| [guitardude] Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:55:24 PM | |
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You have touched the most Un-holy grail of problems with floating bridges. The Floyd type bridges are a royal pain in the ass.
Ideally,the bridge should set level when the guitar is in tune. This may not be your personal preference though. It takes an hour or so to get a floater into tune properly. The bridge will move around as you put tension on each string.
It really is a balancing act (literally). It takes practice and patience. The one way to avoid the entire hassle is to change one string at a time and not remove all the old strings all at once. This still isn`t a fix,just makes it a little simpler.
I wouldn`t adjust the springs in back unless you want the bridge to stay back some. And dear god,don`t over tighten those bolts on the bridge when re-installing your strings.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Judas Deth from Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:25:45 PM)
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i need advise!!!! I was changing the strings on my jackson rr3 for the first time having never changed strings on a floyd in my whole life and i have the bass strings in but when i go to tune them the bridge starts to come up. I read somewhere you have to tighten the screws where the springs are to make the bridge go down but that doesnt seem to work. im taking it in to a shop tomorrow but im just so worried about it!    |
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| [Judas Deth] Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:25:45 PM | |
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| i need advise!!!! I was changing the strings on my jackson rr3 for the first time having never changed strings on a floyd in my whole life and i have the bass strings in but when i go to tune them the bridge starts to come up. I read somewhere you have to tighten the screws where the springs are to make the bridge go down but that doesnt seem to work. im taking it in to a shop tomorrow but im just so worried about it! |
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| [TIMBONI] Friday, December 05, 2008 10:00:09 PM | |
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Usually the "speed demons" prefer it. It works well with the combination of the need for speed and the super relaxed light touch it takes to achieve it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guitardude from Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:33:19 PM)| | | guitardude wrote: | | | I have really been paying attention to the whole "scalloped" issue lately. KK has his entire fretboard done this way on many of his newer guitars, but I haven`t noticed if Glenn has or not. Yngwie has the whole board done. Steve Vai has frets 14-24 done on his Jem`s. There must be something to it,but only a limited few seem to prefer them. |
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| [Vaillant 3.0] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:05:58 PM | |
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| [guitardude] Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:33:19 PM | |
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| I have really been paying attention to the whole "scalloped" issue lately. KK has his entire fretboard done this way on many of his newer guitars, but I haven`t noticed if Glenn has or not. Yngwie has the whole board done. Steve Vai has frets 14-24 done on his Jem`s. There must be something to it,but only a limited few seem to prefer them. |
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| [kiamat] Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:53:00 PM | |
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| Looked up scalloped fretboards after I read this- cool idea but I can't see that its very practical to have the whole board scalloped if you do a lot of rhythm work, the top frets I can understand though I do an inordinate amount of sliding when I solo, so surely it would make that tougher- of course, it may be I have mistunderstood the whole concept, in fact very likely. I'll come back to this thread when I've had some sleep. |
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| [guitardude] Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:55:03 PM | |
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| [SDBinNY] Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:09:04 AM | |
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| [guitardude] Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:22:22 PM | |
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Hey man, it got me to thinking,nothing wrong with that!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:53:25 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I must apologize, my friend. I was "pulling your leg". I understood you!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | Ok then, with the missing wood under where ever you`re fretting,you`ll have the standard note of that fret position,then if youm press a little harder the note will sharpen as the tension increases,in turn changing the note. Now if this is done in one fluid motion, you will here the note that is the highest tension first,then the transition to the actual fretted note. Same principal as bending the strings,the change in tension you hear is just being done up and down between the chosen fret instead of being bent across the fretboard.
Geez, I hope that makes sense and sounds more logical. Words always tend to escape me when I try to explain things.
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:53:25 PM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I must apologize, my friend. I was "pulling your leg". I understood you!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:41:15 PM)| | | guitardude wrote: | | Ok then, with the missing wood under where ever you`re fretting,you`ll have the standard note of that fret position,then if youm press a little harder the note will sharpen as the tension increases,in turn changing the note. Now if this is done in one fluid motion, you will here the note that is the highest tension first,then the transition to the actual fretted note. Same principal as bending the strings,the change in tension you hear is just being done up and down between the chosen fret instead of being bent across the fretboard.
Geez, I hope that makes sense and sounds more logical. Words always tend to escape me when I try to explain things.
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| [guitardude] Saturday, November 29, 2008 1:41:15 PM | |
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Ok then, with the missing wood under where ever you`re fretting,you`ll have the standard note of that fret position,then if youm press a little harder the note will sharpen as the tension increases,in turn changing the note. Now if this is done in one fluid motion, you will here the note that is the highest tension first,then the transition to the actual fretted note. Same principal as bending the strings,the change in tension you hear is just being done up and down between the chosen fret instead of being bent across the fretboard.
Geez, I hope that makes sense and sounds more logical. Words always tend to escape me when I try to explain things.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:20:58 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | yes
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:20:58 AM | |
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| [guitardude] Friday, November 28, 2008 10:33:33 PM | |
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That`s the best way I can think of to put it in "laymen`s "terms. As most musical terminology escapes me. You do know what a scalloped fretboard is and looks like right?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, November 28, 2008 6:27:45 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Man! I wish I knew what you were talking about, GD. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | guitardude wrote: | | OK,answered my question today with a trip to Guitar Center,I played a Yngwie model strat that had the scalloped fretboard. Interesting!! You almost have two notes per fret to play. With the motion of your fingers you have a constant variable on the string that makes the note literally "ringout" and change pitch while sustaining.I now know how Yngwie sounds the way he does during his 100mph solo`s. Can`t say I will get one with the fretboard this way,maybe from the 12th fret up would be ok.
But the Gem of my trip was the purchase of the Line6 Pocket POD. This thing is tiny ,but has a monster sound. I have only began to scratch the surface and capabilities of this thing. Looks as if it`s gonna be a fun time though. It does have a setting for"Breaking the Law" that is very accurate. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, November 28, 2008 6:27:45 PM | |
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Man! I wish I knew what you were talking about, GD. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guitardude from Friday, November 28, 2008 6:25:51 PM)| | | guitardude wrote: | | OK,answered my question today with a trip to Guitar Center,I played a Yngwie model strat that had the scalloped fretboard. Interesting!! You almost have two notes per fret to play. With the motion of your fingers you have a constant variable on the string that makes the note literally "ringout" and change pitch while sustaining.I now know how Yngwie sounds the way he does during his 100mph solo`s. Can`t say I will get one with the fretboard this way,maybe from the 12th fret up would be ok.
But the Gem of my trip was the purchase of the Line6 Pocket POD. This thing is tiny ,but has a monster sound. I have only began to scratch the surface and capabilities of this thing. Looks as if it`s gonna be a fun time though. It does have a setting for"Breaking the Law" that is very accurate. |
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| [guitardude] Friday, November 28, 2008 6:25:51 PM | |
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OK,answered my question today with a trip to Guitar Center,I played a Yngwie model strat that had the scalloped fretboard. Interesting!! You almost have two notes per fret to play. With the motion of your fingers you have a constant variable on the string that makes the note literally "ringout" and change pitch while sustaining.I now know how Yngwie sounds the way he does during his 100mph solo`s. Can`t say I will get one with the fretboard this way,maybe from the 12th fret up would be ok.
But the Gem of my trip was the purchase of the Line6 Pocket POD. This thing is tiny ,but has a monster sound. I have only began to scratch the surface and capabilities of this thing. Looks as if it`s gonna be a fun time though. It does have a setting for"Breaking the Law" that is very accurate. |
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| [guitardude] Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:57:45 PM | |
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| While I`m here,can anyone tell me the advantages of the scalloped fretboards?I`ve read all the descriptions about how it opens up new avenues to your playing when you only touch strings and not the wood of the neck. But hell as hard as I finger,I`ll get some wood!! No pun intended!! |
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| [guitardude] Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:51:01 PM | |
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I do like the look of the Vandenberg models,but the one thing I do want to get away from is that reverse headstock. Not so much a fan of them anymore. that won`t stop me if I find a guitar that speaks to me though.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by SDBinNY from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:45:14 PM)| | | SDBinNY wrote: | | Grover just did the Legacy series with them, and was more or less a consultant. I think Fender just brought him around because the Jackson fanatics more or less expected Fender to ultimately squash their competition and throw Jackson under the bus. This was compounded when they moved Jackson production to the Fender plant in Corona, California.
Personally, I rarely use the neck pickup except when looking for a more acoustic-like clean sound. I tried swapping the EMG's around in my DK2M, but that was a waste of time, and the 85 KILLS in the neck position. My only other real neck pickup experiences I have had were with Duncan JB's ( lifeless bland tone killers IMHO) and a Dimarzio Super Distortion ( way too muddy).
I was poking around Ebay, and there are a few Peavey Vandies that may be worth a few minutes of your time, though.... |
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| [SDBinNY] Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:45:14 PM | |
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Grover just did the Legacy series with them, and was more or less a consultant. I think Fender just brought him around because the Jackson fanatics more or less expected Fender to ultimately squash their competition and throw Jackson under the bus. This was compounded when they moved Jackson production to the Fender plant in Corona, California.
Personally, I rarely use the neck pickup except when looking for a more acoustic-like clean sound. I tried swapping the EMG's around in my DK2M, but that was a waste of time, and the 85 KILLS in the neck position. My only other real neck pickup experiences I have had were with Duncan JB's ( lifeless bland tone killers IMHO) and a Dimarzio Super Distortion ( way too muddy).
I was poking around Ebay, and there are a few Peavey Vandies that may be worth a few minutes of your time, though.... |
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| [guitardude] Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:30:13 PM | |
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I`ve seen those models and like them alot. I`m not strictly a single coil in the neck guy,I did the look of the humbuckers,and a coil tap would be the addition i would probably make. When I`m really getting into playing,I do like to tone it down for a softer interlude at times. But realistically,I would use it for blues stuff and anything clean as i like the way a single coil gets very bell like in it`s tone. The Seymour Duncan Vintage staggered in my BC is just perfect. It has decent output and a great frequency response. The Duncan Jazz neck humbucker or the Dimarzio Evolution neck model would be a good change.
Isn`t Charvel still under the Fender blanket? I see where Grover Jackson is doing a elite series with them. Got alot of potential there as Grover is still an incredible designer and builder.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by SDBinNY from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:29:13 PM)| | | SDBinNY wrote: | | You know, I really hate to sound like I am always promoting their stuff, but there are also some other Charvel models that may give you another option.
These sell everywhere for $999 and come with a gig bag. Those who have them are extremely pleased with them, and you could add a coil tap to the neck pickup and still have the option of the humbucker....
www.charvelguitars.com/production_models.html |
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| [SDBinNY] Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:29:13 PM | |
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You know, I really hate to sound like I am always promoting their stuff, but there are also some other Charvel models that may give you another option.
These sell everywhere for $999 and come with a gig bag. Those who have them are extremely pleased with them, and you could add a coil tap to the neck pickup and still have the option of the humbucker....
www.charvelguitars.com/production_models.html |
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