[Head banger] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:34:28 AM
I have no room for cows, send them away.
your right compassion does not equal weekness, my question was does it create weakness?
yes I agree one can be spiritual without involving religion, in fact for me an organized religion detracts from spirituality.
well, its off to get ready for work, I leave you all to ponder the depths of my thoughts and or insanity at your lesiure. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:29:44 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I suppose one could make an argument for almost any deviation but if what you are saying is that we need to define good and evil in terms that make one or the other "acceptable" or "normal", I am not sure that can be done. Values differ. If, as you suggest, it is possible to weaken ourselves by showing compassion rather than strength, I would argue that it takes tremendous INNER strength to be compassionate in certain situations. Many times, it is perceived as a weakness and that is a fallacy in itself. Compassion does not necessarily equate to weakness.
I guess we could debate right and wrong "til the cows come home" but that was not really the point. I think what we are saying is, there is room for belief in spirituality without having to take it to the level of religious dogma. At least that is how we started! HA!!!!
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:21:39 AM)
Head banger wrote:
what is good and what is evil? could it be that our norms of compassion and understanding are weekening the human condition by going against the evolution that darwin first proposed. would the human spiecies be better of if the strong were to survive, take what you can, mercy if for the weak attitude prevailed?
is putting your own pleasure first the goal, or an evil?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:32:17 AM
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:29:44 AM
Well, I suppose one could make an argument for almost any deviation but if what you are saying is that we need to define good and evil in terms that make one or the other "acceptable" or "normal", I am not sure that can be done. Values differ. If, as you suggest, it is possible to weaken ourselves by showing compassion rather than strength, I would argue that it takes tremendous INNER strength to be compassionate in certain situations. Many times, it is perceived as a weakness and that is a fallacy in itself. Compassion does not necessarily equate to weakness.
I guess we could debate right and wrong "til the cows come home" but that was not really the point. I think what we are saying is, there is room for belief in spirituality without having to take it to the level of religious dogma. At least that is how we started! HA!!!!
what is good and what is evil? could it be that our norms of compassion and understanding are weekening the human condition by going against the evolution that darwin first proposed. would the human spiecies be better of if the strong were to survive, take what you can, mercy if for the weak attitude prevailed?
is putting your own pleasure first the goal, or an evil?
Edited at: Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:32:17 AM
[Head banger] Thursday, September 10, 2009 7:21:39 AM
what is good and what is evil? could it be that our norms of compassion and understanding are weekening the human condition by going against the evolution that darwin first proposed. would the human spiecies be better of if the strong were to survive, take what you can, mercy if for the weak attitude prevailed?
is putting your own pleasure first the goal, or an evil?
[Deep Freeze] Thursday, September 10, 2009 6:49:21 AM
And I do not take your comment lightly, my dear. It is an honor to have someone feel so strongly about me and I am humbled by your words. THAT is how I feel.
Ron, I get the aspect of good versus evil and "god" versus "devil". I suppose one could make a case for such an argument as far as the human condition but I honestly think that we choose our path. I mean, there are psychological disturbances, of course but I think man is generally born a good being, by and large.
The aphormism "As a man Thinketh, so is he" that I mentioned not only embraces the whole of our being but is so comprehensive as to reach out to every condition and circumstance in life, my friend. A person is literally what he thinks.., his character being the complete sum of all his thought. I do believe we are a growth by law and NOT a creation by artifice. Cause and effect is as absolutely undeviating in the hidden realm of thought as it is in the world we see around us. For us to be noble or "godlike" is not achieved by chance but is a natural result of continued right thinking! It is the effect of a long relationship with noble or "godlike" thought. Bestial character is, in the same way, the result of a long association with ignoble or groveling thought.
[joedraper] Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:47:52 AM
I've always thought of our relationship as special and unique. You are so right that it is rare for us to have this understanding, all the more reason why I treasure our relationship.
The world would be a very boring place if there weren't different angles to view things from
You are truly a great friend to have. I am a better person for knowing you.
ps: I do not say this lightly, this is no shallow compliment lol.
Well ,my dear, I truly believe one can be "spiritual" and not be "religious". Personally, I do not follow the whole "Jesus son-of-god" thing so, for me, there is no "up there" or "down there" or whatever. All of that stuff is just far too confusing for me. I prefer to think of us as great beings simply by virtue of what we have inside us. How we believe and how we think and how we act. What is "inside your heart", as it were.
I made the comments because I do follow your thought and I agree. You made your comments because you follow mine and agree. That is VERY rare between "Christians" and those that do not necessarily "believe" and I think that is VERY special. We agree , we just come at it from a different angle.
joedraper wrote:
DF, that is so true!
For those of us who are religious, I prefere the word spiritual but you get where I'm going with this lol...
We're told we're made in 'God's image' in 'God's spirit' etc. To live by God's ways...
We are the children of god etc.. why is it so wrong to not think of our own godliness? Surely we are gods within ourselves? If we strive for our own 'godliness' within, how can we go wrong? If we just respect and love ourselves and all those around us how can we fail?
I loved your opinion and response to my post. I agree with you 100%
Why can't we be great simply because we are?
Surely if there is a god up there this is what they'd want for us to be?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[ron h] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:39:45 PM
You both are right and true in what you're saying. My only other thought is that as great as we can be, we can also be as bad *or evil if you will* to a point that we have believe our evilness has to come from somewhere *or something* other than our own self...so if there's one, there has to be an opposite. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:47:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:31:34 PM
Well ,my dear, I truly believe one can be "spiritual" and not be "religious". Personally, I do not follow the whole "Jesus son-of-god" thing so, for me, there is no "up there" or "down there" or whatever. All of that stuff is just far too confusing for me. I prefer to think of us as great beings simply by virtue of what we have inside us. How we believe and how we think and how we act. What is "inside your heart", as it were.
I made the comments because I do follow your thought and I agree. You made your comments because you follow mine and agree. That is VERY rare between "Christians" and those that do not necessarily "believe" and I think that is VERY special. We agree , we just come at it from a different angle. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:00:19 PM)
joedraper wrote:
DF, that is so true!
For those of us who are religious, I prefere the word spiritual but you get where I'm going with this lol...
We're told we're made in 'God's image' in 'God's spirit' etc. To live by God's ways...
We are the children of god etc.. why is it so wrong to not think of our own godliness? Surely we are gods within ourselves? If we strive for our own 'godliness' within, how can we go wrong? If we just respect and love ourselves and all those around us how can we fail?
I loved your opinion and response to my post. I agree with you 100%
Why can't we be great simply because we are?
Surely if there is a god up there this is what they'd want for us to be?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[joedraper] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 4:00:19 PM
DF, that is so true!
For those of us who are religious, I prefere the word spiritual but you get where I'm going with this lol...
We're told we're made in 'God's image' in 'God's spirit' etc. To live by God's ways...
We are the children of god etc.. why is it so wrong to not think of our own godliness? Surely we are gods within ourselves? If we strive for our own 'godliness' within, how can we go wrong? If we just respect and love ourselves and all those around us how can we fail?
I loved your opinion and response to my post. I agree with you 100%
Why can't we be great simply because we are?
Surely if there is a god up there this is what they'd want for us to be? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:47:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:47:21 AM
Wow, Joe! Nice thoughts. I think that , if we say that is the biggest mistake we make, then certainly the second biggest is our deference to a "higher" being or "creator" to describe our greatness of self. I mean, why is it that we cannot be great simply because we are? Why is it that we decide it simply CANNOT be us but HAS to be someone or something else??
One must discover the truth that they themselves are makers of themselves by virture of the thoughts that they choose and encourage; that MIND is the master weaver, both of inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance and that, as they may have woven earlier in ignorance and pain, they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness. As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. I think that one need only look to themselves to see that our GREATNESS is us..what we are within.
[joedraper] Wednesday, September 09, 2009 8:41:55 AM
The biggest mistake we humans make is thinking we are separate from each other. Separation is an illusion my friends, we are all reflections of one another.
" I am one Self, united with my Creator, at one with every
aspect of creation, and limitless in power and in peace."
We may look different and act different, yet this is the Human condition, created by our shadow self, the ego. The real you,the Beingness (Spirit) is all of Creation and Eternal. So love your brothers and sisters unconditionally and if your feel a greivance start to build up in you, surround it with love and always forgive, for by forgiving your brothers and sisters, you forgive yourself always, for we are One.
Let peace extend my mind and heart ,to you all
(I just thought that the message here was very apt and positive, hope you enjoy me sharing it with you all)
[hellrider 31038] Monday, September 07, 2009 1:16:57 PM
IT IS NOW TIME TO CRANK UP SOME CLASSIC JUDAS PRIEST STYLE HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLL
[spapad] Friday, September 04, 2009 9:32:14 PM
Yes we will be Hellrider!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, September 04, 2009 8:00:24 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
Oh hell yeah my good friend spapad (WE ARE SCREAMING IT OUT WITH OUR STUDDED WRISTBANDS ON AND OUR
FIST IN THE AIR
spapad wrote:
All I want for Christmas is my British Steele Tour DVD! Yes!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
Toronto needs you again to BUT FIRST A REST AND THE NEW ALBUM (TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL BEAST)
sof ft. \m/ wrote:
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[hellrider 31038] Friday, September 04, 2009 8:00:24 PM
Oh hell yeah my good friend spapad (WE ARE SCREAMING IT OUT WITH OUR STUDDED WRISTBANDS ON AND OUR
All I want for Christmas is my British Steele Tour DVD! Yes!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
Toronto needs you again to BUT FIRST A REST AND THE NEW ALBUM (TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL BEAST)
sof ft. \m/ wrote:
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[spapad] Friday, September 04, 2009 7:54:56 PM
All I want for Christmas is my British Steele Tour DVD! Yes! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, September 04, 2009 7:51:43 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
Toronto needs you again to BUT FIRST A REST AND THE NEW ALBUM (TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL BEAST)
sof ft. \m/ wrote:
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[hellrider 31038] Friday, September 04, 2009 7:51:43 PM
Toronto needs you again to BUT FIRST A REST AND THE NEW ALBUM (TOTAL RUSH OF POWER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTTAAAALLLLL BEAST) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by sof ft. \m/ from Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:28:42 AM)
sof ft. \m/ wrote:
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[sof ft. \m/] Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:28:42 AM
METAL GODS GREECE NEEDS YOU AGAIN!!! YOU ARE OUR DEFENDERS OF FAITH ... METAL FAITH OFCOURSE \m/
[Soylentgreen4u] Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:20:46 AM
OFF TO MONTREAL LATER THIS AFTERNOON TO CATCH MOTORHEAD TONIGHT.....GONNA BE A KICK-ASS SHOW TO BE SURE....
[Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:05:54 PM
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HOLY FREAKIN' SHITE!!! THE METAL GODS ARE GOING TO BE IN CONCORD TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!!
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11:25:34 PM
thank you very much again spapad i really appreciate it.yeah we all have our gifts.tore it up.whoa nasty.that hurts dont blame you for still having bad feelings.i would to.hey what kind of vest did you have in mind.a ALL GUNS BLAZING vest like my new one or earlyer priest like with the studs around the collar and lapel and around the pockets and some on the back and did you have a leather 1 in mind or denim [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:34:08 PM)
spapad wrote:
Your work shows you are a perfectionist! And Man! What a gift to do things so well! I'd trade you, a metal studed Jacket for a portrait of the Metal God, but the time you put into that, is far more than what I do! Incredible! The longest I have EVER spent on a project was my self portrait in college, which had to be life sized, and I took it very seriously. I spent 3 months on it if not more and the results were perfect. Shame it got destroyed. The guy who tore it up! He don't wanna meet me again, I assure you! LOL Might take me 3 months to beat his ass but I would invest the time! LMAO!! I still have bad feelings over that after 20 years! LOL(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:18:32 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you so much spapad i really appreciate.i tend to be a perfectionist.if it is not just right it really bothers me and i dont feel good about it.
spapad wrote:
They are beautiful and I so appriciate the fact that you have those bad boy spikes lined up perfect! NOW THAT is attention to detail!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much spapad.yeah definatly worth it.1 of them.lol.i still have 2 others to finish off.lol.the leather one i started just before this one with the standard english(british steel) studs and i have a british steel denim vest to finish off.i have the entire back plastered on the denim vest and the collar studded just have to sew on the JUDAS PRIEST BRITISH STEEL PATCH.allthough i might end up plastering the front to.not sure yet..the standard english cone stud vest is about 3 quarters done.i took a break from it because i was not totally satisfied with how it was turning out.but i look at it now and it looks pretty good. definatly worth every bit of it
spapad wrote:
Hellrider, that's a beauty! All done now eh? Fantastic job! Bravo! I know how much time and patience that took, and it was worth every bit of it!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL
Edited at: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:35:35 PM
[spapad] Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:34:08 PM
Your work shows you are a perfectionist! And Man! What a gift to do things so well! I'd trade you, a metal studed Jacket for a portrait of the Metal God, but the time you put into that, is far more than what I do! Incredible! The longest I have EVER spent on a project was my self portrait in college, which had to be life sized, and I took it very seriously. I spent 3 months on it if not more and the results were perfect. Shame it got destroyed. The guy who tore it up! He don't wanna meet me again, I assure you! LOL Might take me 3 months to beat his ass but I would invest the time! LMAO!! I still have bad feelings over that after 20 years! LOL[Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:18:32 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you so much spapad i really appreciate.i tend to be a perfectionist.if it is not just right it really bothers me and i dont feel good about it.
spapad wrote:
They are beautiful and I so appriciate the fact that you have those bad boy spikes lined up perfect! NOW THAT is attention to detail!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
thank you very much spapad.yeah definatly worth it.1 of them.lol.i still have 2 others to finish off.lol.the leather one i started just before this one with the standard english(british steel) studs and i have a british steel denim vest to finish off.i have the entire back plastered on the denim vest and the collar studded just have to sew on the JUDAS PRIEST BRITISH STEEL PATCH.allthough i might end up plastering the front to.not sure yet..the standard english cone stud vest is about 3 quarters done.i took a break from it because i was not totally satisfied with how it was turning out.but i look at it now and it looks pretty good. definatly worth every bit of it
spapad wrote:
Hellrider, that's a beauty! All done now eh? Fantastic job! Bravo! I know how much time and patience that took, and it was worth every bit of it!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
and the back.what a massive job but definatly worth it.i used 1/2 cone studs on this vest.
