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[Deep Freeze] Sunday, April 24, 2011 2:12:55 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! GREAT pic, guids!! If you look closely, THAT pic of me is AWFUL ( as are so many of them). That was about 30 lbs ago!! Seriously! This "rock star" crap has been rather demanding on my girth.... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wish we had a few shots from the the DTE CENTER!!!! BWAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:26:33 PM)
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:17:39 PM
I sure do remember!!! GREAT times..... great times! Even now, I always enjoy watching the drunks stumble down the hill, looking backwards as if someone pushed them or something! HAAAHAHAHA!
Had we lawn seats, I would have KICKED him down the hill at PINE KNOB!
Speaking of which, remember when they didn't have the bar dividing the lawn from pavillion? Back then, when you went down on the hill, you went DOWN!
[guidogodoy] Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:09:15 PM
"Man purse"
Had we lawn seats, I would have KICKED him down the hill at PINE KNOB!
Speaking of which, remember when they didn't have the bar dividing the lawn from pavillion? Back then, when you went down on the hill, you went DOWN!
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:32:10 PM
It will always be PINE KNOB damn it!!! I only wish you could have seen all the drunk people sliding down the muddy hill! I really hope you know that I was just teasing you - I just couldn't resist it. I never actually saw you with it, just heard the stories. I will miss you being there with us. We had a great time together in Detroit and I will never ever forget it! But, as you said, you will be there in spirit and we will have a toast in your honor as well as a toast to the greatest metal band of all time!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! That's HILARIOUS, Pam!! Yes, I will always remember the "man purse"! The GREAT, GREAT times we had in Detroit (at the DTE CENTER) HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!! It was awesome! I do not hold any "ill will" towards the band. I am far too old for that. I am saddened. But I know that we all will move on and some of you will continue to carry the Metal torch for the guys! I sincerely hope you have a wonderful time together! I am always with you in "spirit"! Even here! Take care, all!!!!
[Deep Freeze] Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:40:19 PM
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! That's HILARIOUS, Pam!! Yes, I will always remember the "man purse"! The GREAT, GREAT times we had in Detroit (at the DTE CENTER) HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!! It was awesome! I do not hold any "ill will" towards the band. I am far too old for that. I am saddened. But I know that we all will move on and some of you will continue to carry the Metal torch for the guys! I sincerely hope you have a wonderful time together! I am always with you in "spirit"! Even here! Take care, all!!!!
[Vaillant 3.0] Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:34:14 PM
Yawning while playing in front of a large audience?? How unprofessional!
Seriously, I will never get that image out of my mind. He rarely looked into the audience, just down at his feet or over to the side, inbetween yawns that is. And I refuse to go see them headline ever again! I know that no one in Priest would ever do that, no matter how bad things were.
Head banger wrote:
better a new guy than a guy yawning thats for sure
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
All I can think of is when we went to see Queensryche play a couple years ago and Eddie Jackson the bass player was standing in the back, bored out of his mind and YAWNING MANY times on stage! His heart was not in that performance and you could clearly see it! It dragged the audience down as you can imagine. It makes you feel like you aren't important to them, only their paycheck is important.
I'm not saying KK would behave that way. Far from it I'm sure, because he is a gentleman. But I think that those of us that know him and how he performs would definitely notice that things were "off". He is bowing out now instead of letting his resentment show on stage. That is the professional thing to do if you know that you can't keep it from showing and your heart is no longer in it. It definitely wasn't easy for KK. As I'm sure it isn't easy for Glenn, Rob, Ian or Scott. I'm not sure how the sequence of events happened. Maybe KK was on board for the tour but then Glenn and Rob wanted to do an album and he just didn't want to and that's when he decided to leave? We may never really know. But I wish KK all the best. I will give Faulkner a chance and I will give the new album a chance as well. Change isn't always a bad thing. I will miss KK dearly though and it will be hard to look at the left side of the stage and not see him there.
joedraper wrote:
Yep, and thing to bare in mind is (like Ripper) The new guy was not hanging around like a shark trying to oust KK out of the band. He just happened to be the guy that the band deemed fit enough to play with them. Faulkner is not the enemy here. There are no enemies. Just crappy circumstances that leaves no winners in this situation.
I for one would find it worse to watch a band where one of the dearest members was looking like an animal trapped in a cage... hang on aren't there some lyrics to that effect somewhere on the circut? (lol) But you know what I'm getting at. Rather let him walk away on his terms than go forward with a heavy heart. This can't be easy for KK to have to do. And I don't think it's something he chose. When you feel you cannot go on... You cannot go on.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes Joe, I completely agree. Last time Priest "divorced", I took Priests side and was completely pissed off at Rob until he came back to his metal roots in Halford and then I could let it go. This time around, I'm not really taking sides, I'm just so sad about how all this happened. I will be there supporting Priest, because they have been my ALL TIME FAVORITE band since '82. Seeing someone in KK's place does not "ruin" the memory of Priest for me like it apparently does for others. Yes, it will be different and it will not be "Priest" for me either. But things change and people move on. I want to be there, hopefully with all my Priest friends in the US and say goodbye. I have my memories of KK that I will cherish forever. Now it's time to make some new memories. Just like in a marriage or relationship, you can't force someone to stay when they are so unhappy. I just wish it wasn't the case, but it is so we have to go on the best way that we can.
joedraper wrote:
And who suffers the most in the 'divorce' or the untimely 'death' Freeze? Why it's us the children (fan for those of you who don't understand my euphamisms lol)
We're the ones who will always hold out hope of mom and dad putting their differences aside and making the family unit whole again. Or we're standing by the cold, grey corpse refusing to let go of the stiff frozen hand and let what's done be done.
Instead of hating and being full of rage, I'm choosing to support the rest of the band who are still here for us, trying to hold us together. It's the least we can do for them. This can't be easy for them, left holding all the broken pieces trying frantically to put things back together again and hope the missing pieces can be hidden by their love for us. And the love for their band and what they have put their lives into for the last 40 odd years.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:29:08 PM
Seriously, I will never get that image out of my mind. He rarely looked into the audience, just down at his feet or over to the side, inbetween yawns that is. And I refuse to go see them headline ever again! I know that no one in Priest would ever do that, no matter how bad things were.
better a new guy than a guy yawning thats for sure
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
All I can think of is when we went to see Queensryche play a couple years ago and Eddie Jackson the bass player was standing in the back, bored out of his mind and YAWNING MANY times on stage! His heart was not in that performance and you could clearly see it! It dragged the audience down as you can imagine. It makes you feel like you aren't important to them, only their paycheck is important.
I'm not saying KK would behave that way. Far from it I'm sure, because he is a gentleman. But I think that those of us that know him and how he performs would definitely notice that things were "off". He is bowing out now instead of letting his resentment show on stage. That is the professional thing to do if you know that you can't keep it from showing and your heart is no longer in it. It definitely wasn't easy for KK. As I'm sure it isn't easy for Glenn, Rob, Ian or Scott. I'm not sure how the sequence of events happened. Maybe KK was on board for the tour but then Glenn and Rob wanted to do an album and he just didn't want to and that's when he decided to leave? We may never really know. But I wish KK all the best. I will give Faulkner a chance and I will give the new album a chance as well. Change isn't always a bad thing. I will miss KK dearly though and it will be hard to look at the left side of the stage and not see him there.
joedraper wrote:
Yep, and thing to bare in mind is (like Ripper) The new guy was not hanging around like a shark trying to oust KK out of the band. He just happened to be the guy that the band deemed fit enough to play with them. Faulkner is not the enemy here. There are no enemies. Just crappy circumstances that leaves no winners in this situation.
I for one would find it worse to watch a band where one of the dearest members was looking like an animal trapped in a cage... hang on aren't there some lyrics to that effect somewhere on the circut? (lol) But you know what I'm getting at. Rather let him walk away on his terms than go forward with a heavy heart. This can't be easy for KK to have to do. And I don't think it's something he chose. When you feel you cannot go on... You cannot go on.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes Joe, I completely agree. Last time Priest "divorced", I took Priests side and was completely pissed off at Rob until he came back to his metal roots in Halford and then I could let it go. This time around, I'm not really taking sides, I'm just so sad about how all this happened. I will be there supporting Priest, because they have been my ALL TIME FAVORITE band since '82. Seeing someone in KK's place does not "ruin" the memory of Priest for me like it apparently does for others. Yes, it will be different and it will not be "Priest" for me either. But things change and people move on. I want to be there, hopefully with all my Priest friends in the US and say goodbye. I have my memories of KK that I will cherish forever. Now it's time to make some new memories. Just like in a marriage or relationship, you can't force someone to stay when they are so unhappy. I just wish it wasn't the case, but it is so we have to go on the best way that we can.
joedraper wrote:
And who suffers the most in the 'divorce' or the untimely 'death' Freeze? Why it's us the children (fan for those of you who don't understand my euphamisms lol)
We're the ones who will always hold out hope of mom and dad putting their differences aside and making the family unit whole again. Or we're standing by the cold, grey corpse refusing to let go of the stiff frozen hand and let what's done be done.
Instead of hating and being full of rage, I'm choosing to support the rest of the band who are still here for us, trying to hold us together. It's the least we can do for them. This can't be easy for them, left holding all the broken pieces trying frantically to put things back together again and hope the missing pieces can be hidden by their love for us. And the love for their band and what they have put their lives into for the last 40 odd years.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
[Head banger] Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:05:18 PM
better a new guy than a guy yawning thats for sure [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:54:59 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
All I can think of is when we went to see Queensryche play a couple years ago and Eddie Jackson the bass player was standing in the back, bored out of his mind and YAWNING MANY times on stage! His heart was not in that performance and you could clearly see it! It dragged the audience down as you can imagine. It makes you feel like you aren't important to them, only their paycheck is important.
I'm not saying KK would behave that way. Far from it I'm sure, because he is a gentleman. But I think that those of us that know him and how he performs would definitely notice that things were "off". He is bowing out now instead of letting his resentment show on stage. That is the professional thing to do if you know that you can't keep it from showing and your heart is no longer in it. It definitely wasn't easy for KK. As I'm sure it isn't easy for Glenn, Rob, Ian or Scott. I'm not sure how the sequence of events happened. Maybe KK was on board for the tour but then Glenn and Rob wanted to do an album and he just didn't want to and that's when he decided to leave? We may never really know. But I wish KK all the best. I will give Faulkner a chance and I will give the new album a chance as well. Change isn't always a bad thing. I will miss KK dearly though and it will be hard to look at the left side of the stage and not see him there.
joedraper wrote:
Yep, and thing to bare in mind is (like Ripper) The new guy was not hanging around like a shark trying to oust KK out of the band. He just happened to be the guy that the band deemed fit enough to play with them. Faulkner is not the enemy here. There are no enemies. Just crappy circumstances that leaves no winners in this situation.
I for one would find it worse to watch a band where one of the dearest members was looking like an animal trapped in a cage... hang on aren't there some lyrics to that effect somewhere on the circut? (lol) But you know what I'm getting at. Rather let him walk away on his terms than go forward with a heavy heart. This can't be easy for KK to have to do. And I don't think it's something he chose. When you feel you cannot go on... You cannot go on.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes Joe, I completely agree. Last time Priest "divorced", I took Priests side and was completely pissed off at Rob until he came back to his metal roots in Halford and then I could let it go. This time around, I'm not really taking sides, I'm just so sad about how all this happened. I will be there supporting Priest, because they have been my ALL TIME FAVORITE band since '82. Seeing someone in KK's place does not "ruin" the memory of Priest for me like it apparently does for others. Yes, it will be different and it will not be "Priest" for me either. But things change and people move on. I want to be there, hopefully with all my Priest friends in the US and say goodbye. I have my memories of KK that I will cherish forever. Now it's time to make some new memories. Just like in a marriage or relationship, you can't force someone to stay when they are so unhappy. I just wish it wasn't the case, but it is so we have to go on the best way that we can.
joedraper wrote:
And who suffers the most in the 'divorce' or the untimely 'death' Freeze? Why it's us the children (fan for those of you who don't understand my euphamisms lol)
We're the ones who will always hold out hope of mom and dad putting their differences aside and making the family unit whole again. Or we're standing by the cold, grey corpse refusing to let go of the stiff frozen hand and let what's done be done.
Instead of hating and being full of rage, I'm choosing to support the rest of the band who are still here for us, trying to hold us together. It's the least we can do for them. This can't be easy for them, left holding all the broken pieces trying frantically to put things back together again and hope the missing pieces can be hidden by their love for us. And the love for their band and what they have put their lives into for the last 40 odd years.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
[joedraper] Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:02:35 PM
As hard as it will be to not see him there, you are so right. It would be worse to see him there knowing that he did not want to be there. If there is bad vibes within the band, it will flow over to their performance. I believe in his own way, he is thinking of us by walking away. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:54:59 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
All I can think of is when we went to see Queensryche play a couple years ago and Eddie Jackson the bass player was standing in the back, bored out of his mind and YAWNING MANY times on stage! His heart was not in that performance and you could clearly see it! It dragged the audience down as you can imagine. It makes you feel like you aren't important to them, only their paycheck is important.
I'm not saying KK would behave that way. Far from it I'm sure, because he is a gentleman. But I think that those of us that know him and how he performs would definitely notice that things were "off". He is bowing out now instead of letting his resentment show on stage. That is the professional thing to do if you know that you can't keep it from showing and your heart is no longer in it. It definitely wasn't easy for KK. As I'm sure it isn't easy for Glenn, Rob, Ian or Scott. I'm not sure how the sequence of events happened. Maybe KK was on board for the tour but then Glenn and Rob wanted to do an album and he just didn't want to and that's when he decided to leave? We may never really know. But I wish KK all the best. I will give Faulkner a chance and I will give the new album a chance as well. Change isn't always a bad thing. I will miss KK dearly though and it will be hard to look at the left side of the stage and not see him there.
joedraper wrote:
Yep, and thing to bare in mind is (like Ripper) The new guy was not hanging around like a shark trying to oust KK out of the band. He just happened to be the guy that the band deemed fit enough to play with them. Faulkner is not the enemy here. There are no enemies. Just crappy circumstances that leaves no winners in this situation.
I for one would find it worse to watch a band where one of the dearest members was looking like an animal trapped in a cage... hang on aren't there some lyrics to that effect somewhere on the circut? (lol) But you know what I'm getting at. Rather let him walk away on his terms than go forward with a heavy heart. This can't be easy for KK to have to do. And I don't think it's something he chose. When you feel you cannot go on... You cannot go on.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes Joe, I completely agree. Last time Priest "divorced", I took Priests side and was completely pissed off at Rob until he came back to his metal roots in Halford and then I could let it go. This time around, I'm not really taking sides, I'm just so sad about how all this happened. I will be there supporting Priest, because they have been my ALL TIME FAVORITE band since '82. Seeing someone in KK's place does not "ruin" the memory of Priest for me like it apparently does for others. Yes, it will be different and it will not be "Priest" for me either. But things change and people move on. I want to be there, hopefully with all my Priest friends in the US and say goodbye. I have my memories of KK that I will cherish forever. Now it's time to make some new memories. Just like in a marriage or relationship, you can't force someone to stay when they are so unhappy. I just wish it wasn't the case, but it is so we have to go on the best way that we can.
joedraper wrote:
And who suffers the most in the 'divorce' or the untimely 'death' Freeze? Why it's us the children (fan for those of you who don't understand my euphamisms lol)
We're the ones who will always hold out hope of mom and dad putting their differences aside and making the family unit whole again. Or we're standing by the cold, grey corpse refusing to let go of the stiff frozen hand and let what's done be done.
Instead of hating and being full of rage, I'm choosing to support the rest of the band who are still here for us, trying to hold us together. It's the least we can do for them. This can't be easy for them, left holding all the broken pieces trying frantically to put things back together again and hope the missing pieces can be hidden by their love for us. And the love for their band and what they have put their lives into for the last 40 odd years.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:54:59 PM
All I can think of is when we went to see Queensryche play a couple years ago and Eddie Jackson the bass player was standing in the back, bored out of his mind and YAWNING MANY times on stage! His heart was not in that performance and you could clearly see it! It dragged the audience down as you can imagine. It makes you feel like you aren't important to them, only their paycheck is important.
I'm not saying KK would behave that way. Far from it I'm sure, because he is a gentleman. But I think that those of us that know him and how he performs would definitely notice that things were "off". He is bowing out now instead of letting his resentment show on stage. That is the professional thing to do if you know that you can't keep it from showing and your heart is no longer in it. It definitely wasn't easy for KK. As I'm sure it isn't easy for Glenn, Rob, Ian or Scott. I'm not sure how the sequence of events happened. Maybe KK was on board for the tour but then Glenn and Rob wanted to do an album and he just didn't want to and that's when he decided to leave? We may never really know. But I wish KK all the best. I will give Faulkner a chance and I will give the new album a chance as well. Change isn't always a bad thing. I will miss KK dearly though and it will be hard to look at the left side of the stage and not see him there.
Yep, and thing to bare in mind is (like Ripper) The new guy was not hanging around like a shark trying to oust KK out of the band. He just happened to be the guy that the band deemed fit enough to play with them. Faulkner is not the enemy here. There are no enemies. Just crappy circumstances that leaves no winners in this situation.
I for one would find it worse to watch a band where one of the dearest members was looking like an animal trapped in a cage... hang on aren't there some lyrics to that effect somewhere on the circut? (lol) But you know what I'm getting at. Rather let him walk away on his terms than go forward with a heavy heart. This can't be easy for KK to have to do. And I don't think it's something he chose. When you feel you cannot go on... You cannot go on.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Yes Joe, I completely agree. Last time Priest "divorced", I took Priests side and was completely pissed off at Rob until he came back to his metal roots in Halford and then I could let it go. This time around, I'm not really taking sides, I'm just so sad about how all this happened. I will be there supporting Priest, because they have been my ALL TIME FAVORITE band since '82. Seeing someone in KK's place does not "ruin" the memory of Priest for me like it apparently does for others. Yes, it will be different and it will not be "Priest" for me either. But things change and people move on. I want to be there, hopefully with all my Priest friends in the US and say goodbye. I have my memories of KK that I will cherish forever. Now it's time to make some new memories. Just like in a marriage or relationship, you can't force someone to stay when they are so unhappy. I just wish it wasn't the case, but it is so we have to go on the best way that we can.
joedraper wrote:
And who suffers the most in the 'divorce' or the untimely 'death' Freeze? Why it's us the children (fan for those of you who don't understand my euphamisms lol)
We're the ones who will always hold out hope of mom and dad putting their differences aside and making the family unit whole again. Or we're standing by the cold, grey corpse refusing to let go of the stiff frozen hand and let what's done be done.
Instead of hating and being full of rage, I'm choosing to support the rest of the band who are still here for us, trying to hold us together. It's the least we can do for them. This can't be easy for them, left holding all the broken pieces trying frantically to put things back together again and hope the missing pieces can be hidden by their love for us. And the love for their band and what they have put their lives into for the last 40 odd years.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
[joedraper] Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:03:03 PM
Yep, and thing to bare in mind is (like Ripper) The new guy was not hanging around like a shark trying to oust KK out of the band. He just happened to be the guy that the band deemed fit enough to play with them. Faulkner is not the enemy here. There are no enemies. Just crappy circumstances that leaves no winners in this situation.
I for one would find it worse to watch a band where one of the dearest members was looking like an animal trapped in a cage... hang on aren't there some lyrics to that effect somewhere on the circut? (lol) But you know what I'm getting at. Rather let him walk away on his terms than go forward with a heavy heart. This can't be easy for KK to have to do. And I don't think it's something he chose. When you feel you cannot go on... You cannot go on.
Yes Joe, I completely agree. Last time Priest "divorced", I took Priests side and was completely pissed off at Rob until he came back to his metal roots in Halford and then I could let it go. This time around, I'm not really taking sides, I'm just so sad about how all this happened. I will be there supporting Priest, because they have been my ALL TIME FAVORITE band since '82. Seeing someone in KK's place does not "ruin" the memory of Priest for me like it apparently does for others. Yes, it will be different and it will not be "Priest" for me either. But things change and people move on. I want to be there, hopefully with all my Priest friends in the US and say goodbye. I have my memories of KK that I will cherish forever. Now it's time to make some new memories. Just like in a marriage or relationship, you can't force someone to stay when they are so unhappy. I just wish it wasn't the case, but it is so we have to go on the best way that we can.
joedraper wrote:
And who suffers the most in the 'divorce' or the untimely 'death' Freeze? Why it's us the children (fan for those of you who don't understand my euphamisms lol)
We're the ones who will always hold out hope of mom and dad putting their differences aside and making the family unit whole again. Or we're standing by the cold, grey corpse refusing to let go of the stiff frozen hand and let what's done be done.
Instead of hating and being full of rage, I'm choosing to support the rest of the band who are still here for us, trying to hold us together. It's the least we can do for them. This can't be easy for them, left holding all the broken pieces trying frantically to put things back together again and hope the missing pieces can be hidden by their love for us. And the love for their band and what they have put their lives into for the last 40 odd years.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:55:07 AM
I want as many of us as we can get together at one show, standing shoulder to shoulder, banging our heads and screaming until we have no voices left!I want to send them off with a BANG! I want them to know how loved they are and how much they have meant to us. At the end, I have no doubt most of us, if not all of us, will be crying. Too bad Freeze won't be there, he could bring his "man bag" and cram a couple boxes of tissue in it Sorry Freeze, I just HAD to. I do really wish you would change your mind and be there with us. No, it won't be the same, but that shouldn't make you forget all the fantastic memories you have of Priest. I hope you change your mind, we will save you a spot. But then again, maybe you will want to avoid what is most likely going to be a cryfest at the end.
I hope to be right there with you and Bev, Ron, and Guids when we all a say a goodbye. I will be crying! lol I know I will.
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
I have supported Priest always since I became a fan in '82. They are my all time favorite band and nothing will ever change that. Even if the new album sucks (and I know it won't!), it still won't change how I feel about Priest. I will be there, hopefully standing right next to you at a show, saying goodbye to my band. I KNOW I'll be crying at the final show that I go to, I'll have to bring tissues! I just wish that KK could be there when that last curtain falls, he deserves to be there after everything that he has given to Priest. I'm just sad that it had to end this way.
spapad wrote:
I now realize that we fans of Priest have always been a selfish lot. We have good reason to be.
Why mess with lightning in a bottle?
But we must go on. KK wants us to support the band and I'm sure they have found someone more than up to the job and works simpatico with Glenn. We all fell away when Ripper replaced Rob, because the lyrics and voice was not what we wanted, (we are a brutal judging bunch), and it was not a good separation back then. Not that it ever is for us fans.
I'll be out there supporting them. They are still MY band, I will miss KK tremendously, and might even cry, but I'll be there showing my love of my ALL TIME FAVORITE BAND.
I love my Metal Gods. It's hard enough to see a split so late, but I want to see them one last time. With tears in my eyes when the show is over.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, April 23, 2011 11:46:47 AM
Yes Joe, I completely agree. Last time Priest "divorced", I took Priests side and was completely pissed off at Rob until he came back to his metal roots in Halford and then I could let it go. This time around, I'm not really taking sides, I'm just so sad about how all this happened. I will be there supporting Priest, because they have been my ALL TIME FAVORITE band since '82. Seeing someone in KK's place does not "ruin" the memory of Priest for me like it apparently does for others. Yes, it will be different and it will not be "Priest" for me either. But things change and people move on. I want to be there, hopefully with all my Priest friends in the US and say goodbye. I have my memories of KK that I will cherish forever. Now it's time to make some new memories. Just like in a marriage or relationship, you can't force someone to stay when they are so unhappy. I just wish it wasn't the case, but it is so we have to go on the best way that we can.
And who suffers the most in the 'divorce' or the untimely 'death' Freeze? Why it's us the children (fan for those of you who don't understand my euphamisms lol)
We're the ones who will always hold out hope of mom and dad putting their differences aside and making the family unit whole again. Or we're standing by the cold, grey corpse refusing to let go of the stiff frozen hand and let what's done be done.
Instead of hating and being full of rage, I'm choosing to support the rest of the band who are still here for us, trying to hold us together. It's the least we can do for them. This can't be easy for them, left holding all the broken pieces trying frantically to put things back together again and hope the missing pieces can be hidden by their love for us. And the love for their band and what they have put their lives into for the last 40 odd years.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
[icecreamman] Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:44:34 AM
If Priest were to take what worked best on British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, and Painkiller; and worked off that we could have a great metal album. At least we know there will be a new album. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:39:23 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yes,I really think Rob and Glenn can come up with something excellent,but no it will not top 6 of thier LPs. I like the Hell Bent For Leather album for example,there are 4 tracks on the album I've never like after all these years : Take On The World,Burnin' Up,Before The Dawn and Evil Fantasies.
This being said in my opinion the new album could be better than Hell Bent For Leather,it won't be able to top the "song Hell Bent For Leather" but I can see it topping the album over all if the song writting quality is there. Before K.K. left and if he would of been on this next album then it wouldn't of bothered me for them to put one song like "Worth Fighting For" on the new album if done right,but now K.K. is gone I feel every track must be something heavy,either like All Guns Blazing or Bloodstone,or even Grinder or melodic like Between The Hammer & The Anvil and Hellrider the song.
Something like this so there is a mix of sounds,melody but heavy as hell like the Painkiller album has the heavy theme instead of anything "Nostradamus " related.
icecreamman wrote:
Man, if Priest can put out an album that is anywhere close to Defenders or Painkiller I would buy 15 copies of it. Like you I am sure they are going for it, and I am sure they will shut up all that lack faith! Keep defending JD! We will get a great heavy metal album.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Very well said Freeze. This is very tricky,I guess the new line up is not "Priest" but a new chapter of the band that will NEVER top the magic of the old,but at this point I just don't care anymore. Since the day of the release of Nostradamus July 2008 pretty much 3 long years ago,I've been letdown with the album and "CRAVING" new metal from this band.
And although the new album will not top 6 of thier albums,it could top 7 other albums they have with K.K. so its all about the new album for me,if it kicks ass it might have it's own "magic" ...the band will be releasing it's 17th studio LP and it could very well rate in at # 7 or #8 ,no it will not top the elite Priest albums but this still may kick ass,it very well could be better than Angel Of Retribution and if that happens thats good enough for me.
There still is a part of me that is glad K.K. is out of the band because he was holding down Rob,Glenn and Ian from making another album,or an album that was not going to be a heavy metal masterpiece,that being said this makes me still crave a new album from this band,but I do see why your opinion is this way,I fully understand but I'm siding in with Hellrider with keeping the faith for this next album,it might shock us all who knows.
For me personally...it was way worse,much worse when "ROB" left the band. Sure this still sucks,but I think this new album will be better than the Ripper albums,Rob Glenn and Ian are still here,thats all that matters to me.Again,if the new album is terrible then that will be the day the music will die for me.
Rob Glenn and Ian I'm sure are aware of this and they may try to muster up one of the best albums of all time which could put this album up next to classics like Painkiller,ect....no not as good but it could be close...
Angel Of Retribution wasn't as good as Painkiller or Defenders,Screaming,British Steel or Sad Wings but it rates in at #6 for me personally...this new album could rate in at #6 and knock Retribution down a notch to # 7 with the new album at #6....that would be one hell of an acomplishment,this is why I still have faith in this new album.
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:48:19 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:54:42 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:39:23 AM
Yes,I really think Rob and Glenn can come up with something excellent,but no it will not top 6 of thier LPs. I like the Hell Bent For Leather album for example,there are 4 tracks on the album I've never like after all these years : Take On The World,Burnin' Up,Before The Dawn and Evil Fantasies.
This being said in my opinion the new album could be better than Hell Bent For Leather,it won't be able to top the "song Hell Bent For Leather" but I can see it topping the album over all if the song writting quality is there. Before K.K. left and if he would of been on this next album then it wouldn't of bothered me for them to put one song like "Worth Fighting For" on the new album if done right,but now K.K. is gone I feel every track must be something heavy,either like All Guns Blazing or Bloodstone,or even Grinder or melodic like Between The Hammer & The Anvil and Hellrider the song.
Something like this so there is a mix of sounds,melody but heavy as hell like the Painkiller album has the heavy theme instead of anything "Nostradamus " related.
Man, if Priest can put out an album that is anywhere close to Defenders or Painkiller I would buy 15 copies of it. Like you I am sure they are going for it, and I am sure they will shut up all that lack faith! Keep defending JD! We will get a great heavy metal album.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Very well said Freeze. This is very tricky,I guess the new line up is not "Priest" but a new chapter of the band that will NEVER top the magic of the old,but at this point I just don't care anymore. Since the day of the release of Nostradamus July 2008 pretty much 3 long years ago,I've been letdown with the album and "CRAVING" new metal from this band.
And although the new album will not top 6 of thier albums,it could top 7 other albums they have with K.K. so its all about the new album for me,if it kicks ass it might have it's own "magic" ...the band will be releasing it's 17th studio LP and it could very well rate in at # 7 or #8 ,no it will not top the elite Priest albums but this still may kick ass,it very well could be better than Angel Of Retribution and if that happens thats good enough for me.
There still is a part of me that is glad K.K. is out of the band because he was holding down Rob,Glenn and Ian from making another album,or an album that was not going to be a heavy metal masterpiece,that being said this makes me still crave a new album from this band,but I do see why your opinion is this way,I fully understand but I'm siding in with Hellrider with keeping the faith for this next album,it might shock us all who knows.
For me personally...it was way worse,much worse when "ROB" left the band. Sure this still sucks,but I think this new album will be better than the Ripper albums,Rob Glenn and Ian are still here,thats all that matters to me.Again,if the new album is terrible then that will be the day the music will die for me.
Rob Glenn and Ian I'm sure are aware of this and they may try to muster up one of the best albums of all time which could put this album up next to classics like Painkiller,ect....no not as good but it could be close...
Angel Of Retribution wasn't as good as Painkiller or Defenders,Screaming,British Steel or Sad Wings but it rates in at #6 for me personally...this new album could rate in at #6 and knock Retribution down a notch to # 7 with the new album at #6....that would be one hell of an acomplishment,this is why I still have faith in this new album.
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:48:19 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
Edited at: Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:54:42 AM
[joedraper] Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:39:17 AM
And who suffers the most in the 'divorce' or the untimely 'death' Freeze? Why it's us the children (fan for those of you who don't understand my euphamisms lol)
We're the ones who will always hold out hope of mom and dad putting their differences aside and making the family unit whole again. Or we're standing by the cold, grey corpse refusing to let go of the stiff frozen hand and let what's done be done.
Instead of hating and being full of rage, I'm choosing to support the rest of the band who are still here for us, trying to hold us together. It's the least we can do for them. This can't be easy for them, left holding all the broken pieces trying frantically to put things back together again and hope the missing pieces can be hidden by their love for us. And the love for their band and what they have put their lives into for the last 40 odd years. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:48:19 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 23, 2011 10:24:26 AM
Hey.....you owe me a cover of the Ramones lol!! Dude you would totally rock a few Ramones tracks man!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 23, 2011 6:48:19 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Its good to see such great discourse regarding the band and all that has occurred. I used a different anaolgy when talking to MM about it earlier. For ME, it's like watching a loved one go through divorce. Of course you support them but it still hurts and it will never be "the same". I will always cherish the memories I have of the band and all the great shows. The thing is, for me, it will not be PRIEST. It will be the remaining members playing as Priest. They will be awesome. It will be epic. They never fail to deliver. All of this is true.
The thing is, I want to remember them as they were way back when I first saw them in the 70's. When I first was drawn to their magic. I want to remember them as they were on that summer's day in Detroit just a couple years ago, when I was only feet from them. Without KK, it will not be the same and, for me, that says it all. I am truly glad that so many of you will go and will say your "good byes", or whatever you wish to call it, in your own ways. That is a good thing. For me, it is over. I will always love the band and I support whatever they do, just as I would any loved one. I still love Judas Priest. That doesn't change.
I want to send them off with a BANG! I want them to know how loved they are and how much they have meant to us. At the end, I have no doubt most of us, if not all of us, will be crying. Too bad Freeze won't be there, he could bring his "man bag" and cram a couple boxes of tissue in it