I hate the term "sell out". So many terrible connotations associated with it. I do not think that Turbo is a "sell out". I would not rank it as one of my top five, but it is OK. It was what they did at that time and they were very commercially relevant at the time, if you recall. Very much so. Turbo was an attempt to remain there, as far as I can see. I do not see it as selling out, though.
For me, AoR was more of a "return" to what it is they do. Not so much as Painkiller, but then, Painkiller is a classic. I really do not think that Priest concern themselves with what the "industry" wants, otherwise we would be listening to a Priest-Rap album by now. Or Priest - Hip Hop. THAT would be selling out! No, I think that Judas Priest are (and rightfully so) of the opinion that they are "above" that kind of thinking. Doing what is commercially required is not for them. They are at a point where they can do what they want to do and if sales are low, no one is going to be trading in the Bently for a Neon, you know?
Priest do not need to sell five million albums a year and win ten Grammys to be relevant. They have paid their dues, influenced their genre (really influenced), and secured their status and legends. They are in the unique and quite wonderful position of doing whatever they fancy and the mortgage still gets paid on time. Very few reach that level. More importantly, they do not have to "re-invent' themselves as so many "Pop" artists must in order to be viable as entertainers and artists to a moronic public. That kind of crap is for the Britney Spears' of the world. Those with very little substance and an overload of marketing hype.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 09, 2009 1:31:01 PM)| |  | Head banger wrote: | | but, how do we know they are doing what they want? Turbo, was that a sell out? lots say so, I like it, but who am I. AOR was awesome, yet sold squat. is nost a gimick to sell more?
do they want to sell more? are they doing what they want, or what the industry wants? is selling out what they want? could they do some comercial crap? probably, but no one would buy it. they are known for doing what they do, not for "popular (read music lots of people like) music"
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | I see your point...I got it...but priest(after rob's return) kept doing whatever they wanted...you can see it with the last two albums....of course a band needs to sell their products...otherwise they would be unknown...and we fans would be disapointed and furious if we couldn't get their music....guitars and other stuff are not for free and they also need to eat...but metallica changed to a comercial band,they lost their identity...they lost that thing that made us like their music...and of course they turned their back to their real fans...on the other hand priest keeps trying new things, and nostradamus is a piece of evidence...for those who like it(i like it) and for those who don't
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I see. Well pao, win or lose, like or dislike, it is still about selling and making money. I admire your allegiance to Metal. I really do. Unfortunately, marketing and sales is what this whole show was about. Now then, on to your other post;
It is interesting that you would put it this way. ....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band.... As much as our dear friend Mr. Uno may take exception to what I am going to say, isn't that what Priest did with Ripper? They wanted to stay commercially viable and turned from what made them who they are/were. Jugulator is a great example. Not "Priest" sounding at all, as far as I am concerned. Very much like the grinding, crunchy "Nu-Metal" sound that is more commercial and sells more. They were trying to keep the cash coming in. Trying to remain relevant in the face of a HUGE change.
Of course, there are some that may point to Rob's return as a commercial gimmick. I can accept that. Say what you will but Priest, as with any other act, want to sell their records. That is what they do. It is how they make a living. For me, and most fans of the Band, Rob is what makes Priest. He is THE voice so I do not view his return as previously mentioned but I can see where some might make that connection. Anyway, it all comes down to selling the product. I don't think that Judas Priest are in a position at this stage of their career where they really need money..I mean gazillions. They certainly enjoy a comfortable lifestyle, I'm sure. I think Nostradamus is a good example of that. They did something they wanted to do, whether or not it is a commercial success. And I do not mean to insinuate that I do not like the album, because I do like it. I just believe that the Band has gone beyond the need for commercialism and so things like the Grammy award are nice but they won't really affect the Band's future.
| | | paorcamp wrote: | | NOOOO....I refuse to give credit to a band which turned its back to heavy metal to become a heavy comercial band....I won't give credit to a group who prefered fame and fortune over the real escence of music...sorry...but I can't...that's not selling more cd's by hardworking...that's selling more cd's because they left their roots and their true personality to do what the industry wants them to do...and that's something a real band would never do!!...that's not what made metallica famous...now they became shitallica...Who's the master of puppets now???huh???not you metallica...that's for sure!!! (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Monday, February 09, 2009 11:40:39 AM)
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GIve Tallica credit, they won the award. They sell more cd's anyway.
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eh...what kind of priest fan could ever say something like that!!!??
are you ok???If priest didn't deserve it...why would metallica do!!??
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| Lots of sour grapes in here. Maybe Priest didn't win because they just didn't deserve to. |
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