Brian Evans wrote: "I still say the foundation of quality heavy metal are good song writing, good vocals and guitar solos."

You see what I'm talking about now Dale? These kind of posts spank of idiotic statements,who ever said that the foundation of quality heavy metal are NOT about good song writting,good vocals and guitar solos? 
If you or the uneducated Brian Evans say it was "me" than the both of you are a "LIAR". I never once said that,I challenge the both of you to go back and read my posts and prove to the rest of us here that I indeed said that.You can't because I never did say that,only an idiot like Brian would even say such a stupid thing. Obviously the both of you somehow think that black metal and death metal are traditional "heavy metal".
 
Well I know that everybody who is reading this is laughing thier ass off at both of you because the 2 of you do not know the difference between heavy metal and black/death metal at all and both of your posts prove it today. Well kiddies I'm here to tell you that there actually "is" a difference between the 2 genres of metal.

The thing is that the 2 of you seem to put yourselves in a position where your ignorance is exploited in front of the rest of us here. Its sad in this day and age that the both of you call yourselves "metal fans" when really you guys don't know nearly enough about metal at all.Again,both of you go back to school and do your fuckin homework before you even think about discussing "metal" with a metal veteran as myself.  

So Brian,we are all waiting for you to pull up my post where I said "The foundation of  quality heavy metal are NOT about good song writting,good vocals and guitar solos".....lets see it guy,step up to the plate and deliver since your so quick to open up your mouth....so where did I say it?...come on don't back down like your used to doing throughout your life...where did I say that?? 

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Dale T. from Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:05:29 PM)

		Dale T. wrote:
		I'm not saying that these bands are trying to be as talented as Judas Priest or better. I guess what I was saying or why I agreed with Brian is if I had to choose which band I think is more talented I would pick Judas Priest. I can't get into that hard core stuff but I'm sure they are very good musicians.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   No offense Dale,but that sounds "idiotic". The entire purpose of "black metal"  and  "death metal" was "NOT" to be  as talented, like talented heavy metal bands such as Judas Priest,Black Sabbath,Iron Maiden,Saxon.That was the whole idea dude,it baffles my 39 year old brian that there are so called 'metal" fans out here that actually believe that a band like "Venom" or any black/death metal band for that matter are or were trying to be as talented as a band like Judas Priest or Iron Maiden! HAHAHA are you fucking kidding me Dale? Thats like Brian Evans( the poser who stole the real Brian Evan's name)claiming Toxic Holocaust are trying to be like Judas Priest or Iron maiden and are trying to play heavy metal. Come on,you guys have really got to start doing your homework man,I am not saying you have to like black metal or death metal its ok if you hate it,but to actually think that they are trying to be as talented as a band like Priest spills of ignorance. I'm just trying to tell you because sooner or later somebody else is going to trash you up one side and down the other for not realizing what your talking about so it might as well be from me right? Again,you don't have to like black metal,death metal or those "hard core death metal bands" as you called them,but they are not trying to be "talented" they are about extreme aggression and attitude. You think Venom were trying to be talented? Or "Bathory"?  They had a shitty tinny  untalented sound on purpose to achieve an ugly atmosphere that matches lyrically what they were creating and writting about and also what they looked like aesthetics wise.Black metal is not punk but the idea of creating a "raw" sound is very similar. If Venom had a sound like Defenders Of The Faith it wouldn't be fucking "Venom" now would it? No. I do NOT like very much punk rock at all yes a few that I really like,but not very much at all,most of it sucks to me but I even know "why" they sound like they do,I know that they are not trying or claming to be "talented". It shouldn't be "this hard" for you to understand,maybe thats why it baffles my fuckin brain Dale.

Dale T. wrote:  I guess what I was saying or why I agreed with Brian is if I had to choose which band I think is more talented I would pick Judas Priest. 

Well Dale....."DUH".  Thats what is "idiotic" dude. And NO a band like 'VENOM is not "talented" and NO they are not "good musicians" man,thats what I'm trying to tell you. Its not about being "talented" and its not about being "good musicians" its about "fuck your god" and being "agressive" with hatred through music,not talent or good musicianship. There was a scene long ago that used to uphold this ideology and philosophy and its just plain right out stupid to even say what you are saying. Its like telling somebody wich is more talented...the Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints or my back yard football team I assemble once a year on the 4th of July? And you have to actually tell somebody that your opinion is the New Orleans Saints you think is better...while the people you've just told are thinking "no shit.....duh".  Its a no-brianer dude,thats like saying you think Judas Priest are more talented than the Sex Pistols..ect...again "no shit". Its sooooooo obvious that it shouldn't even be asked or compared.
 
I'm not trying to be a dick and I'm not saying that you should like black or death metal its just frustrating to read this lack of knowledge from you and many others about "metal". I grew up in the 1980's I was 10 years old in 1980 when I first got into heavy metal with British Steel and I was 19 years old in 1989 getting into the first Morbid Angel album...I've been through the entire 1980's as a "metal fan",heavy metal,black metal,death metal,thrash metal and I know these genres very well,I am a veteran.

		Dale T. wrote:
		I'm not saying that these bands are trying to be as talented as Judas Priest or better. I guess what I was saying or why I agreed with Brian is if I had to choose which band I think is more talented I would pick Judas Priest. I can't get into that hard core stuff but I'm sure they are very good musicians.      J.D. DIAMOND wrote:   No offense Dale,but that sounds "idiotic". The entire purpose of "black metal"  and  "death metal" was "NOT" to be  as talented, like talented heavy metal bands such as Judas Priest,Black Sabbath,Iron Maiden,Saxon.That was the whole idea dude,it baffles my 39 year old brian that there are so called 'metal" fans out here that actually believe that a band like "Venom" or any black/death metal band for that matter are or were trying to be as talented as a band like Judas Priest or Iron Maiden! HAHAHA are you fucking kidding me Dale? Thats like Brian Evans( the poser who stole the real Brian Evan's name)claiming Toxic Holocaust are trying to be like Judas Priest or Iron maiden and are trying to play heavy metal. Come on,you guys have really got to start doing your homework man,I am not saying you have to like black metal or death metal its ok if you hate it,but to actually think that they are trying to be as talented as a band like Priest spills of ignorance. I'm just trying to tell you because sooner or later somebody else is going to trash you up one side and down the other for not realizing what your talking about so it might as well be from me right? Again,you don't have to like black metal,death metal or those "hard core death metal bands" as you called them,but they are not trying to be "talented" they are about extreme aggression and attitude. You think Venom were trying to be talented? Or "Bathory"?  They had a shitty tinny  untalented sound on purpose to achieve an ugly atmosphere that matches lyrically what they were creating and writting about and also what they looked like aesthetics wise.Black metal is not punk but the idea of creating a "raw" sound is very similar. If Venom had a sound like Defenders Of The Faith it wouldn't be fucking "Venom" now would it? No. I do NOT like very much punk rock at all yes a few that I really like,but not very much at all,most of it sucks to me but I even know "why" they sound like they do,I know that they are not trying or claming to be "talented". It shouldn't be "this hard" for you to understand,maybe thats why it baffles my fuckin brain Dale.