HELLO RON....I WAS JUST BEING OFF-THE-WALL LIKE USUAL  .....OH I AGREE,VICTIMS AND FAMILIES OF VICTIMS DON'T SEEM TO RECEIVE JUSTICE TOO OFTEN ANYMORE,IT'S NOT THE MONEY ISSUES THAT BOTHER ME-I KNOW SOME PEOPLE ARE HUNG UP ON MONEY THIS,AND MONEY THAT  -IT'S MORE OF A WHAT'S RIGHT ISSUE WITH ME,AS I'M SURE IT IS WITH YOU AND MOST,WE'VE ALL WITNESSED ON TV EXTREMELY VIOLENT CRIMES COMMITED,AND THEN THE OBLIGATORY LONG DRAWN OUT TRIALS,TO WHICH THE END RESULT IS TO SAY THE LEAST CRIMINAL IN ITSELF....I'M SORRY,BUT IF I WAS IN CHARGE,AND THE CRIME IS CUT AND DRY GUILTY,YOU'RE FERTILIZER BUDDY!...DONE,FINISHED,YOUR TIME HAS COME TO AN END....IN MY MIND SEVERE PUNISHMENTS ARE THE WAY,AND ONLY WAY TO HELP DETER THESE VILE PIECES OF HUMAN FILTH FROM THIS HEINOUS BEHAVIOUR.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:18:48 PM)| |  | ronhartsell wrote: | | Hi Soy...my argument is strictly based on doing to them what they did to others vs. having to spend tax payer money supporting them 'til they die a natural death...I'm all for the Island you envision so long as they are on their own, can't get off and we send no support...if they can plant gardens and be self-sustaining, I'd go for that, if given the choice...but until that option comes along, I'd have to regress to my previous post...
| | | Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote: | | HOW ABOUT FOR THE FOLKS WHO DON'T SUPPORT EXECUTION,YOU SENTENCE THE MURDERERS,SERIAL KILLERS AND SUCH TO EXILE ON AN ISLAND,SIMILAR TO THE 'ESCAPE FROM NY' THINGY...YOU PUT 'EM IN THERE WITH THE SMOKERS,AND VOILA!....PROBLEM SOLVED,PLUS THEY GIVE SOMETHING BACK TO SOCIETY...
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | My 2 cents...Killing another Human Being under any circumstance other than in defense (of Country, self, of another person...)...basically cold blooded murder (pre-meditated or not) is the worst act one can perform against another and should be met with the same fate. There is no rehabilitating an individual who has freely done it at least once already. They may choose to not do it again and be a model citizen for the reat of their life, if given the chance...but as far as I'm concerened when it comes to human life, you only get one chance...no mulligans in my book...and it should come within 30 days of conviction, period!!
| | | ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote: | | That I can agree on to re-pre-pare people for Society, when they are fit to be re-released in it... I know you have people in jail for stupid pety things... stealing, ect.. drugs are a huge problem, esp Crack,, but if those people can prove and be rehabilitated to be able to be productive in Society then I agee,,,
But some of them.... OMG.. It scares the hell out of me to think this Vince Lee guy could be released in as little as a year,, WTF??????
Violent repeat offenders, I have a small prob with.. LOL.... They are usually building themselves up to do a much bigger crime such as assault, ect... if they are showm a bigger way to reform themselves and really try too,, them they may be helped. But most of the people who commit the most hidious of the crimes, have been in and out of the jail system most of their lives...
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Absolutely. The decapitation freak and Fritzl are two exapmles of people who, in my opinion, should stay behind bars for life. Working or not, just stay there.
I remember seeing a very interesting TV report from Iceland (I think it was Iceland), where they have a prison where they actualy let inmates out to go to work, and see their families. Of course, if they behave, and its only for the light cases, but it was said that it works surprisingly well. And they ahve to pay for their "stay" in the prison themselves.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Exactly, make them feel usefull, make them used to working, and lessen their cost to society. They are not slaves, they are paying their debt. Work keeps them in condition to work, keeps the idea in their head, busy hands dont have as much time to get into trouble so less crime in prison. in this manner some sentances could be reduced, for minor things, and some basic skills can be learned. in time, the cost of law enforcement to society can be reduced, lowering taxes, benefiting the economy for all, so there is less poverty, which helps reduce crime. win win.
sure there are the ocasional ones who are too dangerous to let out anywhere for any reason, but at least 80% of prisoners are capable of working under supervision.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein
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