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You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 5:14:18 PM)| |  | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, December 19, 2008 5:14:18 PM | |
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OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends. |
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| [Palmer Griffiths] Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:36:17 PM | |
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:47:52 AM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *ouch* Touche!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:46:00 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok... I will try to remember that. Which means ill probably forget it. In any case, I had a feeling that you are not entirely serious about it. But the "council of elders" was an idea that I thought was too good not to use on an... well... elder.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! facetious (adj) : joking or speaking in jest
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Fecetiwhatious?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Council of Elders??!??!? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! Oh strat, of course I was being facetious! Relax! I just knew you would get riled up over that!! HHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
 The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
 I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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| [_strat_] Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:46:00 AM | |
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Ok... I will try to remember that. Which means ill probably forget it. In any case, I had a feeling that you are not entirely serious about it. But the "council of elders" was an idea that I thought was too good not to use on an... well... elder.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:40:30 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! facetious (adj) : joking or speaking in jest
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Fecetiwhatious?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Council of Elders??!??!? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! Oh strat, of course I was being facetious! Relax! I just knew you would get riled up over that!! HHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:40:30 AM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! facetious (adj) : joking or speaking in jest
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:38:04 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Fecetiwhatious?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Council of Elders??!??!? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! Oh strat, of course I was being facetious! Relax! I just knew you would get riled up over that!! HHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:36:31 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Council of Elders??!??!? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! Oh strat, of course I was being facetious! Relax! I just knew you would get riled up over that!! HHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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Council of Elders??!??!? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! Oh strat, of course I was being facetious! Relax! I just knew you would get riled up over that!! HHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:34:36 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:26:38 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:19:59 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 05, 2008 4:55:42 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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Thank you. Thankyouverymuch......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 05, 2008 4:55:42 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 05, 2008 4:10:39 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 05, 2008 11:36:44 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 05, 2008 7:33:09 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
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Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM |
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533,000 jobs lost.. last month alone in the US.. How sad.. Now even if Obama Can pass his plan for the inferstructure, and to create jobs, building roads ect.. It will not create enough jobs to keep up with the job losses.
IDK.... I hope things turn around...
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HA!!!!!!!!!! Good Day, my friend!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 05, 2008 8:20:05 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, that is interesting. Even though I hate physics. But maybe thats just high school speaking of me..
In any case, time to leave now. I will try to be on in the evening.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Amazingly enough, I am not reading it to find anything "new". I like Prof. Stenger's approach. He is a physicist and uses phyisics in his arguments. He discusses the fact that the universe is really what one would expect it to be after a "big bang" and people and the earth are just as we should expect , etc. Not so much arguing faith and religion as the scientific aspects, which I find refreshing.
In all honesty, the last thing I want around here is another religious debate!!!
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A-HA!! So besides being a witch you are also an atheist! Lads, bring the cushions!
Seriously though, Ive been over and over the god argument with many people. For me its a fairy tale and thats the end of it. I will remember the title, but I guess that even if by some stroke of luck I find it, I wont learn anything really new.
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| HA!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man, strat! That is really disgusting!! HAHAHAHAAA!!!!! really though, you are a thought-provoking young lad! Always engaging. I am currently reading a book that may interest you. It is called, "God; The Failed Hypothesis. How science shows God does not exist." Ripping good stuff!
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Well, that is interesting. Even though I hate physics. But maybe thats just high school speaking of me..
In any case, time to leave now. I will try to be on in the evening.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 05, 2008 8:15:21 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Amazingly enough, I am not reading it to find anything "new". I like Prof. Stenger's approach. He is a physicist and uses phyisics in his arguments. He discusses the fact that the universe is really what one would expect it to be after a "big bang" and people and the earth are just as we should expect , etc. Not so much arguing faith and religion as the scientific aspects, which I find refreshing.
In all honesty, the last thing I want around here is another religious debate!!!
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A-HA!! So besides being a witch you are also an atheist! Lads, bring the cushions!
Seriously though, Ive been over and over the god argument with many people. For me its a fairy tale and thats the end of it. I will remember the title, but I guess that even if by some stroke of luck I find it, I wont learn anything really new.
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| HA!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man, strat! That is really disgusting!! HAHAHAHAAA!!!!! really though, you are a thought-provoking young lad! Always engaging. I am currently reading a book that may interest you. It is called, "God; The Failed Hypothesis. How science shows God does not exist." Ripping good stuff!
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Amazingly enough, I am not reading it to find anything "new". I like Prof. Stenger's approach. He is a physicist and uses phyisics in his arguments. He discusses the fact that the universe is really what one would expect it to be after a "big bang" and people and the earth are just as we should expect , etc. Not so much arguing faith and religion as the scientific aspects, which I find refreshing.
In all honesty, the last thing I want around here is another religious debate!!!
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A-HA!! So besides being a witch you are also an atheist! Lads, bring the cushions!
Seriously though, Ive been over and over the god argument with many people. For me its a fairy tale and thats the end of it. I will remember the title, but I guess that even if by some stroke of luck I find it, I wont learn anything really new.
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| HA!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man, strat! That is really disgusting!! HAHAHAHAAA!!!!! really though, you are a thought-provoking young lad! Always engaging. I am currently reading a book that may interest you. It is called, "God; The Failed Hypothesis. How science shows God does not exist." Ripping good stuff!
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A-HA!! So besides being a witch you are also an atheist! Lads, bring the cushions!
Seriously though, Ive been over and over the god argument with many people. For me its a fairy tale and thats the end of it. I will remember the title, but I guess that even if by some stroke of luck I find it, I wont learn anything really new.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 05, 2008 8:04:51 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man, strat! That is really disgusting!! HAHAHAHAAA!!!!! really though, you are a thought-provoking young lad! Always engaging. I am currently reading a book that may interest you. It is called, "God; The Failed Hypothesis. How science shows God does not exist." Ripping good stuff!
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