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IMO Judas Priest would be more popular not if Rob was straight but if Rob had never left the band. but what you going to do? my time machine is on the fritz.
they would also be more popular if Gull didnt own the rights to the first 2 albums. I say this cause as a kid every time I saw a new cover in the tape store, I would read th back and know that I had all the songs on one tape or another. then a new tape.... same thing.
the radical changes in their musical style probably didnt help atract casual fans, after all, maiden is maiden no mater which disc it is. priest keeps pushing new boundries, which is great for the dedicated fans, but keeps the casual fans confused
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| [Bev] Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:10:38 AM | |
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| ... at the end of the day, would it not be the music (the finished product) that determines the band's popularity? Only a thought to include lively discussion ; ) |
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:04:59 AM | |
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OK, I guess my POINT would be; there are a number (how MANY, I cannot say) of people that know of Priest by virtue of Rob's sexuality. If the "mainstream" media ignore it or exploit it, the fact remains that there is a correlation of some kind. I am not sure what goes on in the UK, Canada or anywhere else but I DO know that I have run into many people that have only known Priest as "that band with the gay singer". You cannot get around that by using math to determine a figure that represents a percentage of world populace and then saying it is irrelevant. There IS relevance. It may be insignificant to you and I...but it exists. I do not believe there is any more or less POPULARITY but there is certainly a number that would represent more recognition and when you make your living selling music to the masses, recognition makes a difference.
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| [Bev] Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:37:36 AM | |
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| Angelic Storm ... nice to read your comments - Have always enjoyed your posts! Cool to see you out and about again : ) |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:04:05 AM | |
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Yeah,thats the perfect way to answer this Ron.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:41:49 AM)| |  | ron h wrote: | | | Recognized and popular are two different things...they maybe are recognized more now because of it, but I don't think the band is more popular now because of it. |
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| [ron h] Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:41:49 AM | |
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| Recognized and popular are two different things...they maybe are recognized more now because of it, but I don't think the band is more popular now because of it. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:23:20 AM | |
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Yes spapad that is correct. Look at this picture of "Venom" from 1981 .....Venom created "black metal" and the members "Cronos,Abbadon and Mantis" are not gay,....
Cronos even said that he got his leather,studs and spikes image from "Rob Halford" and Judas Priest because they set the standard of what metal's image looked like.
It wasn't a trend and the other bands were not ripping Halford off,but that image fit for not only heavy metal...but for black metal and the true old school death metal bands as well.
The most abrasive bands in the extreme metal underground like old "Deicide", old "Morbid Angel" and "Mayhem" with Euronymous(r.i.p.)knew Rob was gay and didn't even
think long enough about it to give a rats! I've read articles where they mention Rob Halford as an influence that got them into metal in the first place. Its crazy to sit back and
look at what Rob created with heavy metal's image.....and still to this day...in my opinion studs,spikes,chains,denim & leather,bullet belts,pins on jackets,finger cut black gloves..ect....
all of these aesthetics are needed in heavy metal ....not that a band will be "good" just because they were the image,but without it...they really don't have a chance to continue the
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true spirit of early Traditional British styled Heavy Metal ......I can't count the many times someone says : "Heres a heavy metal band for you to listen to"....and then I listen to it and
it doesn't sound heavy metalish.....and then I look at the band's photo and low and behold? Its a bunch of college frat rockers with baggy jungle pants the kind that the ass hangs down
and almost touches the floor...with a Hockey jersey on ( "nothing against hockey fans but it doesn't belong in metal" ) with a freaking "BASEBALL HAT" on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOFL!!!!!
And absolutely " NOTHING AGAINST PEOPLE WHO WEAR BASEBALL HATS"....its just that they don't belong in heavy metal's image. Bands that play a rock/and heavy metal seem to
be able to wear a mix between heavy metal and a rock image like Saxon...they play traditional heavy metal like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden but they also write "rock songs" and have always
said they are heavy metal/rock band.....Paul Quinn,one of the guitarists wears a baseball hat but usually wears a leather vest and ect.... Motorhead is a hard rock band and not a heavy metal band
so Lemmy's image has always been the same..... But Rob sure set the standards of heavy metal and its quite awsome on a massive scale how he himself not only wore the gay biker outfits but also
wore the total traditional heavy metal image. What a guy!!!!!!!!!
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Perhaps I missread, but to be honest, I don't find it to be of great importance. I do feel Rob influenced the whole look of metal by simply chosing the ruff boy gay look of the seventies to gear up priest, and Metal fans everywhere embrassed what was first a gay image and made it there own and to this day, if you see that much leather you know, you talking Metal. Fine by me! I love it!
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In that case, my previous points still stand! If Priest were not in the media on those occasions purely because of Rob's sexuality, then they cant be used as examples of them being more known about purely because of that. Like I say, Ive only known of one occasion where Rob's sexuality has been specifically mentioned in the mainstream media. lol
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His sexuality was not the issue of them being in the mainstream media, it's the fact that JP are an incredible band.
They appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live last year, which was a late night talk show here. They are still in so many Metal Mags, Rolling Stone still covers them, they were up for what, two Grammys last year? I'd say they don't fly completly under the radar!
Thank God they are not covered in the way all media portrays half the celebrities in this world, talk about a dirty landryfest on the behalf of the media, it's disgusting to be so intrusive into anyone's life.
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Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
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CNN ran it as a headline story when Rob and Priest reunited. I'd say that is about as mainstream as you can get.
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I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
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Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
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Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
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Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [spapad] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:08:40 PM | |
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Perhaps I missread, but to be honest, I don't find it to be of great importance. I do feel Rob influenced the whole look of metal by simply chosing the ruff boy gay look of the seventies to gear up priest, and Metal fans everywhere embrassed what was first a gay image and made it there own and to this day, if you see that much leather you know, you talking Metal. Fine by me! I love it!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Angelic Storm from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:03:49 PM)| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | In that case, my previous points still stand! If Priest were not in the media on those occasions purely because of Rob's sexuality, then they cant be used as examples of them being more known about purely because of that. Like I say, Ive only known of one occasion where Rob's sexuality has been specifically mentioned in the mainstream media. lol
| | | spapad wrote: | | His sexuality was not the issue of them being in the mainstream media, it's the fact that JP are an incredible band.
They appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live last year, which was a late night talk show here. They are still in so many Metal Mags, Rolling Stone still covers them, they were up for what, two Grammys last year? I'd say they don't fly completly under the radar!
Thank God they are not covered in the way all media portrays half the celebrities in this world, talk about a dirty landryfest on the behalf of the media, it's disgusting to be so intrusive into anyone's life.
| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
| | | spapad wrote: | | CNN ran it as a headline story when Rob and Priest reunited. I'd say that is about as mainstream as you can get.
| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [Angelic Storm] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:03:49 PM | |
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In that case, my previous points still stand! If Priest were not in the media on those occasions purely because of Rob's sexuality, then they cant be used as examples of them being more known about purely because of that. Like I say, Ive only known of one occasion where Rob's sexuality has been specifically mentioned in the mainstream media. lol
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:51:04 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | His sexuality was not the issue of them being in the mainstream media, it's the fact that JP are an incredible band.
They appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live last year, which was a late night talk show here. They are still in so many Metal Mags, Rolling Stone still covers them, they were up for what, two Grammys last year? I'd say they don't fly completly under the radar!
Thank God they are not covered in the way all media portrays half the celebrities in this world, talk about a dirty landryfest on the behalf of the media, it's disgusting to be so intrusive into anyone's life.
| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
| | | spapad wrote: | | CNN ran it as a headline story when Rob and Priest reunited. I'd say that is about as mainstream as you can get.
| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [hellrider 31038] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:59:07 PM | |
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totally agree with you freeze unfortunatly it does make a difference.definatly not to me or probably any one here but out there(i am pointing out my window).i see it all the time.people look at me funny at times just look at me for a couple of seconds then say he,s gay or they yell shit at me like the 3 letter f word on 4 letter h word when they are passing by me when i am riding my bicycle on the road or where ever.thats why maiden is so much more popular.most definatly there not a better band.alot of people (no offence intended) dont have the BALLS TO DEFEND HALFORD THE METAL GOD AND PRIEST so they go to stinking maiden.no offence intended .
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:24:35 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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His sexuality was not the issue of them being in the mainstream media, it's the fact that JP are an incredible band.
They appeared on Jimmy Kimmel live last year, which was a late night talk show here. They are still in so many Metal Mags, Rolling Stone still covers them, they were up for what, two Grammys last year? I'd say they don't fly completly under the radar!
Thank God they are not covered in the way all media portrays half the celebrities in this world, talk about a dirty landryfest on the behalf of the media, it's disgusting to be so intrusive into anyone's life.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Angelic Storm from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:42:19 PM)| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
| | | spapad wrote: | | CNN ran it as a headline story when Rob and Priest reunited. I'd say that is about as mainstream as you can get.
| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [Angelic Storm] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:42:19 PM | |
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Seeing as I live in the UK, I didnt know about that :P
Maybe it is different in the American mainstream media, but certainly in the UK, neither Rob, nor Priest are really any more in the media now, then before he came out. If it's different in the US, then I take back what I said in my previous post lol
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:32:45 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | CNN ran it as a headline story when Rob and Priest reunited. I'd say that is about as mainstream as you can get.
| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [spapad] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:32:45 PM | |
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CNN ran it as a headline story when Rob and Priest reunited. I'd say that is about as mainstream as you can get.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Angelic Storm from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:30:50 PM)| | | Angelic Storm wrote: | | I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [Angelic Storm] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:30:50 PM | |
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I think you overestimate the amount of people who only know about Priest through Rob's sexuality. I think very few people outside of the metal community have any idea about Judas Priest, let alone Rob's sexuality. Most outside of the metal community only know what the mainstream media feeds them, and I dont think Rob or Priest are much more in the mainstream media now, than before Rob came out of the closet. Maybe you have heard a lot about it in the mainstream media, but I certainly havent. I think one time a few years ago, I saw Graham Norton mention Rob on his show, but aside from that one time, I've yet to see Rob's sexuality mentioned in any mainstream media, outside of specifically metal publications. Im sure there are a tiny minority of people who know about Priest now, but wouldnt have if Rob wasnt gay. But to say its "a lot of people", I think is overestimating it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:44:04 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [spapad] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:45:36 PM | |
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HA!!! He's not our equal J.D.! He is The Metal God, and we are but poor serfs who would only be so lucky to be graced by his presence!   I am kidding of course but he is one superior human being and so are the rest of the guys, that is why their fans love them! They are down to earth real kind people!
Oh, and by the way, they make so REAL Kick Ass music! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:36:58 PM)
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Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
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Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:44:04 PM | |
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Yes, my friend. We do love him. And so do tens of thousands of people all around the world. I don't think there is any question that Rob Halford is respected and loved. That is true. I think what it really comes down to is, there are a lot of people that do not care for Metal and do not know his work but they DO know about his sexuality. You cannot ignore that. It makes a difference in so much as the number of human beings that are aware of the Band. It does make a difference.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:36:58 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:36:58 PM | |
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Yes Freeze...I agree. There are a lot of people who don't know Judas Priest that well and connect the fact that "Isn't that the band with the gay guy singing"? They don't say that in a negative way ..
they are just trying to make that connection and some people may take that the wrong way,but the average person who asks this is not meaning any disrespect or what not.
If Rob were to log on this forum right now,he would be flattered that so many of us accept him for what he is...an "EQUAL" to each and every one of us. We love you Rob!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:24:35 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:24:35 PM | |
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Hmm.. I have tried to avoid commenting only because I detest yet ANOTHER moronic Thread but I suppose I will throw in my "two cents" on the subject...AGAIN.
YES. Rob's sexuality DOES make a difference! I have said that before and I hold to that position today. It is OH so chic to make flowery speeches about how "it doesn't matter" and "true fans don't care" and whatnot and, of course, to those of us that are TRUE fans, it doesn't. The fact remains, there is a HUGE number of people in this world that only know Priest because "they have that gay guy" singing for them. We have ALL heard that comment in some form.
The fact that Rob Halford is a gay man in a Heavy Metal band IS a big deal. It is noteworthy and it has brought them attention where they may never had received any. There is a large portion of people that know about the band because Rob is openly gay and THAT makes it part of the equation, regardless of whether or not one believes it "matters". Matters how??? Matters from a talent standpoint? No. From an ability standpoint? No. By saying "it does not matter", one is suggesting (I assume) that he still can sing. This is quite true. But the topic here is "Would Priest be more popular" if Rob were NOT gay. I believe the answer is, no. They would not be "more" popular. There would likely be no significant difference as far as popularity is concerned. Today's "popular" music is chock full of gay people.
I think the more appropriate comment would be that they would not be as well known be as many people. That seems like a safe bet. They will always have a fanbase. They will always have the achievements they have. Gay or straight, I doubt that would be affected. Popularity? Nah, I doubt that as well. Notoriety? THAT is a possibility. By this fact alone, it DOES make a difference.
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| [Skylar] Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:44:19 PM | |
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| Priest are one of the most influental metal bands of all times. Most people prefer to listen to crap so I believe that in musical terms Rob is one of the best performers/singers of metal and music in general.Any one who doesn't listen to Priest's music just because of Rob' s sexuality then he/she doesn't know anything about music at all.Judas Priest are one of the most famous matal bands.This band would have the same fame if Rob was straight... these things don't matter musically speakin |
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I agree with everyone else. Robs sexuality does not affect the popularity of Priest, and neither should it. I could care less that he is gay. He could be gay, straight, whatever, and he would still be the Metal God!!  It does not matter to true fans. |
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