DAMN you Freeze, you said you'd never tell!!

Now then, if "America" likes music has nothing whatsoever to do with me. Were you to know me, you'd know that I travel quite a bit internationally and simply know what I like. Were you sad when "Mama Afrika" died? I was as were a few here. She was an Icon. Vinicius de Moraes in Brazil. Tom Jobim. Had GREAT influence in the world! USA (not America in the greater sense of the word) has impact on sales but not longevity. New Kids? Sure, pop crap. Did they last? No. Did they have a world tour, I would argue that they did but I am glad to say I have no idea! 

Maiden. I have some 20 bootlegs. They BOMBED here in the US on the ("Matter of Life") tour because they didn't play much to the audience! They pushed their new album that most of us thought was mediocre at best. I could even quote articles where they all but apologized for having played all of their new crap to an audience who wanted some old stuff. Thus, the last tour they named many a time to "make up" for the mistake of the previous tour. Certain members even called us "outdated" for not embracing their new material. Well, so be it. Lump me in that group. Look at their last album. I had to blow dust off of it but the shortest song is the first one: 4:17? First song at that?!? You must be kidding if you think that this isn't an overblown mess of an album. Name me one song and I'll try to listen to it again. I've already stated my reasons for my discarding it as nonsense. TEMPO and lack thereof. They keep the third guitar (honorable, I suppose) but there is almost a battle for guitar leads if ANY even exist in the album.

I'll gladly accept any song that you'd recommend apart from Rainmaker that I already said I liked in ANY of the Maiden albums I mean that. Sadly, I could find none in any album since Fear and even that was a big let down to me (and you as well, obviously). ONE song might have been decent. I forget. To compare anything new to old Maiden is nothing short of blasphemy IMO. So, in the oldest sense of the phrase,  I still say: UP THE (old) IRONS! Just give me some damn METAL!

		metalmaz wrote:
		Well it would be dull if we all liked the same wouldn't it. I agree Fear Of The Dark is pants (although not as much as Nostraboreus).  I do like your post about America not taking to their music. So if something sells in America it's a measure of how good an album is. You must be a big fan of New Kids On The Block        guidogodoy wrote:   OMG! I couldn't be more opposed. Maiden has gotten BETTER?! AAARGH!! I was the biggest diehard fan you could imagine! Look at my profile from twenty years ago and say it isn't true. I was onstage with them FFS! However, since Fear of the Dark they have lost all credit with me (ironically the concert I was onstage with them was THAT one). Last album from IM was a nightmare. Listened to it ONCE and threw it into a corner. Three guitars? That is something out of Spinal Tap. Talk about "pompous!" Each song is like 10 minutes long and changes tempo so often that it almost seems like a gimmick to them. They then wonder why the USA never "took" to their new album. Bruce rejoining the band and "Rainmaker" has been their only redeeming song in all the years since Fear, IMO. Priest is so far beyond them it isn't funny. To each their own but PLEASE, stop with that "NostraBOREus" business. Yeah, we got it the first time. Why not post that droll humor on the Maiden site. Better yet, why don't I go there and post why I don't like their (ahem) music. Oh yeah, they charge to post....      metalmaz wrote:   I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.  Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era."  They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this. Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album" And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard.  They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is  an awesome drummer"  and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP. NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing . Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes. How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.          Cobras-Aura wrote:   I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.

DAMN you Freeze, you said you'd never tell!!

Now then, if "America" likes music has nothing whatsoever to do with me. Were you to know me, you'd know that I travel quite a bit internationally and simply know what I like. Were you sad when "Mama Afrika" died? I was as were a few here. She was an Icon. Vinicius de Moraes in Brazil. Tom Jobim. Had GREAT influence in the world! USA (not America in the greater sense of the word) has impact on sales but not longevity. New Kids? Sure, pop crap. Did they last? No. Did they have a world tour, I would argue that they did but I am glad to say I have no idea! 

Maiden. I have some 20 bootlegs. They BOMBED here in the US on the ("Matter of Life") tour because they didn't play much to the audience! They pushed their new album that most of us thought was mediocre at best. I could even quote articles where they all but apologized for having played all of their new crap to an audience who wanted some old stuff. Thus, the last tour they named many a time to "make up" for the mistake of the previous tour. Certain members even called us "outdated" for not embracing their new material. Well, so be it. Lump me in that group. Look at their last album. I had to blow dust off of it but the shortest song is the first one: 4:17? First song at that?!? You must be kidding if you think that this isn't an overblown mess of an album. Name me one song and I'll try to listen to it again. I've already stated my reasons for my discarding it as nonsense. TEMPO and lack thereof. They keep the third guitar (honorable, I suppose) but there is almost a battle for guitar leads if ANY even exist in the album.

I'll gladly accept any song that you'd recommend apart from Rainmaker that I already said I liked in ANY of the Maiden albums I mean that. Sadly, I could find none in any album since Fear and even that was a big let down to me (and you as well, obviously). ONE song might have been decent. I forget. To compare anything new to old Maiden is nothing short of blasphemy IMO. So, in the oldest sense of the phrase,  I still say: UP THE (old) IRONS! Just give me some damn METAL!

		metalmaz wrote:
		Well it would be dull if we all liked the same wouldn't it. I agree Fear Of The Dark is pants (although not as much as Nostraboreus).  I do like your post about America not taking to their music. So if something sells in America it's a measure of how good an album is. You must be a big fan of New Kids On The Block        guidogodoy wrote:   OMG! I couldn't be more opposed. Maiden has gotten BETTER?! AAARGH!! I was the biggest diehard fan you could imagine! Look at my profile from twenty years ago and say it isn't true. I was onstage with them FFS! However, since Fear of the Dark they have lost all credit with me (ironically the concert I was onstage with them was THAT one). Last album from IM was a nightmare. Listened to it ONCE and threw it into a corner. Three guitars? That is something out of Spinal Tap. Talk about "pompous!" Each song is like 10 minutes long and changes tempo so often that it almost seems like a gimmick to them. They then wonder why the USA never "took" to their new album. Bruce rejoining the band and "Rainmaker" has been their only redeeming song in all the years since Fear, IMO. Priest is so far beyond them it isn't funny. To each their own but PLEASE, stop with that "NostraBOREus" business. Yeah, we got it the first time. Why not post that droll humor on the Maiden site. Better yet, why don't I go there and post why I don't like their (ahem) music. Oh yeah, they charge to post....      metalmaz wrote:   I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.  Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era."  They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this. Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album" And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard.  They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is  an awesome drummer"  and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP. NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing . Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes. How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.          Cobras-Aura wrote:   I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.

IF I MAY THROW MY 2 CENTS IN HERE. I LOVE ROCKA ROLLA. ONE OF MY FAVORITE PRIEST ALBUMS. UNFORTUNATELY WITH GULL AS THEIR RECORD LABEL IT WAS A TERRIBLE RECORDING. I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO RE-RECORD THAT ALBUM, 'RUN OF THE MILL'  AND  'DYING TO MEET YOU' ARE GREAT SONGS.  

FREEZE, I KNOW YOU CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS  QUESTION FOR ME.

WHAT ARE THE REASONS THEY NEVER WENT BACK AND RE-RECORDED ROCKA ROLLA. ARE THERE LEGAL ISSUES?

Well it would be dull if we all liked the same wouldn't it.

I agree Fear Of The Dark is pants (although not as much as Nostraboreus). 

I do like your post about America not taking to their music. So if something sells in America it's a measure of how good an album is. You must be a big fan of New Kids On The Block  

		guidogodoy wrote:
		OMG! I couldn't be more opposed. Maiden has gotten BETTER?! AAARGH!! I was the biggest diehard fan you could imagine! Look at my profile from twenty years ago and say it isn't true. I was onstage with them FFS! However, since Fear of the Dark they have lost all credit with me (ironically the concert I was onstage with them was THAT one). Last album from IM was a nightmare. Listened to it ONCE and threw it into a corner. Three guitars? That is something out of Spinal Tap. Talk about "pompous!" Each song is like 10 minutes long and changes tempo so often that it almost seems like a gimmick to them. They then wonder why the USA never "took" to their new album. Bruce rejoining the band and "Rainmaker" has been their only redeeming song in all the years since Fear, IMO. Priest is so far beyond them it isn't funny. To each their own but PLEASE, stop with that "NostraBOREus" business. Yeah, we got it the first time. Why not post that droll humor on the Maiden site. Better yet, why don't I go there and post why I don't like their (ahem) music. Oh yeah, they charge to post....      metalmaz wrote: I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.  Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era."  They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this. Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album" And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard.  They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is  an awesome drummer"  and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP. NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing . Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes. How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.          Cobras-Aura wrote: I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.

Well it would be dull if we all liked the same wouldn't it.

I agree Fear Of The Dark is pants (although not as much as Nostraboreus). 

I do like your post about America not taking to their music. So if something sells in America it's a measure of how good an album is. You must be a big fan of New Kids On The Block  

		guidogodoy wrote:
		OMG! I couldn't be more opposed. Maiden has gotten BETTER?! AAARGH!! I was the biggest diehard fan you could imagine! Look at my profile from twenty years ago and say it isn't true. I was onstage with them FFS! However, since Fear of the Dark they have lost all credit with me (ironically the concert I was onstage with them was THAT one). Last album from IM was a nightmare. Listened to it ONCE and threw it into a corner. Three guitars? That is something out of Spinal Tap. Talk about "pompous!" Each song is like 10 minutes long and changes tempo so often that it almost seems like a gimmick to them. They then wonder why the USA never "took" to their new album. Bruce rejoining the band and "Rainmaker" has been their only redeeming song in all the years since Fear, IMO. Priest is so far beyond them it isn't funny. To each their own but PLEASE, stop with that "NostraBOREus" business. Yeah, we got it the first time. Why not post that droll humor on the Maiden site. Better yet, why don't I go there and post why I don't like their (ahem) music. Oh yeah, they charge to post....      metalmaz wrote:   I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.  Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era."  They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this. Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album" And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard.  They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is  an awesome drummer"  and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP. NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing . Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes. How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.          Cobras-Aura wrote:   I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.

Well it would be dull if we all liked the same wouldn't it.

I agree Fear Of The Dark is pants (although not as much as Nostraboreus). 

I do like your post about America not taking to their music. So if something sells in America it's a measure of how good an album is. You must be a big fan of New Kids On The Block  

		guidogodoy wrote:
		OMG! I couldn't be more opposed. Maiden has gotten BETTER?! AAARGH!! I was the biggest diehard fan you could imagine! Look at my profile from twenty years ago and say it isn't true. I was onstage with them FFS! However, since Fear of the Dark they have lost all credit with me (ironically the concert I was onstage with them was THAT one). Last album from IM was a nightmare. Listened to it ONCE and threw it into a corner. Three guitars? That is something out of Spinal Tap. Talk about "pompous!" Each song is like 10 minutes long and changes tempo so often that it almost seems like a gimmick to them. They then wonder why the USA never "took" to their new album. Bruce rejoining the band and "Rainmaker" has been their only redeeming song in all the years since Fear, IMO. Priest is so far beyond them it isn't funny. To each their own but PLEASE, stop with that "NostraBOREus" business. Yeah, we got it the first time. Why not post that droll humor on the Maiden site. Better yet, why don't I go there and post why I don't like their (ahem) music. Oh yeah, they charge to post....      metalmaz wrote: I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.  Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era."  They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this. Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album" And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard.  They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is  an awesome drummer"  and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP. NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing . Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes. How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.          Cobras-Aura wrote: I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.