Being a Judas Priest fan for 27 plus years, I don't think people understand them, they do there own thing they follow none. That's sets them apart from the rest (ie Iron maiden and metallica). They have and always will go where none dare to go!! So if you hated Turbo or Point of Entry then don't tell Painkiller rules cause not every album is going be as great as the last . I think Stained Class or Sin after Sin are better than Painkiller. But that's my opinion.But the newbies need to look at the whole picture. Not every album is going to be Painkiller.