stay at home moms, after the maternaty leave do. and in our income stats, I am sure most forms of suport dont count.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, February 06, 2009 2:11:02 AM)| |  | _strat_ wrote: | | No one "earns" 0. If nothing else, there is at least the social support. And those that earn 1000 (and suppose 1000 is the average) are not really doing anything to raise or lover the average.
That, and the few on the top earn more than all of us combined.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | but if a million people earn 1000 per month, it skews the average right close to that. sure you get a few on the top end, you get some who earn 0. shit happens
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | If a thousand earn a million dollars between them in a month, thats thousand dollars each, and that would be average by our standards. If one person earns a million in a month, thats the equivalent of two thousand workers on our minimal wage. And, if we take into consideration that certain people get tens of millions of dollars per year, and that there are more than just one such person, then we get that a handfull of people get as much money for sitting in the board of directors, as the rest of us (say, nine tenths of the working population) get for working.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | if there are a million people there and a thousand earned a million dollars, they have very little effect on the average, but yes, some are higher and some are lower
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | The "average" wage may be a bit of a deception - over here its around 800€ - but very few actualy get that. Most get around 500, and the handfull with really big incomes bring the averages up. IDK, maybe the same at you end? I guess you have more people that are richer than our rich people.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | explain why companies provide more benefits than regulations or contracts require?
explain also, why the province with the least unions in canada has the highest average wage. thats the middle class benefiting. is this the same in the states?
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | And here's one last thing I want to say to those who find it fashionable to bash the Unions...
...try to name something at the workplace that helps a person be middle class that wasn't brought about by labor unions...
...think hard...the 8 hour work day, contract wages, paid vacations, paid holidays, retirement plans, health and hospitalization insurance, overtime pay, call-in pay, seniority rights, recall rights, safety regulations, grievance and arbitration procedures, whatever, and I can tell you where and when American workers went on bitterly faught strikes to bring those things about...
...Think, too about public schools, free text books, one-man-one-vote, direct elections of U.S. senators, child labor laws, state hospitals, workers compensation for killed or injured workers, unemployment insurance, minimum wages, mechanic lien laws, abolition of debtors prisons, anti-blacklisting laws, Social Security, all of which American unions agitated for, in some cases started in the 1880's...
...Any person who works for a living owes an unrepayable debt to the men and women who, acting through their unions, brought about by collective bargaining the wages, hours and working conditions that are today so common-place in our mines, factories, stores, and offices, whether unionized or not, that are taken for granted...
...They should never be taken for granted, for it's these very wages, benefits, and working conditions that are under assault today. Every time an air traffic controllers union gets busted, Greyhound Bus driver or Eastern Airlines pilots lose a strike, Caterpillar workers return to work without a contract our unions "give back a benefit", a little more of the "middle class" has been diminished...
...it has been said that "as the unions go, so do the middle class"...you cannot deny the parallels!! |
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