I will add that it's sometimes hard to understand anothers' opinion when I can't understand how they came to it. A lot of times ppl express an opinion that has no foundation or basis of fact, or even an experience with which to compare it to. Let's say I don't agree with Strat on Western global policy, how am I to understand (or respect) his point of view if I've never had to walk in his shoes? So, he would need to explain to me how he came to that point of view, what facts support or relate to me something he went through himself. It happens way too often that opinions are given when the one who gives it can't substantiate it...if they even know what they're talking about. That above all else really gets to me and I admit...get's extremely frustrating...especially if I can substantiate mine. That was just example Strat, nothing more!! 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:28:01 AM)| |  | _strat_ wrote: | | Good to see you back.
Well, Id say that its because we all have our opinions that we value a lot... And especialy in this thread those opinions touch things like patriotism, religion, ethnic backgrounds etc. Which are usualy very personal, and its easy to get into a situation where someones opinion insults someone else.
I dont know... I usualy try not to be insulting, especialy towards regular members, although I guess I have slipped from time to time. Anyway, if I have an opinion on something I will say it, and I have been attacked for it before. Anthing from my critic of religion, opposing ethnic and national pride, opposing the Western global policy... And I guess some of my responses could be considered attacks as well. IDK. I think that above all we should keep in mind that just because someone says something we dont like, its not because that person wants to attack us or hurt us, but because that person really does think that way.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | Time for a rant.
Why can’t people in today environment have a civilized discussion? Not just on the boards here, but in general. So many things we discuss these days create anger and harsh words. What does that accomplish? Any issue that has any importance soon results in people calling names, yelling, and not understanding. Try discussing abortion, global warming, taxes, health care, global trade, evolution, etc. People have a hard and fast opinion and they stick to it. They seek to convince the other side that they are wrong. Do they get anywhere? Hell no. The motto “Seek first to understand then to be understood” seems lost these days. Never let facts get in the way of what you know.
While I am ranting, when did people start confusing a scientific theory with fact? A fact is something that is proven, with no doubt. A theory may be widely accepted, debated or whatever, but it’s not a fact. Global warming, evolution, relativity are all theory’s that will most likely never be proven. Then you here people using computer models or forecasts to prove something. A computer model is a forecast. It is only proof that someone can write a program. The other day the weather forecast before I left for work was 0%, yet on the way to work it was raining. Think about it, that’s a 2 hour time gap, and the forecast was wrong. That forecast uses computer models, forecasters with years of experience, yet is wrong. No model or forecast is proof of anything.
Ok, rant over. Be respectful, not close-minded, remember the difference between fact and theory, and for Pete's sake a forecast is not proof. Now… Everyone go back to arguing or sleeping, whichever. |
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