| [Head banger] Monday, April 06, 2009 5:30:55 PM | |
|
|
| [DelivererofEvil] Monday, April 06, 2009 5:29:53 PM | |
|
Not to mention that Hugo Weaving lending his voice to V was the perfect choice, he's got THE voice for it!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, April 06, 2009 5:09:47 PM)| |  | Becks wrote: | | Soy, you MUST see it! It's fantastic, one of my favourite movies. I haven't read the comic DoE, but I have heard it's great! I find the messages in the story very relevant too. That and the action scenes are awesome 
| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | Beautiful comic it was and perfectly put into film!
It isn't just another chaotic comic adaption, the Wachowsky brothers cared to preserve all the philosophy embedded into the original story! Very humanistic even though that message is channeled through a path of hate.
| | | Becks wrote: | | LOL Soy! I value integrity very highly also. One of my favourite quotes (from the movie V for Vendetta) is Our integrity sells for so little, but it's all that we really have. It is the very last inch of us, but within that inch, we are free.
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT QUALITIES, TO ME ANYWAY,THAT I LOOK FOR IN THOSE I MIGHT LIKE TO TRY AND BECOME FRIENDS WITH IS LOYALTY AND INTEGRITY ...AND HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED HOW SO MANY PRETEND TO HAVE IT,BUT ACTUALLY DON'T?.....
BLOOOOODY HUMANS! ....
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Thought for the day..
Its about Trust..
'Trust' indicates a depth and a sense of assurance that is based on strong but not logically-conclusive evidence, or based on the character, ability, or truth shown by someone or something over time or across situations. Trust makes for a sense of being safe or of being free of fear, enough so your focus can be on other matters because that matter is taken care of. It becomes easier to simply enjoy life. Trust breeds confidence and conviction.
No human is totally trustworthy.
No human is totally untrustworthy.
No human can always trust themselves.
No human is totally trusting of any one other person.
Trust is a risk. We leave ourselves open for loss. Betrayal of trust hurts so much because the lost sense of security multiplies the damage.
Some keys to building trust :
1. Communicate. Say accurately what you are doing, and don't assume others 'just know'. Also helpful : suggest some way they can help out.
2. Do what you've communicated. Nothing is more important to building trust than actions which match the words, non-verbal cues, and stated reasons. (I mean, actions that don't have to have 'spin' to make them seem like they match.
)
3. No scorekeeping. The game of tit-for-tat does not create a sense of trust. Quit reminding others of what they did wrong in the past. Focus on what's happening now.
4. Look in the mirror.
Are you giving other people reason to distrust you? Were you acting this same way in a past instance where you were shown unworthy of trust?
5. Repetition. Each time you act in a trustworthy manner, you earn more trust. After a while, the trust starts adding up. Be thorough about it : build trust in every matter, big or small.
6. Show trust. People who are trusted are more likely to trust. Most people actually are trustworthy in most matters most of the time. Trust them, and the trust may spread. (That doesn't mean blind trust, which is a way to become an untrustworthy person's enabler.)
 MG~ |
|
|
|
|
|
|
| [Becks] Monday, April 06, 2009 5:09:47 PM | |
|
Soy, you MUST see it! It's fantastic, one of my favourite movies. I haven't read the comic DoE, but I have heard it's great! I find the messages in the story very relevant too. That and the action scenes are awesome
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Monday, April 06, 2009 4:51:01 PM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | Beautiful comic it was and perfectly put into film!
It isn't just another chaotic comic adaption, the Wachowsky brothers cared to preserve all the philosophy embedded into the original story! Very humanistic even though that message is channeled through a path of hate.
| | | Becks wrote: | | LOL Soy! I value integrity very highly also. One of my favourite quotes (from the movie V for Vendetta) is Our integrity sells for so little, but it's all that we really have. It is the very last inch of us, but within that inch, we are free.
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT QUALITIES, TO ME ANYWAY,THAT I LOOK FOR IN THOSE I MIGHT LIKE TO TRY AND BECOME FRIENDS WITH IS LOYALTY AND INTEGRITY ...AND HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED HOW SO MANY PRETEND TO HAVE IT,BUT ACTUALLY DON'T?.....
BLOOOOODY HUMANS! ....
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Thought for the day..
Its about Trust..
'Trust' indicates a depth and a sense of assurance that is based on strong but not logically-conclusive evidence, or based on the character, ability, or truth shown by someone or something over time or across situations. Trust makes for a sense of being safe or of being free of fear, enough so your focus can be on other matters because that matter is taken care of. It becomes easier to simply enjoy life. Trust breeds confidence and conviction.
No human is totally trustworthy.
No human is totally untrustworthy.
No human can always trust themselves.
No human is totally trusting of any one other person.
Trust is a risk. We leave ourselves open for loss. Betrayal of trust hurts so much because the lost sense of security multiplies the damage.
Some keys to building trust :
1. Communicate. Say accurately what you are doing, and don't assume others 'just know'. Also helpful : suggest some way they can help out.
2. Do what you've communicated. Nothing is more important to building trust than actions which match the words, non-verbal cues, and stated reasons. (I mean, actions that don't have to have 'spin' to make them seem like they match.
)
3. No scorekeeping. The game of tit-for-tat does not create a sense of trust. Quit reminding others of what they did wrong in the past. Focus on what's happening now.
4. Look in the mirror.
Are you giving other people reason to distrust you? Were you acting this same way in a past instance where you were shown unworthy of trust?
5. Repetition. Each time you act in a trustworthy manner, you earn more trust. After a while, the trust starts adding up. Be thorough about it : build trust in every matter, big or small.
6. Show trust. People who are trusted are more likely to trust. Most people actually are trustworthy in most matters most of the time. Trust them, and the trust may spread. (That doesn't mean blind trust, which is a way to become an untrustworthy person's enabler.)
MG~ |
|
|
|
|
|
| [DelivererofEvil] Monday, April 06, 2009 4:51:01 PM | |
|
Beautiful comic it was and perfectly put into film!
It isn't just another chaotic comic adaption, the Wachowsky brothers cared to preserve all the philosophy embedded into the original story! Very humanistic even though that message is channeled through a path of hate.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, April 06, 2009 4:29:02 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | LOL Soy! I value integrity very highly also. One of my favourite quotes (from the movie V for Vendetta) is Our integrity sells for so little, but it's all that we really have. It is the very last inch of us, but within that inch, we are free.
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT QUALITIES, TO ME ANYWAY,THAT I LOOK FOR IN THOSE I MIGHT LIKE TO TRY AND BECOME FRIENDS WITH IS LOYALTY AND INTEGRITY ...AND HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED HOW SO MANY PRETEND TO HAVE IT,BUT ACTUALLY DON'T?.....
BLOOOOODY HUMANS! ....
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Thought for the day..
Its about Trust..
'Trust' indicates a depth and a sense of assurance that is based on strong but not logically-conclusive evidence, or based on the character, ability, or truth shown by someone or something over time or across situations. Trust makes for a sense of being safe or of being free of fear, enough so your focus can be on other matters because that matter is taken care of. It becomes easier to simply enjoy life. Trust breeds confidence and conviction.
No human is totally trustworthy.
No human is totally untrustworthy.
No human can always trust themselves.
No human is totally trusting of any one other person.
Trust is a risk. We leave ourselves open for loss. Betrayal of trust hurts so much because the lost sense of security multiplies the damage.
Some keys to building trust :
1. Communicate. Say accurately what you are doing, and don't assume others 'just know'. Also helpful : suggest some way they can help out.
2. Do what you've communicated. Nothing is more important to building trust than actions which match the words, non-verbal cues, and stated reasons. (I mean, actions that don't have to have 'spin' to make them seem like they match.
)
3. No scorekeeping. The game of tit-for-tat does not create a sense of trust. Quit reminding others of what they did wrong in the past. Focus on what's happening now.
4. Look in the mirror.
Are you giving other people reason to distrust you? Were you acting this same way in a past instance where you were shown unworthy of trust?
5. Repetition. Each time you act in a trustworthy manner, you earn more trust. After a while, the trust starts adding up. Be thorough about it : build trust in every matter, big or small.
6. Show trust. People who are trusted are more likely to trust. Most people actually are trustworthy in most matters most of the time. Trust them, and the trust may spread. (That doesn't mean blind trust, which is a way to become an untrustworthy person's enabler.)
MG~ |
|
|
|
|
| [Soylentgreen4u] Monday, April 06, 2009 4:33:35 PM | |
|
YOU KNOW,I STILL HAVEN'T SEEN THAT FILM ,AND I'VE HEARD NOTHING BUT GREAT REVIEWS ABOUT IT,MUST SEE IT SOON,IT'S BEEN ON TV SEVERAL TIMES HERE,I JUST KEEP MISSING IT FOR SOME STUPID REASON OR ANOTHER!... ..GREAT QUOTE BY THE WAY.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, April 06, 2009 4:29:02 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | LOL Soy! I value integrity very highly also. One of my favourite quotes (from the movie V for Vendetta) is Our integrity sells for so little, but it's all that we really have. It is the very last inch of us, but within that inch, we are free.
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT QUALITIES, TO ME ANYWAY,THAT I LOOK FOR IN THOSE I MIGHT LIKE TO TRY AND BECOME FRIENDS WITH IS LOYALTY AND INTEGRITY ...AND HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED HOW SO MANY PRETEND TO HAVE IT,BUT ACTUALLY DON'T?.....
BLOOOOODY HUMANS! ....
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Thought for the day..
Its about Trust..
'Trust' indicates a depth and a sense of assurance that is based on strong but not logically-conclusive evidence, or based on the character, ability, or truth shown by someone or something over time or across situations. Trust makes for a sense of being safe or of being free of fear, enough so your focus can be on other matters because that matter is taken care of. It becomes easier to simply enjoy life. Trust breeds confidence and conviction.
No human is totally trustworthy.
No human is totally untrustworthy.
No human can always trust themselves.
No human is totally trusting of any one other person.
Trust is a risk. We leave ourselves open for loss. Betrayal of trust hurts so much because the lost sense of security multiplies the damage.
Some keys to building trust :
1. Communicate. Say accurately what you are doing, and don't assume others 'just know'. Also helpful : suggest some way they can help out.
2. Do what you've communicated. Nothing is more important to building trust than actions which match the words, non-verbal cues, and stated reasons. (I mean, actions that don't have to have 'spin' to make them seem like they match.
)
3. No scorekeeping. The game of tit-for-tat does not create a sense of trust. Quit reminding others of what they did wrong in the past. Focus on what's happening now.
4. Look in the mirror.
Are you giving other people reason to distrust you? Were you acting this same way in a past instance where you were shown unworthy of trust?
5. Repetition. Each time you act in a trustworthy manner, you earn more trust. After a while, the trust starts adding up. Be thorough about it : build trust in every matter, big or small.
6. Show trust. People who are trusted are more likely to trust. Most people actually are trustworthy in most matters most of the time. Trust them, and the trust may spread. (That doesn't mean blind trust, which is a way to become an untrustworthy person's enabler.)
MG~ |
|
|
|
|
| [Becks] Monday, April 06, 2009 4:29:02 PM | |
|
LOL Soy! I value integrity very highly also. One of my favourite quotes (from the movie V for Vendetta) is Our integrity sells for so little, but it's all that we really have. It is the very last inch of us, but within that inch, we are free.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Monday, April 06, 2009 4:25:19 PM)| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT QUALITIES, TO ME ANYWAY,THAT I LOOK FOR IN THOSE I MIGHT LIKE TO TRY AND BECOME FRIENDS WITH IS LOYALTY AND INTEGRITY ...AND HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED HOW SO MANY PRETEND TO HAVE IT,BUT ACTUALLY DON'T?.....
BLOOOOODY HUMANS! ....
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Thought for the day..
Its about Trust..
'Trust' indicates a depth and a sense of assurance that is based on strong but not logically-conclusive evidence, or based on the character, ability, or truth shown by someone or something over time or across situations. Trust makes for a sense of being safe or of being free of fear, enough so your focus can be on other matters because that matter is taken care of. It becomes easier to simply enjoy life. Trust breeds confidence and conviction.
No human is totally trustworthy.
No human is totally untrustworthy.
No human can always trust themselves.
No human is totally trusting of any one other person.
Trust is a risk. We leave ourselves open for loss. Betrayal of trust hurts so much because the lost sense of security multiplies the damage.
Some keys to building trust :
1. Communicate. Say accurately what you are doing, and don't assume others 'just know'. Also helpful : suggest some way they can help out.
2. Do what you've communicated. Nothing is more important to building trust than actions which match the words, non-verbal cues, and stated reasons. (I mean, actions that don't have to have 'spin' to make them seem like they match.
)
3. No scorekeeping. The game of tit-for-tat does not create a sense of trust. Quit reminding others of what they did wrong in the past. Focus on what's happening now.
4. Look in the mirror.
Are you giving other people reason to distrust you? Were you acting this same way in a past instance where you were shown unworthy of trust?
5. Repetition. Each time you act in a trustworthy manner, you earn more trust. After a while, the trust starts adding up. Be thorough about it : build trust in every matter, big or small.
6. Show trust. People who are trusted are more likely to trust. Most people actually are trustworthy in most matters most of the time. Trust them, and the trust may spread. (That doesn't mean blind trust, which is a way to become an untrustworthy person's enabler.)
MG~ |
|
|
|
| [Soylentgreen4u] Monday, April 06, 2009 4:25:19 PM | |
|
THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT QUALITIES, TO ME ANYWAY,THAT I LOOK FOR IN THOSE I MIGHT LIKE TO TRY AND BECOME FRIENDS WITH IS LOYALTY AND INTEGRITY ...AND HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED HOW SO MANY PRETEND TO HAVE IT,BUT ACTUALLY DON'T?.....
BLOOOOODY HUMANS! ....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Monday, April 06, 2009 3:59:05 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Thought for the day..
Its about Trust..
'Trust' indicates a depth and a sense of assurance that is based on strong but not logically-conclusive evidence, or based on the character, ability, or truth shown by someone or something over time or across situations. Trust makes for a sense of being safe or of being free of fear, enough so your focus can be on other matters because that matter is taken care of. It becomes easier to simply enjoy life. Trust breeds confidence and conviction.
No human is totally trustworthy.
No human is totally untrustworthy.
No human can always trust themselves.
No human is totally trusting of any one other person.
Trust is a risk. We leave ourselves open for loss. Betrayal of trust hurts so much because the lost sense of security multiplies the damage.
Some keys to building trust :
1. Communicate. Say accurately what you are doing, and don't assume others 'just know'. Also helpful : suggest some way they can help out.
2. Do what you've communicated. Nothing is more important to building trust than actions which match the words, non-verbal cues, and stated reasons. (I mean, actions that don't have to have 'spin' to make them seem like they match.
)
3. No scorekeeping. The game of tit-for-tat does not create a sense of trust. Quit reminding others of what they did wrong in the past. Focus on what's happening now.
4. Look in the mirror.
Are you giving other people reason to distrust you? Were you acting this same way in a past instance where you were shown unworthy of trust?
5. Repetition. Each time you act in a trustworthy manner, you earn more trust. After a while, the trust starts adding up. Be thorough about it : build trust in every matter, big or small.
6. Show trust. People who are trusted are more likely to trust. Most people actually are trustworthy in most matters most of the time. Trust them, and the trust may spread. (That doesn't mean blind trust, which is a way to become an untrustworthy person's enabler.)
MG~ |
|
|
| [Becks] Monday, April 06, 2009 4:04:53 PM | |
|
Nice post MG, there's a lot to consider there 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Monday, April 06, 2009 3:59:05 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Thought for the day..
Its about Trust..
'Trust' indicates a depth and a sense of assurance that is based on strong but not logically-conclusive evidence, or based on the character, ability, or truth shown by someone or something over time or across situations. Trust makes for a sense of being safe or of being free of fear, enough so your focus can be on other matters because that matter is taken care of. It becomes easier to simply enjoy life. Trust breeds confidence and conviction.
No human is totally trustworthy.
No human is totally untrustworthy.
No human can always trust themselves.
No human is totally trusting of any one other person.
Trust is a risk. We leave ourselves open for loss. Betrayal of trust hurts so much because the lost sense of security multiplies the damage.
Some keys to building trust :
1. Communicate. Say accurately what you are doing, and don't assume others 'just know'. Also helpful : suggest some way they can help out.
2. Do what you've communicated. Nothing is more important to building trust than actions which match the words, non-verbal cues, and stated reasons. (I mean, actions that don't have to have 'spin' to make them seem like they match.
)
3. No scorekeeping. The game of tit-for-tat does not create a sense of trust. Quit reminding others of what they did wrong in the past. Focus on what's happening now.
4. Look in the mirror.
Are you giving other people reason to distrust you? Were you acting this same way in a past instance where you were shown unworthy of trust?
5. Repetition. Each time you act in a trustworthy manner, you earn more trust. After a while, the trust starts adding up. Be thorough about it : build trust in every matter, big or small.
6. Show trust. People who are trusted are more likely to trust. Most people actually are trustworthy in most matters most of the time. Trust them, and the trust may spread. (That doesn't mean blind trust, which is a way to become an untrustworthy person's enabler.)
MG~ |
|
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, April 06, 2009 3:59:05 PM | |
|
Thought for the day..
Its about Trust..
'Trust' indicates a depth and a sense of assurance that is based on strong but not logically-conclusive evidence, or based on the character, ability, or truth shown by someone or something over time or across situations. Trust makes for a sense of being safe or of being free of fear, enough so your focus can be on other matters because that matter is taken care of. It becomes easier to simply enjoy life. Trust breeds confidence and conviction.
No human is totally trustworthy.
No human is totally untrustworthy.
No human can always trust themselves.
No human is totally trusting of any one other person.
Trust is a risk. We leave ourselves open for loss. Betrayal of trust hurts so much because the lost sense of security multiplies the damage.
Some keys to building trust :
1. Communicate. Say accurately what you are doing, and don't assume others 'just know'. Also helpful : suggest some way they can help out.
2. Do what you've communicated. Nothing is more important to building trust than actions which match the words, non-verbal cues, and stated reasons. (I mean, actions that don't have to have 'spin' to make them seem like they match.
)
3. No scorekeeping. The game of tit-for-tat does not create a sense of trust. Quit reminding others of what they did wrong in the past. Focus on what's happening now.
4. Look in the mirror.
Are you giving other people reason to distrust you? Were you acting this same way in a past instance where you were shown unworthy of trust?
5. Repetition. Each time you act in a trustworthy manner, you earn more trust. After a while, the trust starts adding up. Be thorough about it : build trust in every matter, big or small.
6. Show trust. People who are trusted are more likely to trust. Most people actually are trustworthy in most matters most of the time. Trust them, and the trust may spread. (That doesn't mean blind trust, which is a way to become an untrustworthy person's enabler.)
MG~ |
|
| [Becks] Monday, April 06, 2009 3:56:33 PM | |
|
Morning everyone!
I agree with Freeze and Soy, lets all settle down and just get on with being friends! What I mean is, stop any silliness, if someone offends you, ignore them! Don't go needling people who will rise to it.
MG - I'm sorry you feel you need to have a break from the board due to silly behaviour. Hopefully it all calms down soon and you feel you can come back. You're a valued member of this metal community! Oh, and I'm glad Mr Bowie did well getting his hair cut LOL.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Monday, April 06, 2009 3:48:41 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Just stopping in to say Hello, I have had a busy day. Mr Bowie had his hair cut,, he did very well.
As to the board I have just stopped, and refuse to participate, and indulge these people and their reckless behaivior out here.. And I stay off the board.. until things settle down. I want nothing to do with these people. and the type of trouble they start, I have been subjected to it for far to long on this board. and have even been blamed for it.. for whatever reason..
So hopefully people start to grow up, and realize, there are others in this world with feelings, and stop coming on the board to start trouble, we all have a common denominater, we all love Judas Priest... and thats all that should matter! Iam grateful for those that I have meet out here, there are some truley awesome special people.
We will always have the BAD with the good.. Misery loves company is the old saying.. I just make sure I am not up for the visit to keep them company anymore...
Peace out!
MG~
|
|
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Monday, April 06, 2009 3:48:41 PM | |
|
Just stopping in to say Hello, I have had a busy day. Mr Bowie had his hair cut,, he did very well.
As to the board I have just stopped, and refuse to participate, and indulge these people and their reckless behaivior out here.. And I stay off the board.. until things settle down. I want nothing to do with these people. and the type of trouble they start, I have been subjected to it for far to long on this board. and have even been blamed for it.. for whatever reason..
So hopefully people start to grow up, and realize, there are others in this world with feelings, and stop coming on the board to start trouble, we all have a common denominater, we all love Judas Priest... and thats all that should matter! Iam grateful for those that I have meet out here, there are some truley awesome special people.
We will always have the BAD with the good.. Misery loves company is the old saying.. I just make sure I am not up for the visit to keep them company anymore...
Peace out!
MG~
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, April 06, 2009 2:55:10 PM | |
|
| Excellent!! I put him on "ignore" day before yesterday! Just let him babble and , like magicmoron or Big Jerk or whatever, he will get lonely (er?) and look elsewhere for entertainment. The worst thing you can do is pester Murray with this crap. He does NOT need it and does NOT want to deal with it! Let the imbecile hang himself. |
|
| [DelivererofEvil] Monday, April 06, 2009 2:23:03 PM | |
|
As I was saying yesterday already, that user is a troll. And trolls seek attention. Just let him drive by, he'll either tire of it eventually or change his attitude.
No more talk of it though, it saddens my otherwise AWESOME DAY.
For those of you that read my rant yesterday about the LP I missed out on due to the distro's failure to update their list, I got a mail today from the owner of that label and after a couple of mails he went to seek not only the LP I lost, but another of the same band!
Mind you, these are as easy to come by as the Holy Grail, since Tarot is a finnish band who never had the luck to have a decent promotion team behind them and these albums come straight from '86 and '88 from Finland! I'm like a kid waiting for Santa, eheheheh
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, April 06, 2009 12:00:32 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | FINALLY! Something upon which Soy and I can agree!!! Well said!! AGAIN, I ask; Am I the ONLY one that sees what is going on around here?? He is a boor! He WANTS you to respond!!!!! If you do, HE can continue this nonsense! Worse yet, HE will get THIS Thread closed!! LET IT GO, people!! Just as Soy so eloquently put it: DON'T INTERACT WITH THEM,WHY KEEP POKING,GROW THE F#$k UP!... |
|
|
| [Sama] Monday, April 06, 2009 1:59:10 PM | |
|
More and more members start to ignore him.
4 in the last 30 minutes, 7 at this moment. Correct. |
|
| [Phantom A6] Monday, April 06, 2009 12:53:00 PM | |
|
I agree with you DF and Soy.
The fact I have created the famous thread yesterday
was to hold him there and acting against him in a special
way, a mix of fun, ironic and sarcasm. But now I think
the best way for us all is to ignore him.
Was a perfect thing against Norman the last two times!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, April 06, 2009 12:00:32 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | FINALLY! Something upon which Soy and I can agree!!! Well said!! AGAIN, I ask; Am I the ONLY one that sees what is going on around here?? He is a boor! He WANTS you to respond!!!!! If you do, HE can continue this nonsense! Worse yet, HE will get THIS Thread closed!! LET IT GO, people!! Just as Soy so eloquently put it: DON'T INTERACT WITH THEM,WHY KEEP POKING,GROW THE F#$k UP!... |
|
|
| [_strat_] Monday, April 06, 2009 12:38:08 PM | |
|
Well, yeah, thats true, I guess... Maybe we shouldnt have done all that.
But... It all started when he lashed out about completly normal posts, complaining that they are offensive. If we post like we used to, you can be sure that he will continue with his nonsense.
Personaly, Im putting him on my ignore list, and I hope as many others as possible will do the same. Bring his points down, if we cant do anything else.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, April 06, 2009 12:00:32 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | FINALLY! Something upon which Soy and I can agree!!! Well said!! AGAIN, I ask; Am I the ONLY one that sees what is going on around here?? He is a boor! He WANTS you to respond!!!!! If you do, HE can continue this nonsense! Worse yet, HE will get THIS Thread closed!! LET IT GO, people!! Just as Soy so eloquently put it: DON'T INTERACT WITH THEM,WHY KEEP POKING,GROW THE F#$k UP!... |
|
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, April 06, 2009 12:00:32 PM | |
|
| FINALLY! Something upon which Soy and I can agree!!! Well said!! AGAIN, I ask; Am I the ONLY one that sees what is going on around here?? He is a boor! He WANTS you to respond!!!!! If you do, HE can continue this nonsense! Worse yet, HE will get THIS Thread closed!! LET IT GO, people!! Just as Soy so eloquently put it: DON'T INTERACT WITH THEM,WHY KEEP POKING,GROW THE F#$k UP!... |
|
| [kiamat] Monday, April 06, 2009 11:04:53 AM | |
|
You're not doing yourself any favours with smarmy comments like this. Look, can't we just cool off and try to get this this thread back to the purpose it was originally created for- friendly conversation? I'm starting to find all the hostility and backbiting puts me off coming here, and I worry if newer people might be put off too, not knowing the place as it usually is- that would be a shame.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Roger_ Blade from Monday, April 06, 2009 10:13:48 AM)| | | Roger_ Blade wrote: | | | Looks like Jd Diamond and company are not as elite as they thought they were. I see messages got banned. |
|
|
| [Head banger] Monday, April 06, 2009 10:49:45 AM | |
|
sad but true, there will always be an idiot looking for chewtoys on the net. just one more.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, April 06, 2009 10:00:15 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Exactly, HB. This is not and has never been about someone telling us what to do. This is about an idiot that got us to play with him. Murray did the right thing. I am not trying to disparage our friends. I am sorry it came to this but I do agree with it.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | DF, got to side with you on this one. engaging these people (I use the term losely) never seems to cure them, it exagerates the problem.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I realize that I am clearly in the minority on this one but I applaud Murray's actions with regard to all this idiocy AND that ridiculous Thread. I understand that you were all having "fun" and that it was incredibly "hilarious" and all that but it was (in my opinion) demeaning to all of us AND this site, not to mention that it was lending undue attention to a troublemaker.
I cannot believe that I am the ONLY one (besides Murray, apparently) that could see the error of that Thread. Giving a loser a place of his own to continue his incitement was a mistake and I told Michael (Phantom) that in a PM yesterday. It was exactly what that moron wanted and nearly ALL of us fell right into it. Giving that cretin attention is just what he craves and this is why I kept saying it was NOT "funny"...(to me)
This is a place of friendship. We come here to enjoy one another's company and sing the praises of our favorite band. It is also the internet and, as such, it is full of losers and scum that want nothing more than to cause trouble among otherwise peaceful people. When we stoop so low as to actually give one of these degenerates a platform and NAME it for them, we have fallen further than ever before into their world..and left ours .
Edited at: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:40:20 AM |
|
|
|
|
| [Roger_ Blade] Monday, April 06, 2009 10:13:48 AM | |
|
| Looks like Jd Diamond and company are not as elite as they thought they were. I see messages got banned. |
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, April 06, 2009 10:00:15 AM | |
|
Exactly, HB. This is not and has never been about someone telling us what to do. This is about an idiot that got us to play with him. Murray did the right thing. I am not trying to disparage our friends. I am sorry it came to this but I do agree with it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, April 06, 2009 9:48:53 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | DF, got to side with you on this one. engaging these people (I use the term losely) never seems to cure them, it exagerates the problem.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I realize that I am clearly in the minority on this one but I applaud Murray's actions with regard to all this idiocy AND that ridiculous Thread. I understand that you were all having "fun" and that it was incredibly "hilarious" and all that but it was (in my opinion) demeaning to all of us AND this site, not to mention that it was lending undue attention to a troublemaker.
I cannot believe that I am the ONLY one (besides Murray, apparently) that could see the error of that Thread. Giving a loser a place of his own to continue his incitement was a mistake and I told Michael (Phantom) that in a PM yesterday. It was exactly what that moron wanted and nearly ALL of us fell right into it. Giving that cretin attention is just what he craves and this is why I kept saying it was NOT "funny"...(to me)
This is a place of friendship. We come here to enjoy one another's company and sing the praises of our favorite band. It is also the internet and, as such, it is full of losers and scum that want nothing more than to cause trouble among otherwise peaceful people. When we stoop so low as to actually give one of these degenerates a platform and NAME it for them, we have fallen further than ever before into their world..and left ours .
Edited at: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:40:20 AM |
|
|
|
| [Head banger] Monday, April 06, 2009 9:48:53 AM | |
|
DF, got to side with you on this one. engaging these people (I use the term losely) never seems to cure them, it exagerates the problem.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, April 06, 2009 8:37:44 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I realize that I am clearly in the minority on this one but I applaud Murray's actions with regard to all this idiocy AND that ridiculous Thread. I understand that you were all having "fun" and that it was incredibly "hilarious" and all that but it was (in my opinion) demeaning to all of us AND this site, not to mention that it was lending undue attention to a troublemaker.
I cannot believe that I am the ONLY one (besides Murray, apparently) that could see the error of that Thread. Giving a loser a place of his own to continue his incitement was a mistake and I told Michael (Phantom) that in a PM yesterday. It was exactly what that moron wanted and nearly ALL of us fell right into it. Giving that cretin attention is just what he craves and this is why I kept saying it was NOT "funny"...(to me)
This is a place of friendship. We come here to enjoy one another's company and sing the praises of our favorite band. It is also the internet and, as such, it is full of losers and scum that want nothing more than to cause trouble among otherwise peaceful people. When we stoop so low as to actually give one of these degenerates a platform and NAME it for them, we have fallen further than ever before into their world..and left ours .
Edited at: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:40:20 AM |
|
|
| [Vaillant 3.0] Monday, April 06, 2009 9:35:05 AM | |
|
Happy Monday, everyone!!
Ron, looks like my spanking post with Rob Halford was banned. You'll have to create some trouble for me once more (am I tempting fate? Perhaps...).  |
|
| [Deep Freeze] Monday, April 06, 2009 8:37:44 AM | |
|
I realize that I am clearly in the minority on this one but I applaud Murray's actions with regard to all this idiocy AND that ridiculous Thread. I understand that you were all having "fun" and that it was incredibly "hilarious" and all that but it was (in my opinion) demeaning to all of us AND this site, not to mention that it was lending undue attention to a troublemaker.
I cannot believe that I am the ONLY one (besides Murray, apparently) that could see the error of that Thread. Giving a loser a place of his own to continue his incitement was a mistake and I told Michael (Phantom) that in a PM yesterday. It was exactly what that moron wanted and nearly ALL of us fell right into it. Giving that cretin attention is just what he craves and this is why I kept saying it was NOT "funny"...(to me)
This is a place of friendship. We come here to enjoy one another's company and sing the praises of our favorite band. It is also the internet and, as such, it is full of losers and scum that want nothing more than to cause trouble among otherwise peaceful people. When we stoop so low as to actually give one of these degenerates a platform and NAME it for them, we have fallen further than ever before into their world..and left ours .
Edited at: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:40:20 AM |
|
| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Monday, April 06, 2009 5:57:38 AM | |
|
Say something to Murray, but I think he's right in banning that particular thread.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, April 06, 2009 5:37:42 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Whats this?!?!?! The Roger Blade nonsense thread down, and JDs message banned. And if Im not much mistaken the black metal one? What the fuck is offensive about that? And Im pretty sure at least one of my messages disapeared. Not banned, just... Gone. WTF???
I would sure like to know why. Theres a fucktard that comes here and wants us all to obey what he tells us, even tho he doesnt have any authority whatsoever. We arent even allowed to object?
Edited at: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:39:37 AM |
|
|
| [_strat_] Monday, April 06, 2009 5:37:42 AM | |
|
Whats this?!?!?! The Roger Blade nonsense thread down, and JDs message banned. And if Im not much mistaken the black metal one? What the fuck is offensive about that? And Im pretty sure at least one of my messages disapeared. Not banned, just... Gone. WTF???
I would sure like to know why. Theres a fucktard that comes here and wants us all to obey what he tells us, even tho he doesnt have any authority whatsoever. We arent even allowed to object?
Edited at: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:39:37 AM |
|
| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 05, 2009 10:16:55 PM | |
|
| [This message has been banned] |
|
| [Becks] Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:40:24 PM | |
|
Cool MG I added you too LOL. Have a good night! Hope Mr Bowie doesn't get too disgruntled during his hair cut tomorrow lol!
Argh I must be drumming too much, I have a blister on my hand LOL! Ouchy.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:31:43 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Well Im off to bed, I have a early start to the day... and my kitty cat MR David Bowie is going in for his spring hair cut
Tomorrow morn...
Have a great nite everyone
MG~ |
|
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:31:43 PM | |
|
Well Im off to bed, I have a early start to the day... and my kitty cat MR David Bowie is going in for his spring hair cut
Tomorrow morn...
Have a great nite everyone
MG~ |
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:32:09 PM | |
|
|
| [Becks] Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:31:08 PM | |
|
Awww that's sweet MG, wishing you a fantastic week ahead too! 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:29:40 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | |  |
|
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:29:40 PM | |
|
|
| [Roger_ Blade] Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:07:05 PM | |
|
|
| [DelivererofEvil] Sunday, April 05, 2009 8:06:15 PM | |
|
Eheheh, good sense prevails at the end of the day.
Have a rockin' rest of Sunday everyone, it's about time I went to bed!
See you tomorrow Defenders!
Luís out
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:58:32 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Hiya again everyone! Just ran some errands in town, going to have lunch now, pikelets with cream and jam LMAO really healthy, not. But taste good.
I agree with DoE, MG. Just part and parcel of the internet, running in to silliness every so often lol.
| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | Hey there MG!
Unfortunately, you're more than welcome to join me in the BURIED by the weather club today... Off to sleep to see if tomorrow wakes up any better!
Don't worry about Roger, this is part of the internet, and I'd be surprised if anyone took any of this matter seriously.
Have a good evening!
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I hope everyone had a nice Sunday,, I have been under the weather today. Just worked out and did some laundry and watched the INDY race..
I see we have another resident trouble maker... I noticed this last nite Hence the other reason I dont care to be out here.. right now... I wish everyone could just respect one-another, and try and get along, this board does not need another argument, or people starting rumors, and starting needless arguments I agree with Mara 100%.. its childish and bullying.
Have a great week, MG~ |
|
|
|
|
| [Becks] Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:58:32 PM | |
|
Hiya again everyone! Just ran some errands in town, going to have lunch now, pikelets with cream and jam LMAO really healthy, not. But taste good.
I agree with DoE, MG. Just part and parcel of the internet, running in to silliness every so often lol.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:47:04 PM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | Hey there MG!
Unfortunately, you're more than welcome to join me in the BURIED by the weather club today... Off to sleep to see if tomorrow wakes up any better!
Don't worry about Roger, this is part of the internet, and I'd be surprised if anyone took any of this matter seriously.
Have a good evening!
| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I hope everyone had a nice Sunday,, I have been under the weather today. Just worked out and did some laundry and watched the INDY race..
I see we have another resident trouble maker... I noticed this last nite Hence the other reason I dont care to be out here.. right now... I wish everyone could just respect one-another, and try and get along, this board does not need another argument, or people starting rumors, and starting needless arguments I agree with Mara 100%.. its childish and bullying.
Have a great week, MG~ |
|
|
|
| [DelivererofEvil] Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:47:04 PM | |
|
Hey there MG!
Unfortunately, you're more than welcome to join me in the BURIED by the weather club today... Off to sleep to see if tomorrow wakes up any better!
Don't worry about Roger, this is part of the internet, and I'd be surprised if anyone took any of this matter seriously.
Have a good evening!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:25:05 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | I hope everyone had a nice Sunday,, I have been under the weather today. Just worked out and did some laundry and watched the INDY race..
I see we have another resident trouble maker... I noticed this last nite Hence the other reason I dont care to be out here.. right now... I wish everyone could just respect one-another, and try and get along, this board does not need another argument, or people starting rumors, and starting needless arguments I agree with Mara 100%.. its childish and bullying.
Have a great week, MG~ |
|
|
| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:25:05 PM | |
|
I hope everyone had a nice Sunday,, I have been under the weather today. Just worked out and did some laundry and watched the INDY race..
I see we have another resident trouble maker... I noticed this last nite Hence the other reason I dont care to be out here.. right now... I wish everyone could just respect one-another, and try and get along, this board does not need another argument, or people starting rumors, and starting needless arguments I agree with Mara 100%.. its childish and bullying.
Have a great week, MG~ |
|
| [spapad] Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:03:08 PM | |
|
|
| [Head banger] Sunday, April 05, 2009 7:01:43 PM | |
|
well, thats good. the industry I am in is ready for the morgue.
later
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:50:33 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | The business I'm in is one step before that final step, so It is pretty much reccession proof. Death humor, nothing like it! LOL
| | | Head banger wrote: | | HA. a morgue. there is a business to go into. never limited by recession.
|
|
|
|
| [spapad] Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:50:33 PM | |
|
The business I'm in is one step before that final step, so It is pretty much reccession proof. Death humor, nothing like it! LOL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:47:38 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | HA. a morgue. there is a business to go into. never limited by recession.
|
|
|
| [Head banger] Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:47:38 PM | |
|
HA. a morgue. there is a business to go into. never limited by recession.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:46:39 PM) |
|
| [spapad] Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:46:39 PM | |
|
What?! Can't a gal tell you she thinks your great? HA!!!! Did someone open a morgue here tonight? Hello!, hello, hello, hello!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:42:34 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | HA!
| | | spapad wrote: | | I Love you Too HB! 
| | | Head banger wrote: | | yeah, some days looking for something of use here is like extracting gold from sewage, its there, but its a fuck of a lot of work.
| | | ShawninCanada wrote: | | LOL
Things never change around here do they? Shit disturbers, trolls, fighting and nastiness. |
|
|
|
|
|
| [Head banger] Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:42:34 PM | |
|
HA!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:32:15 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I Love you Too HB!
| | | Head banger wrote: | | yeah, some days looking for something of use here is like extracting gold from sewage, its there, but its a fuck of a lot of work.
| | | ShawninCanada wrote: | | LOL
Things never change around here do they? Shit disturbers, trolls, fighting and nastiness. |
|
|
|
|
| [spapad] Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:32:15 PM | |
|
I Love you Too HB!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:24:59 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | yeah, some days looking for something of use here is like extracting gold from sewage, its there, but its a fuck of a lot of work.
| | | ShawninCanada wrote: | | LOL
Things never change around here do they? Shit disturbers, trolls, fighting and nastiness. |
|
|
|
| [Head banger] Sunday, April 05, 2009 6:24:59 PM | |
|
yeah, some days looking for something of use here is like extracting gold from sewage, its there, but its a fuck of a lot of work.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ShawninCanada from Sunday, April 05, 2009 2:33:12 PM)| | | ShawninCanada wrote: | | LOL
Things never change around here do they? Shit disturbers, trolls, fighting and nastiness. |
|
|
| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:55:49 PM | |
|
Okay...I think you made it official now. 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:45:36 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | 
| | | Roger_ Blade wrote: | | I'll post anywhere I please and its really none of your business. So stay out of it.
And that message about Rob Halford was offensive and will be reported to the webmaster.
This thread is where al the silly messages and pictures belong so post it here, not in the other threads that offer a good debate.
Edited at: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:22:30 AM |
|
|
|
| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:45:36 PM | |
|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Roger_ Blade from Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:19:42 AM)| | | Roger_ Blade wrote: | | I'll post anywhere I please and its really none of your business. So stay out of it.
And that message about Rob Halford was offensive and will be reported to the webmaster.
This thread is where al the silly messages and pictures belong so post it here, not in the other threads that offer a good debate.
Edited at: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:22:30 AM |
|
|
| [Everleigh] Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:42:36 PM | |
|
| There are some people here who just LOVE to start trouble...it is a bit like junior high and bullying..I don't care for it and don't find it at all funny... GROW UP... you know who you are....and folks... that's what the ignore button is for...I'm sure you are aware of it.. but it is nice.... |
|
| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:22:25 PM | |
|
No, I suppose it didn't...but I am old and tired and unable to mount an intelligent repartee.......Besides, humor is highly subjective.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:18:37 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | It never stoped you before.
It is funny.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | As you wish, strat. Far be it from me to argue your definitive statement.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | It is funny...
IDK... This one is different than the others, I guess. Priest fan, for one. And he isnt really offensive either. On the contrary, he thinks we are offensive... IDK, but I just cant bring myself to press the button. The only thing is this arrogance, that he expects us to do what he says... But thats hardly offensive... Just dumb.
In any case, he provoked the Sinfull collective, and we know what that means... They are a sort of a nuclear weapon.
And it still is funny.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Unfortunately, there is nothing "funny" about it at all, Susan...(my apologies). It is pathetic. People that struggle to commune with others in their "real" lives have difficulty doing the same here in the "cyber world" and yet, the opportunities to find acceptance are far greater! There is a reason he has no friends here. He does not possess even the most rudimentary social skills.
I have always preferred to believe that there is a place for everyone here among us. I want to believe that. Of course, there is always the odd loser than simply must make a name for himself through malfeasance. Why? I do not know. Perhaps an insatiable desire for some kind of superiority without substance? Perhaps a poor childhood? Clearly, the upbringing was less than sufficient as there is not even the slightest example of manners displayed. That is sad in and of itself.
He is absolutely correct, he can post wherever he wants and say almost anything. I have seen nothing that is "offensive" (other than his behavior in general) and I do not believe his urge to be noticed will dissipate anytime soon so I fear we are stuck with another thorn for a while. Ah, there must be two very proud parents somewhere in this world...... |
|
|
|
|
|
| [_strat_] Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:18:37 PM | |
|
It never stoped you before.
It is funny.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, April 05, 2009 5:16:43 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | As you wish, strat. Far be it from me to argue your definitive statement.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | It is funny...
IDK... This one is different than the others, I guess. Priest fan, for one. And he isnt really offensive either. On the contrary, he thinks we are offensive... IDK, but I just cant bring myself to press the button. The only thing is this arrogance, that he expects us to do what he says... But thats hardly offensive... Just dumb.
In any case, he provoked the Sinfull collective, and we know what that means... They are a sort of a nuclear weapon.
And it still is funny.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Unfortunately, there is nothing "funny" about it at all, Susan...(my apologies). It is pathetic. People that struggle to commune with others in their "real" lives have difficulty doing the same here in the "cyber world" and yet, the opportunities to find acceptance are far greater! There is a reason he has no friends here. He does not possess even the most rudimentary social skills.
I have always preferred to believe that there is a place for everyone here among us. I want to believe that. Of course, there is always the odd loser than simply must make a name for himself through malfeasance. Why? I do not know. Perhaps an insatiable desire for some kind of superiority without substance? Perhaps a poor childhood? Clearly, the upbringing was less than sufficient as there is not even the slightest example of manners displayed. That is sad in and of itself.
He is absolutely correct, he can post wherever he wants and say almost anything. I have seen nothing that is "offensive" (other than his behavior in general) and I do not believe his urge to be noticed will dissipate anytime soon so I fear we are stuck with another thorn for a while. Ah, there must be two very proud parents somewhere in this world...... |
|
|
|
|
