| [J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:54:21 PM | |
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hellrider I am with you...I should of said that "I do want another Painkiller"...but I don't think that the band "has it in them" anymore..god I hope I am wrong....
There would be nothing more I would enjoy than logging onto this web site with an "apology" for doubting Judas Priest. At least if that happens,I will have to admit I was wrong but at the same time I would get a killer Judas Priest album!
I wish I will have to apologize if there is going to be a next album???
I am "afraid" of Judas Priest......opening up a new CD from them and putting it on to listen to is like trying to cut the right wires to a "bomb". Its that scarry to me.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:41:14 PM)| |  | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | you know you want another painkiller 2 and sure as hell me to J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMAAAANNNNDDDDEEEERRRRRR
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Freeze,maybe its about "time" that the band "should" hang it up and call it a day. There will never be a Painkiller 2 or do I want a Painkiller part 2. But the band could of easily created another album
that is in the same vien as Angel Of Retribution without copying it. Instead,they chose an album that they knew would not please "long-time-fans" in Nostradamus.
That is thier choice,not ours.
I agree with you 99% but the other 1% leaves me with the thought of: " I would rather just see them retire NOW than put out another experimental album".Nostradamus has already done enough damage to old Priest fans.
I guess I am not as much as a Priest fan as everybody here...I'm probly the least Priest fan compared to all of you guys.
I don't want a "box of chocolates" for the next Judas Priest album..."Ya never know what your going to get"....
And if Rob is showing his signs of wear & tear especially on stage,then he needs to force Judas Priest into retirement. I am happy with that.I don't really want another Judas Priest album after what you just told us all,that scares me.
We will all have the memories,the concerts(I have'nt seen Judas Priest since 1988 Ram It Down Tour) and the albums. I do not own "Nostradamus" and I might never own it.
But I do have and love Angel Of Retribution,and if I get a Priest craving then I can always put it on and listen to it.
Again,after what you have told us about Rob on stage,I am cool with Judas Priest to retire,please do not let there be a next LP.
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:44:30 AM)
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I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:54:05 PM | |
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Well guys, PLEASE keep in mind that what I am saying here is strictly opinion. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that the Band would purposely do an album that they "knew" would be a disappointment. I mean, that makes no sense to me at all. Perhaps they were less interested in how it was received and more interested in how it was done? I have no idea but they are professionals and, as such, I am pretty sure they did Nostradamus with an eye towards selling it. In that regard, they would want the largest possible "buying" audience they could get, right?
I loved AoR. I really did. Great album. Don't care for every song but I can say that about pretty much every album. I don't have to like every song to think the album is great. As far as "damage" control, well...I do not believe they have done any damage. It is just one album. Again, just my opinion of course. As for Rob, I am prettty sure that anyone can have an "off night" but I see things that maybe not everyone else can see. Perhaps it is just age? Maybe he is not as healthy as he once was? Maybe he really is losing interest or just plain tired? I have NO idea because I do not know him personally. I saw the Band in 2005, 2006 and 2008. Each time I saw them, Rob seemed to labor and looked tired. The last time (Palms 2008) he seemed disinterested. Now, that is MY observation.
They still put on one helluva show. They are better than many bands these days half their age! They still play the classics and I still love to hear them, even though Rob's voice is not what it was thirty years ago. I understand that. I accept it. There are plenty of songs in their collection to thrill and entertain. Someday they will retire. Time marches on. I really hope they are not done yet. I have not lost "the faith" just yet!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:07:25 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Freeze,maybe its about "time" that the band "should" hang it up and call it a day. There will never be a Painkiller 2 or do I want a Painkiller part 2. But the band could of easily created another album
that is in the same vien as Angel Of Retribution without copying it. Instead,they chose an album that they knew would not please "long-time-fans" in Nostradamus.
That is thier choice,not ours.
I agree with you 99% but the other 1% leaves me with the thought of: " I would rather just see them retire NOW than put out another experimental album".Nostradamus has already done enough damage to old Priest fans.
I guess I am not as much as a Priest fan as everybody here...I'm probly the least Priest fan compared to all of you guys.
I don't want a "box of chocolates" for the next Judas Priest album..."Ya never know what your going to get"....
And if Rob is showing his signs of wear & tear especially on stage,then he needs to force Judas Priest into retirement. I am happy with that.I don't really want another Judas Priest album after what you just told us all,that scares me.
We will all have the memories,the concerts(I have'nt seen Judas Priest since 1988 Ram It Down Tour) and the albums. I do not own "Nostradamus" and I might never own it.
But I do have and love Angel Of Retribution,and if I get a Priest craving then I can always put it on and listen to it.
Again,after what you have told us about Rob on stage,I am cool with Judas Priest to retire,please do not let there be a next LP.
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:44:30 AM)
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I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [hellrider 31038] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:45:41 PM | |
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think positive freeze there will be a paaaaainkillllller 2
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:44:30 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [hellrider 31038] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:41:14 PM | |
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you know you want another painkiller 2 and sure as hell me to J.D DIAMOND THE COOOOMMMMMMAAAANNNNDDDDEEEERRRRRR
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:07:25 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Freeze,maybe its about "time" that the band "should" hang it up and call it a day. There will never be a Painkiller 2 or do I want a Painkiller part 2. But the band could of easily created another album
that is in the same vien as Angel Of Retribution without copying it. Instead,they chose an album that they knew would not please "long-time-fans" in Nostradamus.
That is thier choice,not ours.
I agree with you 99% but the other 1% leaves me with the thought of: " I would rather just see them retire NOW than put out another experimental album".Nostradamus has already done enough damage to old Priest fans.
I guess I am not as much as a Priest fan as everybody here...I'm probly the least Priest fan compared to all of you guys.
I don't want a "box of chocolates" for the next Judas Priest album..."Ya never know what your going to get"....
And if Rob is showing his signs of wear & tear especially on stage,then he needs to force Judas Priest into retirement. I am happy with that.I don't really want another Judas Priest album after what you just told us all,that scares me.
We will all have the memories,the concerts(I have'nt seen Judas Priest since 1988 Ram It Down Tour) and the albums. I do not own "Nostradamus" and I might never own it.
But I do have and love Angel Of Retribution,and if I get a Priest craving then I can always put it on and listen to it.
Again,after what you have told us about Rob on stage,I am cool with Judas Priest to retire,please do not let there be a next LP.
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:44:30 AM)
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I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [Necroticist] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:35:04 PM | |
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| DF hit the nail on the head - Rob looks bored with JP - maybe the solo stuff will be better - idk - here's hoiping tho. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:07:25 PM | |
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Freeze,maybe its about "time" that the band "should" hang it up and call it a day. There will never be a Painkiller 2 or do I want a Painkiller part 2. But the band could of easily created another album
that is in the same vien as Angel Of Retribution without copying it. Instead,they chose an album that they knew would not please "long-time-fans" in Nostradamus.
That is thier choice,not ours.
I agree with you 99% but the other 1% leaves me with the thought of: " I would rather just see them retire NOW than put out another experimental album".Nostradamus has already done enough damage to old Priest fans.
I guess I am not as much as a Priest fan as everybody here...I'm probly the least Priest fan compared to all of you guys.
I don't want a "box of chocolates" for the next Judas Priest album..."Ya never know what your going to get"....
And if Rob is showing his signs of wear & tear especially on stage,then he needs to force Judas Priest into retirement. I am happy with that.I don't really want another Judas Priest album after what you just told us all,that scares me.
We will all have the memories,the concerts(I have'nt seen Judas Priest since 1988 Ram It Down Tour) and the albums. I do not own "Nostradamus" and I might never own it.
But I do have and love Angel Of Retribution,and if I get a Priest craving then I can always put it on and listen to it.
Again,after what you have told us about Rob on stage,I am cool with Judas Priest to retire,please do not let there be a next LP.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:44:30 AM)
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I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:18:21 AM | |
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Well, yes, of course. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed Maiden, and I would go again, even for the same price. It just isnt a way to treat fans, imo. I dont think you get the same attitude there, at least I hope not. A lot of bands, when they come here, they usualy go along these lines: "Well, lets just play a couple of songs to these easterners, who cares about them anyway." Thats why we get shows (if we even get them in the first place) that rarely last more than an hour and a half, with the band looking downright bored, like theyre doing it just so they can move on to the next, more important show. Now, I guess we have to understand them - they play a lot of shows in a lot of places, but still... If anyone thinks that we will be prepared to pay money to get looked down on, they are terribly wrong. I know that it isnt an investment - I dont go to shows to have any financial benefits from it.
I hope Priest are different. I dont know if they are, but lets just hope.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:41:44 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, Ellieke! Well said, indeed.
Strat, so long as you make it a formula you will not be happy my friend. Breaking it down to a price per hour is not going to work out as a financially sound investment for your dollar (pound, lira, ruble, whatever.) This is entertainment, not a service. Sort of like gambling. I understand your point but you have to look at it as art. You pay a price for a piece. If they play longer, great. If they play shorter, so be it. You pay for the moment. That will never be a good "investment", especially when money is tight.
I look at it as a memory that I cannot put into a value. It remains with me forever..like the '79 show I mentioned. I may have paid twenty bucks for my ticket back then and it was a lot for me as a college student but I did it anyway.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Lol... Just dont make me say that Reagan was a good president, ok?
In any case, yeah, I hope so too. I hope they reschedule the show in Zagreb... But even then, if its during the work week, and costs more than 50 or 60€, then there is no way Im going. Fan or no fan, I remember Maiden - 55€ for an hour and a half. Robbery, if you ask me. And they were here - if I am going to drive for 2 hours in one direction, Priest better make a good show.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | AAARRRRGGGHHH!! NOOOOO!!!!!!! I take it ALL back!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!! You know strat, I really do hope you get the opportunity to see them once. In all the times that I have seen them, I will NEVER forget the 1979 show. Never. I don't think I have ever heard a voice like that before or since! Incredible.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree (oh, the TORTURE!!! lmao). If they had average jobs, they would be retiring by now. Well, maybe not Travis, but all the rest would.
I would like to see them live at least once, tho. I guess I would be the last generation. But... The CDs and the DVDs are immortal.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [Ellieke] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:52:49 AM | |
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My believe is , when you realy want something , go for it !
It's mayby a lot of money but start saving now and how knows 
I know how hard life can be , we have 4 kids and a grandson living at home , we had our share of "troubble" years , but we realy wanted to make it better and we did.
So, if you realy want to see them , save now , bit by bit , and you will enjoy every penny you payed for your ticket |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:41:44 AM | |
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Well said, Ellieke! Well said, indeed.
Strat, so long as you make it a formula you will not be happy my friend. Breaking it down to a price per hour is not going to work out as a financially sound investment for your dollar (pound, lira, ruble, whatever.) This is entertainment, not a service. Sort of like gambling. I understand your point but you have to look at it as art. You pay a price for a piece. If they play longer, great. If they play shorter, so be it. You pay for the moment. That will never be a good "investment", especially when money is tight.
I look at it as a memory that I cannot put into a value. It remains with me forever..like the '79 show I mentioned. I may have paid twenty bucks for my ticket back then and it was a lot for me as a college student but I did it anyway.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:07:00 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Lol... Just dont make me say that Reagan was a good president, ok?
In any case, yeah, I hope so too. I hope they reschedule the show in Zagreb... But even then, if its during the work week, and costs more than 50 or 60€, then there is no way Im going. Fan or no fan, I remember Maiden - 55€ for an hour and a half. Robbery, if you ask me. And they were here - if I am going to drive for 2 hours in one direction, Priest better make a good show.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | AAARRRRGGGHHH!! NOOOOO!!!!!!! I take it ALL back!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!! You know strat, I really do hope you get the opportunity to see them once. In all the times that I have seen them, I will NEVER forget the 1979 show. Never. I don't think I have ever heard a voice like that before or since! Incredible.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree (oh, the TORTURE!!! lmao). If they had average jobs, they would be retiring by now. Well, maybe not Travis, but all the rest would.
I would like to see them live at least once, tho. I guess I would be the last generation. But... The CDs and the DVDs are immortal.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [Ellieke] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:23:44 AM | |
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It's like Deep Freeze said , they won't be touring forever , there will be a day that they have to stop or drop dead on stage ( let's hope that doesn't happen) but aslong as they are here for us , let us just enjoy what they bring us.
They will never die in my heart so , just live your life to the fullest and fill your days with laughter and music , JP music !!
JP 4 ever in my heart ! |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:07:00 AM | |
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Lol... Just dont make me say that Reagan was a good president, ok?
In any case, yeah, I hope so too. I hope they reschedule the show in Zagreb... But even then, if its during the work week, and costs more than 50 or 60€, then there is no way Im going. Fan or no fan, I remember Maiden - 55€ for an hour and a half. Robbery, if you ask me. And they were here - if I am going to drive for 2 hours in one direction, Priest better make a good show.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:52:19 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | AAARRRRGGGHHH!! NOOOOO!!!!!!! I take it ALL back!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!! You know strat, I really do hope you get the opportunity to see them once. In all the times that I have seen them, I will NEVER forget the 1979 show. Never. I don't think I have ever heard a voice like that before or since! Incredible.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree (oh, the TORTURE!!! lmao). If they had average jobs, they would be retiring by now. Well, maybe not Travis, but all the rest would.
I would like to see them live at least once, tho. I guess I would be the last generation. But... The CDs and the DVDs are immortal.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:52:19 AM | |
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AAARRRRGGGHHH!! NOOOOO!!!!!!! I take it ALL back!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!! You know strat, I really do hope you get the opportunity to see them once. In all the times that I have seen them, I will NEVER forget the 1979 show. Never. I don't think I have ever heard a voice like that before or since! Incredible.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:48:40 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | I agree (oh, the TORTURE!!! lmao). If they had average jobs, they would be retiring by now. Well, maybe not Travis, but all the rest would.
I would like to see them live at least once, tho. I guess I would be the last generation. But... The CDs and the DVDs are immortal.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:48:40 AM | |
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I agree (oh, the TORTURE!!! lmao). If they had average jobs, they would be retiring by now. Well, maybe not Travis, but all the rest would.
I would like to see them live at least once, tho. I guess I would be the last generation. But... The CDs and the DVDs are immortal.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:44:30 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:44:30 AM | |
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I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories. |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:23:57 AM | |
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| JD, probably 50% would LOL |
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| [Ellieke] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:43:25 AM | |
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Everybody has his or her opinion, for me it's easy
As long as Rob sings and the band plays I'll be a fan. Not for their work in de future because we can't know what the future will bring , but for the things they did and brought us in the past. |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 6:23:52 AM | |
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Yup. "Ancient forest of Elves" is a masterpiece. Very melodic, a lot of great guitar licks... Just the way I like it.
Manowar & Rhapsody, eh? Well, I guess I can hope invain that they stop anywhere close... But since they probably wont, I will jsut content myself with CDs...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:04:38 AM)| | | Necroticist wrote: | | Strange comparison...anyway - Luca Turilli solo is bloody amazing too, either under own name or with DreamQuest...last i heard they were touring with Manowar (Rhapsody i mean)
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, most metal bands have some Priest in them. I mentioned Rhapsody because they orchestrate their songs a lot, and have medieval - heroic fantasy themes... Nostradamus just reminds me of them.
| | | Necroticist wrote: | | OMG! u hit my heart strings....power metal sings to me....stratovarius, rhapsody etc....but is obvious in most they have a JP influence
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Do we? I just type whatever the voices tell me.
But yeah... Im a power metal fan, as is well known, and Nostradamus to me is a step into the direction of the bands like Rhapsody of Fire... Which is great, as far as Im concerned.
| | | Necroticist wrote: | | Good to hear mate - shows we all have our own opinions.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... I will be the devils advocate here, I guess... I hope that the next Priest album will be something very close to Nostradamus.
I love Nostradamus, great sound, great theme, great songs... Ok, too many interludes, but that aside, I think it eats AOR: |
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| [Phantom A6] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:14:47 AM | |
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Ts, ts, ts, ts, ts... 
I'm going to kick their ass if they do it!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:48:26 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I think that Judas Priest could release an album exactly like "The Culture Club" and 99% of fans on this forum would say "ITS BRILLIANT" and our JP can do no wrong!!! lol!
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:10:47 AM | |
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Don't be to sure DelivererofEvil,....don't be to sure. It would'nt suprise me in the least at this point.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:08:16 AM)| | | DelivererofEvil wrote: | | Not true J.D.
Because they'd never release such an album! 
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I think that Judas Priest could release an album exactly like "The Culture Club" and 99% of fans on this forum would say "ITS BRILLIANT" and our JP can do no wrong!!! lol!
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| [DelivererofEvil] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:08:16 AM | |
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Not true J.D.
Because they'd never release such an album!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:48:26 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I think that Judas Priest could release an album exactly like "The Culture Club" and 99% of fans on this forum would say "ITS BRILLIANT" and our JP can do no wrong!!! lol!
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