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[spapad] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:56:03 PM 
Your post is offensive. Giving hate speech an outlet anywhere in this world should not be tolorated. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:37:27 AM)
[Head banger] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:54:52 PM 
now of course it wont work, but it would be a great idea.  should requre all to have a licence to procreate also

Ron, your exactly right.  we need to find the good in all and eliminate the bad in all. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:43:56 PM)
[ron h] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:44:39 PM 

I couldn't disagree with your post more.  You can talk about specific incidents that cover all races and religions for both the good and the bad all day long and the bottom line is that there's good and bad in all.  How we deal with it is what makes the difference.


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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:43:56 PM 
Best idea I've heard so far.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:39:34 PM)
[Head banger] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:39:34 PM 
here's an idea for you all.  I know it wont work, and cant be done, but what about requiring only mixed race children.  soon everyone would be the same, and the birthrate would drop, saving the planet from overpopulation.
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:20:52 PM 
Then don't just sit there!! Go out there and increase the population of white people in the US!! I read an article not too long ago saying that you guys are going to be the minority group in fifty years, with latinos being the new majority. In other words, you're going to see more people like me on the streets of L.A.
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[Becks] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:14:48 PM 
I don't think that's a very fair statement. It doesn't matter about the colour of someones skin - all it takes is for a despot to say the right things and they then have people eating out of their hands, so to speak. Look at Romania. Ceaucescu was white, and he well and truely fucked that country. It's been 21 years since the fall of the iron curtain and Romania has still not recovered. It may never recover from how much he screwed them over.
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[Head banger] Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:58:58 AM 
I dont know if generalizations like that work, but I do know that our liberals have got the wrong idea on solving the problem.  Here in the last election the main idea that the New Democratic Party had for crime reduction was to reduce the gap in incomes between rich and poor.  seriously, how is taking money from bill gates and giving it to a bunch of slackers going to help? 
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[Craig Wagenhoffer] Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:37:27 AM 
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[Necroticist] Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:13:47 AM 
LOL - i think Nick was a bit before ur time...we make a decent comedy act...
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[joedraper] Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:51:06 AM 
lol Ok I"ll nip out to the shops and stock up
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[joedraper] Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:42:12 AM 

Well Becks, that's the thing. Everyday I read in the papers about farm murders. The black people here are pretty much obliterating the farmers. The farm murders are 9 times out of 10 men getting shot after watching their wives and daughters raped or elderly people getting brutally  murdered just because they are white and living on a farm. I found a page on facebook for the 'save or farmers' campaign. Against my better judgement I looked at some of the photos on the page and I still can't get the images out of my mind. An old man, bludgeoned to death. A women with her breasts burnt off, a baby burnt etc.. And then the blacks in the townships have this thing called necklacing.. ever heard of that?
If one of their own goes against them for whatever reason they put a tire around the victims neck and set them alight. Stand their whilst one of their own burns to death. 

Population is around 49 million and white people make up barely 10% of the population. If (and I'm starting to believe in my heart that it willl) things go south.. we're pretty screwed.

I had so much hope when the first ever democratic elections took place. I was 15 and seeing it was amazing.. I have to wonder if Mandela still has his faculties at 92 years old.. Does he look at what is happening here and think to himself.. 'This is not how I envisioned it to be?'

50 murders a day? I'd say closer to 100 due to the farm attacks.


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[Necroticist] Sunday, April 11, 2010 4:40:30 AM 
Soz Joe - was miles away - will join ya in the room soon...am bringing an old friend back...lol. 'The Terrible Two' will be back in action...be prepared... (i find that incontinence knickers help ;)  )
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[Becks] Sunday, April 11, 2010 1:04:14 AM 
Ok I just read some stats on South Africa in an article for one of NZs newspapers, about Terreblanches murder and violence which may occur because of it in SA etc. Not saying this for any reason other than I was amazed and saddened by these stats (SAs population is about 49 million):
"The South African Police say there are 60 murders a day in the country. The Department of Home Affairs puts the figure at 83. Interpol believes the murder total in the Republic is 149 a day. That means, depending on whom you believe, that South Africa has as few as 21,000 murders a year or as many as 55,000 a year."
"Other stats. Between April 2005 and March 2006 there were in South Africa 18,500 murders, 20,500 attempted murders and 55,000 rapes. There were a quarter of a million assaults with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. Ten per cent of South Africans live with HIV/Aids - over five million people. Average life expectancy in South Africa is 50 years. Unemployment is some 25 per cent - a figure that is roughly unchanged since 1998, and that kind of rate, as we know here, is a recipe for violent disaster."
[Becks] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:45:34 AM 
Joe, like JJ said, you'd be more than welcome here. And yep, at the end of the day, it's just racism, not freedom. Any type of prejudice is extremely dangerous.
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[guidogodoy] Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:31:18 AM 
Wow...and people say DETROIT is dangerous. I see no comparison.

Even Brazil or México (certain parts now like Ciudad Juárez) are incredibly dangerous but it is usually petty crime or drug hits.

Sending good thoughts your way, Joe. Stay safe and do keep us posted.
[joedraper] Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:58:01 PM 
JJ..I think you've hit it straight on. I have some family living in NZ and I doubt we would be lucky enough to see 20 years before it all goes south here. Since this ET murder, all extremists are waging wars. What I don't understand is that most of our soccar/football fans here are black. Murdering a high profile white supremist here just before the soccar world cup is like shooting one self in the foot is it nott? I just don't get it. What we are having in SA right now is not freedom it is racism reversed.
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[Becks] Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:28:16 PM 
There are many many Zimbabweans here in NZ, they fled once the killing of farmers started several years ago. I think they were given asylum as refugees.
I really hope everything works out there Joe, but it looks like a slippery slope unfortunately. I'm so sorry you feel like your home is unsafe for you now - that's not a position anyone should EVER be put in.
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[joedraper] Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:25:06 PM 
It is so sad because this is really a beautiful place to live but the politics make it so unsafe. My children sing the national anthem with pride..(bear in mind their ages) and they call this place home. I saw a site that was called Save Our Farmers and the things I saw there are probably why I can't sleep. I so badly want this to work out but I don't see how. Juli-ass Malema (As his much despised white journalists call him) Thinks Zim is doing just fine. If this is the case... Why do we have so many Zimbabweans seeking refuge here?

Regretfully, I may have to move my family to the UK or Australia.

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