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Try waiting since '91 for ur fave band to play anywhere in ur country....is fine to play bloody Romania, Budapest, Greece, Portugal etc...but U.K.? BAH! The band were formed here - even made a record 'Hail To England' - do we see em? Do we hell. (Manowar).
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:57:39 PM)| |  | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | YEAH
HAVING TO WAIT SO LONG FOR MY BAND TO ULEASH NEW MATERIAL(KILLER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTAAALLL)
I AM FUC?EN DYING OVER HERE IN FRUSTRATION
I JUST WANT THEM TO LASH OUT TO THE WORLD
THE PRIEST BEAST IS BACK AND WE ARE GOING KICK YOUR AS? AND RIP YOUR FACE OFF WITH OUR NEW ALBUM.
PREPARE YOURSELFS |
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| [hellrider 31038] Sunday, May 23, 2010 2:57:39 PM | |
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YEAH
HAVING TO WAIT SO LONG FOR MY BAND TO ULEASH NEW MATERIAL(KILLER HEAVY MEEETTT TTTAAALLL)
I AM FUC?EN DYING OVER HERE IN FRUSTRATION
I JUST WANT THEM TO LASH OUT TO THE WORLD
THE PRIEST BEAST IS BACK AND WE ARE GOING KICK YOUR AS? AND RIP YOUR FACE OFF WITH OUR NEW ALBUM.
PREPARE YOURSELFS |
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| [guidogodoy] Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:26:45 PM | |
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Uuuummm..now just think about WHY that wouldn't work? Entrance to the hive is on the outside. Bees sleep at night and the hive is in a wall. Bug zappers work by what?? Attraction to light.
No HMRG, no epi pen. No worries, though. I wouldn't do anything without complete protection.
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| [Vaillant 3.0] Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:49:57 PM | |
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Oh, you poor thing... pobrecito...now that's a sticky situation if I've ever seen one.  My only uneducated suggestion to this problem would be to put a giant bug zapper in front of the hive entrance and then watch the fireworks from really far away.
On a slightly more serious note, I'm sending you some luck from the West Coast. Make sure the pets are safe!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:59:22 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Umm...recall that just finished replacing a ton of my cypress-sided home and just had it painted? Remember, this is an A-frame house. Ever try to pull off cypress trying to find a hive (unable to hear it like you can from the inside, mind you. In the heat of TN)? I guarantee, holes in sheetrock are much cheaper to repair than insulation, plywood, tar-paper, repainting, refinishing, a bee-suit, smoke cans and the possible injury of falling off a ladder AND a deck were you to actually FIND the hive. HAAAAA!! BTW, they usually swarm right at the face because of the air we exhale which startles people who are not used to dealing with bees. Nope, NOBODY attacks like that from the outside even if I didn't have all those other factors save for certain circumstances (a stucco wall, for example). This isn't one of them. Coming at from the inside by a non-trained person is risky but you are at least on solid footing and wouldn't risk cutting into a power line or stud with the proper detectors which wouldn't work from the outside as the wood is too thick. I do most of my own construction, as you can tell...
LOL!!! Now you know why I say that I now know more about bees than any non-professional should? Gotta laugh or I'll cry.
Glad you liked the read too, K2M. It is a dilemma that IS the perfect storm. Tonight in as much darkness as possible (they fly right to light sources and often kill themselves by the hundreds banging themselves into windows when in a house (thus explaining why I found 30 in one day in this one-window room). Still pondering how they got INTO that room with door and windo closed, no holes in walls (they can fit through a single NAIL hole), I am thinking that the hive could be in the attic (remember...they always build from the highest point down) and came down through the ceilng fan, light or vent. A-frame house theory again. The studs could, in theory, go all the way to the top in a non-load bearing wall.
Wish me luck. If you don't hear the continuing tale tomorrow, you'll all know why. I fell through the ceiling trying to walk the joists in the dark! HAAAAA!!!!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:07:26 PM)
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees!  (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Wednesday, May 19, 2010 8:45:34 PM | |
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How I wish that we lived nearby! Mark could help you. He got up on the garage roof to spray the hornets nest on the side of our house. He was armed with a fly swatter and a can of wasp spray. It was quite the sight let me tell you. I was standing on the sidewalk thinking I was safe - WRONG! Those bastards flew out of the hive, left Mark alone, and flew directly at MY HEAD!! Mark's spraying them and smacking the hive and they don't do anything to him - he's your man I tell ya! Now me, if I was within a mile of it, they'd find me. Not to sound like a mom or anything, but do you have an epi pen just in case things go bad? I'm sending my support along with Spa from my safe little spot. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:33:21 PM)
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Oh yeah, imagine me calling a friend: "hey Bob, how's about you come over tonight so we can go into my attic, climb to the far end on joists you can't see very well thanks to the insulation looking for a beehive?" LOL!!!!
I appreciate the moral support. That one got me to laugh out loud. Calll me crazy but I think I am left all by my lonesome on this venture. (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:26:36 PM)
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I'll lend lots of support right here from my safe little home. You KNOW I'm terrified of bees.
So, your venturing into the attic with no lights on and trying to find the source? By yourself?, no dumb fall guy to throw in your path? lol
I at least hope you have an epi-pin (or ten) handy, just in case you may need them.
I'd just have to camp outside till I found someone to get rid of them. Good LUCK!!
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Umm...recall that just finished replacing a ton of my cypress-sided home and just had it painted? Remember, this is an A-frame house. Ever try to pull off cypress trying to find a hive (unable to hear it like you can from the inside, mind you. In the heat of TN)? I guarantee, holes in sheetrock are much cheaper to repair than insulation, plywood, tar-paper, repainting, refinishing, a bee-suit, smoke cans and the possible injury of falling off a ladder AND a deck were you to actually FIND the hive. HAAAAA!! BTW, they usually swarm right at the face because of the air we exhale which startles people who are not used to dealing with bees. Nope, NOBODY attacks like that from the outside even if I didn't have all those other factors save for certain circumstances (a stucco wall, for example). This isn't one of them. Coming at from the inside by a non-trained person is risky but you are at least on solid footing and wouldn't risk cutting into a power line or stud with the proper detectors which wouldn't work from the outside as the wood is too thick. I do most of my own construction, as you can tell...
LOL!!! Now you know why I say that I now know more about bees than any non-professional should? Gotta laugh or I'll cry.
Glad you liked the read too, K2M. It is a dilemma that IS the perfect storm. Tonight in as much darkness as possible (they fly right to light sources and often kill themselves by the hundreds banging themselves into windows when in a house (thus explaining why I found 30 in one day in this one-window room). Still pondering how they got INTO that room with door and windo closed, no holes in walls (they can fit through a single NAIL hole), I am thinking that the hive could be in the attic (remember...they always build from the highest point down) and came down through the ceilng fan, light or vent. A-frame house theory again. The studs could, in theory, go all the way to the top in a non-load bearing wall.
Wish me luck. If you don't hear the continuing tale tomorrow, you'll all know why. I fell through the ceiling trying to walk the joists in the dark! HAAAAA!!!!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:07:26 PM)
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spapad wrote: |
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees! (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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guidogodoy wrote: |
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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| [spapad] Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:55:08 PM | |
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Poor Bob, I feel sorry for the almost terrible things that would have happened to him. lol
Flora said she can't do that and that you should hold the flashlight in your mouth to prevent bees from flying down your throat. Told you, she is so considerate. LOL She's ruthless.
Have a great DIY day tomorrow!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:47:29 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Oh, Bob would be LUCKY to just hit a second-floor room. He could easily hit the stairs and all the way to the first! A fall is a fall, but I'd take the 8 footer over the +/-20!
Tell Flora thanks. Send her over. SHE can be the one holding the flashlight so I can see! LOL!!
OK, I must depart to bathe! My back is on fire...ah, yes. Construction can be such fun...cya later.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Give Bob enough beers and he'll be ready for action, and sadly will be appearing in the floor below shortly after. Ladies and Gentleman! For tonights entertainment,...............Bob crashes head first into the upstairs guest room from the attic. To be seen on You Tube shortly! 
BTW, Flora just told me to tell you "Hahaha,...........Sucks to be you" She's such a compassionate child.
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Oh yeah, imagine me calling a friend: "hey Bob, how's about you come over tonight so we can go into my attic, climb to the far end on joists you can't see very well thanks to the insulation looking for a beehive?" LOL!!!!
I appreciate the moral support. That one got me to laugh out loud. Calll me crazy but I think I am left all by my lonesome on this venture. (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:26:36 PM)
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I'll lend lots of support right here from my safe little home. You KNOW I'm terrified of bees.
So, your venturing into the attic with no lights on and trying to find the source? By yourself?, no dumb fall guy to throw in your path? lol
I at least hope you have an epi-pin (or ten) handy, just in case you may need them.
I'd just have to camp outside till I found someone to get rid of them. Good LUCK!!
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Umm...recall that just finished replacing a ton of my cypress-sided home and just had it painted? Remember, this is an A-frame house. Ever try to pull off cypress trying to find a hive (unable to hear it like you can from the inside, mind you. In the heat of TN)? I guarantee, holes in sheetrock are much cheaper to repair than insulation, plywood, tar-paper, repainting, refinishing, a bee-suit, smoke cans and the possible injury of falling off a ladder AND a deck were you to actually FIND the hive. HAAAAA!! BTW, they usually swarm right at the face because of the air we exhale which startles people who are not used to dealing with bees. Nope, NOBODY attacks like that from the outside even if I didn't have all those other factors save for certain circumstances (a stucco wall, for example). This isn't one of them. Coming at from the inside by a non-trained person is risky but you are at least on solid footing and wouldn't risk cutting into a power line or stud with the proper detectors which wouldn't work from the outside as the wood is too thick. I do most of my own construction, as you can tell...
LOL!!! Now you know why I say that I now know more about bees than any non-professional should? Gotta laugh or I'll cry.
Glad you liked the read too, K2M. It is a dilemma that IS the perfect storm. Tonight in as much darkness as possible (they fly right to light sources and often kill themselves by the hundreds banging themselves into windows when in a house (thus explaining why I found 30 in one day in this one-window room). Still pondering how they got INTO that room with door and windo closed, no holes in walls (they can fit through a single NAIL hole), I am thinking that the hive could be in the attic (remember...they always build from the highest point down) and came down through the ceilng fan, light or vent. A-frame house theory again. The studs could, in theory, go all the way to the top in a non-load bearing wall.
Wish me luck. If you don't hear the continuing tale tomorrow, you'll all know why. I fell through the ceiling trying to walk the joists in the dark! HAAAAA!!!!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:07:26 PM)
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spapad wrote: |
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees! (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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guidogodoy wrote: |
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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Oh, Bob would be LUCKY to just hit a second-floor room. He could easily hit the stairs and all the way to the first! A fall is a fall, but I'd take the 8 footer over the +/-20!
Tell Flora thanks. Send her over. SHE can be the one holding the flashlight so I can see! LOL!!
OK, I must depart to bathe! My back is on fire...ah, yes. Construction can be such fun...cya later.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:40:24 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Give Bob enough beers and he'll be ready for action, and sadly will be appearing in the floor below shortly after. Ladies and Gentleman! For tonights entertainment,...............Bob crashes head first into the upstairs guest room from the attic. To be seen on You Tube shortly!
BTW, Flora just told me to tell you "Hahaha,...........Sucks to be you" She's such a compassionate child.
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Oh yeah, imagine me calling a friend: "hey Bob, how's about you come over tonight so we can go into my attic, climb to the far end on joists you can't see very well thanks to the insulation looking for a beehive?" LOL!!!!
I appreciate the moral support. That one got me to laugh out loud. Calll me crazy but I think I am left all by my lonesome on this venture. (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:26:36 PM)
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I'll lend lots of support right here from my safe little home. You KNOW I'm terrified of bees.
So, your venturing into the attic with no lights on and trying to find the source? By yourself?, no dumb fall guy to throw in your path? lol
I at least hope you have an epi-pin (or ten) handy, just in case you may need them.
I'd just have to camp outside till I found someone to get rid of them. Good LUCK!!
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guidogodoy wrote: |
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Umm...recall that just finished replacing a ton of my cypress-sided home and just had it painted? Remember, this is an A-frame house. Ever try to pull off cypress trying to find a hive (unable to hear it like you can from the inside, mind you. In the heat of TN)? I guarantee, holes in sheetrock are much cheaper to repair than insulation, plywood, tar-paper, repainting, refinishing, a bee-suit, smoke cans and the possible injury of falling off a ladder AND a deck were you to actually FIND the hive. HAAAAA!! BTW, they usually swarm right at the face because of the air we exhale which startles people who are not used to dealing with bees. Nope, NOBODY attacks like that from the outside even if I didn't have all those other factors save for certain circumstances (a stucco wall, for example). This isn't one of them. Coming at from the inside by a non-trained person is risky but you are at least on solid footing and wouldn't risk cutting into a power line or stud with the proper detectors which wouldn't work from the outside as the wood is too thick. I do most of my own construction, as you can tell...
LOL!!! Now you know why I say that I now know more about bees than any non-professional should? Gotta laugh or I'll cry.
Glad you liked the read too, K2M. It is a dilemma that IS the perfect storm. Tonight in as much darkness as possible (they fly right to light sources and often kill themselves by the hundreds banging themselves into windows when in a house (thus explaining why I found 30 in one day in this one-window room). Still pondering how they got INTO that room with door and windo closed, no holes in walls (they can fit through a single NAIL hole), I am thinking that the hive could be in the attic (remember...they always build from the highest point down) and came down through the ceilng fan, light or vent. A-frame house theory again. The studs could, in theory, go all the way to the top in a non-load bearing wall.
Wish me luck. If you don't hear the continuing tale tomorrow, you'll all know why. I fell through the ceiling trying to walk the joists in the dark! HAAAAA!!!!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:07:26 PM)
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spapad wrote: |
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees! (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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guidogodoy wrote: |
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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Give Bob enough beers and he'll be ready for action, and sadly will be appearing in the floor below shortly after. Ladies and Gentleman! For tonights entertainment,...............Bob crashes head first into the upstairs guest room from the attic. To be seen on You Tube shortly!
BTW, Flora just told me to tell you "Hahaha,...........Sucks to be you" She's such a compassionate child.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:33:21 PM)
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Oh yeah, imagine me calling a friend: "hey Bob, how's about you come over tonight so we can go into my attic, climb to the far end on joists you can't see very well thanks to the insulation looking for a beehive?" LOL!!!!
I appreciate the moral support. That one got me to laugh out loud. Calll me crazy but I think I am left all by my lonesome on this venture. (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:26:36 PM)
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I'll lend lots of support right here from my safe little home. You KNOW I'm terrified of bees.
So, your venturing into the attic with no lights on and trying to find the source? By yourself?, no dumb fall guy to throw in your path? lol
I at least hope you have an epi-pin (or ten) handy, just in case you may need them.
I'd just have to camp outside till I found someone to get rid of them. Good LUCK!!
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Umm...recall that just finished replacing a ton of my cypress-sided home and just had it painted? Remember, this is an A-frame house. Ever try to pull off cypress trying to find a hive (unable to hear it like you can from the inside, mind you. In the heat of TN)? I guarantee, holes in sheetrock are much cheaper to repair than insulation, plywood, tar-paper, repainting, refinishing, a bee-suit, smoke cans and the possible injury of falling off a ladder AND a deck were you to actually FIND the hive. HAAAAA!! BTW, they usually swarm right at the face because of the air we exhale which startles people who are not used to dealing with bees. Nope, NOBODY attacks like that from the outside even if I didn't have all those other factors save for certain circumstances (a stucco wall, for example). This isn't one of them. Coming at from the inside by a non-trained person is risky but you are at least on solid footing and wouldn't risk cutting into a power line or stud with the proper detectors which wouldn't work from the outside as the wood is too thick. I do most of my own construction, as you can tell...
LOL!!! Now you know why I say that I now know more about bees than any non-professional should? Gotta laugh or I'll cry.
Glad you liked the read too, K2M. It is a dilemma that IS the perfect storm. Tonight in as much darkness as possible (they fly right to light sources and often kill themselves by the hundreds banging themselves into windows when in a house (thus explaining why I found 30 in one day in this one-window room). Still pondering how they got INTO that room with door and windo closed, no holes in walls (they can fit through a single NAIL hole), I am thinking that the hive could be in the attic (remember...they always build from the highest point down) and came down through the ceilng fan, light or vent. A-frame house theory again. The studs could, in theory, go all the way to the top in a non-load bearing wall.
Wish me luck. If you don't hear the continuing tale tomorrow, you'll all know why. I fell through the ceiling trying to walk the joists in the dark! HAAAAA!!!!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:07:26 PM)
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees! (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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Oh yeah, imagine me calling a friend: "hey Bob, how's about you come over tonight so we can go into my attic, climb to the far end on joists you can't see very well thanks to the insulation looking for a beehive?" LOL!!!!
I appreciate the moral support. That one got me to laugh out loud. Calll me crazy but I think I am left all by my lonesome on this venture. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:26:36 PM)
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I'll lend lots of support right here from my safe little home. You KNOW I'm terrified of bees.
So, your venturing into the attic with no lights on and trying to find the source? By yourself?, no dumb fall guy to throw in your path? lol
I at least hope you have an epi-pin (or ten) handy, just in case you may need them.
I'd just have to camp outside till I found someone to get rid of them. Good LUCK!!
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Umm...recall that just finished replacing a ton of my cypress-sided home and just had it painted? Remember, this is an A-frame house. Ever try to pull off cypress trying to find a hive (unable to hear it like you can from the inside, mind you. In the heat of TN)? I guarantee, holes in sheetrock are much cheaper to repair than insulation, plywood, tar-paper, repainting, refinishing, a bee-suit, smoke cans and the possible injury of falling off a ladder AND a deck were you to actually FIND the hive. HAAAAA!! BTW, they usually swarm right at the face because of the air we exhale which startles people who are not used to dealing with bees. Nope, NOBODY attacks like that from the outside even if I didn't have all those other factors save for certain circumstances (a stucco wall, for example). This isn't one of them. Coming at from the inside by a non-trained person is risky but you are at least on solid footing and wouldn't risk cutting into a power line or stud with the proper detectors which wouldn't work from the outside as the wood is too thick. I do most of my own construction, as you can tell...
LOL!!! Now you know why I say that I now know more about bees than any non-professional should? Gotta laugh or I'll cry.
Glad you liked the read too, K2M. It is a dilemma that IS the perfect storm. Tonight in as much darkness as possible (they fly right to light sources and often kill themselves by the hundreds banging themselves into windows when in a house (thus explaining why I found 30 in one day in this one-window room). Still pondering how they got INTO that room with door and windo closed, no holes in walls (they can fit through a single NAIL hole), I am thinking that the hive could be in the attic (remember...they always build from the highest point down) and came down through the ceilng fan, light or vent. A-frame house theory again. The studs could, in theory, go all the way to the top in a non-load bearing wall.
Wish me luck. If you don't hear the continuing tale tomorrow, you'll all know why. I fell through the ceiling trying to walk the joists in the dark! HAAAAA!!!!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:07:26 PM)
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees! (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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guidogodoy wrote: |
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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| Yeah, friggin' HONEY BEES in the wall!!!!!! Oh that is just great. All I needed.... |
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I'll lend lots of support right here from my safe little home. You KNOW I'm terrified of bees.
So, your venturing into the attic with no lights on and trying to find the source? By yourself?, no dumb fall guy to throw in your path? lol
I at least hope you have an epi-pin (or ten) handy, just in case you may need them.
I'd just have to camp outside till I found someone to get rid of them. Good LUCK!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:59:22 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Umm...recall that just finished replacing a ton of my cypress-sided home and just had it painted? Remember, this is an A-frame house. Ever try to pull off cypress trying to find a hive (unable to hear it like you can from the inside, mind you. In the heat of TN)? I guarantee, holes in sheetrock are much cheaper to repair than insulation, plywood, tar-paper, repainting, refinishing, a bee-suit, smoke cans and the possible injury of falling off a ladder AND a deck were you to actually FIND the hive. HAAAAA!! BTW, they usually swarm right at the face because of the air we exhale which startles people who are not used to dealing with bees. Nope, NOBODY attacks like that from the outside even if I didn't have all those other factors save for certain circumstances (a stucco wall, for example). This isn't one of them. Coming at from the inside by a non-trained person is risky but you are at least on solid footing and wouldn't risk cutting into a power line or stud with the proper detectors which wouldn't work from the outside as the wood is too thick. I do most of my own construction, as you can tell...
LOL!!! Now you know why I say that I now know more about bees than any non-professional should? Gotta laugh or I'll cry.
Glad you liked the read too, K2M. It is a dilemma that IS the perfect storm. Tonight in as much darkness as possible (they fly right to light sources and often kill themselves by the hundreds banging themselves into windows when in a house (thus explaining why I found 30 in one day in this one-window room). Still pondering how they got INTO that room with door and windo closed, no holes in walls (they can fit through a single NAIL hole), I am thinking that the hive could be in the attic (remember...they always build from the highest point down) and came down through the ceilng fan, light or vent. A-frame house theory again. The studs could, in theory, go all the way to the top in a non-load bearing wall.
Wish me luck. If you don't hear the continuing tale tomorrow, you'll all know why. I fell through the ceiling trying to walk the joists in the dark! HAAAAA!!!!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:07:26 PM)
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees! (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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| Yeah, friggin' HONEY BEES in the wall!!!!!! Oh that is just great. All I needed.... |
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Umm...recall that just finished replacing a ton of my cypress-sided home and just had it painted? Remember, this is an A-frame house. Ever try to pull off cypress trying to find a hive (unable to hear it like you can from the inside, mind you. In the heat of TN)? I guarantee, holes in sheetrock are much cheaper to repair than insulation, plywood, tar-paper, repainting, refinishing, a bee-suit, smoke cans and the possible injury of falling off a ladder AND a deck were you to actually FIND the hive. HAAAAA!! BTW, they usually swarm right at the face because of the air we exhale which startles people who are not used to dealing with bees. Nope, NOBODY attacks like that from the outside even if I didn't have all those other factors save for certain circumstances (a stucco wall, for example). This isn't one of them. Coming at from the inside by a non-trained person is risky but you are at least on solid footing and wouldn't risk cutting into a power line or stud with the proper detectors which wouldn't work from the outside as the wood is too thick. I do most of my own construction, as you can tell...
LOL!!! Now you know why I say that I now know more about bees than any non-professional should? Gotta laugh or I'll cry.
Glad you liked the read too, K2M. It is a dilemma that IS the perfect storm. Tonight in as much darkness as possible (they fly right to light sources and often kill themselves by the hundreds banging themselves into windows when in a house (thus explaining why I found 30 in one day in this one-window room). Still pondering how they got INTO that room with door and windo closed, no holes in walls (they can fit through a single NAIL hole), I am thinking that the hive could be in the attic (remember...they always build from the highest point down) and came down through the ceilng fan, light or vent. A-frame house theory again. The studs could, in theory, go all the way to the top in a non-load bearing wall.
Wish me luck. If you don't hear the continuing tale tomorrow, you'll all know why. I fell through the ceiling trying to walk the joists in the dark! HAAAAA!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 4:07:26 PM)
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees! (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
F word. That was an interesting read. Fire?
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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BEE SUITS and Smoke Cans!!! Work from the Outside. Leave inside alone until bees are gone. Just seems like common sense there.
Good luck my friend! I'll be lending lots of moral support miles away safely out of the range of the bees! [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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| [hellrider 31038] Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:58:45 PM | |
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HELL YEAH MY METAL SISTER SPAPAD
LETS PUT OUR FIST TOGETHER HEAVY METAL STYLE
JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTT TTTAAALLL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:31:20 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I'm ready Brother Hellrider!
| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | ARE YOU READY FOR IT Spapad .i mean like really ready cause this will be A MASSIVE METAL STORM.
METAL ATTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK (ONSLAUGHT)
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
cant fuc?en wait
| | | spapad wrote: | | Amen Brother J.D.! Let us hope and pray for a new CD sometime soon.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | That will be false hellrider,they will definately not be touring a Screaming For Vengeance tour in 2011/2012,if they did that they would be going backwards as musicians wich is something they pride themselves on not doing. They will deliver a brand new "metal monster" as you put it,and hopefully it will be a new album of british heavy metal at it's best.
The only problem is that we might not get it untill 2013 wich will be the last Judas priest studio album of thier career,the band is excruciatingly slow at recording new albums the last 20 years and for that reason we have every reason to belive that there will be only one more album from them.
If they do put out more than one more studio album I would be utterly "shocked" as by the time they would get around to recording an album after this next one,they would be in thier 70's and lets face it,once they turn 70 its over,Judas Priest will no longer be active. But there will be one more studio album and we just have to hope that its thier best work of all time!
(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:47:38 AM)
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THE RUMOUR I HEARD ABOUT PRIEST DOING SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE ANNIVERSARY TOUR WHEN IT TURNS 30.THAT WOULD MOST LIKLY BE THE NEXT TOUR .MEANING NO NEW PRIEST FOR A WHILE
I WANT NEW HARD CORE RIP YOUR FACE OFF TOTAL RUSH OF POWER JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTT TTTAAALLLL
IN MY OPINION THE MIGHTY PRIEST BEAST METAL MACHINE SHOULD UNLEASH THIS NEW METAL MONSTER AND TOUR IT INSTEAD |
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Wednesday, May 19, 2010 3:35:02 PM | |
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Holy Crap Guido! I didn't realize they built the hive that far away from the opening and you had to tear out the wall to find them. I'm sure you can find many idiots to do exactly the wrong thing to "help" you. So you pretty much have to do it yourself because no one will help. That just totally SUCKS! I really hope you can find a solution without ruining your house in the process!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:15:58 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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Oh, I guarantee you...I am now a bee EXPERT! Having spent MANY days and nights going through bee webpages, forums, advice, calling beekeepers, I now know more than any living human should. Problem is, first, that I live in the boonies. Second, honey bees are the worst type of bee (and I even submitted specimens of them to insure that they were honey bees and not another variety) to have in a wall. Were they bees that make paper hives, you can leave it. Nope, THEY make..duh..honey! Next, once they get in the wall, you typically have to do a "tear-out" to find the hive. No good trying to simply kill them (and I can find many an idiot to spray the opening. Like you said, without getting rid of the queen and pupae, you get nothing but a bunch of rotting drones in the wall. If you don't do a cut-out involving finding the hotspot in the drywall where they have built the honeycomb (they start high, btw), even if you can plug the gap, poison them (surprisingly, soapy water kills them) and manage to kill the queen and babies (takes about three weeks for them to hatch), you are left with untended honey in a wall. Hot day, you guessed it, it breaks free, drips down the wall, invites rodents, cockroaches, ants and anything else that immediately picks up on an unattended hive.
FINALLY, to do a tear-out, you have to rip out the inside wall and hope the queen doesn't jump between another stud which is common when she senses danger. She abandons the hive and drones and takes a ball of soldiers with her and drops to the bottom between the studs either to the left or the right. Could be either. A carpenter (hard to get one) will NOT deal with a tear-out knowing that a swarm of live bees is there. A BEE-KEEPER usually doesn't want to do a tear-out as they usually find it not worth their time, effort and hassle.
Where does that leave a person? Between a rock (wall..heh) and a hard place!
Believe me, I have done my research. Thanks for the good wishes. I need them. To be continued.... [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Wednesday, May 19, 2010 5:56:40 AM)
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
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| Yeah, friggin' HONEY BEES in the wall!!!!!! Oh that is just great. All I needed.... |
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I know that you live far out with not much around you, but is there someone who can come and do a honey bee rescue? They find the queen and take her and then the rest of the hive follows. Pretty cool - but NOT MY KIND OF JOB! There are bee keepers who will also come and move the hive..... Just a thought, but I don't know if anyone around you can do it. They probably still charge for the service though, even though they get to keep the bees and sell the honey. What a pain! Couldn't they build it in a tree or something??? Good luck Guido and try not to get stung!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:48:57 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | | Yeah, friggin' HONEY BEES in the wall!!!!!! Oh that is just great. All I needed.... |
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Now that would piss me off too! Honey bees have no place being in a wall! lol.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:48:57 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | | Yeah, friggin' HONEY BEES in the wall!!!!!! Oh that is just great. All I needed.... |
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| Yeah, friggin' HONEY BEES in the wall!!!!!! Oh that is just great. All I needed.... |
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| [spapad] Tuesday, May 18, 2010 7:31:20 PM | |
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I'm ready Brother Hellrider!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Monday, May 17, 2010 3:10:19 PM)| | | hellrider 31038 wrote: | | ARE YOU READY FOR IT Spapad .i mean like really ready cause this will be A MASSIVE METAL STORM.
METAL ATTTTTTTTTAAAAAAAACCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK (ONSLAUGHT)
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
cant fuc?en wait
| | | spapad wrote: | | Amen Brother J.D.! Let us hope and pray for a new CD sometime soon.
| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | That will be false hellrider,they will definately not be touring a Screaming For Vengeance tour in 2011/2012,if they did that they would be going backwards as musicians wich is something they pride themselves on not doing. They will deliver a brand new "metal monster" as you put it,and hopefully it will be a new album of british heavy metal at it's best.
The only problem is that we might not get it untill 2013 wich will be the last Judas priest studio album of thier career,the band is excruciatingly slow at recording new albums the last 20 years and for that reason we have every reason to belive that there will be only one more album from them.
If they do put out more than one more studio album I would be utterly "shocked" as by the time they would get around to recording an album after this next one,they would be in thier 70's and lets face it,once they turn 70 its over,Judas Priest will no longer be active. But there will be one more studio album and we just have to hope that its thier best work of all time!
(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:47:38 AM)
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THE RUMOUR I HEARD ABOUT PRIEST DOING SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE ANNIVERSARY TOUR WHEN IT TURNS 30.THAT WOULD MOST LIKLY BE THE NEXT TOUR .MEANING NO NEW PRIEST FOR A WHILE
I WANT NEW HARD CORE RIP YOUR FACE OFF TOTAL RUSH OF POWER JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY MEEETTT TTTAAALLLL
IN MY OPINION THE MIGHTY PRIEST BEAST METAL MACHINE SHOULD UNLEASH THIS NEW METAL MONSTER AND TOUR IT INSTEAD |
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