Well, first of all, I wont get personal here, not in this thread, where tensions are high enough as it is.
The only thing I will say is that, even in these last years of our welfare state (or at least so it looks) the words "medical bill" are unheard of. Comes from public healthcare, which is another benefit of a welfare state. If you need medical assistance, you get it, period. Not as good as it used to be (due to privatisation of healthcare), but it is there. Always. Frankly, I dont know how America can even be considered a developed nation, without something as basic as that.
Now facts... There are and were a lot of cases around the world. In these times, it would be the Scandinavian social democracies (Sweden in particular), and in the past, some socialist countries, like Czhecoslovakia, USSR, Yugoslavia... Enough jobs, so everyone that wanted to work could, and if you couldnt work, a decent welfare system, plus good pensions.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:31:03 PM)| |  | spapad wrote: | | Show me the facts on this! I know from experience when I left my X and was officially homeless in the state's eyes, I applied for emergency aid. I Got 35.00 dollars for that. I never wanted to be unemployed nor did I ever want to apply for famis, but at the time, It was the only way I had to cover my medical bills. Otherwise, I would never had appplied for that. I got my ribs kicked in and black eyes with a somewhat cracked nose, and I needed the benefits only to cover my medical bills, and guess what! The state did not cover it! Even homeless, because I was not officially separated from my soon to be X, they said I didn't need help.
Dont tell me about your ideals! i know how pitiful the system works and I do object.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | It isnt a way to live. Like I said, its supposed to be the minimum. Now, of course, there people who abuse it. But how many are there that need it, through no fault of their own? Especialy in these times, when the unemployment is soaring. Should people that lost their jobs just starve to death? And all just because a moron in a white shirt fucked something up.
And what is interesting the most is that countries where good welfare is combined with good employment oportunity actualy suffer less poverty (now who would have thought?), and all that goes with it (particulary crime).
| | | spapad wrote: | | Welfare is the minimum you can get by on for most people. There are some who abuse the system by becoming baby machines so they never have to work.
A welfare state is stupid. Why do people think that is a way to live. Tenaments of welfare are always overrun with drugs and violence. So you have a roof over your head but your children will end up being junkies and prostitutes. Great idea! Pffft! If I needed a way to live without working when there is something wrong with me then maybe they should just lock me up for being a worthless individual. If your that lazy, that's what you deserve.
Edited at: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:57:27 PM |
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