| [paorcamp] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:04:56 PM | |
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HI becks...I'm doing great (since I decided not to study right now  ....and I'm listening to some priest)...thanks for asking...and it's great your mom is coming...I hope you have a great time  ....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:58:45 PM)| |  | Becks wrote: | | Hiya Paor. I'm good, my mum is coming down today to stay a couple of nights, should be nice. How are you??
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | how is it going in the priest world????
hi everybody (if there's someone here) |
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| [Necroticist] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:04:27 PM | |
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| There's always peeps here - we just get tied up with other things.....and Hi :) |
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| [Becks] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:58:45 PM | |
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Hiya Paor. I'm good, my mum is coming down today to stay a couple of nights, should be nice. How are you??
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by paorcamp from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:55:06 PM)| | | paorcamp wrote: | | how is it going in the priest world????
hi everybody (if there's someone here) |
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| [paorcamp] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:55:06 PM | |
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how is it going in the priest world????
hi everybody (if there's someone here) |
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| [Becks] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:51:39 PM | |
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Thanks guys. It's only an extra week away, which in the scheme of things is nothing, but I was so excited for next week. Bah. Oh well, like I said, I will press on! lol.
I should not watch the food channel, it makes me very hungry LOL!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:10:47 PM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Oh Becks Iam sorry to hear that, I did some back reading also.. I hope he returns home soon.
I am sending you a hug.
MG~
| | | Becks wrote: | | Hiya everyone. Another day here. Still feeling pretty crap after the news I got yesterday, but I will press on.
Cool pic MG!
Hope everyone is well. |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:10:47 PM | |
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Oh Becks Iam sorry to hear that, I did some back reading also.. I hope he returns home soon.
I am sending you a hug.
MG~
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:50:39 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Hiya everyone. Another day here. Still feeling pretty crap after the news I got yesterday, but I will press on.
Cool pic MG!
Hope everyone is well. |
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| [spapad] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 6:07:43 PM | |
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Did a little backreading, Becks! I'm so sorry! I know it must be beyond disapointing! Sending you a big hug!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:50:39 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Hiya everyone. Another day here. Still feeling pretty crap after the news I got yesterday, but I will press on.
Cool pic MG!
Hope everyone is well. |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:08:17 PM | |
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OMG HB I absolutley hate that girl! 2 days after she was out of re-hab, she was 2 seats in front of me at a Oakland raiders game in California, Drunk as can be.... LOL
All these people were there yelling at her calling her a slut ect... I didnt realize who it was until the crowd around me drew so much attention to her.. Needless to say she wasnt very liked in that home crowd, esp since she was wearing the opposing teams jersey... Dumbass, ..
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:49:21 PM) |
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| [Becks] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:50:39 PM | |
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Hiya everyone. Another day here. Still feeling pretty crap after the news I got yesterday, but I will press on.
Cool pic MG!
Hope everyone is well. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:47:30 PM | |
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HAR HAR, strat! Always with the funny business..... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Afternoon, kiddies. Busy today working on recording. I have actually gotten pretty good at this confounded machine! Still bugs me ... TODAY the damn thing completely crashed!! Screen went black, music shut off. Dead. Scared the poo out of me as I was dreading the notion of having to go into the bedroom and tell the Princess I killed the computer! She would no doubt blame my singing.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fortunately it is working now. Still have NO idea what happened.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:17:26 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | So, you would hire geeks? Why am I not surprised...
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You know, it is good to come home and see a stirring debate waiting for me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I am fairly certain that everyone (or nearly everyone) here knows my feelings regarding education. There are many opinions and varying schools of thought on what higher education means in this day and age but, I remain steadfast in my position that a college education is still as important today as it has always been.
There are positions that are filled by people that are not formally educated. There are people that are incredibly intelligent who do not have college credentials. In short, there is always an exception to the rule. However, with the number of folks that are looking for work nowadays, the employee-pool has taken on quite a different look than it has had in years past. Even very bright, intellectual people are out of work. When this occurs, one's education becomes increasingly important. You see, I do understand what Tim was trying to say. You want the "right" person in the position, not always the most educated. But what happens when you have more than one "right" person? What criteria is used to further define just who is most "right"?
Of course, a lot of it has to do with the job at hand. We all know that different personalities handle different jobs with different styles. Depending on what is expected, one can even further narrow the choices. It really depends on the industry and the job description. I cannot speak for those industries with which I have no experience but I do know about mine. The financial industry, for all it's current deprecation, is still an industry made up of highly skilled, highly educated individuals. If I were to interview subjects for a position and I found that I had more than one who appeared qualified, I would absolutely look at their educational background. Absolutely. An education says a lot about a person. It is not just about being "book smart". It is about dedication and perserverence. It is about hard work and ability to achieve. Sacrifice and focus. Obtaining a degree is only part of it.
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:49:21 PM | |
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| [joedraper] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:40:49 PM | |
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Wow what a great pic MG!!
How was everyone's easter? Ours was pretty hectic had a birthday party for my little princess on thursday and they just got showered with cake and candy and chocolate eggs lol. I think they're happy to be back at school at last to have some order.. I'm just happy that all the chocolate is gone!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:36:13 AM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | Have a great day everyone...
Freeze welcome home!!!
Hugs MG~
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| [_strat_] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:17:26 AM | |
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So, you would hire geeks? Why am I not surprised...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:05:07 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You know, it is good to come home and see a stirring debate waiting for me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I am fairly certain that everyone (or nearly everyone) here knows my feelings regarding education. There are many opinions and varying schools of thought on what higher education means in this day and age but, I remain steadfast in my position that a college education is still as important today as it has always been.
There are positions that are filled by people that are not formally educated. There are people that are incredibly intelligent who do not have college credentials. In short, there is always an exception to the rule. However, with the number of folks that are looking for work nowadays, the employee-pool has taken on quite a different look than it has had in years past. Even very bright, intellectual people are out of work. When this occurs, one's education becomes increasingly important. You see, I do understand what Tim was trying to say. You want the "right" person in the position, not always the most educated. But what happens when you have more than one "right" person? What criteria is used to further define just who is most "right"?
Of course, a lot of it has to do with the job at hand. We all know that different personalities handle different jobs with different styles. Depending on what is expected, one can even further narrow the choices. It really depends on the industry and the job description. I cannot speak for those industries with which I have no experience but I do know about mine. The financial industry, for all it's current deprecation, is still an industry made up of highly skilled, highly educated individuals. If I were to interview subjects for a position and I found that I had more than one who appeared qualified, I would absolutely look at their educational background. Absolutely. An education says a lot about a person. It is not just about being "book smart". It is about dedication and perserverence. It is about hard work and ability to achieve. Sacrifice and focus. Obtaining a degree is only part of it.
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:36:13 AM | |
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Have a great day everyone...
Freeze welcome home!!!
Hugs MG~
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:32:17 AM | |
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the most right person, if they are equal may well be the one without the degree, depending on the job. if I am hiring a car washer, the degree I look for is the one from bombay with a masters in shrimp. I know that degree will do her no good in any science job here, so she would stay. the degree in computer science tells me that the person wants to be at a desk, not working physicaly, this would be a temp job for them. the right candidate depends on the job.
for some jobs, a degree is absolutly a requirement, for others its a good thing, for some, its not. a lot of graduates do not understand how different work is from school. some do and stay in school.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:05:07 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You know, it is good to come home and see a stirring debate waiting for me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I am fairly certain that everyone (or nearly everyone) here knows my feelings regarding education. There are many opinions and varying schools of thought on what higher education means in this day and age but, I remain steadfast in my position that a college education is still as important today as it has always been.
There are positions that are filled by people that are not formally educated. There are people that are incredibly intelligent who do not have college credentials. In short, there is always an exception to the rule. However, with the number of folks that are looking for work nowadays, the employee-pool has taken on quite a different look than it has had in years past. Even very bright, intellectual people are out of work. When this occurs, one's education becomes increasingly important. You see, I do understand what Tim was trying to say. You want the "right" person in the position, not always the most educated. But what happens when you have more than one "right" person? What criteria is used to further define just who is most "right"?
Of course, a lot of it has to do with the job at hand. We all know that different personalities handle different jobs with different styles. Depending on what is expected, one can even further narrow the choices. It really depends on the industry and the job description. I cannot speak for those industries with which I have no experience but I do know about mine. The financial industry, for all it's current deprecation, is still an industry made up of highly skilled, highly educated individuals. If I were to interview subjects for a position and I found that I had more than one who appeared qualified, I would absolutely look at their educational background. Absolutely. An education says a lot about a person. It is not just about being "book smart". It is about dedication and perserverence. It is about hard work and ability to achieve. Sacrifice and focus. Obtaining a degree is only part of it.
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:12:43 AM | |
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your right. education is fine, but real knowledge is gained from practical aplication. my company put in place a policy that all new managers needed a degree. so on the conf call to discuss it my boss and I asked if we should resign. I have hired great people to be managers, with and without degree's, but the best are always those who have worked their way up. I have also hired people who had degree's, interviewed well, and couldnt find their ass with both hands and a map.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Monday, April 13, 2009 11:47:11 PM)| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | Not to insult anyone and their pursuit of education, but experience is extremely valuable. I have encountered many "book smart" people who couldn't common sense their way out of a wet paper bag. The job pays what the job pays. If I'm going to hire someone to do it, I want someone who can do it right and do it right away. If I have to train them, they are not qualified for the job.
Unfortunately a degree just doesn't mean what it used to. There was a time when schools only excepted the exceptional and the degrees they earned reflected the hard work and dedication it took to obtain them. Now it seems that anyone who can afford to go can go. As with most things these days, mediocrity is the norm. It was deemed necessary to find ways for all to attend college and obtain degrees. This cheapened their value to the point that the degree alone meant little compared to actual experience doing the job one is applying for. It's a shame that the truly intelligent and hard working get the same degree as the mediocre and there is no way to tell the difference since employers do not have access to grades and actual achievement during their schooling.
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| [Deep Freeze] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:05:07 AM | |
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You know, it is good to come home and see a stirring debate waiting for me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I am fairly certain that everyone (or nearly everyone) here knows my feelings regarding education. There are many opinions and varying schools of thought on what higher education means in this day and age but, I remain steadfast in my position that a college education is still as important today as it has always been.
There are positions that are filled by people that are not formally educated. There are people that are incredibly intelligent who do not have college credentials. In short, there is always an exception to the rule. However, with the number of folks that are looking for work nowadays, the employee-pool has taken on quite a different look than it has had in years past. Even very bright, intellectual people are out of work. When this occurs, one's education becomes increasingly important. You see, I do understand what Tim was trying to say. You want the "right" person in the position, not always the most educated. But what happens when you have more than one "right" person? What criteria is used to further define just who is most "right"?
Of course, a lot of it has to do with the job at hand. We all know that different personalities handle different jobs with different styles. Depending on what is expected, one can even further narrow the choices. It really depends on the industry and the job description. I cannot speak for those industries with which I have no experience but I do know about mine. The financial industry, for all it's current deprecation, is still an industry made up of highly skilled, highly educated individuals. If I were to interview subjects for a position and I found that I had more than one who appeared qualified, I would absolutely look at their educational background. Absolutely. An education says a lot about a person. It is not just about being "book smart". It is about dedication and perserverence. It is about hard work and ability to achieve. Sacrifice and focus. Obtaining a degree is only part of it.
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| [kiamat] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:46:26 AM | |
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Thats an attitude I wish companies had more of in the UK- the government upped the number of people going to university so much that a degree isn't worth much at all, you need at least a masters to be well qualified.
But then again, university isn't just a means to a job, people go there just because they want to learn stuff as well.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:03:31 AM)| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | True that companies are always looking for the cheaper option, as long as it can acheive the same goal. And yes, I do understand that there is always some kind of training involved at a new job since every company has it's own ways of doing things. But just think. How much time, effort and money is spent obtaining degrees in order to do a job that could be learned through on the job training and getting paid, not paying, to learn it. Personally, I believe that the job has either got to be something that you love or be worth a huge amount of money to bother with higher education these days. By the time you're done spending the time getting the education ( and not earning money on the job ) and then repaying all the loans taken to get the education how much is the degree holder actually making versus all the money lost during the process ? |
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| [paorcamp] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:20:09 AM | |
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I'm sorry tim...but you should also take into account that this is the third world(my country) and things are a bit different here
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:03:31 AM)| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | True that companies are always looking for the cheaper option, as long as it can acheive the same goal. And yes, I do understand that there is always some kind of training involved at a new job since every company has it's own ways of doing things. But just think. How much time, effort and money is spent obtaining degrees in order to do a job that could be learned through on the job training and getting paid, not paying, to learn it. Personally, I believe that the job has either got to be something that you love or be worth a huge amount of money to bother with higher education these days. By the time you're done spending the time getting the education ( and not earning money on the job ) and then repaying all the loans taken to get the education how much is the degree holder actually making versus all the money lost during the process ? |
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| [paorcamp] Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:11:47 AM | |
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well...you got an interesting point...but...at least in my case I'm not paying since I have a scholarship...and I also need a degree to be acredited as an oficial translator...but...what's the point of having a job if you don't have the most remote idea of what you are doing...and of course they do not pay very well if you don't have a degree...but you wouldn't get that job if you have a degree because there are many people in the line that would be asking for a lower salary...you see...so people are being treated as objects, and those cheaper to maintain are the chosen ones...so there's not a big deal on working instead of studying if your earnings are going to be miserable...
I just think it's complicated to explain...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 12:03:31 AM)| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | True that companies are always looking for the cheaper option, as long as it can acheive the same goal. And yes, I do understand that there is always some kind of training involved at a new job since every company has it's own ways of doing things. But just think. How much time, effort and money is spent obtaining degrees in order to do a job that could be learned through on the job training and getting paid, not paying, to learn it. Personally, I believe that the job has either got to be something that you love or be worth a huge amount of money to bother with higher education these days. By the time you're done spending the time getting the education ( and not earning money on the job ) and then repaying all the loans taken to get the education how much is the degree holder actually making versus all the money lost during the process ? |
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