Well I must say that I don't know why you've created this thread then. Why didn't you just start a Ronnie James Dio thread and talk about his music in that? You've literally called the thread The Creators Of Metal - Black Sabbath and you are avoiding the line up of the band that actually did what you are talking about. The RJD era of Sabbath did not create metal. As I said before, by the time Ronnie joined the band in 1979 or 80 metal was already going strong. Priest had released five or six albums, Maiden had just begun, UFO had been going for ages, AC/DC were at their peak, The Scorpions had a few albums out, the list goes on. The albums that created metal were the first three Sabbath albums, self titled, Paranoid and Master Of Reality in 1970 and 71. Honestly, Black Sabbath is only Black Sabbath with Ozzy. With Dio the name is the same but the band and the music is completely different. Awesome heavy metal music but it's a completely different sound to the original Sabbath that created metal. I think the band realised this when they got back together with Dio and changed the name to Heaven And Hell. They understood that if they called it Black Sabbath people would be expecting to hear War Pigs, Sweet Leaf and Paranoid etc, because that's what Sabbath is.
Brian_Evans wrote:
Ozzys voice is just too annoying man...lol
jimmyjames wrote:
One of the great underrated Sabbath songs.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:02:07 AM
Very,very well said Jimmy. What you've said is ABSOLUTELY 100% correct. Everything you've posted here is "true". Also he should of created a Dio's Sabbath thread only because of his disliking for early Sabbath. He has every right to dislike the Ozzy years but creating a thread named The Creators of Metal and leaving out the Ozzy years is misleading. On another note,I absolutely can't stand the album 'The Devil You Know",it spanks of poor song writting. A very big letdown for myself when I heard the LP and knew I wasn't going to buy it. I don't even like one song on it.
Well I must say that I don't know why you've created this thread then. Why didn't you just start a Ronnie James Dio thread and talk about his music in that? You've literally called the thread The Creators Of Metal - Black Sabbath and you are avoiding the line up of the band that actually did what you are talking about. The RJD era of Sabbath did not create metal. As I said before, by the time Ronnie joined the band in 1979 or 80 metal was already going strong. Priest had released five or six albums, Maiden had just begun, UFO had been going for ages, AC/DC were at their peak, The Scorpions had a few albums out, the list goes on. The albums that created metal were the first three Sabbath albums, self titled, Paranoid and Master Of Reality in 1970 and 71. Honestly, Black Sabbath is only Black Sabbath with Ozzy. With Dio the name is the same but the band and the music is completely different. Awesome heavy metal music but it's a completely different sound to the original Sabbath that created metal. I think the band realised this when they got back together with Dio and changed the name to Heaven And Hell. They understood that if they called it Black Sabbath people would be expecting to hear War Pigs, Sweet Leaf and Paranoid etc, because that's what Sabbath is.
Brian_Evans wrote:
Ozzys voice is just too annoying man...lol
jimmyjames wrote:
One of the great underrated Sabbath songs.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, April 15, 2011 11:54:29 PM
Very well said JJ! I couldn't have said it better myself. I agree completely - the Ozzy years are the years that actually CREATED metal.
Well I must say that I don't know why you've created this thread then. Why didn't you just start a Ronnie James Dio thread and talk about his music in that? You've literally called the thread The Creators Of Metal - Black Sabbath and you are avoiding the line up of the band that actually did what you are talking about. The RJD era of Sabbath did not create metal. As I said before, by the time Ronnie joined the band in 1979 or 80 metal was already going strong. Priest had released five or six albums, Maiden had just begun, UFO had been going for ages, AC/DC were at their peak, The Scorpions had a few albums out, the list goes on. The albums that created metal were the first three Sabbath albums, self titled, Paranoid and Master Of Reality in 1970 and 71. Honestly, Black Sabbath is only Black Sabbath with Ozzy. With Dio the name is the same but the band and the music is completely different. Awesome heavy metal music but it's a completely different sound to the original Sabbath that created metal. I think the band realised this when they got back together with Dio and changed the name to Heaven And Hell. They understood that if they called it Black Sabbath people would be expecting to hear War Pigs, Sweet Leaf and Paranoid etc, because that's what Sabbath is.
Brian_Evans wrote:
Ozzys voice is just too annoying man...lol
jimmyjames wrote:
One of the great underrated Sabbath songs.
[The Metallian] Friday, April 15, 2011 11:12:38 PM
I love Dio,and the Dio/Sabbath albums,but I don't really care for the Ozzy Songs Dio sings on Live Evil,but love his own songs on live Evil.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 15, 2011 10:28:41 PM
I love Dio,and the Dio/Sabbath albums,but I don't really care for the Ozzy Songs Dio sings on Live Evil,but love his own songs on live Evil.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 15, 2011 10:27:27 PM
No,your being childish,because your extremely child - like.
I was "wrong" when I said nobody gives a shit about a thread you've created,because people are posting in it. You can 'never be wrong" even when 100% of the forum knows your in the wrong,you still won't admit it. That is being "childish" and it shows your being a Drama Queen. I even said you couldn't resist posting a childish comment and its shows your character. At least I admit when I'm wrong. That shows how much better character I have than you. Grow up Brian.
I'm quoting this post just to show everyone the stupid comment you made about this thread and now here you are posting in it. Not being childish but just stating the facts ...drama queen.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Nobody gives a shit about a thread you've created dumbfucking loser!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Children of the Sea - Black Sabbath
Excellent classic metal from the band that started it all.
[Head banger] Friday, April 15, 2011 9:16:24 PM
your right that when ronnie was in the band they were not creating metal, metal was well established.
they couldnt tour as sabath because sharon did not give them a release to use the name, and ozzy owns a part of the name. if RJD was singing, I dont know who would expect war pigs, but.... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, April 15, 2011 5:57:23 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Well I must say that I don't know why you've created this thread then. Why didn't you just start a Ronnie James Dio thread and talk about his music in that? You've literally called the thread The Creators Of Metal - Black Sabbath and you are avoiding the line up of the band that actually did what you are talking about. The RJD era of Sabbath did not create metal. As I said before, by the time Ronnie joined the band in 1979 or 80 metal was already going strong. Priest had released five or six albums, Maiden had just begun, UFO had been going for ages, AC/DC were at their peak, The Scorpions had a few albums out, the list goes on. The albums that created metal were the first three Sabbath albums, self titled, Paranoid and Master Of Reality in 1970 and 71. Honestly, Black Sabbath is only Black Sabbath with Ozzy. With Dio the name is the same but the band and the music is completely different. Awesome heavy metal music but it's a completely different sound to the original Sabbath that created metal. I think the band realised this when they got back together with Dio and changed the name to Heaven And Hell. They understood that if they called it Black Sabbath people would be expecting to hear War Pigs, Sweet Leaf and Paranoid etc, because that's what Sabbath is.
Brian_Evans wrote:
Ozzys voice is just too annoying man...lol
jimmyjames wrote:
One of the great underrated Sabbath songs.
[jimmyjames] Friday, April 15, 2011 6:23:05 PM
I might also add the song Swinging The Chain, the last song from Never Say Die. I think Bill Ward sings that one too but it would sound a shitload better with Ozzy singing. Axl Rose actually sang a better version of It's Alright on the GNR Live Era 87 - 93 live album but I know you hate him so don't bother checking it out, I just thought it fitted in there with some of GNRs piano based songs more than it does on a Sabbath album. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, April 15, 2011 3:11:48 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Reguardless of what this Evans says here,and reguardless of what he will say about me posting in this thread (he can't control himself,he will have to say something because of how childish he is) I couldn't agree more with you Jimmy.
The 8 albums with Ozzy in the 70's tower over RJ Dio's 2 albums and I do like the Heaven And Hell and Mob Rules albums,they are totally awsome but the Black Sabbath studio albums with Ozzy are so much better than Dio's albums.
Sabotage is so good its unreal,even with 3 under-par tracks out of 8 albums and 8 years( the Changes song from Vol.4, the " It's Alright track and the She's Gone track from Technical Ecstacy all 3 are boring) those 8 albums "still" are much better obviously in your opinion and mine and obviously that doesn't make the albums better because those are our opinions but I sure as hell agree with you about the Ozzy albums with Sabbath here. Ozzy's vocals in Black Sabbath are anything but annoying.
(Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:21:14 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
One of the great underrated Sabbath songs.
Edited at: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:13:16 PM
[Budred] Friday, April 15, 2011 6:05:15 PM
@ J.D.
You two are not the only two that feel that way.
@Jimmy
I completely (100 percent) agree with both your posts regarding the "Creators of Metal" topic.
[Budred] Friday, April 15, 2011 5:59:11 PM
Ahh Jimmy, I do like you.
Quite possibly my favorite Sabbath song. Love "Megalomania" from that LP also.
Well I must say that I don't know why you've created this thread then. Why didn't you just start a Ronnie James Dio thread and talk about his music in that? You've literally called the thread The Creators Of Metal - Black Sabbath and you are avoiding the line up of the band that actually did what you are talking about. The RJD era of Sabbath did not create metal. As I said before, by the time Ronnie joined the band in 1979 or 80 metal was already going strong. Priest had released five or six albums, Maiden had just begun, UFO had been going for ages, AC/DC were at their peak, The Scorpions had a few albums out, the list goes on. The albums that created metal were the first three Sabbath albums, self titled, Paranoid and Master Of Reality in 1970 and 71. Honestly, Black Sabbath is only Black Sabbath with Ozzy. With Dio the name is the same but the band and the music is completely different. Awesome heavy metal music but it's a completely different sound to the original Sabbath that created metal. I think the band realised this when they got back together with Dio and changed the name to Heaven And Hell. They understood that if they called it Black Sabbath people would be expecting to hear War Pigs, Sweet Leaf and Paranoid etc, because that's what Sabbath is.
I'm quoting this post just to show everyone the stupid comment you made about this thread and now here you are posting in it. Not being childish but just stating the facts ...drama queen. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:57:58 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Nobody gives a shit about a thread you've created dumbfucking loser!!!
Brian_Evans wrote:
Children of the Sea - Black Sabbath
Excellent classic metal from the band that started it all.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 15, 2011 3:11:48 PM
Reguardless of what this Evans says here,and reguardless of what he will say about me posting in this thread (he can't control himself,he will have to say something because of how childish he is) I couldn't agree more with you Jimmy.
The 8 albums with Ozzy in the 70's tower over RJ Dio's 2 albums and I do like the Heaven And Hell and Mob Rules albums,they are totally awsome but the Black Sabbath studio albums with Ozzy are so much better than Dio's albums.
Sabotage is so good its unreal,even with 3 under-par tracks out of 8 albums and 8 years( the Changes song from Vol.4, the " It's Alright track and the She's Gone track from Technical Ecstacy all 3 are boring) those 8 albums "still" are much better obviously in your opinion and mine and obviously that doesn't make the albums better because those are our opinions but I sure as hell agree with you about the Ozzy albums with Sabbath here. Ozzy's vocals in Black Sabbath are anything but annoying.
God your so weird? Jeeze. 
Ozzys voice is just too annoying man...lol