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And that is just fine with me, my friend. I have no problem with your opinion. It is yours and you are entitled. I will continue to enjoy some of their old music and you can hate them. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Honestly, it is not that big of a deal. I am not a die-hard Metallica fan. I like some of their stuff. Mostly their old music from the albums you mentioned prior to 'Justice. There is a song or two I like from the Black album but, by and large, I do not care for their stuff these days. As far as their "look"...well, it does not bother me at all. I mean, take a close look at ME!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! One of the nurses at my doctor's office was listening to Raw Steel one day while I was there and she said, "You would never know it to look at you that you do this kind of music..." SO true!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, May 01, 2009 3:14:38 PM)| |  | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I have to "respectfully dis-agree" with you and Head Banger here Freeze...as yes I do condem Metallica's "image" as it "suks".....
...but most importantly...I in my personal opinion "hate" Metallica's "MUSIC". If you guys like Metallica's "music" after 'And Justice For All"(1988) then I am not bashing you guys persnally at all,but it is the "MUSIC" first that I can't take after the album "And Justice For All". I don't think that thier music from "The Black Album" reflects anything from the 1980's,for me its way to "watered down" and un-like And Justice...and of course before that album.
The Black Album,Load,Re-Load,St.Anger and Death Magnetic ...all 5 album's music is what I am trashing here...thier 'image" is the "ICING ON THE CAKE" for me.
Again,if you guys like some of thier music after the album "And Justice..."..then I am not saying that you guys suck(lol!)...but I just wanted to make it clear that I am bashing Metallica's music first,thats why I hate this band.
To me,they created a "cult" following in making the albums "Kill 'Em All"........"Ride The Lightning"......."Master Of Puppets".....and ...eh...even .."And Justice For All".....all 4 albums they summoned a cult classic metal following ....
...and then with the "Black Album"...they waded up thier long time fans who crave this Metallica sound and threw them in the garbage and said "Metal is over guys...get over it". Lars actually said this on MTV.
That is why I hate this band,and as I've mentioned above...thier "image" is the real icing on the cake.
They had a metal image when they wrote killer metal albums,and they have a non-metal image now they do not write killer metal albums.
Just like Priest with "Turbo"...they did not have a killer metal image with Turbo.
But I understand what your saying here Freeze,just wanted to make clear why I hate them. Music first.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | So here's the thing, I do not "hate" Metallica. I do not hate Rick Springfield. I do not hate Snoop Dog. Seems like a bit of an overreaction to a band, for me.
Back in the early 80's, Metallica was it. They were the only real Metal band that was not "selling out" to high hair and lipstick. They put out some GREAT music. In fact, I even like a song or two from Black. The majority of their music today is really self-indulgent and kind of just a re-hash of all they have done over the years. They are not what they were, I agree.
I really could not care less about their haircuts. I know our beloved JD is concerned about aesthetics and I understand that. I really prefer to listen to the music first. While a "look" is important, I like to take the music for what it is and go from there. In the case of Metallica, they are great musicians and they have some wonderful material. They have a strong, loyal following, just as Priest has. I do not mean to suggest they are anything close to our boys but they are not "crap". They are not "sell outs". They have just reached a point where they are writing music that does not appeal to as large a group as they did twenty years ago. (Hmmm...can anyone say 'Nostradamus'???)
I have done some old Metallica covers. They have some timeless songs. I do not see myself buying their newest album or really anything after the Black album but I do not agree that they "suck".
Here is our version of Whiplash. I think that is one of those songs that is always worth "cranking up"......!!
http://www.acidplanet.com/components/embedfile.asp?asset=1228284&T=5459
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, May 01, 2009 3:14:38 PM | |
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I have to "respectfully dis-agree" with you and Head Banger here Freeze...as yes I do condem Metallica's "image" as it "suks".....
...but most importantly...I in my personal opinion "hate" Metallica's "MUSIC". If you guys like Metallica's "music" after 'And Justice For All"(1988) then I am not bashing you guys persnally at all,but it is the "MUSIC" first that I can't take after the album "And Justice For All". I don't think that thier music from "The Black Album" reflects anything from the 1980's,for me its way to "watered down" and un-like And Justice...and of course before that album.
The Black Album,Load,Re-Load,St.Anger and Death Magnetic ...all 5 album's music is what I am trashing here...thier 'image" is the "ICING ON THE CAKE" for me.
Again,if you guys like some of thier music after the album "And Justice..."..then I am not saying that you guys suck(lol!)...but I just wanted to make it clear that I am bashing Metallica's music first,thats why I hate this band.
To me,they created a "cult" following in making the albums "Kill 'Em All"........"Ride The Lightning"......."Master Of Puppets".....and ...eh...even .."And Justice For All".....all 4 albums they summoned a cult classic metal following ....
...and then with the "Black Album"...they waded up thier long time fans who crave this Metallica sound and threw them in the garbage and said "Metal is over guys...get over it". Lars actually said this on MTV.
That is why I hate this band,and as I've mentioned above...thier "image" is the real icing on the cake.
They had a metal image when they wrote killer metal albums,and they have a non-metal image now they do not write killer metal albums.
Just like Priest with "Turbo"...they did not have a killer metal image with Turbo.
But I understand what your saying here Freeze,just wanted to make clear why I hate them. Music first.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, May 01, 2009 9:12:55 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | So here's the thing, I do not "hate" Metallica. I do not hate Rick Springfield. I do not hate Snoop Dog. Seems like a bit of an overreaction to a band, for me.
Back in the early 80's, Metallica was it. They were the only real Metal band that was not "selling out" to high hair and lipstick. They put out some GREAT music. In fact, I even like a song or two from Black. The majority of their music today is really self-indulgent and kind of just a re-hash of all they have done over the years. They are not what they were, I agree.
I really could not care less about their haircuts. I know our beloved JD is concerned about aesthetics and I understand that. I really prefer to listen to the music first. While a "look" is important, I like to take the music for what it is and go from there. In the case of Metallica, they are great musicians and they have some wonderful material. They have a strong, loyal following, just as Priest has. I do not mean to suggest they are anything close to our boys but they are not "crap". They are not "sell outs". They have just reached a point where they are writing music that does not appeal to as large a group as they did twenty years ago. (Hmmm...can anyone say 'Nostradamus'???)
I have done some old Metallica covers. They have some timeless songs. I do not see myself buying their newest album or really anything after the Black album but I do not agree that they "suck".
Here is our version of Whiplash. I think that is one of those songs that is always worth "cranking up"......!!
http://www.acidplanet.com/components/embedfile.asp?asset=1228284&T=5459
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| [Head banger] Friday, May 01, 2009 9:54:09 AM | |
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well said.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, May 01, 2009 9:12:55 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | So here's the thing, I do not "hate" Metallica. I do not hate Rick Springfield. I do not hate Snoop Dog. Seems like a bit of an overreaction to a band, for me.
Back in the early 80's, Metallica was it. They were the only real Metal band that was not "selling out" to high hair and lipstick. They put out some GREAT music. In fact, I even like a song or two from Black. The majority of their music today is really self-indulgent and kind of just a re-hash of all they have done over the years. They are not what they were, I agree.
I really could not care less about their haircuts. I know our beloved JD is concerned about aesthetics and I understand that. I really prefer to listen to the music first. While a "look" is important, I like to take the music for what it is and go from there. In the case of Metallica, they are great musicians and they have some wonderful material. They have a strong, loyal following, just as Priest has. I do not mean to suggest they are anything close to our boys but they are not "crap". They are not "sell outs". They have just reached a point where they are writing music that does not appeal to as large a group as they did twenty years ago. (Hmmm...can anyone say 'Nostradamus'???)
I have done some old Metallica covers. They have some timeless songs. I do not see myself buying their newest album or really anything after the Black album but I do not agree that they "suck".
Here is our version of Whiplash. I think that is one of those songs that is always worth "cranking up"......!!
http://www.acidplanet.com/components/embedfile.asp?asset=1228284&T=5459
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, May 01, 2009 9:12:55 AM | |
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So here's the thing, I do not "hate" Metallica. I do not hate Rick Springfield. I do not hate Snoop Dog. Seems like a bit of an overreaction to a band, for me.
Back in the early 80's, Metallica was it. They were the only real Metal band that was not "selling out" to high hair and lipstick. They put out some GREAT music. In fact, I even like a song or two from Black. The majority of their music today is really self-indulgent and kind of just a re-hash of all they have done over the years. They are not what they were, I agree.
I really could not care less about their haircuts. I know our beloved JD is concerned about aesthetics and I understand that. I really prefer to listen to the music first. While a "look" is important, I like to take the music for what it is and go from there. In the case of Metallica, they are great musicians and they have some wonderful material. They have a strong, loyal following, just as Priest has. I do not mean to suggest they are anything close to our boys but they are not "crap". They are not "sell outs". They have just reached a point where they are writing music that does not appeal to as large a group as they did twenty years ago. (Hmmm...can anyone say 'Nostradamus'???)
I have done some old Metallica covers. They have some timeless songs. I do not see myself buying their newest album or really anything after the Black album but I do not agree that they "suck".
Here is our version of Whiplash. I think that is one of those songs that is always worth "cranking up"......!!
http://www.acidplanet.com/components/embedfile.asp?asset=1228284&T=5459
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| [devils_child] Friday, May 01, 2009 7:17:00 AM | |
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What the hell is that?? ....... man Shitallica isn't even on my radar anymore.... I pretend they don't exist.. makes my musical life easier...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:48:10 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | 
Look at this poor excuse for a "metal band"? What kind of image for metal is this bullshit? Metallica turned out to be the worst metal band there ever was,and probly ever will be. Being into "metal" in 1983 at the age of "13" I was around in the true metal era and was raised on metal's philosophy,ideology and aesthetics.Metallica used to be a band that defended this "law" of codes,and now they are the example of "what not to be" for new up-coming metal bands.
I fucking hate this band with a passion,they are true back-stabbers and betrayers to the max. Shame on them for posing as a metal band,and shame on anyone who likes this band in this day and age.If there was a lower grade than an "F" I would give it to Metallica. Yuk.
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| [Ellieke] Friday, May 01, 2009 7:14:47 AM | |
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On the picture they look like bad strippers.
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| [Head banger] Friday, May 01, 2009 7:11:02 AM | |
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JT, welcome back. no they cant have scott, priest needs him!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Friday, May 01, 2009 6:31:40 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | | Yeah i never really liked Metallica either, i would take Priest over every band any day though =P. However some songs i like and i'll admit it. Leper Messiah is probably my favourite that song really owns! There are a few others but can't be bothred to mention them. Lars really lets them down he sucks as a modern metal drummer now. Replace Lars with Scott and wey hey! I hope Priest will give us another album i pray to God they do. I love Nostradamus really really love it but i want to hear another diamond amongst the rust another Painkiller or something on Jugulator heaviness but less cheesy. Give us some more awesome drumming Scott!!! Priest dominates! |
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Friday, May 01, 2009 6:31:40 AM | |
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| Yeah i never really liked Metallica either, i would take Priest over every band any day though =P. However some songs i like and i'll admit it. Leper Messiah is probably my favourite that song really owns! There are a few others but can't be bothred to mention them. Lars really lets them down he sucks as a modern metal drummer now. Replace Lars with Scott and wey hey! I hope Priest will give us another album i pray to God they do. I love Nostradamus really really love it but i want to hear another diamond amongst the rust another Painkiller or something on Jugulator heaviness but less cheesy. Give us some more awesome drumming Scott!!! Priest dominates! |
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| [Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, April 16, 2009 9:25:30 PM | |
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Holy crapola!! THIS is present-day Metallica?!? Oh, man...one could easily mistake them for some other, non-metal band.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:48:10 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | |
Look at this poor excuse for a "metal band"? What kind of image for metal is this bullshit? Metallica turned out to be the worst metal band there ever was,and probly ever will be. Being into "metal" in 1983 at the age of "13" I was around in the true metal era and was raised on metal's philosophy,ideology and aesthetics.Metallica used to be a band that defended this "law" of codes,and now they are the example of "what not to be" for new up-coming metal bands.
I fucking hate this band with a passion,they are true back-stabbers and betrayers to the max. Shame on them for posing as a metal band,and shame on anyone who likes this band in this day and age.If there was a lower grade than an "F" I would give it to Metallica. Yuk.
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| [jimmyjames] Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:50:47 PM | |
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You're right, what a bunch of fucking tossers. Should be inducted in the Rock n Roll Hall of Lame.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:48:10 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | |
Look at this poor excuse for a "metal band"? What kind of image for metal is this bullshit? Metallica turned out to be the worst metal band there ever was,and probly ever will be. Being into "metal" in 1983 at the age of "13" I was around in the true metal era and was raised on metal's philosophy,ideology and aesthetics.Metallica used to be a band that defended this "law" of codes,and now they are the example of "what not to be" for new up-coming metal bands.
I fucking hate this band with a passion,they are true back-stabbers and betrayers to the max. Shame on them for posing as a metal band,and shame on anyone who likes this band in this day and age.If there was a lower grade than an "F" I would give it to Metallica. Yuk.
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| [guidogodoy] Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:26:42 PM | |
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I agree with you here on an great number of points. Once, they were GODS to me. Saddest part of all.
In that pic, Trujillo is the only one who doesn't look completely goofy. Might just have to put on some Suicidal Tendencies in his honor.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:48:10 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | |
Look at this poor excuse for a "metal band"? What kind of image for metal is this bullshit? Metallica turned out to be the worst metal band there ever was,and probly ever will be. Being into "metal" in 1983 at the age of "13" I was around in the true metal era and was raised on metal's philosophy,ideology and aesthetics.Metallica used to be a band that defended this "law" of codes,and now they are the example of "what not to be" for new up-coming metal bands.
I fucking hate this band with a passion,they are true back-stabbers and betrayers to the max. Shame on them for posing as a metal band,and shame on anyone who likes this band in this day and age.If there was a lower grade than an "F" I would give it to Metallica. Yuk.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:48:10 PM | |
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Look at this poor excuse for a "metal band"? What kind of image for metal is this bullshit? Metallica turned out to be the worst metal band there ever was,and probly ever will be. Being into "metal" in 1983 at the age of "13" I was around in the true metal era and was raised on metal's philosophy,ideology and aesthetics.Metallica used to be a band that defended this "law" of codes,and now they are the example of "what not to be" for new up-coming metal bands.
I fucking hate this band with a passion,they are true back-stabbers and betrayers to the max. Shame on them for posing as a metal band,and shame on anyone who likes this band in this day and age.If there was a lower grade than an "F" I would give it to Metallica. Yuk.
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| [Maple Syrup] Thursday, April 02, 2009 1:48:19 PM | |
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| Wow that Some Kind of Monster DVD from 2001 blew total ass. What were they (Metallica) thinking? They really had some bad albums after their heads grew way too big from the Black Album which sucks too.. |
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| [Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, April 02, 2009 11:07:18 AM | |
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Bass doesn't make albums great (unless your like Geezer Butler haha) but the Justice album defniitly would have been a lot better with better production.
Bring James vocals more up front.
Make the drums 5 fuckin times louder.
Put some goddamn Mid on the guitars and make them like the first three albums.
And most importantly, include the fucking bass this time!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:57:18 PM)| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Has anybody noticed that And Justice for All.... is always credited as a great album, yet the bass is almost inaudible. |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:55:29 PM | |
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perhaps its more easily enjoyed if you didnt have the early stuff first??? I was never that into metalica in the 80's so I can handle the black album, some is good.
Say waht we might about metalica, over the years how many instrumental covers do they have? must be something?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:13:44 PM)| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | I enjoyed the Black album for what it was. It had some ballads and rock tunes for sure but it did have some heavy as shit songs. Like Through The Never, I'd say is the closest to the good Metallica, Sad But True is heavy as fuck. Enter Sandman is catchy but lyrically it's not amazing. The rest is kinda meh after the first few tunes.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | icecreamman is right in my opinion Darth...even though Hetfield and Ulrich forged Metallica's sound....it was "Cliff" who had the right attitude supporting his denim and the band's thrash metal image,and in keeping thier sound the way it was....Cliff always said he did'nt want to "change" at all.Metallica is the worst disappointment the metal industry has ever seen in my opinion. The band's first 3 albums kick ass...thier 4th "And Justice For All"..was ok...then starting from the "Black Album"..and up to now...they are absolutely terrible.
| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | I don't about that. I think the band wanted to expand their musical horizons and they found a willing producer in Bob Rock. ...And Justice for All isn't a bad album either, as it was my introduction to the band.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | You know it is kind of funny that Metallica are betrayers of metal, yet they have Metal in their name. What a joke.
When I first heard Kill em' All and Ride the Lightning , I thought they were amazing, and then I heard their newer stuff. IT SUCKS.
Cliff was the heart and soul of early metallica.
Metallica died with Cliff.
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Haha yeah good old spelling errors. I don't check half of what I write anyway haha. Rob does write from the heart in Priest too, he just creates a mini story in most of the songs.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Uh, Joe, I think I agree with you but I don't know about Halford being Wicker. LOL I love them, and that's all that matters. Rob writes from the heart with them. and I wish Priest would give him carte blanch to do that too! Why the hell not. That was the whole point I was getting at. Just a little chicken to come right out with it! LOL
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Why do you had to admit liking the Halford band? The were freakin' wicker. As well as Fight too. Here's looking forward to Halford 4 if it ever sees the light of day.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have to agree, except for Loch, it was the better of the two. And this is something I hate to admit, but I Love Halford! Real, in your face metal! Great lyrics! This is what happens when Halford writes for himself? Then it's awesome! Let him to it!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes I agree,but still Nostradamus is an OVERKILL. If they would of shortened it up to 10 tracks,with a variety of songs than it would of been better.There are not a variety of songs...it all swings to the slower side and is one dimensional in my opinion.And at this late in the band's career..I think its a shame that they want to "evolve"...I think that 'Angel Of Retribution" is a perfect Judas Priest album with a little bit of everything the fans wanted.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Only one thing in Priest's defence, they have always evolved. The only period I can think they didn't evolve well enough was Defenders, being SFV's twin almost, and well turbo just seemed to be catering to a larger audience than their core. Nos, is an album of verteran rockers who decided to tackle something different and it does stand alone as a good work. Is it Painkiller? No. But if everything they made sounded exactly the same we wouldn't like them.
Metallica is just sad. They just seemed to have lost an edge and a desire to do more. Trying to divorce yourself from your true roots is a joke.
Ever listened to Disturbed? Relatively new band, older stuff is a work in progress and their effort last year was truely awesome. I hope they continue to evolve as well, but not forget their roots.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Exactly spapad,exactly!! I think this about "Nostradamus" as well.Don't get me wrong here...Nostradamus is far better than any lame Metallica album by far,but it is the same thing here what were talking about.The "world" is not craving "Nostradamus" from Judas Priest......they are craving a "British Steel" and a "Angel Of Retribution" or a "Painkiller"...not something so different that it covers up your favorite band's "SOUND".
The world is not craving a shitty Metallica album like "Death Magnetic"...they are craving an album like "Ride The Lightning". No question.
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What a fuckin joke this band has turned out to be.They are the laughing stock of all time in the black/death metal underground.
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| [icecreamman] Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:57:18 PM | |
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| [Bazookajoe_666] Wednesday, April 01, 2009 12:13:44 PM | |
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I enjoyed the Black album for what it was. It had some ballads and rock tunes for sure but it did have some heavy as shit songs. Like Through The Never, I'd say is the closest to the good Metallica, Sad But True is heavy as fuck. Enter Sandman is catchy but lyrically it's not amazing. The rest is kinda meh after the first few tunes.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:53:31 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | icecreamman is right in my opinion Darth...even though Hetfield and Ulrich forged Metallica's sound....it was "Cliff" who had the right attitude supporting his denim and the band's thrash metal image,and in keeping thier sound the way it was....Cliff always said he did'nt want to "change" at all.Metallica is the worst disappointment the metal industry has ever seen in my opinion. The band's first 3 albums kick ass...thier 4th "And Justice For All"..was ok...then starting from the "Black Album"..and up to now...they are absolutely terrible.
| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | I don't about that. I think the band wanted to expand their musical horizons and they found a willing producer in Bob Rock. ...And Justice for All isn't a bad album either, as it was my introduction to the band.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | You know it is kind of funny that Metallica are betrayers of metal, yet they have Metal in their name. What a joke.
When I first heard Kill em' All and Ride the Lightning , I thought they were amazing, and then I heard their newer stuff. IT SUCKS.
Cliff was the heart and soul of early metallica.
Metallica died with Cliff.
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Haha yeah good old spelling errors. I don't check half of what I write anyway haha. Rob does write from the heart in Priest too, he just creates a mini story in most of the songs.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Uh, Joe, I think I agree with you but I don't know about Halford being Wicker. LOL I love them, and that's all that matters. Rob writes from the heart with them. and I wish Priest would give him carte blanch to do that too! Why the hell not. That was the whole point I was getting at. Just a little chicken to come right out with it! LOL
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Why do you had to admit liking the Halford band? The were freakin' wicker. As well as Fight too. Here's looking forward to Halford 4 if it ever sees the light of day.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have to agree, except for Loch, it was the better of the two. And this is something I hate to admit, but I Love Halford! Real, in your face metal! Great lyrics! This is what happens when Halford writes for himself? Then it's awesome! Let him to it!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes I agree,but still Nostradamus is an OVERKILL. If they would of shortened it up to 10 tracks,with a variety of songs than it would of been better.There are not a variety of songs...it all swings to the slower side and is one dimensional in my opinion.And at this late in the band's career..I think its a shame that they want to "evolve"...I think that 'Angel Of Retribution" is a perfect Judas Priest album with a little bit of everything the fans wanted.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Only one thing in Priest's defence, they have always evolved. The only period I can think they didn't evolve well enough was Defenders, being SFV's twin almost, and well turbo just seemed to be catering to a larger audience than their core. Nos, is an album of verteran rockers who decided to tackle something different and it does stand alone as a good work. Is it Painkiller? No. But if everything they made sounded exactly the same we wouldn't like them.
Metallica is just sad. They just seemed to have lost an edge and a desire to do more. Trying to divorce yourself from your true roots is a joke.
Ever listened to Disturbed? Relatively new band, older stuff is a work in progress and their effort last year was truely awesome. I hope they continue to evolve as well, but not forget their roots.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Exactly spapad,exactly!! I think this about "Nostradamus" as well.Don't get me wrong here...Nostradamus is far better than any lame Metallica album by far,but it is the same thing here what were talking about.The "world" is not craving "Nostradamus" from Judas Priest......they are craving a "British Steel" and a "Angel Of Retribution" or a "Painkiller"...not something so different that it covers up your favorite band's "SOUND".
The world is not craving a shitty Metallica album like "Death Magnetic"...they are craving an album like "Ride The Lightning". No question.
(Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:27:31 PM)
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Sounds like a band that got too big for their own good. Why do bands think that to move forward and "sophisticate their sound" means it's what the world is craving? I understand experimentation, but they are just throwing out shit now I wouldn't play in a million years. Young people buy it because of brand band recognition, not because they true appriciate the band. IMO
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Yeah spapad,what a joke in I think 1996? When Lars came out on MTV awards and said: "Metal is dead people"......"Get Over It".
What a fuckin joke this band has turned out to be.They are the laughing stock of all time in the black/death metal underground.
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They were great in their day though! Ride the Lightening! Fantastic album!
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its okay man i forgive you .lol.yeah they went from in your face heavy metal to total crap. METAL BETRAYERSSSSSSSSSS.yeah it is a real shame they were a great band.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, March 31, 2009 4:53:31 PM | |
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icecreamman is right in my opinion Darth...even though Hetfield and Ulrich forged Metallica's sound....it was "Cliff" who had the right attitude supporting his denim and the band's thrash metal image,and in keeping thier sound the way it was....Cliff always said he did'nt want to "change" at all.Metallica is the worst disappointment the metal industry has ever seen in my opinion. The band's first 3 albums kick ass...thier 4th "And Justice For All"..was ok...then starting from the "Black Album"..and up to now...they are absolutely terrible.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:58:52 PM)| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | I don't about that. I think the band wanted to expand their musical horizons and they found a willing producer in Bob Rock. ...And Justice for All isn't a bad album either, as it was my introduction to the band.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | You know it is kind of funny that Metallica are betrayers of metal, yet they have Metal in their name. What a joke.
When I first heard Kill em' All and Ride the Lightning , I thought they were amazing, and then I heard their newer stuff. IT SUCKS.
Cliff was the heart and soul of early metallica.
Metallica died with Cliff.
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Haha yeah good old spelling errors. I don't check half of what I write anyway haha. Rob does write from the heart in Priest too, he just creates a mini story in most of the songs.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Uh, Joe, I think I agree with you but I don't know about Halford being Wicker. LOL I love them, and that's all that matters. Rob writes from the heart with them. and I wish Priest would give him carte blanch to do that too! Why the hell not. That was the whole point I was getting at. Just a little chicken to come right out with it! LOL
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Why do you had to admit liking the Halford band? The were freakin' wicker. As well as Fight too. Here's looking forward to Halford 4 if it ever sees the light of day.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have to agree, except for Loch, it was the better of the two. And this is something I hate to admit, but I Love Halford! Real, in your face metal! Great lyrics! This is what happens when Halford writes for himself? Then it's awesome! Let him to it!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes I agree,but still Nostradamus is an OVERKILL. If they would of shortened it up to 10 tracks,with a variety of songs than it would of been better.There are not a variety of songs...it all swings to the slower side and is one dimensional in my opinion.And at this late in the band's career..I think its a shame that they want to "evolve"...I think that 'Angel Of Retribution" is a perfect Judas Priest album with a little bit of everything the fans wanted.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Only one thing in Priest's defence, they have always evolved. The only period I can think they didn't evolve well enough was Defenders, being SFV's twin almost, and well turbo just seemed to be catering to a larger audience than their core. Nos, is an album of verteran rockers who decided to tackle something different and it does stand alone as a good work. Is it Painkiller? No. But if everything they made sounded exactly the same we wouldn't like them.
Metallica is just sad. They just seemed to have lost an edge and a desire to do more. Trying to divorce yourself from your true roots is a joke.
Ever listened to Disturbed? Relatively new band, older stuff is a work in progress and their effort last year was truely awesome. I hope they continue to evolve as well, but not forget their roots.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Exactly spapad,exactly!! I think this about "Nostradamus" as well.Don't get me wrong here...Nostradamus is far better than any lame Metallica album by far,but it is the same thing here what were talking about.The "world" is not craving "Nostradamus" from Judas Priest......they are craving a "British Steel" and a "Angel Of Retribution" or a "Painkiller"...not something so different that it covers up your favorite band's "SOUND".
The world is not craving a shitty Metallica album like "Death Magnetic"...they are craving an album like "Ride The Lightning". No question.
(Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:27:31 PM)
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Sounds like a band that got too big for their own good. Why do bands think that to move forward and "sophisticate their sound" means it's what the world is craving? I understand experimentation, but they are just throwing out shit now I wouldn't play in a million years. Young people buy it because of brand band recognition, not because they true appriciate the band. IMO
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Yeah spapad,what a joke in I think 1996? When Lars came out on MTV awards and said: "Metal is dead people"......"Get Over It".
What a fuckin joke this band has turned out to be.They are the laughing stock of all time in the black/death metal underground.
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They were great in their day though! Ride the Lightening! Fantastic album!
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its okay man i forgive you .lol.yeah they went from in your face heavy metal to total crap. METAL BETRAYERSSSSSSSSSS.yeah it is a real shame they were a great band.
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:58:52 PM | |
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I don't about that. I think the band wanted to expand their musical horizons and they found a willing producer in Bob Rock. ...And Justice for All isn't a bad album either, as it was my introduction to the band.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:20:18 PM)| | | icecreamman wrote: | | You know it is kind of funny that Metallica are betrayers of metal, yet they have Metal in their name. What a joke.
When I first heard Kill em' All and Ride the Lightning , I thought they were amazing, and then I heard their newer stuff. IT SUCKS.
Cliff was the heart and soul of early metallica.
Metallica died with Cliff.
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Haha yeah good old spelling errors. I don't check half of what I write anyway haha. Rob does write from the heart in Priest too, he just creates a mini story in most of the songs.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Uh, Joe, I think I agree with you but I don't know about Halford being Wicker. LOL I love them, and that's all that matters. Rob writes from the heart with them. and I wish Priest would give him carte blanch to do that too! Why the hell not. That was the whole point I was getting at. Just a little chicken to come right out with it! LOL
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Why do you had to admit liking the Halford band? The were freakin' wicker. As well as Fight too. Here's looking forward to Halford 4 if it ever sees the light of day.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have to agree, except for Loch, it was the better of the two. And this is something I hate to admit, but I Love Halford! Real, in your face metal! Great lyrics! This is what happens when Halford writes for himself? Then it's awesome! Let him to it!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes I agree,but still Nostradamus is an OVERKILL. If they would of shortened it up to 10 tracks,with a variety of songs than it would of been better.There are not a variety of songs...it all swings to the slower side and is one dimensional in my opinion.And at this late in the band's career..I think its a shame that they want to "evolve"...I think that 'Angel Of Retribution" is a perfect Judas Priest album with a little bit of everything the fans wanted.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Only one thing in Priest's defence, they have always evolved. The only period I can think they didn't evolve well enough was Defenders, being SFV's twin almost, and well turbo just seemed to be catering to a larger audience than their core. Nos, is an album of verteran rockers who decided to tackle something different and it does stand alone as a good work. Is it Painkiller? No. But if everything they made sounded exactly the same we wouldn't like them.
Metallica is just sad. They just seemed to have lost an edge and a desire to do more. Trying to divorce yourself from your true roots is a joke.
Ever listened to Disturbed? Relatively new band, older stuff is a work in progress and their effort last year was truely awesome. I hope they continue to evolve as well, but not forget their roots.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Exactly spapad,exactly!! I think this about "Nostradamus" as well.Don't get me wrong here...Nostradamus is far better than any lame Metallica album by far,but it is the same thing here what were talking about.The "world" is not craving "Nostradamus" from Judas Priest......they are craving a "British Steel" and a "Angel Of Retribution" or a "Painkiller"...not something so different that it covers up your favorite band's "SOUND".
The world is not craving a shitty Metallica album like "Death Magnetic"...they are craving an album like "Ride The Lightning". No question.
(Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:27:31 PM)
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spapad wrote: |
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Sounds like a band that got too big for their own good. Why do bands think that to move forward and "sophisticate their sound" means it's what the world is craving? I understand experimentation, but they are just throwing out shit now I wouldn't play in a million years. Young people buy it because of brand band recognition, not because they true appriciate the band. IMO
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J.D. DIAMOND wrote: |
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Yeah spapad,what a joke in I think 1996? When Lars came out on MTV awards and said: "Metal is dead people"......"Get Over It".
What a fuckin joke this band has turned out to be.They are the laughing stock of all time in the black/death metal underground.
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spapad wrote: |
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They were great in their day though! Ride the Lightening! Fantastic album!
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hellrider 31038 wrote: |
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its okay man i forgive you .lol.yeah they went from in your face heavy metal to total crap. METAL BETRAYERSSSSSSSSSS.yeah it is a real shame they were a great band.
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J.D. DIAMOND wrote: |
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| lol! Yeah,I was'nt thinking straight!! Man I still can't believe how terrible Metallica really turned out man,its a shame.
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| [icecreamman] Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:20:18 PM | |
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You know it is kind of funny that Metallica are betrayers of metal, yet they have Metal in their name. What a joke.
When I first heard Kill em' All and Ride the Lightning , I thought they were amazing, and then I heard their newer stuff. IT SUCKS.
Cliff was the heart and soul of early metallica.
Metallica died with Cliff.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Sunday, March 29, 2009 9:22:18 PM)| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Haha yeah good old spelling errors. I don't check half of what I write anyway haha. Rob does write from the heart in Priest too, he just creates a mini story in most of the songs.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Uh, Joe, I think I agree with you but I don't know about Halford being Wicker. LOL I love them, and that's all that matters. Rob writes from the heart with them. and I wish Priest would give him carte blanch to do that too! Why the hell not. That was the whole point I was getting at. Just a little chicken to come right out with it! LOL
| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | Why do you had to admit liking the Halford band? The were freakin' wicker. As well as Fight too. Here's looking forward to Halford 4 if it ever sees the light of day.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have to agree, except for Loch, it was the better of the two. And this is something I hate to admit, but I Love Halford! Real, in your face metal! Great lyrics! This is what happens when Halford writes for himself? Then it's awesome! Let him to it!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes I agree,but still Nostradamus is an OVERKILL. If they would of shortened it up to 10 tracks,with a variety of songs than it would of been better.There are not a variety of songs...it all swings to the slower side and is one dimensional in my opinion.And at this late in the band's career..I think its a shame that they want to "evolve"...I think that 'Angel Of Retribution" is a perfect Judas Priest album with a little bit of everything the fans wanted.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Only one thing in Priest's defence, they have always evolved. The only period I can think they didn't evolve well enough was Defenders, being SFV's twin almost, and well turbo just seemed to be catering to a larger audience than their core. Nos, is an album of verteran rockers who decided to tackle something different and it does stand alone as a good work. Is it Painkiller? No. But if everything they made sounded exactly the same we wouldn't like them.
Metallica is just sad. They just seemed to have lost an edge and a desire to do more. Trying to divorce yourself from your true roots is a joke.
Ever listened to Disturbed? Relatively new band, older stuff is a work in progress and their effort last year was truely awesome. I hope they continue to evolve as well, but not forget their roots.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Exactly spapad,exactly!! I think this about "Nostradamus" as well.Don't get me wrong here...Nostradamus is far better than any lame Metallica album by far,but it is the same thing here what were talking about.The "world" is not craving "Nostradamus" from Judas Priest......they are craving a "British Steel" and a "Angel Of Retribution" or a "Painkiller"...not something so different that it covers up your favorite band's "SOUND".
The world is not craving a shitty Metallica album like "Death Magnetic"...they are craving an album like "Ride The Lightning". No question.
(Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:27:31 PM)
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spapad wrote: |
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Sounds like a band that got too big for their own good. Why do bands think that to move forward and "sophisticate their sound" means it's what the world is craving? I understand experimentation, but they are just throwing out shit now I wouldn't play in a million years. Young people buy it because of brand band recognition, not because they true appriciate the band. IMO
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J.D. DIAMOND wrote: |
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Yeah spapad,what a joke in I think 1996? When Lars came out on MTV awards and said: "Metal is dead people"......"Get Over It".
What a fuckin joke this band has turned out to be.They are the laughing stock of all time in the black/death metal underground.
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spapad wrote: |
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They were great in their day though! Ride the Lightening! Fantastic album!
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hellrider 31038 wrote: |
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its okay man i forgive you .lol.yeah they went from in your face heavy metal to total crap. METAL BETRAYERSSSSSSSSSS.yeah it is a real shame they were a great band.
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J.D. DIAMOND wrote: |
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| lol! Yeah,I was'nt thinking straight!! Man I still can't believe how terrible Metallica really turned out man,its a shame.
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