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I don't think the first cd is slow. Persecution is very thrash metal. And so is Nostradamus. The top two favorites so far are Prophecy and Revelations. Nostradamus a close third.
If this is the downfall of Judas Priest, I want to go to the hell they will end up in. 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM)| |  | Great White wrote: | | I wouldn't call this album the "Downfall of JP" I would call it a mediocre album, just as Turbo was. It certainly isn't their best for sure. I know some of you are going to slam me for this opinion, but I gotta say what I gotta say. Great, fantastic that they tried something new, but I believe they'll note that it isn't what the majority of Priest fans are wanting and more than likely go back to what they know best......rockin' Heavy Metal, not trudging dark metal. |
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| [spapad] Friday, July 04, 2008 3:03:43 PM | |
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I respect you opinion, but it is good..........it's just not to your taste. You must have a problem listening to the early stuff. Its all great and meant for everyone to interperate to their own means.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM)| | | Great White wrote: | | I wouldn't call this album the "Downfall of JP" I would call it a mediocre album, just as Turbo was. It certainly isn't their best for sure. I know some of you are going to slam me for this opinion, but I gotta say what I gotta say. Great, fantastic that they tried something new, but I believe they'll note that it isn't what the majority of Priest fans are wanting and more than likely go back to what they know best......rockin' Heavy Metal, not trudging dark metal. |
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| [Great White] Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM | |
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I wouldn't call this album the "Downfall of JP" I would call it a mediocre album, just as Turbo was. It certainly isn't their best for sure. I know some of you are going to slam me for this opinion, but I gotta say what I gotta say. Great, fantastic that they tried something new, but I believe they'll note that it isn't what the majority of Priest fans are wanting and more than likely go back to what they know best......rockin' Heavy Metal, not trudging dark metal. |
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| [metalmaz] Friday, July 04, 2008 1:09:53 PM | |
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I wouldn't mind the length of it if it was consistently strong
If there are going to make a double album at least don't pad it out with fillers.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Master of all Metal from Friday, July 04, 2008 1:02:21 PM)| | | Master of all Metal wrote: | | | Perhaps Judas Priest should release an EP for those people with short attention spans that think Nostradamus is too long. Maybe 4-5 songs would be better, but then the complaint would probably be that it's too short. I'm guessing that I'm not the only one that can't get enough Priest material... the longer the better. And what a great deal Nostradamus is... essentially two albums for the price of one. |
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| [Master of all Metal] Friday, July 04, 2008 1:02:21 PM | |
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| Perhaps Judas Priest should release an EP for those people with short attention spans that think Nostradamus is too long. Maybe 4-5 songs would be better, but then the complaint would probably be that it's too short. I'm guessing that I'm not the only one that can't get enough Priest material... the longer the better. And what a great deal Nostradamus is... essentially two albums for the price of one. |
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| [Skybreaker] Friday, July 04, 2008 10:02:46 AM | |
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Week Ending June 29, 2008:
"Judas Priest's Nostradamus falls from #11 to #40 in its second week, a 69% sales drop. That's the biggest drop of any album in the top 200. Of course, Nostradamus was such a great seer, he could see this coming."
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:56:32 PM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | Like my grandfather used to say, "Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one...."
I haven't let any discouraging words from those who've not been able to embrace "NOSTRADAMUS" dampen my spirits or my interest in what this opus sounds like start to finish. At best, all I've been able to do is get 30 second long snippets courtesy of those "Have A LIsten" booths at Borders...where you scan the CD you're interested in sampling, and you get at least a taste of what's happ'nin'. Mind you...I've only gotten those snippets from the first CD, as it doesn't permit you to get snippets from the second CD.
In spite of that, I'll grant everybody this much....sure...it's different. Wanna know what? I expected it to be different. Priest have been all about BEING different from word 'go...' it's what has helped separate them from their peers and KEPT them separate from every other metal band that's emerged since.
As for "NOSTRADAMUS" being Priest's downfall?? Psh...HARDLY. Those of you who've been into Priest for 20 years or better might recall much the same thing being said when they released "Turbo." I remember the flak they got for how different an album like "Point of Entry" was from "British Steel." So...all in all, people have been tossing the proverbial "coffin nails" at Judas Priest as far back as 1981...and yet...here they are in 2008 supporting a Top 40 album and STILL touring to the adoring throngs that attend. Go figure....hardly sounds like a band suffering any real "downfall" to me.
Given Priest's penchant for expanding their own horizons, as well as the parameters of heavy metal music itself, I've long come to expect there to be some discord and variance in thought and opinion from one release to the next....know what else? So do Priest....they themselves know better than anyone else that pleasing every Priest fan en masse is next to impossible...let's remember something folks...Judas Priest are artists in every sense of the word...as such, whatever it is they create and put out there simply HAS to please them FIRST....if anything about "NOSTRADAMUS" didn't please them, they'd still be working on it. As for producing it themselves, well...that's their right and prerogative....when you consider what producers want for their time and efforts these days, I can't say I blame 'em for taking the reins creatively on every front imaginable. Thus far, I've found no real fault in how the songs sound, and for all this talk about Ian's bass being utterly lost in the mix....I dunno....I haven't heard Ian's bass THIS forward since "Defenders of the Faith."
Priest know what they're doing folks...a band doesn't last and survive some 35 years being aloof and devil-may-care about their efforts. You might love or hate what they do as it comes...but one should never deny a band's opportunity to grow and change. |
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| [Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:59:20 PM | |
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Exactly. They did what they said they were gonna do.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metallark from Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:14:17 PM)| | | metallark wrote: | | It is a little long. I took some advice and edited it down to the songs that I thought were meaner and rocked.
There are enough songs to make a killer, shorter CD.
I thought ALONE was classic Judas Priest.
Notions by some that this is a let-down are absurd. They delivered what they promised...A metal concept album. Nothing more.
LIVE...LONG...PRIEST
| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | THE ANSWER - for all those still scratching their heads over the latest offering from JP is, I think, perhaps one caused by the pacing on the album.
It is, after all, very very long, with some considerable mid-paced / ballad-y numbers. My advice is to edit it down to a slimmer, meaner & faster 80mins (single disc) version.
Select the following running order on to a CDR, or ipod playlist etc, and hear a much more familiar, agressive & traditional metal-esq sounding release.
1. Dawn of creation
2. Prophecy
3. Awakening
4. Revelations
5. Sands of Time
6. Pestilence & plague
7. Death
8. Peace
9. Conquest
10. Persecution
11. Alone
12. Shadows in the flame
13. Visions
14. Calm before the storm
15. Nostradamus
16. Future of mankind
Now, I know there will be many out there screaming (for vengeance) that this is sacriledge & not how the album is intended to be listened to, but, then they are already the converted, and what we are trying to do here is get as many people on board as possible. I myself, do find the whole double disc a rather flabby affair, I'm sorry to say, and do actually prefer the above edited version which I find is a far pacier & exciting listen - much more what I was hoping for.
I see it as something similar to the cinema release versions of the Lord Of The Rings films, as opposed to their much weightier Director's cut DVDs.
As for the missing tracks, well once you've grown to love the above you can re-incert them later, or visit them individually & see how they shape up having acclimatized yourself to this new world of the metal gods.
Just trying to help.
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| [Metallark] Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:14:17 PM | |
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It is a little long. I took some advice and edited it down to the songs that I thought were meaner and rocked.
There are enough songs to make a killer, shorter CD.
I thought ALONE was classic Judas Priest.
Notions by some that this is a let-down are absurd. They delivered what they promised...A metal concept album. Nothing more.
LIVE...LONG...PRIEST
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:36:38 AM)| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | THE ANSWER - for all those still scratching their heads over the latest offering from JP is, I think, perhaps one caused by the pacing on the album.
It is, after all, very very long, with some considerable mid-paced / ballad-y numbers. My advice is to edit it down to a slimmer, meaner & faster 80mins (single disc) version.
Select the following running order on to a CDR, or ipod playlist etc, and hear a much more familiar, agressive & traditional metal-esq sounding release.
1. Dawn of creation
2. Prophecy
3. Awakening
4. Revelations
5. Sands of Time
6. Pestilence & plague
7. Death
8. Peace
9. Conquest
10. Persecution
11. Alone
12. Shadows in the flame
13. Visions
14. Calm before the storm
15. Nostradamus
16. Future of mankind
Now, I know there will be many out there screaming (for vengeance) that this is sacriledge & not how the album is intended to be listened to, but, then they are already the converted, and what we are trying to do here is get as many people on board as possible. I myself, do find the whole double disc a rather flabby affair, I'm sorry to say, and do actually prefer the above edited version which I find is a far pacier & exciting listen - much more what I was hoping for.
I see it as something similar to the cinema release versions of the Lord Of The Rings films, as opposed to their much weightier Director's cut DVDs.
As for the missing tracks, well once you've grown to love the above you can re-incert them later, or visit them individually & see how they shape up having acclimatized yourself to this new world of the metal gods.
Just trying to help.
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| [Justin Kenny] Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:56:32 PM | |
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Like my grandfather used to say, "Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one...."
I haven't let any discouraging words from those who've not been able to embrace "NOSTRADAMUS" dampen my spirits or my interest in what this opus sounds like start to finish. At best, all I've been able to do is get 30 second long snippets courtesy of those "Have A LIsten" booths at Borders...where you scan the CD you're interested in sampling, and you get at least a taste of what's happ'nin'. Mind you...I've only gotten those snippets from the first CD, as it doesn't permit you to get snippets from the second CD.
In spite of that, I'll grant everybody this much....sure...it's different. Wanna know what? I expected it to be different. Priest have been all about BEING different from word 'go...' it's what has helped separate them from their peers and KEPT them separate from every other metal band that's emerged since.
As for "NOSTRADAMUS" being Priest's downfall?? Psh...HARDLY. Those of you who've been into Priest for 20 years or better might recall much the same thing being said when they released "Turbo." I remember the flak they got for how different an album like "Point of Entry" was from "British Steel." So...all in all, people have been tossing the proverbial "coffin nails" at Judas Priest as far back as 1981...and yet...here they are in 2008 supporting a Top 40 album and STILL touring to the adoring throngs that attend. Go figure....hardly sounds like a band suffering any real "downfall" to me.
Given Priest's penchant for expanding their own horizons, as well as the parameters of heavy metal music itself, I've long come to expect there to be some discord and variance in thought and opinion from one release to the next....know what else? So do Priest....they themselves know better than anyone else that pleasing every Priest fan en masse is next to impossible...let's remember something folks...Judas Priest are artists in every sense of the word...as such, whatever it is they create and put out there simply HAS to please them FIRST....if anything about "NOSTRADAMUS" didn't please them, they'd still be working on it. As for producing it themselves, well...that's their right and prerogative....when you consider what producers want for their time and efforts these days, I can't say I blame 'em for taking the reins creatively on every front imaginable. Thus far, I've found no real fault in how the songs sound, and for all this talk about Ian's bass being utterly lost in the mix....I dunno....I haven't heard Ian's bass THIS forward since "Defenders of the Faith."
Priest know what they're doing folks...a band doesn't last and survive some 35 years being aloof and devil-may-care about their efforts. You might love or hate what they do as it comes...but one should never deny a band's opportunity to grow and change. |
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| [METAL MELTDOWN] Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:52:59 AM | |
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I have yet to have that oppty myself....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:03:20 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | some people everywhere are stupid, its one of the universal constants
on to the album. I like it. not the best, but I am still waiting for the opportunity to listen to it for one sitting, in the dark with no distractions.
| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | Some people on this website are really dumb!! Do you honestly think Jayne Andrews decides the music Priest plays and records!!
This album IS different. Is it better than Painkiller or British Steel or Sad Wings? IMO no BUT it is well thought out, well recorded and an overall excellent production. Yes my opinion now differs from a few weeks ago. I stated that I wanted another Painkiller, barnburner, album and was dissapointed in that respect but I change my tune by seeing and hearing everything in this recording.
This is a stage that priest has not stepped on before and it will take time for some to realize the value of this recording and just how good it is. Its different, not bad.........
| | | JudasPriest4Ever wrote: | | Let me list the things I am disgusted with:
1) that Judas Priest is only playing a select amount of concerts in the U.S.
2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard
3) that Priest plans to perform the entire album from start to finish when they tour
4) that Priest let their manager decide for them what their new album should be about and steer it as far away from the Judas Priest sound as he could; which is why the Priest logo is NOWHERE to be found on the album, nor are any pics of the band on or in the cd at all (I guess they realized what a mistake the album was but it was too late to go in and record real Judas Priest music)
5) that after such a triumphant reunion album, Angel Of Retribution and the successful tour, they follow that up with a whimper of a neo-classical, pseudo-opera disaster
Did I leave anything out ???
Oh yeah, Priest is jumping on the prog-rock, concept album craze.
Instead of setting the trend, they are following one. |
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| [Bev] Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:30:48 AM | |
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IMO ... this thread does suck, giant monkey nuts!
It's OK to have your own opinion, and such.
Mine is that the topic of this thread is a bit over the top |
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| [metalmaz] Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:17:39 AM | |
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Well I've listened to Nostradamus a lot and I'm afraid just can't get into it at all.
I had doubts when I heard it was going to be a concept albums and sad to say my full fears have been realised
Firstly it's FAR TOO LONG. It's in need of serious editing. On the whole it's a mistake to let musicians produce their albums. The Jimny Pages of the world can get away with it, but most groups can't.. Possibly it's an ego thing- band members insisting that their particular song should be included. This album needed a producer (such as Tom) who could rack the whip and chuck out the songs that frankly just don't hack it.
It's samey. Most of the time, I'm hard pushed telling one song from another. It's almost like listening to a metal Andrew Llloyd Webber.
Glen And KK are in good form and Halford is vocally stronger than on Angel Of Retribution. But Hill may have well not have been there. He's been mixed so far down he may has well not have bothered playing. And what the hell have they done with the brilliant Travis. From the sounds of it, they've used a fucking drum machine.
There are a few very good songs on Nostradamus. But I have to say I'm let down. After hearing this, I just stick on Stained Class, Painkiller, Screaming For Vengeance , Sad Wings, British Steel etc. That's what Priest are about.
I'm all for groups progressing. I certainly don't expect them to stick to the same format as British Steel. I really like Angel Of Retribution and even Lochness has grown on me.
And I'm not stuck in the past. Look how brilliantly Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Megadeth, Saxon and others have matured. Iron Maiden's BMW and AMOLAD are amongst their best. I also love United Abominations and The System Has Failed. I think the same about Saxon - Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum is probably their best music to date. Thye've all progressed, but haven't lost their identity like Priest have with this release.
I will no doubt get a bollocking for this - people have been flamed by some (not all) members of this forum for being so wicked and disloyal for daring to post negative comments. Sadly it seems that only being pro is allowed. |
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| [Jeanine] Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:05:44 AM | |
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| I am falling more and more in love with this album. Everytime I hear it, I pick up on something new. Exiled is haunting. This CD just takes me away, it is like reading a novel and getting lost in in. This is what Judas Priest is to me. I am impressed and happy. |
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| [spapad] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:42:43 PM | |
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LOL. Good comment.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Dan Marshall29116 from Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:41:04 PM)| | | Dan Marshall29116 wrote: | | | Listening to the entire album for the 4th time. I liked it on the first and it gets better and better with each subsequent play. I now fucking love it. I find that the people that don't like it also believe that high school was the greatest years of their life. peace |
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| [Dan Marshall29116] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:41:04 PM | |
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| Listening to the entire album for the 4th time. I liked it on the first and it gets better and better with each subsequent play. I now fucking love it. I find that the people that don't like it also believe that high school was the greatest years of their life. peace |
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| [Freek] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:23:12 PM | |
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I LOVE THIS ONE
2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard
You obviously weren't awaiting the release of TURBO with baited breath on the heels of classics such as Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith....
gimme a break you wannabe fan..
If you want PAINKILLER, just put it on and listen to it.... |
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| [rockahana] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:43:56 PM | |
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silent all the queen is speaking....
" THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE PAINKILLER!!!!"
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| [Head banger] Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:03:20 PM | |
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some people everywhere are stupid, its one of the universal constants
on to the album. I like it. not the best, but I am still waiting for the opportunity to listen to it for one sitting, in the dark with no distractions.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:17:55 AM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | Some people on this website are really dumb!! Do you honestly think Jayne Andrews decides the music Priest plays and records!!
This album IS different. Is it better than Painkiller or British Steel or Sad Wings? IMO no BUT it is well thought out, well recorded and an overall excellent production. Yes my opinion now differs from a few weeks ago. I stated that I wanted another Painkiller, barnburner, album and was dissapointed in that respect but I change my tune by seeing and hearing everything in this recording.
This is a stage that priest has not stepped on before and it will take time for some to realize the value of this recording and just how good it is. Its different, not bad.........
| | | JudasPriest4Ever wrote: | | Let me list the things I am disgusted with:
1) that Judas Priest is only playing a select amount of concerts in the U.S.
2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard
3) that Priest plans to perform the entire album from start to finish when they tour
4) that Priest let their manager decide for them what their new album should be about and steer it as far away from the Judas Priest sound as he could; which is why the Priest logo is NOWHERE to be found on the album, nor are any pics of the band on or in the cd at all (I guess they realized what a mistake the album was but it was too late to go in and record real Judas Priest music)
5) that after such a triumphant reunion album, Angel Of Retribution and the successful tour, they follow that up with a whimper of a neo-classical, pseudo-opera disaster
Did I leave anything out ???
Oh yeah, Priest is jumping on the prog-rock, concept album craze.
Instead of setting the trend, they are following one. |
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| [METAL MELTDOWN] Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:17:55 AM | |
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Some people on this website are really dumb!! Do you honestly think Jayne Andrews decides the music Priest plays and records!!
This album IS different. Is it better than Painkiller or British Steel or Sad Wings? IMO no BUT it is well thought out, well recorded and an overall excellent production. Yes my opinion now differs from a few weeks ago. I stated that I wanted another Painkiller, barnburner, album and was dissapointed in that respect but I change my tune by seeing and hearing everything in this recording.
This is a stage that priest has not stepped on before and it will take time for some to realize the value of this recording and just how good it is. Its different, not bad.........
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JudasPriest4Ever from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:31:49 AM)| | | JudasPriest4Ever wrote: | | Let me list the things I am disgusted with:
1) that Judas Priest is only playing a select amount of concerts in the U.S.
2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard
3) that Priest plans to perform the entire album from start to finish when they tour
4) that Priest let their manager decide for them what their new album should be about and steer it as far away from the Judas Priest sound as he could; which is why the Priest logo is NOWHERE to be found on the album, nor are any pics of the band on or in the cd at all (I guess they realized what a mistake the album was but it was too late to go in and record real Judas Priest music)
5) that after such a triumphant reunion album, Angel Of Retribution and the successful tour, they follow that up with a whimper of a neo-classical, pseudo-opera disaster
Did I leave anything out ???
Oh yeah, Priest is jumping on the prog-rock, concept album craze.
Instead of setting the trend, they are following one. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:27:54 AM | |
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 Angel Of Retribution is far more of an elite Judas Priest album than Nostradamus in my opinion......it just goes to show how fans opinions vary in many ways. Not to say that Nostradamus is not a good album or anything....it's just that theres no way that it could touch this album.
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