See HB, thwere's the cost of the pilot, fuel, co-pilot and a couple of ppl to push 'em out of the plain...too much trouble...a little rope and one good push and ta da no more murderer...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, June 07, 2009 9:44:55 PM)| |  | Head banger wrote: | | yep. something could be learned from Iraq. I forget who said it, but the idea "give them flying lessons, take them up in a plane, toss them out without a parachute, and if they learn to fly on the way down, good for them!
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Capital Punishment in the States is a joke...Texas by far is the leader in executions each year...as comedian Ron White explains "Texas put in a speed lane for executions...if two or more see the murder happen and there is absolutely no doubt...")...they go straight to the front of the line...or something to that effect...otherwise they sit on death row for 15-20 years on our dime...wtf is that??? Hell, throw 'em off a cliff for all I care...especially convicted gangbangers who use fear and then murder...let 'em live a little as they're falling to their death's!!!
| | | Head banger wrote: | | I agree. the death penalty is highly underused. of course here its non existant.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | My 2 cents...Killing another Human Being under any circumstance other than in defense (of Country, self, of another person...)...basically cold blooded murder (pre-meditated or not) is the worst act one can perform against another and should be met with the same fate. There is no rehabilitating an individual who has freely done it at least once already. They may choose to not do it again and be a model citizen for the reat of their life, if given the chance...but as far as I'm concerened when it comes to human life, you only get one chance...no mulligans in my book...and it should come within 30 days of conviction, period!!
| | | ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: | | That I can agree on to re-pre-pare people for Society, when they are fit to be re-released in it... I know you have people in jail for stupid pety things... stealing, ect.. drugs are a huge problem, esp Crack,, but if those people can prove and be rehabilitated to be able to be productive in Society then I agee,,,
But some of them.... OMG.. It scares the hell out of me to think this Vince Lee guy could be released in as little as a year,, WTF??????
Violent repeat offenders, I have a small prob with.. LOL.... They are usually building themselves up to do a much bigger crime such as assault, ect... if they are showm a bigger way to reform themselves and really try too,, them they may be helped. But most of the people who commit the most hidious of the crimes, have been in and out of the jail system most of their lives...
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Absolutely. The decapitation freak and Fritzl are two exapmles of people who, in my opinion, should stay behind bars for life. Working or not, just stay there.
I remember seeing a very interesting TV report from Iceland (I think it was Iceland), where they have a prison where they actualy let inmates out to go to work, and see their families. Of course, if they behave, and its only for the light cases, but it was said that it works surprisingly well. And they ahve to pay for their "stay" in the prison themselves.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Exactly, make them feel usefull, make them used to working, and lessen their cost to society. They are not slaves, they are paying their debt. Work keeps them in condition to work, keeps the idea in their head, busy hands dont have as much time to get into trouble so less crime in prison. in this manner some sentances could be reduced, for minor things, and some basic skills can be learned. in time, the cost of law enforcement to society can be reduced, lowering taxes, benefiting the economy for all, so there is less poverty, which helps reduce crime. win win.
sure there are the ocasional ones who are too dangerous to let out anywhere for any reason, but at least 80% of prisoners are capable of working under supervision.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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