Well, I absolutely think that the office that does welfare should investigate, and try as best as it can to prevent abuses. I guess that it will never be 100% abuse-proof, but I certainly dont think that just because some people abuse it, that those that really need it should be left without it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 18, 2009 4:37:38 AM)| |  | ronhartsell wrote: | | Good morning strat...I do have to chime in on this part of the conversation...when someone applies for Gov. aid, assuming the laws and regulations are relatively the same, the office that one applies to has to investigate the claimants claims of poverty (or whatever)...considering spapad was technically still married, they probably saw fit that her husband should be obligated to cover her medical...all offices are like that, they'll take care of (partially or in whole) if there is no other obligated party to do so...but that doesn't apply to everyone...women, infants and children take priority, it is very. very rare that a male is able to collect any kind of Gov. aid unless they are disabled or are single, jobless parents, and even then they have to sign a document allowing them to garnish wages at a later date when they are back on their feet, but not women (at least in Indiana)...and if a woman with child(ren) is on Gov, aid, they get the SSN of the father and track him down and garnish his wages to help recover their costs...in no way or at any time can someone just walk into an office and walk out with benefits that day unless it is an emergency and you can prove it...usually you get to the interview stage and you're handed a piece of paper that requests a boat load of information, most of which you don't have with you, then another appointment once you've gathered all the info, then an investigation (yes, they will come to your home and inspect!!)...it's quite a lengthy process...our hospitals are only legally bound to stop the bleeding (life saving measures) otherwise, you are on your own...this is how welfare/Gov. aid works here (in general)...
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, first of all, I wont get personal here, not in this thread, where tensions are high enough as it is.
The only thing I will say is that, even in these last years of our welfare state (or at least so it looks) the words "medical bill" are unheard of. Comes from public healthcare, which is another benefit of a welfare state. If you need medical assistance, you get it, period. Not as good as it used to be (due to privatisation of healthcare), but it is there. Always. Frankly, I dont know how America can even be considered a developed nation, without something as basic as that.
Now facts... There are and were a lot of cases around the world. In these times, it would be the Scandinavian social democracies (Sweden in particular), and in the past, some socialist countries, like Czhecoslovakia, USSR, Yugoslavia... Enough jobs, so everyone that wanted to work could, and if you couldnt work, a decent welfare system, plus good pensions.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Show me the facts on this! I know from experience when I left my X and was officially homeless in the state's eyes, I applied for emergency aid. I Got 35.00 dollars for that. I never wanted to be unemployed nor did I ever want to apply for famis, but at the time, It was the only way I had to cover my medical bills. Otherwise, I would never had appplied for that. I got my ribs kicked in and black eyes with a somewhat cracked nose, and I needed the benefits only to cover my medical bills, and guess what! The state did not cover it! Even homeless, because I was not officially separated from my soon to be X, they said I didn't need help.
Dont tell me about your ideals! i know how pitiful the system works and I do object.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | It isnt a way to live. Like I said, its supposed to be the minimum. Now, of course, there people who abuse it. But how many are there that need it, through no fault of their own? Especialy in these times, when the unemployment is soaring. Should people that lost their jobs just starve to death? And all just because a moron in a white shirt fucked something up.
And what is interesting the most is that countries where good welfare is combined with good employment oportunity actualy suffer less poverty (now who would have thought?), and all that goes with it (particulary crime).
| | | spapad wrote: | | Welfare is the minimum you can get by on for most people. There are some who abuse the system by becoming baby machines so they never have to work.
A welfare state is stupid. Why do people think that is a way to live. Tenaments of welfare are always overrun with drugs and violence. So you have a roof over your head but your children will end up being junkies and prostitutes. Great idea! Pffft! If I needed a way to live without working when there is something wrong with me then maybe they should just lock me up for being a worthless individual. If your that lazy, that's what you deserve.
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