They most definitely have lost their message. Sometimes I think that these 'do gooders' as I like to call them, like to go after the petty stuff because it's easier for them. They think the world is paying attention to them because of their shock/obscure factor. What they are not realizing is that they are being laughed at or ignored. So like you say, the real criminals and animal abusers get to do pretty much what they want because nobody really gives a damn. They are pathetic in the whole insect thing. Have they forgotten how disease such as the Plague etc came about? (Now, I have pet rats but when something is threatening human nature it's a no brainer or is it? lol)

Go after the seal clubbers, illegal whale hunters and the puppy farmers and dog fighters. Then maybe I'll pay attention.

		HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
		I am totally in agreement with you there! I agree with them against cruelty to animals, but come on! They just went  way too far off the deep end which causes their message to be lost in my opinion. Against killing flies??? Are you kidding me? Someone just told me that they were concerned about the treatment of  mealworms in a movie where they were being "fed to a mouse" so to speak. Jesus, go after the real criminals starving/beating their pets, etc.!!      joedraper wrote: They are over the top. I am against cruelty to anything or anyone (except ABBA fans lol j/k) but I do think that these 'do gooders' don't put a whole lot of thought into their actions. They are emotionally motivated and when you are overly emotional in your thinking you abandon rationality and this is where the danger comes in.  I also don't think that converting the entire human race into vegans is going to help the cause either. I do agree that cutting down on meat and wastage in general is the way to go but I mean.. Come on people.. Meat is a choice and if you enjoy eating it that does not make you a barbaric person. They want  you to not use leather clothing or wool from sheep etc.. Were these animals not created for us to use as well as to look after? For those that are biblical it is even written in the Bible that consumption of meat is not a sin etc.. (no, I am not biblical but I have read the Bible) I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with you on the PETA folk not being very brainy and their shock tactics do more repulsion than draw folk to the cause.      HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: The PETA people are idiots. When I went to Michigan State, they broke into a building housing minks. The minks weren't being used for research, but I don't remember why they were there. The morons released them IN THE WINTER IN MICHIGAN!! Needless to say, all the minks died...... They actually thought that was better than being in cages??  Where is that common sense shot I ordered?      Becks wrote: I've never liked PETA to be honest for the reason that they bring new meaning to the word extreme, LOL! They would hate me then cos I kill every spider I come across LOL! The joys of being an arachniphobe.      spapad wrote: PETA has just gone so extremist it's rediculous!  There is no way every person in the PETA foundation has never killed their share of flies! Bullshit!      Becks wrote: LMAO I heard about PETA going off about him killing a fly. It's a fuckin fly! LMAO! Like you said, who likes flies? Well, PETA by the sounds of it, LMAO.      spapad wrote: She is very happy at home and VERY vocal about it! LOL Thank you hellrider! Guid, I agree with you. Animal abusers should belong at the pit of hell along with Dahmer, Manson, etc.  The one thing I saw from PETA recently was abusing Pres. Obama for killing a fly. Who likes flies? And How many Billion of them are there!  One gone wont be missed! HAAAA!!!!!!      hellrider 31038 wrote: lol.great shot she looks very happy and right at home.lol      spapad wrote: She moved in a became the Queen! LOL She's good, but just a little bit naughty!      guidogodoy wrote: You got that right! And I bet Lucy works all your guitar pedals too...erm...wait....      spapad wrote: I'm convinced they are twins once removed or of the same mut parentage we know nothing of! Lucy Weighs exactly 36.5 pounds now, she's so close to Calvin is scary! And then there's the looks! Bet Calvin turns his head alot when you talk to him too.      guidogodoy wrote: Lunar landscape it is...friggin' moon dog! I am really surprised he hasn't dug up a phone line or electrical cable or something. At least the damage is somewhat contained by the electric fence.

I am totally in agreement with you there! I agree with them against cruelty to animals, but come on! They just went  way too far off the deep end which causes their message to be lost in my opinion. Against killing flies??? Are you kidding me? Someone just told me that they were concerned about the treatment of  mealworms in a movie where they were being "fed to a mouse" so to speak. Jesus, go after the real criminals starving/beating their pets, etc.!!

		joedraper wrote:
		They are over the top. I am against cruelty to anything or anyone (except ABBA fans lol j/k) but I do think that these 'do gooders' don't put a whole lot of thought into their actions. They are emotionally motivated and when you are overly emotional in your thinking you abandon rationality and this is where the danger comes in.  I also don't think that converting the entire human race into vegans is going to help the cause either. I do agree that cutting down on meat and wastage in general is the way to go but I mean.. Come on people.. Meat is a choice and if you enjoy eating it that does not make you a barbaric person. They want  you to not use leather clothing or wool from sheep etc.. Were these animals not created for us to use as well as to look after? For those that are biblical it is even written in the Bible that consumption of meat is not a sin etc.. (no, I am not biblical but I have read the Bible) I guess what I'm saying is that I agree with you on the PETA folk not being very brainy and their shock tactics do more repulsion than draw folk to the cause.      HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote: The PETA people are idiots. When I went to Michigan State, they broke into a building housing minks. The minks weren't being used for research, but I don't remember why they were there. The morons released them IN THE WINTER IN MICHIGAN!! Needless to say, all the minks died...... They actually thought that was better than being in cages??  Where is that common sense shot I ordered?      Becks wrote: I've never liked PETA to be honest for the reason that they bring new meaning to the word extreme, LOL! They would hate me then cos I kill every spider I come across LOL! The joys of being an arachniphobe.      spapad wrote: PETA has just gone so extremist it's rediculous!  There is no way every person in the PETA foundation has never killed their share of flies! Bullshit!      Becks wrote: LMAO I heard about PETA going off about him killing a fly. It's a fuckin fly! LMAO! Like you said, who likes flies? Well, PETA by the sounds of it, LMAO.      spapad wrote: She is very happy at home and VERY vocal about it! LOL Thank you hellrider! Guid, I agree with you. Animal abusers should belong at the pit of hell along with Dahmer, Manson, etc.  The one thing I saw from PETA recently was abusing Pres. Obama for killing a fly. Who likes flies? And How many Billion of them are there!  One gone wont be missed! HAAAA!!!!!!      hellrider 31038 wrote: lol.great shot she looks very happy and right at home.lol      spapad wrote: She moved in a became the Queen! LOL She's good, but just a little bit naughty!      guidogodoy wrote: You got that right! And I bet Lucy works all your guitar pedals too...erm...wait....      spapad wrote: I'm convinced they are twins once removed or of the same mut parentage we know nothing of! Lucy Weighs exactly 36.5 pounds now, she's so close to Calvin is scary! And then there's the looks! Bet Calvin turns his head alot when you talk to him too.      guidogodoy wrote: Lunar landscape it is...friggin' moon dog! I am really surprised he hasn't dug up a phone line or electrical cable or something. At least the damage is somewhat contained by the electric fence.

Goodmorning Painkiller87

Enjoy your day ,

		Painkiller87 wrote:
		Hi everyone! Just wanted to say good morning to everyone and that I am feeling great because I have a car again after having to bus since March to work! Will be on later because of working, so see you all then!