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[Zomby] Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:14:13 AM 
apparently its heading for n01 in british album chart
[Jeanine] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:36:56 PM 

How old are people in this thread? Can't there be an adult chat about this? Wow. One might not like Iron Maiden, but to say they suck is a little strange to me. They clearly can play quite well. I still have not formed a decent opinion about the new album. I must add that nothing jumps out at me IMHO. Please know that my favorite albums by Iron Maiden are Iron Maiden and Killers. I have seen Maiden in 1983 and I have seen them in 2009. They are just simply an amazing live band. Even though my favorite two albums are the first two, I think Bruce Dickinson is perfect as a frontman for them now. I tend to prefer Steve Harris written songs over anyone else in the band. When I hear a song I love by them it is usually written by him. I don't absolutley love the past few albums but I do really like A Matter of Life and Death. I think that was a great album. I also like the song Paschendale off of Dance of Death. It is fantastic. Everyone has their opinions, it doesn't mean we have to agree with them. That is kind of control freak mentality.

[icecreamman] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 6:26:03 PM 
I have to agree JD. Add me to the 95%.
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[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 5:55:21 PM 
hey BRIAN when you say up the irons do you mean maiden rules 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40:32 PM)
[Vaillant 3.0] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:18:04 PM 
Hey! I'm a member of the Barry Gibb Chatroom. Get your facts straight, mistah!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:02:00 PM)
[Brian_Evans] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:40:32 PM 
Yes I always check the Saxon site for the latest and greatest opinions and insight on a new album release. lmao

UP THE IRONS
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:03:53 PM 
Yes paorcamp the album is 100% "SHIT".  Brian Evans is an asshole and a "loser" in life as everybody obviously already knows,but thats NOT why I bash  "Iron Laimen". I bash Iron Laimen because they are mother fuckin "Lame". If they would of put out a decent album like Piece Of Mind or Powerslave I would of just shut my mouth and gave credit where credit is due,but "The Final Frontier"? Oh fuck no way!  

95% of the Saxon forum thinks the album is 100% shit as well as this site,and as well as the Halford site too.There is only about 5% of fanboys that like it and would suck Dickinson's balls if he asked them too,actually they would do it without him asking. Don't just take my word,go and have a full listen yourself,this album is horrible.

The latest Saxon LP "Into The Labyrinth"(13 songs) may not be thier best as the single "Live To Rock" is 100% "crap" and fucking stupid and embarrassing as well as one more track  in "Hellcat"(fucking totally weak!) but at least the rest of the 11 songs are quality decent Saxon,I can't come close to saying that about the final frontier. 

These opinions about Iron Laimen would be here rather Evans is here or not,thats what that dumb fucker doesn't realize,but nobody expected him to figure this out as everybody knows that he is not that smart.What a loser.
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[Brian_Evans] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:23:14 AM 
Oh yeah...UP THE IRONS.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:21:03 AM)
[Brian_Evans] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:21:03 AM 
"Go to the Saxon thread and start bashing"

Ok bash-boy, I'll have to lower my standards to post in that thread but I can do that. lmao In the meantime just knock yourself out and keep posting in here cause it doesn't bother me one bit. You and your heavy metal sister Vaillant 2.0 can post all you want. lmao
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[Brian_Evans] Wednesday, August 18, 2010 7:08:01 AM 
I wouldn't rely too much on Diamond's comments because he's an Iron Maiden bash-boy. He had his negative opinion in his head before the cd even came out. What does that tell you? lol UP THE IRONS.
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[paorcamp] Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:05:17 PM 
well, I'll have to listen to it to have a valid opinion about the album but the fact that the last ones haven't been worth listening to makes it very hard to take the time with this one...so far I can say that I really hate what they did to eddie...even when he changes always and we see something different in every album cover, he keeps like the same distinctive characteristics that makes you recognize him whenever you see it...but this one is bad as hell!! and he doesn't even look like "an eddie"...I think the artwork is crap, and it does not even encourage me to listen to its content ...mainly after reading JD's comments...and maybe many people feel the same way

so I'll keep listening to the real albums...the old ones...

I also think they are coming to be what metallica or shitallica currently achieved...shit!  and yes...another influential and important band in our metal world leaves our side to join the happy world ruled by money....next think we'll see is that they support some kind of "asian dream" or that they're having "a beautiful day"...that's treason to their roots...and very disappointing...
[Becks] Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:05:06 PM 
Can't say I'm very excited to listen to it LOL! Nor am I in a hurry too, sadly, lol.
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:30:47 PM 
(lol!) I don't give a flying "fuck" what you think dipshit,Iron Maiden sucks balls like you do and I'll be posting here as long as this thread is open and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Go to the Saxon thread and start bashing Saxon I don't give a shit,I'll laugh my ass off reading anything you have to offer,but keep in mind....I'll always be here after every post you make fanboy lol! 

This new Iron Maiden album is total "shit" and its my right to say so.  I know it and 90% of heavy metal fans know it too.Don't like it Evans? LOL! TOO BAD!!!
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[Brian_Evans] Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:02:00 PM 
Oh yeah...I'm sure the Thompson Twins website would welcome your opinions and insight. I think Vaillant 3.0 is a member there so you would have a friend to chat with. lmao   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:26 PM)
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[Brian_Evans] Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:26 PM 
I don't care what you say or think about the new Maiden album. Your opinion doesn't matter to me at all so you might as well move on and stop wasting your time here in this thread. But if you want to keep rambling on and on saying the same thing over and over then knock yourself out. The Maiden thread is here to stay. UP THE IRONS.




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[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:36:10 PM 
Yes Vail,this album is "SHIT".  Only weak minded people will like this piece of shit of a recording like the weak minded Brian Evans(yes the fucking fake one). What a fucking lame product it really is. Bruce's voice is crappy,he is struggling to hit the high notes and it shows,the songs every one of them are "shit". This is the worse piece of garbage by Bruce I have ever heard and apparently 90% of fans think the same way.The other 10% are "fanboys".

Down the Evans and down the fuckin Irons. This band is "DEAD" like they have been for 24 years now."FUCK OFF" to Iron Maiden those weak bastards!
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[Vaillant 3.0] Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:22:00 PM 
The Final Frontier=overall pain in the ass to listen to. Bruce's voice hasn't aged well, to be honest. His high notes sounded weak and annoying and he says too much in one line. How he takes a breath in between lines is beyond me. I would not recommend this album if you want to have a good time. This is music to listen to if you want to fall into a coma. If this is Iron Maiden trying to be progressive, then they aren't doing a good job.
The Talisman, Where the Wild Wind Blows, The Man Who Would be King, Mother of Mercy, and Starblind, especially =


My one salvation from the crappiness of the former: 1916 from Mötorhead. well done, Lemmy and co.!!
[Brian_Evans] Tuesday, August 17, 2010 7:25:14 AM 
Its their 15th studio heavy metal album. Amazing! UP THE IRONS!

The Final Frontier - the return of Iron Maiden

Tue, Aug 17 2010 16:30 CET



It has been four long years since the last Iron Maiden album, almost to the date. And as the day of release of the 15 studio record, The Final Frontier approached, the buzz in the air for diehard fans began resembling that of a Cup Final match. At last, August 16 was upon us, and the long awaited D Day (in Sofia, Bulgaria, anyway) arrived. A swift cup of bitter coffee in the morning and off to the music store before work, but as luck would have it – it was closed. I extended my heartfelt wishes to the family of the store's owner and vowed to be back at 6pm. Several hours later, I ran through the front door, and with a sweaty grin asked the bloke behind the counter:

"Do you have it?"

"Have what?" And almost as soon as he realised the sheer daftness of his question, he pulled a grin and said "Oh, right mate, yes, of course we got it."

Iron Maiden are a band who are unflinchingly British heavy-metal but who, unlike many others around, are not afraid to evolve their music, but do so in a way that preserves their heritage and identity. The Final Frontier (or rather, the New Frontier) has nothing to do with Killers, or Piece of Mind, or Somewhere in Time. It has no relation to Brave New World or The X Factor either, and yet, the unmistakable Maiden signature is evident from top to bottom. It takes only two notes for you to know, that this is, indeed, Maiden. They have evolved over the years but fans should – and we do – take each album as it is. And herein, lies the problem. Although I am supposed to write a critical review for the album, being a die-hard Maiden fan since 1989, it is all rather difficult, because I tend to be more critical and do take it more emotionally than someone neutral who would simply listen to it and just reflect on it.

The Final Frontier begins with Satellite 15, a four-minute introduction to the title song The Final Frontier. This opening is as dark as Maiden gets. To say that this song is bizarre would be a gross understatement. The bass, drums, guitars and the vocals sound like you are in a spaceship drifting somewhere in space. Uncontrollably. Chaotically. The dimension of time, space, madness and chaos all intertwined, blasted through the bass of Steve Harris, and sound of the triple guitar attack. Nicko McBrain's drumming is heavy and atmospheric, and you are instantly submerged in some bizarre world. The fabric of the sound, the sheer chaos of it all is completely un-Maidenish, considering their obsession with immaculate harmonies and melodies. And then suddenly one drifts into the Final Frontier, and a more typical Iron Maiden sound.

To analyse the album - song, by song, would be tedious, it would take ages and it will not do the music any justice, so I will refrain from doing it. There are several reasons for that. The album is very complex, rich in composite harmonies, time changes, elaborate and epic solos and diverse vocal lines. Everyone would hear something that someone else is bound to omit, or not bother reflect on it. What makes the album hard to describe is that it lacks "distinguishable hits", just as there are no "weak links". It is the sort of composite album that takes time to grow on you, it needs to ferment properly, one must listen to it several times, and with each go, new covert harmonies, solos, drum beats, vocal and bass lines, are discovered.

What to expect? Its a conceptual album for the most part, much like the 1988 vintage Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, only the theme is futuristic, although not all songs would fit the mould. And apart from The Alchemist, Coming Home and Mother of Mercy (songs that are roughly five minutes in length), you will be treated to an epic, after epic, after epic, songs which are anywhere from eight to eleven minutes in length.

Heavy riffs on Starblind sounding like a lost spaceship, drifting through a distant galaxy, while that is interspersed with folkish melodies that first appeared on Dance Of Death, and were subsequently perfected on A Matter Of Life And Death and are now featured again. The Alchemist recalls lyrical themes of redemption, of battle-worn philosophy. And just about everywhere, you will encounter Maiden's unmistakable genetic makeup – their trademark 200km/h gallop. Adrian Smith, who is very heavily involved in the song writing process along with Steve Harris, has some mouth-watering solos, and the triple guitar attack with Dave Murray and Janick Gers, is as always, refined, simultaneously melodic, beautiful and brutal. Dave Murray has co-written only one song this time around, The Man Who Would be King, while Bruce Dickinson has co-written four, along with Harris, Smith and Gers.

The verdict? The album is positive, dark, it is heavy and melodic and sad all at the same time. Rich in beautiful vocal lines and guitar harmonies. It is soft and aggressive, heavy and enchanting. Is it better than their vintage? No it isn't, and it isn't worse. It is just different, and progressive but the Final Frontier is unmistakably – Iron Maiden. Make no mistake - there is no selling out here. Real Maiden fans ought to buy it because they will like it – it is as simple as that. It is also bound to attract its new share of fans on board of the Maiden bandwagon. As for those of you out there who never liked Maiden's music in the first place – don't worry – you won't like this one either, and that's just as well, because you are not welcomed in the community anyway.

Over a career chaptered by 15 studio albums spanning about 35 years, Maiden have always experimented with their ideas, but since Dickinson and Smith returned to the fold for Brave New World, the band have enriched their patented gallop with a generous dose of musical exploration. The scary thing is, they are getting older, better and more refined with time.

Considering their age, and the amount of time Maiden has been around, it is shocking just how good, modern and relevant they sound – by doing exactly the opposite – never being fashion conscious, never betraying their roots, and never wanting to be bloody relevant in the first place.

Was it worth the wait? Abso-bloody-lutely.

Up the Irons!

The songs, in full:

01  Satellite 15... The Final Frontier
02. El Dorado
03. Mother Of Mercy
04. Coming Home
05. The Alchemist
06. Isle Of Avalon
07. Starblind
08. The Talisman
09. The Man Who Would Be King
10. When The Wild Wind Blows
     
     
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    [J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, August 16, 2010 1:27:29 PM 
    LOL!  What a load of shit!  Down the Evans and down the fuckin Irons!!
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    [Brian_Evans] Monday, August 16, 2010 12:21:22 PM 
    Congrats. to Iron Maiden on the release of the new Final Frontier cd. UP THE IRONS!







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