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Ahhh thanks for that Guid. So the people are worried that changes made by the government will inflate prices of insurance etc? You pay a lot of tax, and don't see any return. That's sad really. It's also sad how much health insurance costs there too, I've heard some staggering numbers! I pay $32 a month for almost full healthcare coverage - I'm actually looking at changing insurance companies to a company who will charge me about the same every month, but I will be covered entirely i.e. if I needed major heart surgery, amounting to like $50k or even more, it would be covered; non goverment subsidised medications are covered too. I don't understand how other countries can sort out their health care stuff so easily compared to the States. What I am taking from what you've said is, people are scared that if the state takes over running of healthcare, its a step toward communism?? It's all very confusing for me LOL and like I said, I just don't understand how many other countries can have it all worked out, but America can't. Granted, different strokes for different folks, but why not look at places where it works and taking a small leaf out of their books? Although if the US government can't pay for it, as you say, that makes things very difficult.
That was a bit waffly sorry LOL, like I said, it's confusing for me, but you did clear it up a bit!  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:52:54 PM)
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Hiya Becks,
While not a regular to this particular thread (actually, I avoid it like the plague), I can shed a bit of light on the subject as I do follow both sides. While it certainly depends upon the person you trust when getting your "news," the biggest protest is a state run anything. Most have turned out to be classic failures in this country. We no longer own our country, unemployment is sky-high, and every other house around here seems to be for sale and / or being lost due to foreclosure. Social security was a bad idea and is in due to run out in my lifetime and our social services are taxed to the limit. Catch a cold? Just TRY to see a doctor around here. It is to the emergency room for those with insurance, that is. Quite sad, really.
Obama isn't the first to try healthcare reform. Like Social Security, all know the system is broken but no one can really fix it. To me, Obama simply can't pay for it. His plan would come up with a state-run system that has major faults. It would be a cheaper alternative to those of us with insurance paid by our employers and would, eventually, bring further debt and make one have to fight for basic care. The fact that not a single Senator would apparently sign up for this option his/her self is telling. THAT is where people calling "communism" comes into play. If you do well, economically, why would you be forced to give up even more of your pay to pay for a state run healthcare system? My family is in the medical field and most don't like it. They complain that the already skyrocketing price of healthcare in this country would get worse as prices would suffer artificial inflation when the private insurance firms are effectively pushed out by the government.
So...can't pay for it would be my general answer. We are already taxed like crazy. Healthcare costs are artificially high as it is and Obama is really flopping about what HIS ideas are and how he can pay for them.
Just my 2cents and anyone who really knows me knows that I am NOT an Obama hater. Not just Americans exercising "free speech" nor organizations moving their followers to disrupt these "town hall meetings," IMO. Just an awful lot of us who pay a literal ton in taxes with very little payback as it is just asking some quite valid questions about this new plan.
Like the Ford buyout, we weren't asked and the government just stepped in without asking if We the People wanted to buy Ford. Hasn't really helped yet.
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Ok maybe some of my American friends on here can help me out with this, cos something that's going on over there at the moment is really puzzling.
I've just seen on the news hoardes of Americans protesting against President Obamas healthcare plan. What is wrong with this plan that people feel the need to protest about it? Are some people listening to the likes of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity a bit too much? I see Obama getting called a socialist, marxist, communist - whether or not the people saying these things have any idea what they mean, I don't know, some of them spout those things of in one breath seemingly unaware that they are all different things. Is it scaremongering from President Obamas opponents, trying to make people believe the new healthcare plan will cover illegal immigrants, that his policies are socialist etc? Can anyone shed any light on this for me - cos at the moment a lot of the people I see complaining actually look pretty stupid cos it doesn't seem any of them really know why they are protesting and what about exactly. Or are just protesting because they can LOL! |
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| [guidogodoy] Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:52:54 PM | |
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Hiya Becks,
While not a regular to this particular thread (actually, I avoid it like the plague), I can shed a bit of light on the subject as I do follow both sides. While it certainly depends upon the person you trust when getting your "news," the biggest protest is a state run anything. Most have turned out to be classic failures in this country. We no longer own our country, unemployment is sky-high, and every other house around here seems to be for sale and / or being lost due to foreclosure. Social security was a bad idea and is in due to run out in my lifetime and our social services are taxed to the limit. Catch a cold? Just TRY to see a doctor around here. It is to the emergency room for those with insurance, that is. Quite sad, really.
Obama isn't the first to try healthcare reform. Like Social Security, all know the system is broken but no one can really fix it. To me, Obama simply can't pay for it. His plan would come up with a state-run system that has major faults. It would be a cheaper alternative to those of us with insurance paid by our employers and would, eventually, bring further debt and make one have to fight for basic care. The fact that not a single Senator would apparently sign up for this option his/her self is telling. THAT is where people calling "communism" comes into play. If you do well, economically, why would you be forced to give up even more of your pay to pay for a state run healthcare system? My family is in the medical field and most don't like it. They complain that the already skyrocketing price of healthcare in this country would get worse as prices would suffer artificial inflation when the private insurance firms are effectively pushed out by the government.
So...can't pay for it would be my general answer. We are already taxed like crazy. Healthcare costs are artificially high as it is and Obama is really flopping about what HIS ideas are and how he can pay for them.
Just my 2cents and anyone who really knows me knows that I am NOT an Obama hater. Not just Americans exercising "free speech" nor organizations moving their followers to disrupt these "town hall meetings," IMO. Just an awful lot of us who pay a literal ton in taxes with very little payback as it is just asking some quite valid questions about this new plan.
Like the Ford buyout, we weren't asked and the government just stepped in without asking if We the People wanted to buy Ford. Hasn't really helped yet.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:16:10 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Ok maybe some of my American friends on here can help me out with this, cos something that's going on over there at the moment is really puzzling.
I've just seen on the news hoardes of Americans protesting against President Obamas healthcare plan. What is wrong with this plan that people feel the need to protest about it? Are some people listening to the likes of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity a bit too much? I see Obama getting called a socialist, marxist, communist - whether or not the people saying these things have any idea what they mean, I don't know, some of them spout those things of in one breath seemingly unaware that they are all different things. Is it scaremongering from President Obamas opponents, trying to make people believe the new healthcare plan will cover illegal immigrants, that his policies are socialist etc? Can anyone shed any light on this for me - cos at the moment a lot of the people I see complaining actually look pretty stupid cos it doesn't seem any of them really know why they are protesting and what about exactly. Or are just protesting because they can LOL! |
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| [Becks] Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:16:10 PM | |
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Ok maybe some of my American friends on here can help me out with this, cos something that's going on over there at the moment is really puzzling.
I've just seen on the news hoardes of Americans protesting against President Obamas healthcare plan. What is wrong with this plan that people feel the need to protest about it? Are some people listening to the likes of Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity a bit too much? I see Obama getting called a socialist, marxist, communist - whether or not the people saying these things have any idea what they mean, I don't know, some of them spout those things of in one breath seemingly unaware that they are all different things. Is it scaremongering from President Obamas opponents, trying to make people believe the new healthcare plan will cover illegal immigrants, that his policies are socialist etc? Can anyone shed any light on this for me - cos at the moment a lot of the people I see complaining actually look pretty stupid cos it doesn't seem any of them really know why they are protesting and what about exactly. Or are just protesting because they can LOL! |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, August 27, 2009 2:41:44 PM | |
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HA! You can start with member "Where AmI"...he apparently attacks members in here for NO reason whatsover.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:45:59 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | so, do we want a slower or quicker death for scumbags. I vote for speed. sure making them suffer would be nice, but there are so many.... would get very tirring.
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as shot peening is metallic cast steel shot...basically being peened by small steel "b.b.s"...as in a b.b. gun....lol!!
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Which brings us back to Shot Peening vs. Sandblasting. I'm leaning more toward the sandblasting now as I believe it would be more painful! HA!! I wish I could sand blast all illegal oders to our facility too, and then give them back to the UPS man. As for all the calls, why doesn't office etiquett dictate it is OK to blast a Fog horn in to the phone, so the Paper pirate callers will get the message? Seems perfectly acceptable if shut the office door and then tell them kindly "I'll transfer you to Mr. Horn, please hold", then BLAST away!
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I had a used car dealer call me up for payment for the 28 used fords he was delivering. gave me the name of the director of fleet. so I pointed out that they do all payments via wire transfer, and he would have an agreement for the payment, and a address to submit document to, not to mention I would have coppies of the PO and we didnt buy any used cars in the past 20 years here. sigh, it takes all kinds I supose. some of the kinds though it would be nice to eliminate.
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We have gotten some seriously messed up stuff! I reject it when it comes in, but some of the Authorization has been from talking to voice mail! WTF!!! Anymore, I don't let any calls into the building unless I ask the person WHO is calling and WHAT company they represent and what they want. Then I either hang up on them or send them to "General mail" which I control. I know the names of our legitimate vendors and I don't let these fools pass.
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Fraud of all types is up significantly in the last few years, and I believe thats normal in a recession. fucking dirtbags need to go straight to hell.
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Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
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so, do we want a slower or quicker death for scumbags. I vote for speed. sure making them suffer would be nice, but there are so many.... would get very tirring.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:33:34 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | lol! Actually spapad...either would be painful but shot peening would do far more damage at least quicker..how about that! lol! Sand blast would be painfull but a slower death...
as shot peening is metallic cast steel shot...basically being peened by small steel "b.b.s"...as in a b.b. gun....lol!!
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Which brings us back to Shot Peening vs. Sandblasting. I'm leaning more toward the sandblasting now as I believe it would be more painful! HA!! I wish I could sand blast all illegal oders to our facility too, and then give them back to the UPS man. As for all the calls, why doesn't office etiquett dictate it is OK to blast a Fog horn in to the phone, so the Paper pirate callers will get the message? Seems perfectly acceptable if shut the office door and then tell them kindly "I'll transfer you to Mr. Horn, please hold", then BLAST away!
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I had a used car dealer call me up for payment for the 28 used fords he was delivering. gave me the name of the director of fleet. so I pointed out that they do all payments via wire transfer, and he would have an agreement for the payment, and a address to submit document to, not to mention I would have coppies of the PO and we didnt buy any used cars in the past 20 years here. sigh, it takes all kinds I supose. some of the kinds though it would be nice to eliminate.
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We have gotten some seriously messed up stuff! I reject it when it comes in, but some of the Authorization has been from talking to voice mail! WTF!!! Anymore, I don't let any calls into the building unless I ask the person WHO is calling and WHAT company they represent and what they want. Then I either hang up on them or send them to "General mail" which I control. I know the names of our legitimate vendors and I don't let these fools pass.
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Fraud of all types is up significantly in the last few years, and I believe thats normal in a recession. fucking dirtbags need to go straight to hell.
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Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
Like I said maybe not political, but def a way people try to rip off large facilities. |
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lol! Actually spapad...either would be painful but shot peening would do far more damage at least quicker..how about that! lol! Sand blast would be painfull but a slower death...
as shot peening is metallic cast steel shot...basically being peened by small steel "b.b.s"...as in a b.b. gun....lol!!
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Which brings us back to Shot Peening vs. Sandblasting. I'm leaning more toward the sandblasting now as I believe it would be more painful! HA!! I wish I could sand blast all illegal oders to our facility too, and then give them back to the UPS man. As for all the calls, why doesn't office etiquett dictate it is OK to blast a Fog horn in to the phone, so the Paper pirate callers will get the message? Seems perfectly acceptable if shut the office door and then tell them kindly "I'll transfer you to Mr. Horn, please hold", then BLAST away!
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I had a used car dealer call me up for payment for the 28 used fords he was delivering. gave me the name of the director of fleet. so I pointed out that they do all payments via wire transfer, and he would have an agreement for the payment, and a address to submit document to, not to mention I would have coppies of the PO and we didnt buy any used cars in the past 20 years here. sigh, it takes all kinds I supose. some of the kinds though it would be nice to eliminate.
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We have gotten some seriously messed up stuff! I reject it when it comes in, but some of the Authorization has been from talking to voice mail! WTF!!! Anymore, I don't let any calls into the building unless I ask the person WHO is calling and WHAT company they represent and what they want. Then I either hang up on them or send them to "General mail" which I control. I know the names of our legitimate vendors and I don't let these fools pass.
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Fraud of all types is up significantly in the last few years, and I believe thats normal in a recession. fucking dirtbags need to go straight to hell.
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Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
Like I said maybe not political, but def a way people try to rip off large facilities. |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:07:38 PM | |
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yeah, apparently they frown no screaming "FUCK OFF AND DIE ASSHOLE" into the phone at work.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:37:45 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Which brings us back to Shot Peening vs. Sandblasting. I'm leaning more toward the sandblasting now as I believe it would be more painful! HA!! I wish I could sand blast all illegal oders to our facility too, and then give them back to the UPS man. As for all the calls, why doesn't office etiquett dictate it is OK to blast a Fog horn in to the phone, so the Paper pirate callers will get the message? Seems perfectly acceptable if shut the office door and then tell them kindly "I'll transfer you to Mr. Horn, please hold", then BLAST away!
| | | Head banger wrote: | | I had a used car dealer call me up for payment for the 28 used fords he was delivering. gave me the name of the director of fleet. so I pointed out that they do all payments via wire transfer, and he would have an agreement for the payment, and a address to submit document to, not to mention I would have coppies of the PO and we didnt buy any used cars in the past 20 years here. sigh, it takes all kinds I supose. some of the kinds though it would be nice to eliminate.
| | | spapad wrote: | | We have gotten some seriously messed up stuff! I reject it when it comes in, but some of the Authorization has been from talking to voice mail! WTF!!! Anymore, I don't let any calls into the building unless I ask the person WHO is calling and WHAT company they represent and what they want. Then I either hang up on them or send them to "General mail" which I control. I know the names of our legitimate vendors and I don't let these fools pass.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Fraud of all types is up significantly in the last few years, and I believe thats normal in a recession. fucking dirtbags need to go straight to hell.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
Like I said maybe not political, but def a way people try to rip off large facilities. |
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Which brings us back to Shot Peening vs. Sandblasting. I'm leaning more toward the sandblasting now as I believe it would be more painful! HA!! I wish I could sand blast all illegal oders to our facility too, and then give them back to the UPS man. As for all the calls, why doesn't office etiquett dictate it is OK to blast a Fog horn in to the phone, so the Paper pirate callers will get the message? Seems perfectly acceptable if shut the office door and then tell them kindly "I'll transfer you to Mr. Horn, please hold", then BLAST away!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:39:32 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | I had a used car dealer call me up for payment for the 28 used fords he was delivering. gave me the name of the director of fleet. so I pointed out that they do all payments via wire transfer, and he would have an agreement for the payment, and a address to submit document to, not to mention I would have coppies of the PO and we didnt buy any used cars in the past 20 years here. sigh, it takes all kinds I supose. some of the kinds though it would be nice to eliminate.
| | | spapad wrote: | | We have gotten some seriously messed up stuff! I reject it when it comes in, but some of the Authorization has been from talking to voice mail! WTF!!! Anymore, I don't let any calls into the building unless I ask the person WHO is calling and WHAT company they represent and what they want. Then I either hang up on them or send them to "General mail" which I control. I know the names of our legitimate vendors and I don't let these fools pass.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Fraud of all types is up significantly in the last few years, and I believe thats normal in a recession. fucking dirtbags need to go straight to hell.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
Like I said maybe not political, but def a way people try to rip off large facilities. |
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I had a used car dealer call me up for payment for the 28 used fords he was delivering. gave me the name of the director of fleet. so I pointed out that they do all payments via wire transfer, and he would have an agreement for the payment, and a address to submit document to, not to mention I would have coppies of the PO and we didnt buy any used cars in the past 20 years here. sigh, it takes all kinds I supose. some of the kinds though it would be nice to eliminate.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:06:00 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | We have gotten some seriously messed up stuff! I reject it when it comes in, but some of the Authorization has been from talking to voice mail! WTF!!! Anymore, I don't let any calls into the building unless I ask the person WHO is calling and WHAT company they represent and what they want. Then I either hang up on them or send them to "General mail" which I control. I know the names of our legitimate vendors and I don't let these fools pass.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Fraud of all types is up significantly in the last few years, and I believe thats normal in a recession. fucking dirtbags need to go straight to hell.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
Like I said maybe not political, but def a way people try to rip off large facilities. |
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We have gotten some seriously messed up stuff! I reject it when it comes in, but some of the Authorization has been from talking to voice mail! WTF!!! Anymore, I don't let any calls into the building unless I ask the person WHO is calling and WHAT company they represent and what they want. Then I either hang up on them or send them to "General mail" which I control. I know the names of our legitimate vendors and I don't let these fools pass.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:57:40 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | Fraud of all types is up significantly in the last few years, and I believe thats normal in a recession. fucking dirtbags need to go straight to hell.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
Like I said maybe not political, but def a way people try to rip off large facilities. |
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Fraud of all types is up significantly in the last few years, and I believe thats normal in a recession. fucking dirtbags need to go straight to hell.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:55:24 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
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Ok, you know I'm not very polically minded or not good at it, but I have noticed a huge increase in what we like to call "Paper pirates" They try to call your facility and act like they are someone else and then send you something weather or not you actually agreed to have it sent at a mark up of 300% Reallly! Who asks you to pay 800.00 for a bulk of floresent lights!? I have learned to sort these people out before they come in contact with the orderers now. Anyone calling about our Copiers the magic words are " Are you with ROPHO Sales? (Which they would never contact us) and the caller hangs up straight away. Those shippers are nasty, and it takes vigillance to make sure their shipment does not stay in your facility.
Like I said maybe not political, but def a way people try to rip off large facilities. |
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:51:50 PM | |
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the problem is the we is hard to define. if lots of people do well, and a few starve, the we is good.
your right in that this sort of thing spurs creative thinking. if too many lose though, it starts a downward spiral that is very hard to recover from. the recession in the 30's would have gone on a lot longer without WWII.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by I.M.P. from Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:47:12 PM)| | | I.M.P. wrote: | | "Us" or "we" being the ones affected by this recession.
New industry ideas is where the most benefit lies as far as I'm concerned. To make anything faster, cheaper, better, or more efficient requires a "need," the finger that does the prodding. Nobody innovates without a motivation. These kind of times spur some creative thinking, that's for sure. This is where the recession "helps" business and consumers in the long run.
That which doesn't kill you may become a festering infection. Stealing away needed energy.... If too many are forced to cut to the bone, and market conditions do not improve, what next..?
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that which doesnt kill you makes you stronger???
define we.
some get more, some get less. hopefully new directions emerge, new industry and ideas, and more people end up in a stronger position.
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New topic: The Recession.
Just a short bit here. What's going to kill the recession? I'm wondering if anybody who's in manufacturing or retail has been experiencing what we have recently. Hungry vendors and salesmen. It's like a tank full of piranhas-they're all out there for that fish. The cost of much stock product is going down for us here-I'm wondering how widespread this is. Is this happening in a good way? I think so. The fatty companies that can't handle price wars are driven out being replaced by the lean and mean ones that've figured out how to make a buck without waste. The only thing is, I don't know what's going on with raw materials. I don't know if companies are killing themselves to make a buck with raw materials cost rising or staying static...
This is the way of the free market. Self correcting and efficient. What's it mean for "us," good, bad, ugly....? |
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| [I.M.P.] Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:47:12 PM | |
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"Us" or "we" being the ones affected by this recession.
New industry ideas is where the most benefit lies as far as I'm concerned. To make anything faster, cheaper, better, or more efficient requires a "need," the finger that does the prodding. Nobody innovates without a motivation. These kind of times spur some creative thinking, that's for sure. This is where the recession "helps" business and consumers in the long run.
That which doesn't kill you may become a festering infection. Stealing away needed energy.... If too many are forced to cut to the bone, and market conditions do not improve, what next..?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:32:31 PM)
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Head banger wrote: |
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that which doesnt kill you makes you stronger???
define we.
some get more, some get less. hopefully new directions emerge, new industry and ideas, and more people end up in a stronger position.
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I.M.P. wrote: |
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New topic: The Recession.
Just a short bit here. What's going to kill the recession? I'm wondering if anybody who's in manufacturing or retail has been experiencing what we have recently. Hungry vendors and salesmen. It's like a tank full of piranhas-they're all out there for that fish. The cost of much stock product is going down for us here-I'm wondering how widespread this is. Is this happening in a good way? I think so. The fatty companies that can't handle price wars are driven out being replaced by the lean and mean ones that've figured out how to make a buck without waste. The only thing is, I don't know what's going on with raw materials. I don't know if companies are killing themselves to make a buck with raw materials cost rising or staying static...
This is the way of the free market. Self correcting and efficient. What's it mean for "us," good, bad, ugly....? |
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:32:31 PM | |
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that which doesnt kill you makes you stronger???
define we.
some get more, some get less. hopefully new directions emerge, new industry and ideas, and more people end up in a stronger position.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by I.M.P. from Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:31:35 PM)| | | I.M.P. wrote: | | New topic: The Recession.
Just a short bit here. What's going to kill the recession? I'm wondering if anybody who's in manufacturing or retail has been experiencing what we have recently. Hungry vendors and salesmen. It's like a tank full of piranhas-they're all out there for that fish. The cost of much stock product is going down for us here-I'm wondering how widespread this is. Is this happening in a good way? I think so. The fatty companies that can't handle price wars are driven out being replaced by the lean and mean ones that've figured out how to make a buck without waste. The only thing is, I don't know what's going on with raw materials. I don't know if companies are killing themselves to make a buck with raw materials cost rising or staying static...
This is the way of the free market. Self correcting and efficient. What's it mean for "us," good, bad, ugly....? |
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| [I.M.P.] Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:31:35 PM | |
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New topic: The Recession.
Just a short bit here. What's going to kill the recession? I'm wondering if anybody who's in manufacturing or retail has been experiencing what we have recently. Hungry vendors and salesmen. It's like a tank full of piranhas-they're all out there for that fish. The cost of much stock product is going down for us here-I'm wondering how widespread this is. Is this happening in a good way? I think so. The fatty companies that can't handle price wars are driven out being replaced by the lean and mean ones that've figured out how to make a buck without waste. The only thing is, I don't know what's going on with raw materials. I don't know if companies are killing themselves to make a buck with raw materials cost rising or staying static...
This is the way of the free market. Self correcting and efficient. What's it mean for "us," good, bad, ugly....? |
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The book is interesting. I didnt bother typing the credit for that quote in as the date on it was 2051 and the name was no one I had ever heard of. I did think it a good summary though
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by I.M.P. from Monday, August 24, 2009 11:36:55 PM)| | | I.M.P. wrote: | | Yeah, my post seems kind of dumb now that I see you quoted this guy!
I wonder how the book shapes up from that quote.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Scientists and clerics have much in common. Both take a world that can’t be fully understood and try to explain its fundamental properties
Clerics postulate beliefs that can never be proven; they demand you accept these postulates as your faith, which will guide your actions and thoughts. It’s a top down way of thinking; start with the big picture and derive rules for living. Fundamental knowledge is static. Even the derived rules rarely change.
Scientists work from the bottom up. They build a baseline of observations and formulate theories to explain these phenomena. Nothing is sacred, with new observations; theories are discarded or modified to fit the facts. |
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| [I.M.P.] Monday, August 24, 2009 11:36:55 PM | |
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Yeah, my post seems kind of dumb now that I see you quoted this guy!
I wonder how the book shapes up from that quote.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, August 24, 2009 9:56:25 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | Scientists and clerics have much in common. Both take a world that can’t be fully understood and try to explain its fundamental properties
Clerics postulate beliefs that can never be proven; they demand you accept these postulates as your faith, which will guide your actions and thoughts. It’s a top down way of thinking; start with the big picture and derive rules for living. Fundamental knowledge is static. Even the derived rules rarely change.
Scientists work from the bottom up. They build a baseline of observations and formulate theories to explain these phenomena. Nothing is sacred, with new observations; theories are discarded or modified to fit the facts. |
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