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At the end of the day i don't think Priest should always do what the fans are expecting cause they probably get bored of doing 'typical Priest stuff'. They are human beings and this is their career they should be able to have fun doing it and if coming up with a completely different album gives them the rush they never had from their career then they should be entitled to do that. They can't always just 'stay loyal' to there old fans cause they need to try and attract new ones too. But if you don't like it that's cool, everyone has a different opinion.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Friday, May 22, 2009 1:12:31 PM)| |  | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | I wasn't trying to get the songs to sound the same i'm tring to get the similarity in style/ mood correct, some you obviously disagree with and that's fine but it's what i personally think is round about the same style. I don't compare these songs to others and even if i did i aint dissapointed with Nostradamus it's in my top 5 Priest albums without a doubt and i'm not saying that cause it's the latest release and all the hype etc, i generally believe it is one of their best albums musically, it really hits home that they spent a hell of a lot of time on this and have put more thought into the lyrics and the composition, everything is awesome. I just wish the drumming and production were a little better, but that's my opinion. There is the odd cheesy moment in there but its Priest they've always done things like that. And yes correct Maniac i was refering to the solo section in Death that is similar to Dissident Aggressor. Nostradamus is a kick ass album and i can't wait for them to get back in the studio and start recording their next master piece. (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, May 22, 2009 10:55:01 AM)
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I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
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I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:55:46 AM |
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| [ron h] Saturday, May 23, 2009 7:32:14 AM | |
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Nah...you're not the only that don't like it, not all my friends like it either...but I think Turbo was more of a shock to me than Nos was...at least with Nos they weren't playing to my kids (lol), I don't think Turbo was anywhere near as accepted as Nos is...but hey, to each their own...I do agree that I hope the next studio release is more along the lines of classic Priest like AoR was as I love it when Glen and KK tear it up...the best combo in the biz I say...and I am more than ready to kick it with 'em!!!
...as for you being argumentative??...I hadn't noticed... 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:13:41 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | LOL! Upset? (lol!) Nah man,I'm not "upset" at all...I just LOVE to argue!!! LOL! And why would I not like an album because people like it? That makes no sense to me.
I don't like it because "I don't like it" simple as that man. I do like to argue and debate things,thats all. I'm no where near "upset". LOL!
This reminds me of 1986 and the Turbo album all over again with the fan base split down the middle on thier opinions about the album.
No worries,I just don't "get" Nostradamus at all,I'm glad all of you like it and are enjoying it though. I'm the odd ball out and I'm fine with that! LOL!
Upset? LOL!!!!
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D., been awhile since we chatted, eh?? I'm not sure if you don't like Nos because you don't like the music or because some ppl like it, but I know you get more upset the more you talk bout it...lol
It's cool to not like it, I don't care for Turbo myself, though there's a couple songs on it that are alright...
I like Nos, but I like it for what it is and it's definately not typical Priest, but in this case I don't think it's a bad thing...the band did tell us it was gonna be different from anything else...I do find it hard to believe that you don't like any of it as there are moments through out it that are heavily influenced by the 70's sound and the classic style...but hey, we all have our own tastes...I don't think it was a step backwards as much as a lateral move into a different style...I must admit that the more I listened to it the better it got...I can't remember the song (maybe the title track??) that the riff sounds like the riff on Nailed To The Gun, off the first Fight release...I think if you look hard enough, there's a little gem in there for everyone...just my opinion...take it easy man!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:13:41 AM | |
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LOL! Upset? (lol!) Nah man,I'm not "upset" at all...I just LOVE to argue!!! LOL! And why would I not like an album because people like it? That makes no sense to me.
I don't like it because "I don't like it" simple as that man. I do like to argue and debate things,thats all. I'm no where near "upset". LOL!
This reminds me of 1986 and the Turbo album all over again with the fan base split down the middle on thier opinions about the album.
No worries,I just don't "get" Nostradamus at all,I'm glad all of you like it and are enjoying it though. I'm the odd ball out and I'm fine with that! LOL!
Upset? LOL!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, May 22, 2009 6:08:50 PM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hey there J.D., been awhile since we chatted, eh?? I'm not sure if you don't like Nos because you don't like the music or because some ppl like it, but I know you get more upset the more you talk bout it...lol
It's cool to not like it, I don't care for Turbo myself, though there's a couple songs on it that are alright...
I like Nos, but I like it for what it is and it's definately not typical Priest, but in this case I don't think it's a bad thing...the band did tell us it was gonna be different from anything else...I do find it hard to believe that you don't like any of it as there are moments through out it that are heavily influenced by the 70's sound and the classic style...but hey, we all have our own tastes...I don't think it was a step backwards as much as a lateral move into a different style...I must admit that the more I listened to it the better it got...I can't remember the song (maybe the title track??) that the riff sounds like the riff on Nailed To The Gun, off the first Fight release...I think if you look hard enough, there's a little gem in there for everyone...just my opinion...take it easy man!!!
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [ron h] Friday, May 22, 2009 6:08:50 PM | |
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Hey there J.D., been awhile since we chatted, eh?? I'm not sure if you don't like Nos because you don't like the music or because some ppl like it, but I know you get more upset the more you talk bout it...lol
It's cool to not like it, I don't care for Turbo myself, though there's a couple songs on it that are alright...
I like Nos, but I like it for what it is and it's definately not typical Priest, but in this case I don't think it's a bad thing...the band did tell us it was gonna be different from anything else...I do find it hard to believe that you don't like any of it as there are moments through out it that are heavily influenced by the 70's sound and the classic style...but hey, we all have our own tastes...I don't think it was a step backwards as much as a lateral move into a different style...I must admit that the more I listened to it the better it got...I can't remember the song (maybe the title track??) that the riff sounds like the riff on Nailed To The Gun, off the first Fight release...I think if you look hard enough, there's a little gem in there for everyone...just my opinion...take it easy man!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, May 22, 2009 4:17:37 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, May 22, 2009 5:51:21 PM | |
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Those 3 albums are of course different,but they still run along the same formual,like Screaming,Defenders,Painkiller,Angel...ect....
This band does not have much "time" left and it would be a shame to see them go out of thier career with Nostradamus...or worse....a "Nostradamus part 2!!!"
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, May 22, 2009 5:24:11 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | but those three albums are all different. great yes, but not the same.
change is fine, nost, well not so much.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [Head banger] Friday, May 22, 2009 5:24:11 PM | |
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but those three albums are all different. great yes, but not the same.
change is fine, nost, well not so much.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, May 22, 2009 4:17:37 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, May 22, 2009 4:17:37 PM | |
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One thing I can't understand is that many of you are saying in one way or another.."Priest shouldn't keep to the same formula".....
Why the %&*# not? Everybody jumps for JOY when we talk about "PAINKILLER"..."SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE"......."BRITISH STEEL"....
But when it comes to a new album.....you all want "something off the wall different"....??? WTF? LOL!
Maybe some of you don't really like those classic albums as much as you say you do.
To me,Nostradamus is "TERRIBLE" and "BORING". It stinks of boring song writting and to me reflects nothing to the 70's style Priest at all....maybe a small riff here or there but never in the vien of 70's Priest.
The use of these keyboards is nothing new.....the song structures in tracks like "Awakening/Revelations" sounds like German progressive power metal band "Blind Guardian" whom I do not like....
.....but its Blind Guardian's style at least.
To me,Judas Priest took a "step backwards" with Nostradamus...its already been done with other bands,they did not come up with this sound on thier own...they sound like they copied it from progressive bands such as Blind Guardian.
I'm not trying to change anybody's mind here,.....if some like Nostradamus so be it,I never will and I've listened to it about 20 times all the way through just to make sure I've heard all aspects of the album,and each time I've listened to it,it gets worse. After about 19 or 20 times throughout a spand of a year...I'm done with it,and probably will never listen to it again.
I am not a "fan boy" and will not accept an under-par album from JP.
They are to old to be trying new tricks for fans of other styles of music. To me,they should be writting HEAVY METAL instead of progressive opera and bullshit like Nostradamus.
They have never stayed "true" to thier loyal fans,this is one thing that I do not like about Judas Priest. |
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| [JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Friday, May 22, 2009 1:12:31 PM | |
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I wasn't trying to get the songs to sound the same i'm tring to get the similarity in style/ mood correct, some you obviously disagree with and that's fine but it's what i personally think is round about the same style. I don't compare these songs to others and even if i did i aint dissapointed with Nostradamus it's in my top 5 Priest albums without a doubt and i'm not saying that cause it's the latest release and all the hype etc, i generally believe it is one of their best albums musically, it really hits home that they spent a hell of a lot of time on this and have put more thought into the lyrics and the composition, everything is awesome. I just wish the drumming and production were a little better, but that's my opinion. There is the odd cheesy moment in there but its Priest they've always done things like that. And yes correct Maniac i was refering to the solo section in Death that is similar to Dissident Aggressor. Nostradamus is a kick ass album and i can't wait for them to get back in the studio and start recording their next master piece. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, May 22, 2009 10:55:01 AM)
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I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
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I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:55:46 AM |
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| [\m/ Metal Maniac \m/] Friday, May 22, 2009 12:54:08 PM | |
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I think he was referring to the solo section in Death that makes it sound like Dissident Aggressor. That solo riff is as 70's Priest as it gets. There are plenty of subtle traces that refer to old Priest tunes as was delineated (I might even say Visions sounds like Blood Red Skies). It's like I said, whether or not it's a good album is one thing, and while it's a move in a different direction it's still classic Priest in every way. It can still be embraced by diehard Priest fans as they do any other album. You gotta at least respect Priest's desire to NOT rest on its laurels. At least they didn't attempt to relive their former glories (as evidenced by Angel of Retribution's lyrical references to older songs). I personally love the album because it's got so much ambition, but then again I've been huge on progressive metal bands as of late.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Friday, May 22, 2009 10:55:01 AM)| | | Bazooka Joe wrote: | | I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM
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I'm not hearing the similarities in the songs you listed man sorry haha.
Devil's Child sounds nothing like Revelations. Revelations isn't even really a fast song.
Same with P&P.
Death doesn't sound a thing like Dissident Agressor at all.
ETc. you see my point. The songs compared aren't even the same vibe or feel really.
I see what your trying to do but my advice is take Nostradamus for what it is, don't compare it to every other Priest album because you'll never enjoy it then. The only thing on the album that reminds me of another Priest song is Nostradamus and Painkiller, and that's just the main riff in both of them. There basically the same fucking riff haha.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JT_Small_Deadly_Space from Friday, May 22, 2009 5:47:11 AM)| | | JT_Small_Deadly_Space wrote: | | I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM
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I'm going do a similarity comparison here of Nostradamus songs to other songs in Priests career, someone feel free to agree, disagree by all means but remember this is going off the style i think to be correct. Ok i'll exclude the preludes and inbetweeners.
Prophecy - Some heads are gonna Roll
War - Unique
Revelations - Devils Child
Pestilence and Plague - Call for the Priest
Death - Touch of evil, Dissident Aggressor
Conquest - Bloodstone
Lost Love - Epitaph
Persecution - Hellrider
Exhiled - Desert Plains
Alone - Angel
Visions - Tyrant
New Beginnings - Unique
Nostradamus - Painkiller
Future of Mankind - Unique
I'm not saying they sound exactly the same but this is how i would compare them. I would say there is plenty of classic Priest style songs in there even if they have adopted a different approach. Some can't compare why? because they did something different and all credit to them. Plenty of fans of Classic Priest especially from the 70's early 80's would like Nostradamus i believe. Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:02 AM Edited at: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49:32 AM
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Well i'll admit the first time i listened to Nostradamus i was a little dissapointed. I thought some of the songs were really boring and slow, yes some of them are slow and mid paced. However 1 year after its release and why do i find myself listening to it more than any other Priest album? I gave it a good chance i played it a few times around and some of the songs really jumped at me. Hell i think most of the 'main songs' on that album are fantastic. Dawn of Creation into Prophecy is goosebump inducing and that track is awesome i love it. Live, it almost brought a tear to my eye. The highlights i find are, Prophecy, Revelations (which has one of the best dark moody sections ever before the end of the song) Pestilence and Plague (Priest proved that they can create hooks even in foreign languages when you didn't know what they were singing, pretty genius i might add), Death (The most evil song ever and it is so moody it is fantastic and it erupts into Dissident Aggressor esc drumming and one of their heaviest riffs), Conquest (coupled with peace definately one of the highlights of the album) and, Persecution (J.D Diamond if you don't think that is Priest style heavy metal then you must be crazy lol one of the heaviest songs of their career with a vocally fantastic chorus and riffage), Alone (should have been a single, it's brilliant and among the best ballads they've written with Angel and Out in the Cold), Nostradamus (definately the most instrumentally impressive song on the album, the band really push theirselves on this, stunning) Future of Mankind (worth listening to for the end riffage but also has one of the best chorus's that they have ever written, love this song) it is a brilliant album and i have all of them from Rocka Rolla through to Nostradamus. I can honestly say it's one of their best. It just needs a chance to get into it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:24:39 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I know they don't do the same album year after year Maniac,they never have...but come on...really....you can't expect traditional heavy metal fans to embrace Nostradamus like they embrace Angel Of Retribution,Painkiller
Defenders Of The Faith,Screaming For Vengeance,British Steel,Hell Bent For Leather.......
I respectfully disagree with you on I don't think Nostradamus is "classic Priest in all intents and purposes at all. It does'nt have the JP sound to me at all,not to my ears. Neither did Turbo or Demolition.
| | | \m/ Metal Maniac \m/ wrote: | | I gotta respectfully disagree on the experimentation aspect, because I don't think Priest has ever stuck to one formula throughout their 30-plus years in metal music. Not one album completely sounds similar to another. Nostradamus is, to me, classic Priest in all intents and purposes. Whether or not it's a good album, well that's different.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Well its obvious that we are talking about two different kinds of "experimenting". The kind of "experimenting" on "Jugulator" is acceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,"Painkiller" and Angel Of Retribution.
The kind of "experimenting" on albums like "Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus" is unacceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,Painkiller,Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..ect...do you get it now or should I draw a bigger picture here? (lol!)?
So I'm pretty sure you didn't need to tell me to "check my facts first"...obviously you don't understand what we are talking about when we mention "experimental". So you better "check yourself for a "prostate exam". LOMFL!!!!!! (lol!)
And you said : "Last time I checked that was illegal" refering to my friend downloading the album for free.....what are YOU going to do about it....run around the world and save the day and turn me in? LOMFA!!! pppffff Give me a break man. LOL!
And ooohhh he used a Wha Wha pedal for both Jugulator and Demolition.......so what? He used one on British Steel(Steeler) also and do we call British Steel an "experimental album"? No.
(Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I know they don't do the same album year after year Maniac,they never have...but come on...really....you can't expect traditional heavy metal fans to embrace Nostradamus like they embrace Angel Of Retribution,Painkiller
Defenders Of The Faith,Screaming For Vengeance,British Steel,Hell Bent For Leather.......
I respectfully disagree with you on I don't think Nostradamus is "classic Priest in all intents and purposes at all. It does'nt have the JP sound to me at all,not to my ears. Neither did Turbo or Demolition.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by \m/ Metal Maniac \m/ from Thursday, May 21, 2009 5:28:21 PM)| | | \m/ Metal Maniac \m/ wrote: | | I gotta respectfully disagree on the experimentation aspect, because I don't think Priest has ever stuck to one formula throughout their 30-plus years in metal music. Not one album completely sounds similar to another. Nostradamus is, to me, classic Priest in all intents and purposes. Whether or not it's a good album, well that's different.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Well its obvious that we are talking about two different kinds of "experimenting". The kind of "experimenting" on "Jugulator" is acceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,"Painkiller" and Angel Of Retribution.
The kind of "experimenting" on albums like "Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus" is unacceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,Painkiller,Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..ect...do you get it now or should I draw a bigger picture here? (lol!)?
So I'm pretty sure you didn't need to tell me to "check my facts first"...obviously you don't understand what we are talking about when we mention "experimental". So you better "check yourself for a "prostate exam". LOMFL!!!!!! (lol!)
And you said : "Last time I checked that was illegal" refering to my friend downloading the album for free.....what are YOU going to do about it....run around the world and save the day and turn me in? LOMFA!!! pppffff Give me a break man. LOL!
And ooohhh he used a Wha Wha pedal for both Jugulator and Demolition.......so what? He used one on British Steel(Steeler) also and do we call British Steel an "experimental album"? No.
(Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I gotta respectfully disagree on the experimentation aspect, because I don't think Priest has ever stuck to one formula throughout their 30-plus years in metal music. Not one album completely sounds similar to another. Nostradamus is, to me, classic Priest in all intents and purposes. Whether or not it's a good album, well that's different.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:00:16 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Well its obvious that we are talking about two different kinds of "experimenting". The kind of "experimenting" on "Jugulator" is acceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,"Painkiller" and Angel Of Retribution.
The kind of "experimenting" on albums like "Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus" is unacceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,Painkiller,Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..ect...do you get it now or should I draw a bigger picture here? (lol!)?
So I'm pretty sure you didn't need to tell me to "check my facts first"...obviously you don't understand what we are talking about when we mention "experimental". So you better "check yourself for a "prostate exam". LOMFL!!!!!! (lol!)
And you said : "Last time I checked that was illegal" refering to my friend downloading the album for free.....what are YOU going to do about it....run around the world and save the day and turn me in? LOMFA!!! pppffff Give me a break man. LOL!
And ooohhh he used a Wha Wha pedal for both Jugulator and Demolition.......so what? He used one on British Steel(Steeler) also and do we call British Steel an "experimental album"? No.
(Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
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icecreamman wrote: |
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
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J.D. DIAMOND wrote: |
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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Well its obvious that we are talking about two different kinds of "experimenting". The kind of "experimenting" on "Jugulator" is acceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,"Painkiller" and Angel Of Retribution.
The kind of "experimenting" on albums like "Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus" is unacceptable for fans of albums like Screaming For Vengeance,Painkiller,Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..ect...do you get it now or should I draw a bigger picture here? (lol!)?
So I'm pretty sure you didn't need to tell me to "check my facts first"...obviously you don't understand what we are talking about when we mention "experimental". So you better "check yourself for a "prostate exam". LOMFL!!!!!! (lol!)
And you said : "Last time I checked that was illegal" refering to my friend downloading the album for free.....what are YOU going to do about it....run around the world and save the day and turn me in? LOMFA!!! pppffff Give me a break man. LOL!
And ooohhh he used a Wha Wha pedal for both Jugulator and Demolition.......so what? He used one on British Steel(Steeler) also and do we call British Steel an "experimental album"? No.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
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My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
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Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
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I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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Ya, K.K. used a Wah-wah-pedal for Jugulator and Demolition. It was the DigiTech WH-4 Whammy 4 (MIDI able).
And he's useing the Dunlop GCB-535F Cry-baby-wah-wah pedal 'til the present!!
Dunlop GCB-535F:
DigiTech WH-4 Whammy 4:
K.K.'s pedalboard during the Jugulator and Demolition era:
GCB-535F > DigiTech WH-4 >
Rocktron MIDI mate MIDI-Foot-Controller
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Thursday, May 21, 2009 12:58:18 PM)| | | icecreamman wrote: | | I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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I forgot to mention that KK used a Wah Wah pedal for both Jugalator and Demolition, in case you are not aware he does not normally use one. Listen to Jugalator and any other Priest album, it sounds quite a bit different, and yes Tim Owens is the vocalist, just listen to the overall sound of the album. Its was experimental. Admit it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:25:46 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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Last time I checked that was illegal. Also truth be told even KK admits they experimented on Jugalator. Check your facts. |
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screaming in your face heavy meeettt ttttaaaaalllll.AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH what a rush of power J.D DIAMOND THY COMMANDER HELL YEAH
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:25:46 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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Without experimentation, I fear I would never have heard, "Solar Angles, Touch of Evil, Pain and Pleasure, Turbo Lover, Winter, and Dying to meet you, all of which I like. Wouldn't want them to not be in the "Catalouge" I would miss them, and there are many more I would put there too. I admire their work and as far as I'm concerned Troubleshooter, Private Property, Parental Guidance, and I'm not so crazy about Dont go" That's about all I can say out of the How many years now? that I really don't like. I think that's a good track record! I love more songs by Priest than most bands.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:25:46 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | My friend downloaded it for free just for me to listen to.Besides,youtube has all songs to listen to in its entirety.
And they did not experiment with Jugulator...all the songs run the same formula as Painkiller,Angel Of Retribution..ect......what is experimental about Jugulator? Nothing.
I am against "experimentation". I would be happy if Judas Priest quit experimenting and focus on "heavy metal"....
I don't want "something different" at all.....I want the same thing year after year......HEAVY METAL ...screaming in your face heavy metal....like hellrider likes!!! LOL!
When Angel Of Retribution was released..you didn't hear anybody complaining that "it wasn't experimental enough"??? No,fans were thrilled to hear a killer JP recording without any B.S.
Nostradamus is boring and flat,and is way to mellow and slow.
| | | icecreamman wrote: | | Actually Priest did experiment with Jugalator.
By the way, I just want to know, How have you heard Nostradomus without buying it?
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I understand your opinion,but don't agree with it and thats alright.
But to me,Judas Priest did NOT EXPERIMENT with albums like Rocka Rolla being thier first they did not experiment,then with albums like Sad Wings Of Destiny, Sin After Sin, Stained Class, Hell Bent For Leather
"British Steel", Screaming For Vengeance, Defenders Of The Faith, Painkiller, Jugulator and Angel Of Retribution..... these 11 albums Judas Priest did not experiment with...they just wrote Priest styled heavy metal...
The albums they did experiment with were "Point Of Entry" with trying different tracks commercial like "Don't Go - You Say Yes- Trouble Shooter,All The Way - On the run....
Then the horrible album "Turbo, Ram It Down, Demolition and Nostradamus. Those 5 albums they experimented with and each one of them "failed".....every time they "failed"...they came back with a NORMAL Judas Priest album.
After experimenting with Point Of Entry....they came back with "Screaming For Vengeance.
After experimenting with "Turbo & Ram It Down"(since the two were supposed to be a double album)..they came back with "Painkiller".
After experimenting with "Demolition"....they came back with "Angel Of Retribution".
So history shows that every time they fail at an experimental album,they always come back with a NORMAL traditional JP album like I mentioned.
I think that they will do the same after failing at Nostradamus.
I also believe that most people are forcing themselves to like Nostradamus because of its epic magnitude.
I have many albums that are just as "epic" and massive as Nostradamus that blow it away because of the strong song writting.
Just my thoughts,no worries. I'm glad you enjoy Nostradamus,I sure don't,...never bought it and never will.Thats one of 3 JP albums I will never have on my shelf space.
Then take Saxon for example...they wrote thier last 7 LPs on running on the same formula,yet none of them sound "the same"....and they kick the crap out of JP's experimental albums by far.
(Quoting Message by chileansteel from Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:16:01 PM)
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It is a fact that we see things differently. There are some bands that always follow the same formula and it`s alright, it`s safe. But there are other bands that look for new challenges and don`t get satisfied only with selling albums, receiving money or making their fans happy, doing the same thing all the time. That`s the easy way!. Judas Priest falls into the second category. They just let their creativity flow and dare to do new things which I think is great. They`ve learned and evolved thanks to experimentation. They`ve always wanted to go beyond. If they hadn`t challenged themselves, we wouldn`t have albums like British Steel, Defenders of the Faith, Painkiller, Angel of Retribution, Nostradamus. If they hadn`t dared to do new things we would still be listening to albums in the vain of Rocka Rolla.
It`s great to see these Metal Gods stretching their wings and doing what they feel. Good musicians as Judas Priest always feel the need of inventing and reinventing. That`s why they`ve been around so long. They don`t need to repeat themselves over and over because they have the experience, musicianship and talent to create an original job and this has allowed them to be in the vanguard.
We have to consider it`s really difficult to be at the top for almost 40 years, being creative, original, doing Metal, which is a very complex style.
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I could'nt disagree with you more here. I do however respect your opinion though. I don't think its a good idea for "METAL" bands to "experiment".
Thats just my personal opinion I realise. Take people who are not Judas Priest freaks like us but still love "heavy metal".......almost ALL of them do not like Nostradamus.
I swear,if it was Iron Maiden that did Nostradamus,everybody on this site would HATE IT! LOL! Its true...lol!!!
But since its JP..........
I think Judas Priest wasted thier time with experimental albums.....Point Of Entry may have some good tracks on it,but half of them are really under-par songs that are easy to forget.
Turbo,Ram It Down,Demolition and Nostradamus all of them are JP experimenting in one way or another.
Take Metallica....99.9% of all people big tall short and small all like thier first 3 albums with Cliff the best.....and its for good reason...."the song writting".
I feel that with the experimenting on Nostradamus,it hampered Judas Priest's song writting big time.
I don't like it when bands do something different......thats just me,but I understand how,and why you enjoy Nostradamus.....I'll have to wait for the next record and hope its a normal album.
This is what I hate most about Judas Priest....they don't always "deliver the goods"..........I hate it when I have to guess what they are going to do next.....I think it sucks.
Bands like AC/DC,Motorhead,Saxon....you know what your going to get............its hard enough to write a killer album let alone trying to experiment along the way.
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I see another point in this debate too, and that is musical growth. Judas Priest are great musicians and, fortunately for us, they are full of ideas. You say Nostradamus is a masterpiece of experimentation and I agree with you. They explored new horizons with the album. They wanted to go beyond, adding new elements, techniques, knowledge within their style.
I`m sure many of you are musicians and you know experimentation is part of it. Sometimes you find yourself stuck, doing always the same. I think it`s important for musicians to dare to do different things, to do what they feel, to express what`s inside their minds. That`s what Judas Priest did. They challenged themselves and dared to do a concept, original album. Experimental if you like. I respect their job. We all know very well that they are not a commercial band but they do what they want and feel. What`s more, they care for growing as musicians.
Again, we all "Judas Priest fans" have different musical background so we`re touched by the albums in different ways. That`s the beauty of it!
I hope the world doesn`t come to an end yet to enjoy another great Judas Priest album!!!
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I agree. I can't understand what is so awsome about "Nostradamus"? I know we all have our own opinions and such I realise,but this album is not a masterpiece of excellence,its a masterpiece of experimentation.
I listened to the entire album again last night and it was painful,the only tracks I like out of all 22 songs are Visions and Nostradamus....the same two songs they let us hear before they released the album.
I hope from touring British Steel album again,they will retreat back to the studio and create a real Judas Priest album with "great songs on it".
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I hope the next album will be heavy altogether, and fast on most of the tracks. I'd like to see them fill it with songs the likes of Painkiller, Metal Meltdown, One Shot At Glory, Judas Rising, Demonizer, Hellrider and Death. Maybe throw in a cruisy track the likes of Wheels Of Fire and a ballad the likes of Angel and one couldn't ask for more.
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