failed experiment they went back to what they are good at, metal. SFV and DOTF got their momentum back but then they released Turbo, which was really successful but again alienated all their old fans. Back to the drawing board. Finally Painkiller, their master piece and Rob Halford leaves the band because he wants to do what Pantera are doing because they are making the money. The band stutter along for a decade before Halford comes back after what you would call a relatively unsuccessful period as a "solo" artist and Priest release AOR, a solid metal album. Everyone is happy and then they unleash Nostradamus and completely wreck it again. "We're about getting out of our comfort zone and stretching the boundaries blah blah blah" is the excuse. But really the bottom line is they are exceptional yet inconsistant and they have really no-one else to blame for the fact that they are not up there with Maiden. You have to give Maiden one thing, their consistancy is their strength,they don't try to be something they're not. Even when Blaze Bailey was in the band they still put out albums you could immediately identify as Maiden. Look at this website for example, You've got two of the worlds biggest Priest fans, Hellrider and JD, and Hellriders going "I hope they are finally going to unleash a metal monster" and JDs going "I'll believe it when I see it, if I see it, I've been let down too many times before" Same reason goes for the success of AC/DC, consistancy. Funny thing is it doesn't explain Metallica, they've been the most inconsistant of all but are bigger than they've ever been. They are always out there playing though and always put on a great show. (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:56:14 AM)
Becks wrote:
Maiden has put out their fair share of shit as well though, pretty much everything since Powerslave has been, as a whole, meh.
jimmyjames wrote:
I think maybe the fact that Maiden give their fans what they want whilst Priest always fuck around with crap like Point Of Entry, Turbo, The whole Ripper era and Nostradamus might have something to do with the fact that they are not in that top echelon of earners. So rather than poor marketing I would say it's a tendency to put out shit that has hampered them.
ron h wrote:
I think their Marketing has always been key to their success, in the same fashion that poor Marketing can drag a band down (ie Priest)
Head banger wrote:
maybe. they are definatly well marketed.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I really think what the final ingridiant is that makes Iron Maiden as popular as they are in today's scene,is "Eddie". The artwork says a lot and is very attractive,Eddie is not why they are as popular but with him it just works together. I really do not like the latest Eddie on the Final Frontier album,I know they wanted to change him up a bit but I think Harris let the artist go too far this time.
I really would like to see the next LP with the old Eddie back,even if they don't write another Piece Of Mind type of an album,it still would be cool to see the old school Eddie. I really dig the album cover on A Matter Of Life And Death.
Head banger wrote:
your probably right, but just touring doesnt explain it, nor do the albums. if those make sense, explain kiss
jimmyjames wrote:
Along with Metallica and AC/DC, Maiden are the biggest band in hardrock / heavy metal. Priest is more of a cult band than Maiden. Final Frontier sold 800 000 copies in it's first week of release. Some might say that it's just bandwagon jumpers buying the album but I doubt it. People just like Maiden. The reason they are so popular is because they get out there and play for their fans rather than just playing the US. Maiden have toured all sorts of crazy places in recent years like India, South America and even NZ. I read an interview with them recently and one of the things that keeps them going is playing in countries they haven't been to before. Some complain that the albums aren't as good these days which is probably true but as a band they are at a point where they can experiment and do what they want and at least they are bringing out new stuff as often as they can between the true world tours that they do.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
*sniff sniff* That is NOT Eddie! That is an imposter! It ate the real Eddie up!
I always thought a "cult following" is associated with tiny groups of people are huge fans of a movie, band, etc. If Iron Maiden has a "cult following", then it sure is a huge one.
Jeanine wrote:
Hey Vail, you know I love ya, but that Alien thing in which you speak is Eddie . Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
Edited at: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:01:58 PM
Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:17:49 PM Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:20:08 PM
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, October 09, 2010 7:57:40 PM
jimmyjames wrote: So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound.
That is the funniest thing I've ever heard!Are you KIDDING ME? Priest doesn't have a signature sound???? What are you talking about? You don't think Glenn and KK have a "signature sound"? They are the only two guitarists on this planet that play in harmony the way they do. Many bands have tried to copy Glenn and KK and fail. Instantly I know that it's Glenn and KK. Even my 8 year old knows Rob's voice because NO ONE on this planet sounds like or will ever sound like Rob. Both my sons instantly recognize a Priest song as being Priest, even songs they have never heard before because of Rob, KK and Glenn. So Rob's voice and Glenn and KK aren't enough but somehow Maiden has a "signature sound"? LMFAO!
So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound.
Head banger wrote:
perhaps the die hard is not what we should be thinking of, but the average fan. when you hear maiden, you know its maiden. priest is so musicaly diverse that the casual fan might hear an album and have no idea its priest.
jimmyjames wrote:
Some of it's not as good but Maiden have never completely abandoned their style in an attempt to make money ( Point Of Entry, Turbo ) or to try and gain some kind of credibility ( Nostradamus ). If you look at Priests successful albums they are all pretty much straight ahead metal. However Priest have sabotaged their own momentum in some cases. To go from Stained Class, HBFL, Unleashed and BS to Point Of Entry is like shooting yourself in the foot. Grinder to You Say Yes, Steeler to Don't Go, thats going to halt your momentum. It's basically a band saying we've got the Metal audience, now lets try and grab the mainstream audience. After that failed experiment they went back to what they are good at, metal. SFV and DOTF got their momentum back but then they released Turbo, which was really successful but again alienated all their old fans. Back to the drawing board. Finally Painkiller, their master piece and Rob Halford leaves the band because he wants to do what Pantera are doing because they are making the money. The band stutter along for a decade before Halford comes back after what you would call a relatively unsuccessful period as a "solo" artist and Priest release AOR, a solid metal album. Everyone is happy and then they unleash Nostradamus and completely wreck it again. "We're about getting out of our comfort zone and stretching the boundaries blah blah blah" is the excuse. But really the bottom line is they are exceptional yet inconsistant and they have really no-one else to blame for the fact that they are not up there with Maiden. You have to give Maiden one thing, their consistancy is their strength,they don't try to be something they're not. Even when Blaze Bailey was in the band they still put out albums you could immediately identify as Maiden. Look at this website for example, You've got two of the worlds biggest Priest fans, Hellrider and JD, and Hellriders going "I hope they are finally going to unleash a metal monster" and JDs going "I'll believe it when I see it, if I see it, I've been let down too many times before" Same reason goes for the success of AC/DC, consistancy. Funny thing is it doesn't explain Metallica, they've been the most inconsistant of all but are bigger than they've ever been. They are always out there playing though and always put on a great show. (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:56:14 AM)
Becks wrote:
Maiden has put out their fair share of shit as well though, pretty much everything since Powerslave has been, as a whole, meh.
jimmyjames wrote:
I think maybe the fact that Maiden give their fans what they want whilst Priest always fuck around with crap like Point Of Entry, Turbo, The whole Ripper era and Nostradamus might have something to do with the fact that they are not in that top echelon of earners. So rather than poor marketing I would say it's a tendency to put out shit that has hampered them.
ron h wrote:
I think their Marketing has always been key to their success, in the same fashion that poor Marketing can drag a band down (ie Priest)
Head banger wrote:
maybe. they are definatly well marketed.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I really think what the final ingridiant is that makes Iron Maiden as popular as they are in today's scene,is "Eddie". The artwork says a lot and is very attractive,Eddie is not why they are as popular but with him it just works together. I really do not like the latest Eddie on the Final Frontier album,I know they wanted to change him up a bit but I think Harris let the artist go too far this time.
I really would like to see the next LP with the old Eddie back,even if they don't write another Piece Of Mind type of an album,it still would be cool to see the old school Eddie. I really dig the album cover on A Matter Of Life And Death.
Head banger wrote:
your probably right, but just touring doesnt explain it, nor do the albums. if those make sense, explain kiss
jimmyjames wrote:
Along with Metallica and AC/DC, Maiden are the biggest band in hardrock / heavy metal. Priest is more of a cult band than Maiden. Final Frontier sold 800 000 copies in it's first week of release. Some might say that it's just bandwagon jumpers buying the album but I doubt it. People just like Maiden. The reason they are so popular is because they get out there and play for their fans rather than just playing the US. Maiden have toured all sorts of crazy places in recent years like India, South America and even NZ. I read an interview with them recently and one of the things that keeps them going is playing in countries they haven't been to before. Some complain that the albums aren't as good these days which is probably true but as a band they are at a point where they can experiment and do what they want and at least they are bringing out new stuff as often as they can between the true world tours that they do.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
*sniff sniff* That is NOT Eddie! That is an imposter! It ate the real Eddie up!
I always thought a "cult following" is associated with tiny groups of people are huge fans of a movie, band, etc. If Iron Maiden has a "cult following", then it sure is a huge one.
Jeanine wrote:
Hey Vail, you know I love ya, but that Alien thing in which you speak is Eddie . Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
Edited at: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:01:58 PM
Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:17:49 PM Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:20:08 PM
[jimmyjames] Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:42:59 PM
So what does that tell you? That they don't have a signature sound? You've got to have a signature sound. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:14:57 PM)
Head banger wrote:
perhaps the die hard is not what we should be thinking of, but the average fan. when you hear maiden, you know its maiden. priest is so musicaly diverse that the casual fan might hear an album and have no idea its priest.
jimmyjames wrote:
Some of it's not as good but Maiden have never completely abandoned their style in an attempt to make money ( Point Of Entry, Turbo ) or to try and gain some kind of credibility ( Nostradamus ). If you look at Priests successful albums they are all pretty much straight ahead metal. However Priest have sabotaged their own momentum in some cases. To go from Stained Class, HBFL, Unleashed and BS to Point Of Entry is like shooting yourself in the foot. Grinder to You Say Yes, Steeler to Don't Go, thats going to halt your momentum. It's basically a band saying we've got the Metal audience, now lets try and grab the mainstream audience. After that failed experiment they went back to what they are good at, metal. SFV and DOTF got their momentum back but then they released Turbo, which was really successful but again alienated all their old fans. Back to the drawing board. Finally Painkiller, their master piece and Rob Halford leaves the band because he wants to do what Pantera are doing because they are making the money. The band stutter along for a decade before Halford comes back after what you would call a relatively unsuccessful period as a "solo" artist and Priest release AOR, a solid metal album. Everyone is happy and then they unleash Nostradamus and completely wreck it again. "We're about getting out of our comfort zone and stretching the boundaries blah blah blah" is the excuse. But really the bottom line is they are exceptional yet inconsistant and they have really no-one else to blame for the fact that they are not up there with Maiden. You have to give Maiden one thing, their consistancy is their strength,they don't try to be something they're not. Even when Blaze Bailey was in the band they still put out albums you could immediately identify as Maiden. Look at this website for example, You've got two of the worlds biggest Priest fans, Hellrider and JD, and Hellriders going "I hope they are finally going to unleash a metal monster" and JDs going "I'll believe it when I see it, if I see it, I've been let down too many times before" Same reason goes for the success of AC/DC, consistancy. Funny thing is it doesn't explain Metallica, they've been the most inconsistant of all but are bigger than they've ever been. They are always out there playing though and always put on a great show. (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:56:14 AM)
Becks wrote:
Maiden has put out their fair share of shit as well though, pretty much everything since Powerslave has been, as a whole, meh.
jimmyjames wrote:
I think maybe the fact that Maiden give their fans what they want whilst Priest always fuck around with crap like Point Of Entry, Turbo, The whole Ripper era and Nostradamus might have something to do with the fact that they are not in that top echelon of earners. So rather than poor marketing I would say it's a tendency to put out shit that has hampered them.
ron h wrote:
I think their Marketing has always been key to their success, in the same fashion that poor Marketing can drag a band down (ie Priest)
Head banger wrote:
maybe. they are definatly well marketed.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I really think what the final ingridiant is that makes Iron Maiden as popular as they are in today's scene,is "Eddie". The artwork says a lot and is very attractive,Eddie is not why they are as popular but with him it just works together. I really do not like the latest Eddie on the Final Frontier album,I know they wanted to change him up a bit but I think Harris let the artist go too far this time.
I really would like to see the next LP with the old Eddie back,even if they don't write another Piece Of Mind type of an album,it still would be cool to see the old school Eddie. I really dig the album cover on A Matter Of Life And Death.
Head banger wrote:
your probably right, but just touring doesnt explain it, nor do the albums. if those make sense, explain kiss
jimmyjames wrote:
Along with Metallica and AC/DC, Maiden are the biggest band in hardrock / heavy metal. Priest is more of a cult band than Maiden. Final Frontier sold 800 000 copies in it's first week of release. Some might say that it's just bandwagon jumpers buying the album but I doubt it. People just like Maiden. The reason they are so popular is because they get out there and play for their fans rather than just playing the US. Maiden have toured all sorts of crazy places in recent years like India, South America and even NZ. I read an interview with them recently and one of the things that keeps them going is playing in countries they haven't been to before. Some complain that the albums aren't as good these days which is probably true but as a band they are at a point where they can experiment and do what they want and at least they are bringing out new stuff as often as they can between the true world tours that they do.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
*sniff sniff* That is NOT Eddie! That is an imposter! It ate the real Eddie up!
I always thought a "cult following" is associated with tiny groups of people are huge fans of a movie, band, etc. If Iron Maiden has a "cult following", then it sure is a huge one.
Jeanine wrote:
Hey Vail, you know I love ya, but that Alien thing in which you speak is Eddie . Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
Edited at: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:01:58 PM
Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:17:49 PM Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:20:08 PM
[Head banger] Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:14:57 PM
perhaps the die hard is not what we should be thinking of, but the average fan. when you hear maiden, you know its maiden. priest is so musicaly diverse that the casual fan might hear an album and have no idea its priest. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:14:04 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Some of it's not as good but Maiden have never completely abandoned their style in an attempt to make money ( Point Of Entry, Turbo ) or to try and gain some kind of credibility ( Nostradamus ). If you look at Priests successful albums they are all pretty much straight ahead metal. However Priest have sabotaged their own momentum in some cases. To go from Stained Class, HBFL, Unleashed and BS to Point Of Entry is like shooting yourself in the foot. Grinder to You Say Yes, Steeler to Don't Go, thats going to halt your momentum. It's basically a band saying we've got the Metal audience, now lets try and grab the mainstream audience. After that failed experiment they went back to what they are good at, metal. SFV and DOTF got their momentum back but then they released Turbo, which was really successful but again alienated all their old fans. Back to the drawing board. Finally Painkiller, their master piece and Rob Halford leaves the band because he wants to do what Pantera are doing because they are making the money. The band stutter along for a decade before Halford comes back after what you would call a relatively unsuccessful period as a "solo" artist and Priest release AOR, a solid metal album. Everyone is happy and then they unleash Nostradamus and completely wreck it again. "We're about getting out of our comfort zone and stretching the boundaries blah blah blah" is the excuse. But really the bottom line is they are exceptional yet inconsistant and they have really no-one else to blame for the fact that they are not up there with Maiden. You have to give Maiden one thing, their consistancy is their strength,they don't try to be something they're not. Even when Blaze Bailey was in the band they still put out albums you could immediately identify as Maiden. Look at this website for example, You've got two of the worlds biggest Priest fans, Hellrider and JD, and Hellriders going "I hope they are finally going to unleash a metal monster" and JDs going "I'll believe it when I see it, if I see it, I've been let down too many times before" Same reason goes for the success of AC/DC, consistancy. Funny thing is it doesn't explain Metallica, they've been the most inconsistant of all but are bigger than they've ever been. They are always out there playing though and always put on a great show. (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:56:14 AM)
Becks wrote:
Maiden has put out their fair share of shit as well though, pretty much everything since Powerslave has been, as a whole, meh.
jimmyjames wrote:
I think maybe the fact that Maiden give their fans what they want whilst Priest always fuck around with crap like Point Of Entry, Turbo, The whole Ripper era and Nostradamus might have something to do with the fact that they are not in that top echelon of earners. So rather than poor marketing I would say it's a tendency to put out shit that has hampered them.
ron h wrote:
I think their Marketing has always been key to their success, in the same fashion that poor Marketing can drag a band down (ie Priest)
Head banger wrote:
maybe. they are definatly well marketed.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I really think what the final ingridiant is that makes Iron Maiden as popular as they are in today's scene,is "Eddie". The artwork says a lot and is very attractive,Eddie is not why they are as popular but with him it just works together. I really do not like the latest Eddie on the Final Frontier album,I know they wanted to change him up a bit but I think Harris let the artist go too far this time.
I really would like to see the next LP with the old Eddie back,even if they don't write another Piece Of Mind type of an album,it still would be cool to see the old school Eddie. I really dig the album cover on A Matter Of Life And Death.
Head banger wrote:
your probably right, but just touring doesnt explain it, nor do the albums. if those make sense, explain kiss
jimmyjames wrote:
Along with Metallica and AC/DC, Maiden are the biggest band in hardrock / heavy metal. Priest is more of a cult band than Maiden. Final Frontier sold 800 000 copies in it's first week of release. Some might say that it's just bandwagon jumpers buying the album but I doubt it. People just like Maiden. The reason they are so popular is because they get out there and play for their fans rather than just playing the US. Maiden have toured all sorts of crazy places in recent years like India, South America and even NZ. I read an interview with them recently and one of the things that keeps them going is playing in countries they haven't been to before. Some complain that the albums aren't as good these days which is probably true but as a band they are at a point where they can experiment and do what they want and at least they are bringing out new stuff as often as they can between the true world tours that they do.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
*sniff sniff* That is NOT Eddie! That is an imposter! It ate the real Eddie up!
I always thought a "cult following" is associated with tiny groups of people are huge fans of a movie, band, etc. If Iron Maiden has a "cult following", then it sure is a huge one.
Jeanine wrote:
Hey Vail, you know I love ya, but that Alien thing in which you speak is Eddie . Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
Edited at: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:01:58 PM
Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:17:49 PM Edited at: Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:20:08 PM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, October 09, 2010 6:06:50 PM
I agree jimmy,and I read your post under this one too. Hellrider is an optimist and I am a pessimist because I've been let down too many times. I remember getting the Point Of Entry LP in 1981 when I was 11 because I saw the Heading Out To The Highway video on MTV and remember being frustrated because of the lack of quality of song writting,so I bought British Steel and that held me over till the Screaming For Vengeance album,Defenders album and then the Turbo album really pissed me off "BIG TIME".
And then in 88' I bought Ram It Down and again like Point Of Entry I was let down because again there was only half an albums worth of good songs and the other half was crap including the Johnny B.Goode cover which is absolutely horrible which also pissed me off because they just had to throw that on the album (they did the Video well before the Ram It Down album was released).
And of course they gave us Painkiller which is obviously in the top 3 Judas Priest albums of all time,then Rob left as you said. They put out Jugulator which isn't that great I know but at least it was a normal type of a metal album,then it takes them 4 fuckin years later to make the shitty "Demolition" album,crappy songs especially the Metal Messiah bullshit-rap dance beats that are in it,the album totally sucked and again was a let down.
They make Angel Of Retribution and just like you said they fuck themselves with Nostradamus,it just blows my mind,and to top it off after Nostradamus we couldn't even get a little "metal" from "Halford" because of the 'Winter Songs" bullshit,and now the Made Of Metal album is a extremely "G" rated watered down walt disney album. No Maiden haven't been great either,but even thier albums after Powerslave are better than Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus. Its hard to keep the "faith" when the last piece of real "metal" we've got from both Priest and Halford was march 2005 with the AOR release,in 5 months from now it will be 6 years since AOR. Where is the "metal"?????
Some of it's not as good but Maiden have never completely abandoned their style in an attempt to make money ( Point Of Entry, Turbo ) or to try and gain some kind of credibility ( Nostradamus ). If you look at Priests successful albums they are all pretty much straight ahead metal. However Priest have sabotaged their own momentum in some cases. To go from Stained Class, HBFL, Unleashed and BS to Point Of Entry is like shooting yourself in the foot. Grinder to You Say Yes, Steeler to Don't Go, thats going to halt your momentum. It's basically a band saying we've got the Metal audience, now lets try and grab the mainstream audience. After that failed experiment they went back to what they are good at, metal. SFV and DOTF got their momentum back but then they released Turbo, which was really successful but again alienated all their old fans. Back to the drawing board. Finally Painkiller, their master piece and Rob Halford leaves the band because he wants to do what Pantera are doing because they are making the money. The band stutter along for a decade before Halford comes back after what you would call a relatively unsuccessful period as a "solo" artist and Priest release AOR, a solid metal album. Everyone is happy and then they unleash Nostradamus and completely wreck it again. "We're about getting out of our comfort zone and stretching the boundaries blah blah blah" is the excuse. But really the bottom line is they are exceptional yet inconsistant and they have really no-one else to blame for the fact that they are not up there with Maiden. You have to give Maiden one thing, their consistancy is their strength,they don't try to be something they're not. Even when Blaze Bailey was in the band they still put out albums you could immediately identify as Maiden. Look at this website for example, You've got two of the worlds biggest Priest fans, Hellrider and JD, and Hellriders going "I hope they are finally going to unleash a metal monster" and JDs going "I'll believe it when I see it, if I see it, I've been let down too many times before" Same reason goes for the success of AC/DC, consistancy. Funny thing is it doesn't explain Metallica, they've been the most inconsistant of all but are bigger than they've ever been. They are always out there playing though and always put on a great show. (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:56:14 AM)
Becks wrote:
Maiden has put out their fair share of shit as well though, pretty much everything since Powerslave has been, as a whole, meh.
jimmyjames wrote:
I think maybe the fact that Maiden give their fans what they want whilst Priest always fuck around with crap like Point Of Entry, Turbo, The whole Ripper era and Nostradamus might have something to do with the fact that they are not in that top echelon of earners. So rather than poor marketing I would say it's a tendency to put out shit that has hampered them.
ron h wrote:
I think their Marketing has always been key to their success, in the same fashion that poor Marketing can drag a band down (ie Priest)
Head banger wrote:
maybe. they are definatly well marketed.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I really think what the final ingridiant is that makes Iron Maiden as popular as they are in today's scene,is "Eddie". The artwork says a lot and is very attractive,Eddie is not why they are as popular but with him it just works together. I really do not like the latest Eddie on the Final Frontier album,I know they wanted to change him up a bit but I think Harris let the artist go too far this time.
I really would like to see the next LP with the old Eddie back,even if they don't write another Piece Of Mind type of an album,it still would be cool to see the old school Eddie. I really dig the album cover on A Matter Of Life And Death.
Head banger wrote:
your probably right, but just touring doesnt explain it, nor do the albums. if those make sense, explain kiss
jimmyjames wrote:
Along with Metallica and AC/DC, Maiden are the biggest band in hardrock / heavy metal. Priest is more of a cult band than Maiden. Final Frontier sold 800 000 copies in it's first week of release. Some might say that it's just bandwagon jumpers buying the album but I doubt it. People just like Maiden. The reason they are so popular is because they get out there and play for their fans rather than just playing the US. Maiden have toured all sorts of crazy places in recent years like India, South America and even NZ. I read an interview with them recently and one of the things that keeps them going is playing in countries they haven't been to before. Some complain that the albums aren't as good these days which is probably true but as a band they are at a point where they can experiment and do what they want and at least they are bringing out new stuff as often as they can between the true world tours that they do.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
*sniff sniff* That is NOT Eddie! That is an imposter! It ate the real Eddie up!
I always thought a "cult following" is associated with tiny groups of people are huge fans of a movie, band, etc. If Iron Maiden has a "cult following", then it sure is a huge one.
Jeanine wrote:
Hey Vail, you know I love ya, but that Alien thing in which you speak is Eddie . Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
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[jimmyjames] Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:46:37 PM
Yeah, I know that and I like songs on Point of Entry and Turbo as well and Fights first album and the first couple of Halford albums. I too find some of Maidens albums as boring as batshit. But I think it best explains their success. Priest are just as good, if not better ,musically and everyone knows that Rob is the best singer in metal with a much more diverse voice than Bruce, but some of the decisions they've made are unbelivable. I don't think Maiden really care what die hard Priest fans think of their music, they are more interested in catering to die hard Maiden fans, which is fair enough I think. But I know where you're coming from. I'm sure even some hard out Maiden fans are getting a bit bored with it. As a fan of both bands I am. In fairness though, I think The Final Frontier is not to bad, drags on a bit but there's some ok stuff on there. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, October 09, 2010 3:35:54 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Fine argument but you have far more of the "world's greatest Priest fans" such as myself saying that we like Priest and even the majority of Halford's solo material. While I do take issue with some of Priest's / Halford's decisions, as a whole I appreciate how they are willing to go out on a limb musically.
Exactly the reason why most "diehard Priest fans" ultimately gave up on Maiden ... the exact point you mention: predictable to the point of annoyance and tedium.
jimmyjames wrote:
Some of it's not as good but Maiden have never completely abandoned their style in an attempt to make money ( Point Of Entry, Turbo ) or to try and gain some kind of credibility ( Nostradamus ). If you look at Priests successful albums they are all pretty much straight ahead metal. However Priest have sabotaged their own momentum in some cases. To go from Stained Class, HBFL, Unleashed and BS to Point Of Entry is like shooting yourself in the foot. Grinder to You Say Yes, Steeler to Don't Go, thats going to halt your momentum. It's basically a band saying we've got the Metal audience, now lets try and grab the mainstream audience. After that failed experiment they went back to what they are good at, metal. SFV and DOTF got their momentum back but then they released Turbo, which was really successful but again alienated all their old fans. Back to the drawing board. Finally Painkiller, their master piece and Rob Halford leaves the band because he wants to do what Pantera are doing because they are making the money. The band stutter along for a decade before Halford comes back after what you would call a relatively unsuccessful period as a "solo" artist and Priest release AOR, a solid metal album. Everyone is happy and then they unleash Nostradamus and completely wreck it again. "We're about getting out of our comfort zone and stretching the boundaries blah blah blah" is the excuse. But really the bottom line is they are exceptional yet inconsistant and they have really no-one else to blame for the fact that they are not up there with Maiden. You have to give Maiden one thing, their consistancy is their strength,they don't try to be something they're not. Even when Blaze Bailey was in the band they still put out albums you could immediately identify as Maiden. Look at this website for example, You've got two of the worlds biggest Priest fans, Hellrider and JD, and Hellriders going "I hope they are finally going to unleash a metal monster" and JDs going "I'll believe it when I see it, if I see it, I've been let down too many times before" Same reason goes for the success of AC/DC, consistancy. Funny thing is it doesn't explain Metallica, they've been the most inconsistant of all but are bigger than they've ever been. They are always out there playing though and always put on a great show. (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:56:14 AM)
Becks wrote:
Maiden has put out their fair share of shit as well though, pretty much everything since Powerslave has been, as a whole, meh.
jimmyjames wrote:
I think maybe the fact that Maiden give their fans what they want whilst Priest always fuck around with crap like Point Of Entry, Turbo, The whole Ripper era and Nostradamus might have something to do with the fact that they are not in that top echelon of earners. So rather than poor marketing I would say it's a tendency to put out shit that has hampered them.
ron h wrote:
I think their Marketing has always been key to their success, in the same fashion that poor Marketing can drag a band down (ie Priest)
Head banger wrote:
maybe. they are definatly well marketed.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I really think what the final ingridiant is that makes Iron Maiden as popular as they are in today's scene,is "Eddie". The artwork says a lot and is very attractive,Eddie is not why they are as popular but with him it just works together. I really do not like the latest Eddie on the Final Frontier album,I know they wanted to change him up a bit but I think Harris let the artist go too far this time.
I really would like to see the next LP with the old Eddie back,even if they don't write another Piece Of Mind type of an album,it still would be cool to see the old school Eddie. I really dig the album cover on A Matter Of Life And Death.
Head banger wrote:
your probably right, but just touring doesnt explain it, nor do the albums. if those make sense, explain kiss
jimmyjames wrote:
Along with Metallica and AC/DC, Maiden are the biggest band in hardrock / heavy metal. Priest is more of a cult band than Maiden. Final Frontier sold 800 000 copies in it's first week of release. Some might say that it's just bandwagon jumpers buying the album but I doubt it. People just like Maiden. The reason they are so popular is because they get out there and play for their fans rather than just playing the US. Maiden have toured all sorts of crazy places in recent years like India, South America and even NZ. I read an interview with them recently and one of the things that keeps them going is playing in countries they haven't been to before. Some complain that the albums aren't as good these days which is probably true but as a band they are at a point where they can experiment and do what they want and at least they are bringing out new stuff as often as they can between the true world tours that they do.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
*sniff sniff* That is NOT Eddie! That is an imposter! It ate the real Eddie up!
I always thought a "cult following" is associated with tiny groups of people are huge fans of a movie, band, etc. If Iron Maiden has a "cult following", then it sure is a huge one.
Jeanine wrote:
Hey Vail, you know I love ya, but that Alien thing in which you speak is Eddie . Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It was that bad when I was in Berlin in August. The day the album was released I walked into a bookstore to look for a map of the city. Then I stumbled upon all the magazines that you mentioned: Metal Hammer, Metal Shock, Rock Hard... all with Iron Maiden and that alien thing on the cover. A little too much, like you said. AND there was an Iron Maiden poster up on one of the display windows. I bought and listened to the album the next day and did not like it at all. Then later that month there were IM posters up all over one corner of a street near my apartment, so seeing that alien thing up everyday while walking to the U-Bahn was irritating.
metallo wrote:
Maybe you're right, it's too much, but I can assure you that to hear many people talking about Heavy Metal and talking only about Iron Miden (itìs not a mistake), to go to the newspaper kiosk and see Metal Hammer with Iron Maiden in the cover, then Metal Shock with Iron Maiden in the cover, the Hard & Heavy (or something like this) with Iron MAiden poster, and all in the same period is too much. Yes maybe it's for the new album but it happens also in other occasions. When I saw on TV to present all Iron MAiden CD to be sold on newspaepr kiosks, was the maximum. Now if you go on ?Beyon the realms of priest' on the topics relevant best live album, there is a page dedicated to Rock in Rio !!! It's too much. KILL 'EM ALL !!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Lady Gaga??? Now thats a low blow. Shame on you. ha!
metallo wrote:
So this is just to demonstrate that they are Pop metal band. Pure shit. They don't need it. They could be part of the music history without all of this stupid merchandising. next tour with Lady Gaga as supporting band ?
paorcamp wrote:
HA!...that happens everywhere...here in Costa Rica nobody mentioned maiden before they first came on 2008, only real metalheads knew who Iron Maiden was, and after that concert you would find people wearing black maiden shirts, all kind of idiot would wear one, and if you ask what they listen to they would answer metal...which bands?? maiden...-any other??? eh...no...so!?!?!?! even those who wear big chains and caps and craps like 50 cents' stuff would wear an Iron maiden shirt...thats offensive and of course shows how common it is to find any sort of item even in a "newspaper kiosk" as you mention...now nobody who dares to consider himself a metalhead pays attention to maiden around here...I don't blame them...I don't blame you... (Quoting Message by metallo from Monday, September 20, 2010 12:58:31 PM)
metallo wrote:
You're right, I don't want to say that bruce is a bad singer, not at all, I just want to say that I don't like his way of singing also knowing he is a great singer and Iron Maiden is a great Metal group, in general, but is something stronger than me, I never went to see a concert of them, and the last album I bought was killers. I really don't like 'the number of the beast'. Maybe something good in Powerslave. It's only my opinion, but I grew up, here in Italy, where you can see 100 metal kids, and 95 have maidens t-shirt, three have Metallica, and two carcass, then me with Judas Priest. Here in Italy if some one talk about HM, only one group is mentioned: Iron Maiden. People which usually do not listen metal, knows Maidens. If you go to a newspaper kiosk you can buy all Maiden's discography. STOP !!!! Maybe it's not for them, but for the other. All of them made me hate Iron Maiden.
Too Pop fo me
Brian_Evans wrote:
Seems kind of weird that you don't like Maiden after Bruce joined. I just don't see them where their at now with Paul Di'Anno. It's hard to imagine Paul singing songs from Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave, ect. Bruce can sing the Paul Di'Anno era but I can't see Paul singing much from The Bruce Dickinson era.
metallo wrote:
It's really quite boring this discussion about JP and IM. I'm 100% for priest, I don't like IM, sice Bruce Dickinson joined the band, or better, sice Paul Di Anno 'has' left the band, but at last they sold millions of albums world wide, every concert if full of fans, maybe somthing good came also from them, also if I have great difficulty to find it, but we have to give to everybody the chance to grow up. Starting from the music of Iron Maiden it should be good for reach perfection with Judas Priest!!!! Only few elected people had the chance to start immediately with Judas priest, just because we have already reached perfection, someone esle has to walk and walk and walk, so let them listen IM, it is the first step and evry wlaking start from the first step.
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Are you KIDDING ME? Priest doesn't have a signature sound???? What are you talking about? You don't think Glenn and KK have a "signature sound"? They are the only two guitarists on this planet that play in harmony the way they do. Many bands have tried to copy Glenn and KK and fail. Instantly I know that it's Glenn and KK. Even my 8 year old knows Rob's voice because NO ONE on this planet sounds like or will ever sound like Rob. Both my sons instantly recognize a Priest song as being Priest, even songs they have never heard before because of Rob, KK and Glenn. So Rob's voice and Glenn and KK aren't enough but somehow Maiden has a "signature sound"? LMFAO!
. Being one who loves both bands I will say this, it is my firm belief that Iron Maiden has a cult following much like Deadheads (Grateful Dead) or even the Dave Matthews Band.
